 And some, you know, garlic knots, it was great. Oh my God. I get to pick a piccata. If there's one thing that I feel does not have the kind of representation that I would like to have it in my life, is Italian food out here. Oh, really? Yeah. There's just not a ton of just great like pasta, Italian pasta base kind of thing. Yeah. Oh, because the place that we used to always go to is gone. There was it was right by Gold's gym. It was a great Italian place and they've been replaced. I think you and I are Brett, a brunch there. In the place that's that replaced it. It's kind of right by the what used to be the casket shop. I don't know. None of that stuff's there anymore. Yeah, Jesus, man. Yeah, no, there's just not a ton of it. And there's a there's a few Italian places and a lot of them suck. But that's, you know, part for the course. But like the food out here in general, just like you can you can throw a rock and hit amazing stuff. But I've yet to just find like an Italian place that knocked my butt off. Hmm. Well, are you talking about your immediate area around Lake Merritt? Or are you talking about? Lococos, go to Lococos on Piedmont. Lococos. Yeah. Lococos is amazing. What's funny is that there is a Lococos in San Rafael. And we got really excited when we moved to San Rafael. So we thought, oh, my God, there's a Lococos. And it's like a pizza shop named Lococos, not the same as Lococos restaurant in Piedmont. But Lococos in Piedmont is amazing. Would you try the South San Francisco? Too far. Would I drive? Sure. I mean, I don't know. It depends. Go to Bertolucci's. It's like Old Style, New Jersey, Italian restaurant. Right of the airport on the right hand side. It's really good. I've never been there. It seems like a place that would be fun, though. It is. And I took Tom there with with my family. And it's it's like the weirdest thing. It's like, how did I end up in the East Coast? Because it has like the the columns, like they just stick columns there. And there's like a Greco-Roman statue of a Bacchus, you know, the God of Wine. And it's just ridiculous. Like anything you can imagine at a good fell is it's in there. Oh, I love it already. And if you're on your way from the airport, right there with your daughter once. I mean, you were there, too. And Jen, yeah, my wife and my wife. Good to know. So everybody getting used to standing, I guess. Yes, Tom, I'm feeling better because I had to switch out my thing yesterday. And it's like, oh, if I stood, all you'd get is my double chin and my ample gut. Oh, stop. So I feel like neither of those things are even true. I just saw you, Roger. You're fine. Roger has the second most bodied dysmorphia of all my friends. Justin, who's the first? Oh, God, no, Brian Brushwood is just the grand champion. He operates on a on an international level when it comes to the Olympic champion. Oh, my God, no, he is recording. Just remember. Oh, no, no, I did back. OK. Yeah, there have been whole episodes about this. All right, you guys ready? I'm ready. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners, not outside organizations. If you get value from the show, consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way commercial free. Find out more at Daily Tech News show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 12th, 2017 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline at Venice Beach. I'm Sarah Lane. And yeah, I'm really from Oakland, though. It's Justin Robert Young. And with us as well as our producer, Roger Chang in beautiful downtown Burbank. Close. You're close to Burbank. It's yeah, I'm next to Burbank adjacent. Burbank adjacent is actually very cute. I will I will say that for sure. Yeah, I agree. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Bitcoin passed $5,000 US per coin Thursday, rising as much as 8% to its new record high. Rumors about Goldman Sachs may be starting with Bitcoin. China easing on their restrictions. Catalonia problems are among the things believed to be causing the surge. Hyperloop One, which already has a test track in Nevada, announced it's changing its name to Virgin Hyperloop One after a significant investment from Richard Branson's Virgin Group. Facebook suspended the account of rapper Lil B for 30 days. A spokesman for the social network said the based gods posts violated guidelines on hate speech. Lil B, who has lectured at MIT about acceptance and tolerance, said he was trying to start a frank dialogue about systemic racism but accepts the ban and looks forward to working with Facebook. Going forward, it seems as if Mark Zuckerberg has escaped the base gods curse for now, for now. You know, Scott Johnson had a similar thing happen on Twitch. So I feel like those two are about in the same boat there. Just an accident. Twitter temporarily suspended the account of actress Rose McGowan originally for 12 hours for violating Twitter rules in an unusual move. Twitter posted an explanation on the Twitter safety account saying that McGowan's account was temporarily locked because one of her tweets included a private phone number. Post was removed and her account was unlocked. CEO Jack Dorsey also posted that Twitter needs to be a lot more transparent in our actions in order to build trust. Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, considering that there are a lot of bands that happen and people who I know in the industry who are very tech savvy are like, we don't get it. This doesn't, you know, well, like, how does this violate the TOS? I think there are just a lot of questions still about, you know, what tweet stays and what tweet goes. Not to mention the fact that Twitter constantly seems to be in confusion of what the right hand is doing when the left hand is trying to react to a bunch of people yelling at it. And there there doesn't seem to be. I mean, the fact that this was not an immediate, yeah, she was banned for 12 hours because there was this thing that that like they allowed this to mushroom out of control, which considering where we are now with the kind of subject matter that she's talking about and by she's talking about, I mean, as we are talking about this, she is lighting more people in Hollywood on fire for being neglectful of sexual assault in the industry. We are at a very fever pitch and this is kind of another Twitter example of, you know, how many times we got to hear them say, yeah, we got to get better. We got to get better. The only thing that they're getting better at is being good at saying they're going to get better. Well, I understand the policy to say we're not going to explain every ban, right? We'll spend all our time explaining bans and not actually policing things. I also understand the privacy and security aspect of that. Maybe somebody complained and they're like, please don't let the public know that I'm the one who pointed this out. And so you have to have a policy and the policy was very restrictive. In this case, though, it looked as if Twitter was doing something nefarious and stopping from someone from talking about sexual harassment. And so Twitter said, well, it's in our own best interest to explain this. So we'll break our own rule this time. It just goes to show that there is a climate of assuming people are guilty of things without any evidence, and it causes a lot of these policies to suffer because of that. I also think just before we move on, Twitter is really good at, you know, if a tweak is a lot of attention, then they are pretty swift to action. But anybody who spends a lot of time on Twitter knows that there are fake accounts and accounts that are, you know, bullying and, you know, really offensive. And if Twitter worked really well, then Rose McGowan getting banned for something that lots of other people do all the time would be like par for course. But it doesn't really work that way. It seems to be a pretty flawed system as far as universal bans for the same kind of inappropriate behavior. Yeah, like a single complaint that's valid will often get overlooked because it's a single complaint. A crowd of complaints that are not valid will often get acted on because of the numbers. And that is just one of the things. Yeah, ultimately, you just want rule of law. What are the rules? Why did it let me know when I violated it and which ball I violated? And I think that clarity on these kinds of issues, even if they're automatic, even if they're basic, you know, I think can go a long way and they didn't get this. And instead they got this controversy on their hands, which is unfortunate, but you can't say that, you know, that they didn't make their own bed. Well, speaking of controversy, going back to Facebook for a minute, Facebook CEO Sheryl Sandberg told Axios that details about ads bought in Russia by fake accounts during the US election will be released publicly once the investigation is concluded. Sandberg also said that the issue was that the ads being run by fake accounts and that Facebook has no interest in vetting information or curbing free speech of real people. Yeah, I think this is a point that gets overlooked a lot in this, which is it's not that someone ran an ad saying nasty things about presidential candidates. It's that they were run without attribution. We didn't know who was running them. They were fake accounts. Facebook's like, we're fine with you slagging off on people in an election. That's how elections are fought. But we need to be able to point to who it was that paid for it. So we know who's behind the message. And if a real person, a verified person posts, that's fine. And I think there's a lot of confusion about that. It wasn't that people were posting things that were, you know, on the edge of truth or beyond. It was that's OK. That's that's part of having free speeches to get to say things that aren't true. And and and that's not the issue. The issue was somebody trying to hide who it was that was saying. Well, and and yeah, the fact that like, hey, if we are leaning on algorithms to deliver the right kind of news to the right kind of people it needs to go both ways, right? If if, you know, some fake news organization wants to target something to me in order to manipulate me, fine, but I need to have better information of when that's happening. Oh, who's sending it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and what I do want to hopefully continue to applaud Facebook if they go through with this is their commitment to release the ads that were out there and what they looked like and what the fake accounts look like. And so we can have a big, gigantic flashing red light of this is something that happens. And this is what it looked like. There's. I think a very curious drip, drip, drip of these kinds of of this story in particular, where I wonder if the kind of ads that were put up tell us more about how Facebook can target us than it necessarily does about what they did or who they manipulated because. And honestly, I'm still I'm still skeptical that these had as much of an impact as people say they did. I do believe they had an impact. I'd like to know what that impact is. But what's more nefarious is people hiding who they are and targeting folks. And I think you're actually right, Justin. The other the other half of realizing who was paying for this is realizing what part of the tool they were using and how they were using it. Microsoft and Amazon have announced a new open source deep learning interface called glue on that brings together training algorithms and neural network models. It is designed for developers to build and run machine machining learning models for apps without needing to be an A.I. specialist. It's A.I. for dummies, folks. Well, not exactly dummies, I guess. But yeah, it's it's I don't know all that much about A.I. But I'm a really good app maker and I know how to, you know, call data out of the cloud. Help me out here. And then this says, great, we'll put the neural network model in the cloud. You upload the data and in fact, we'll make it easy to share data so that you don't even have to find all the data yourself. If somebody's doing a similar thing, you can train off their data as well. And it is really an interesting thing as as everything else gets more siloed, right? As we put things into app stores and and degrade the open web, open source is alive and thriving in the A.I. community. Because all these huge companies realize that the challenge of deep learning and A.I. training are bigger than even they can handle and they want to share as much data with each other as possible because it's in all their best interests. Well, and also, what are the biggest ways that Amazon and Microsoft make money these days? Cloud, baby, cloud. Yeah, if you are having an A.I. pulling data constantly, you're going to need a bunch of data in the cloud to make it happen. I want to know who is sitting on the domain gluon all this time. Physicist, some kind of physicist. Yeah, it's not a great name. It kind of sounds like gluon. It was like, oh, there's going to be a bunch of research in quarks and they're going to need gluon. Disney has launched an expanded version of its Disney movies anywhere service called movies anywhere because it's not just about Disney anymore. Service allows users to access movies purchased from Amazon, Google, Apple or Voodoo all in one place. That part isn't new. You could do that with Disney movies under Disney movies anywhere. What is new is that Disney movies anywhere now includes Sony, 20th Century Fox, Universal and Warner Brothers, hence the name to just movies anywhere. Discussions are ongoing with Paramount and Lionsgate, but those studios aren't in at launch. Movies anywhere is available on Android, Android TV, Amazon Fire, iOS, Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast and of course the web. I signed up for this, had a problem with Voodoo but apparently Voodoo had a problem at launch then they resolved it. So I'm finally connected with all of my services. Not every movie is showing up in every place but anybody who used Disney movies anywhere knows just how amazing the service can be just with Disney movies where I would buy my things on Voodoo because Voodoo was the only place where they were members of Ultraviolet and Disney movies anywhere and then anything that I bought from Disney on Voodoo would show up in iTunes. It would show up in Google Play movies. It would show up on Amazon and now that's gonna be true not just of Disney movies but of all these other studios as well. I've got a huge collection now. Do you think that they went with movies anywhere and dropped the Disney name because they're trying to appeal to a adult audience that might still think of Disney movies as movies for children? I doubt it. I kind of think it's just because you've got 20th Century Fox in there and if you're gonna get 20th Century Fox and Sony on board they're gonna be like, yeah, you don't get free branding out of this, come on. But you guys gotta try this because all of a sudden if you've got a couple of movies in Amazon, couple of movies over on iTunes, maybe one in Google Play because you got a Nexus device at some point and you got a free version of Transformers, it just puts them all together in one place. In fact, I'm just gonna share with you the, this is my catalog now. I've got Jason Bourne, Big Hero 6, Lego Movie and Ice Age, free today. Ghostbusters answer the call, given to me free for signing up. Then the Martian that I bought on Apple TV, couple copies of Harry Potter. All in the interface. Yeah, this is all at moviesanywhere.com. This is all my movies from all my sources, all in one place. Looks pretty nice. Yeah. Love, actually. That sneak in there. Yeah. Well, it's Eileen's movies too. It's not just mine, but I am a fan of Love, actually, to be honest. And you should have no shame. Love, actually, and Die Hard are our favorite Christmas movies. That's, you really run the spectrum on those two. Good work. Good work. Equifax's websites, they just can't get a break. Once again, compromised Wednesday for several hours, delivering fake Adobe Flash updates as if regular ones are any better. But they were fake, which installed something called AdWare Aerenzo on Victim's computer. So the AdWare may have been injected through third-party ad serving. Equifax has removed the offending page in the credit report assistance section, and the company says it's looking into the matter. Tom, Tom, apologize. It's like, what do you, what, what, at this point, I mean. No, this is a bridge too far even for me. At this point, Equifax just needs to fold up and go home. Come on. You allow a third-party ad to integrate. This was in a section where if you didn't qualify for your free credit report anymore and you wanted to dispute something, but you needed to look at your credit report, you could still apply for a credit report. So it was buried in a little corner, but then it would infect you with AdWare. I mean, that's, no, that's not okay. At this point, you need to have this stuff locked down. You don't get any more passes. No, this is absolutely a violation of trust, and it is a systemic rotting system that continues to allow this to happen when they know that they have these eyes on them and they know that this has been the problem and they have already shot themselves in the foot so many times that it looks like Swiss cheese. The fact that they can have anything like this happen is absolutely insane. And granted, I know this isn't as dangerous as the earlier breach of millions of accounts, but you've spent too many cards and you've gotten rid of people and this still happens. Maybe that's the explanation. We've gotten rid of so many people, things are in disarray at that point. You just need to shut things down. You don't serve ads anymore for a while. You cut out anything that is a vector for an infection. This isn't just embarrassing. Hey, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines. You can get it as a podcast on the Amazon Echo in the Anchor App and through the Anchor App on Google Home. And that is a look at our top stories. All right, yesterday we mentioned Pierre Omidyar, probably most famous as founder of eBay, but he's also the founder of First Look Media, which operates the Intercept, put up a opinion piece on the Washington Post, which kind of found amusing personally because the Washington Post was behind a paywall. So I had to pay to get his opinion about the threat to democracy, which, you know, free and open press. Don't you have Amazon Prime? Amazon Prime people get Washington Post for free. Yeah, I do have Amazon Prime, but it's through my wife. So I don't get it for free. I have to log in as Eileen if I wanna get it. Sorry to bring up a sore subject. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Amazon Prime family membership for Washington Post, thanks. Anyway, that's not the point. The point was he was talking about a white paper that the Omidyar group has put out called Is Social Media a Threat to Democracy? It's not an academic paper. It's a white paper. So it's not peer reviewed, but it is well cited going through five to six things, actually, that they say are things to consider when you're talking about social media's effect on democracy. So shall we go through these points briefly? Sure. Number one, echo chambers, polarization, and hyper partisanship. This is essentially just saying you listen to the things that sound good to you. The spread of false or misleading information, fake news. Conflation of popularity with legitimacy. You see things a bunch of times, you see a lot of likes on it, and you think, oh, well, that must be a really reliable thing. Political manipulation, manipulation, micro-targeting, and behavior change, and intolerance, exclusion, and hate speech. Those are among the other points here, Justin. What did you think of this? Well, to your first point about echo chambers, I don't know what you're talking about. None of my friends know what you're talking about, and you're absolutely wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. So there's obviously a lot of conversation about exactly how good or bad social networks are. I think that this is a very interesting white paper that does point out a lot of things that very obviously are happening. The question then is, can you make the leap to threat to democracy? And where on the level of dangerous toy that we don't know how to wield versus social media is a mirror that both shows us who we are when given anonymity and or a democratizes power. And so now the power that was once only wielded by gatekeepers can be wielded by so many more. I just, I don't quite see where this makes that leap to threat to democracy. Sarah, what do you feel about this? You know, when you look through all of these notes, it's like, excuse me, conflation of popularity with legitimacy, you say, yeah, that's bad. Political manipulation, okay, nobody wants to be manipulated. We all for the most part feel like we have a pretty good sense of what our beliefs are. But number five is kind of where I hang on a little bit. And that is the idea that you're being manipulated in a way that you don't even realize. And that's where I do think democracy is threatened because I'm not talking about like, oh, people don't read, they're stupid. Like that's not it at all. I think that it is, there have been a lot of tactics used, let's say over the last couple of years that truly confuse people. And this is not somebody who hasn't done their research. It's a new form of manipulation that I don't think a lot of people were caught up with. And the fact that it may or may not be influencing very important election results is something that these folks at the research center are like, we need to take this really seriously because if we don't get a handle on it, it's gonna happen again. And the midterms are right around the corner. I like what Pierre Omidyar is doing at First Look Media. I think it's important as another approach to journalism. And that doesn't mean I always agree with everything that they say at the intercept, but I think it's an important thing to do. And so when I saw this, I thought, oh, good, a very rational approach to say, let's look at the threats, let's look at what's happening and let's see what we can do. What I'm disappointed with is this is a very well-sighted collection of things people think are happening or things that we know are happening, but it doesn't have anything about causes or effects. It doesn't say, and therefore because, all this fake news proliferated on Facebook, people's opinions were swayed in such and such direction or people voted in a different way than they would have otherwise. And I'm still looking for that. This feels very much like looking for facts to fit a conclusion. I didn't like who won the presidency so I don't believe it could have legitimately happened. So let me find things that could explain it. That's not good science. What's good science is saying, okay, we know all of these things happened, there was fake news, there are echo chambers, there's polarization, what's causing it and what effect did it have? And I don't see any studies about that. All of the studies listened said, we determined that fake news was spread. We determined that people created echo chambers, but there's just no cause and effect here. And to me, this is no different than studies that have been done on agenda setting where they say, hey, the big broadcast networks and the big newspapers determine what kind of stories people consider important when going to vote. This is no different than that. You're saying, well, guess what? In the new world, it's not broadcast networks and newspapers so much anymore, it's social networks. But that doesn't change the fact that there's agenda setting going on. That's not new. Absolutely, and that's where number three, conflation with popularity with legitimacy. This has been the story of media since the beginning of media. Why do we pay attention to the newspaper? We don't think of it as popular, but we understand it to be legitimate. But yet, if it did not sell and therefore was not in front of us and its circulation died or it did not have the kind of report on the kind of things that people went and bought and got subscriptions for, then it would not exist. It needs to exist on some plane of popularity, which we then give legitimacy. These are elements that have always existed. The difference now is that you can be popular and you can be therefore legitimate on a much smaller scale for a much smaller budget and theoretically in our platonic ideal of it with the most meritorious argument that you are, that will be out of obscurity. Somebody can write a hilarious article about how you should treat your female coworkers like the rock and now all of a sudden it's everywhere because it was well written and it's interesting. And now the rock himself is retweeting it and it's a cool thing that we all think is rad. Yeah, I think it would be naive to assume that there's no effect of echo chambers, misleading information, political manipulation, micro-targeting, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is a lot of people are jumping from these things exist to therefore they caused all of these effects. They may have caused other effects and it's important to find out what those effects are. They may have not caused some effects as strongly as others and that's important if you wanna have a good result to say, oh, these were actually surprisingly the biggest effects of micro-targeting. We thought it might have been this other thing. If you don't look at that, you don't know and people are so hungry for an explanation of things that again, they're having the facts fit their conclusion rather than drawing conclusions based on the facts. Yeah, the one last thing I would say is I think a lot of the most insidious elements that are pointed out in this white paper are elements that have been around for a while and are mutating based on new tools and we should absolutely 100% be keeping an eye on them and we should 100% be trying to diagnose how it affects who we are. But what I do blanch at is the idea that this is new because it isn't. Let's actually take it responsibly and say, let's figure out what the differences are because yes, this is different, but it's not new. It's just, you know, it's the difference between television news' effect and newspapers' effect. Now we have social media's effect. And I think we get that. All the notes were laid out, well thought out, make sense. I think a lot of people would say, oh yes, these are real problems, but what's the end goal? I mean, how do you want user behavior to change and how does that happen sometimes in competition with the way that the social network itself is trying to make money? And that's, you know, it's easy to read all of this and say, hmm, very messed up system. But okay, so what are like the action items so that everyone changes their behavior because that's what, you know, the whole result of all of this is, is the way that humans are interacting with a lot of this AI in many cases. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit where these sorts of things get discussed. You can submit stories of vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. There's also a Facebook group if you wanna discuss this sort of thing. And there's tons of great pictures in there from our recent meetup in London. So go check that out at facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. Let's move on to our messages of the day, Sarah. Let's do it. Okay, this is in response to a conversation that everybody had on Monday. As someone who works in the solar industry and focused on solar micro grids, we just get into Monday show. I wanted to send a couple of links in response to the discussion about other efforts beyond the press releases from Elon Musk and Son and Energy. A great podcast for issues about the energy industry is called Energy Gang from Green Tech Media. And they had a very brief discussion at the very beginning of their podcast responding to what's happening in Puerto Rico and the problems that the island is facing, especially in just providing for immediate needs due to the lack of diesel fuel and not having basic power. Goes on to explain more that happens in the podcast, but he says, lastly, a personal friend and a longtime solar engineer in the industry and their organization get charged up is raising money to provide tour, solar trails, trailers rather to power tour pop up hospitals to be deployed in the mountainous and remote regions of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico obviously needs a lot of help right now. So this is really cool. They're trying to get the material supplied from a local PV supplier who already has much of the equipment already in Puerto Rico and Joe is his name has linked us to some more information and we'll be sure to put that in our show notes. Yeah, very cool. Nice to get some inside info from somebody in the industry and to understand that, hey, yeah, Sonan and definitely Tesla would like you to think about them and their name in regards to this issue, but that doesn't mean people aren't already doing this on the ground. So very cool, Joe. And we'll have those links in the show notes as well. Thank you, Justin, Robert Young, as always for joining us. What you got going on? Well, Tom, I'm so glad you asked. You can go ahead and check out all my political hot takes. Well, you know, it's funny, I was talking to somebody about this show about politics, politics, politics, my political show and they were like, why do you always say that it's your political show because really, and this is true, I want to do it for people who hate politics because there's a lot of politics that I don't like or I like to make fun of and a lot of the more ridiculous elements of it that I do like to highlight. 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Not that there's anything wrong with that, but. Nope. They're just. And no audio issues. We got them all hammered up before the show. Sorry, I got to sit down. All right, titles. We have Twitter's characters limited. Talk to the left hand. Blue on rise of the cloud machines. Movies anywhere except Canada. Well, I die hard is not just for Christmas. This ultraviolet Disney movies anywhere and movies anywhere are US crows agree with you. They're cack, cack, cackling outside. M.S. glue on to quantum computing. Equa haxed again. You're so wrong. On, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on. Oh dear. A Twitter by any other name. Die hard is not just for Christmas. Yeah. True, but it really should be. It is a Christmas movie. It's not a. It's best viewed. It's not a movie about Christmas, but it's so ingrained as a movie during Christmas time. One of my favorite Christmas memories is after first moving into this house in LA before this monstrosity of a house was built across the road from me from my kitchen window. I could see the Nakatomi building and I remember putting on die hard, watching it and then getting up and going and getting a glass of water in the kitchen and looking out and going, wow, look at that. That's the real Nakatomi building right out there. Can't do that anymore because the house blocks my view. No, those bees. Those McMansions. It's not even. It's not even a pretty house. It's just big. I just walk up to them and say, hey, you ugly house. What are you doing? Hey, I want to put this webcam on the other side of your house and feed it to a screen in front of my kitchen window so I can pretend I still have this view. So that's the view from me. You ugly old bag of bones of wood. Just kidding. So what would you like to go with? Glue-on rise of the cloud machines. Die hard is not just for Christmas. Twitter's character is limited. I have no idea. Maybe we save die hard for actual Christmas time. Sure, that sounds fair. Just to, you know, just narrow it down a little bit. Twitter's character is limited then? What was the first one? Glue-on rise of the cloud machines. Yeah, that one's hard to parse. It's like, what? What are you saying? What word is that? Also, we didn't talk about that story for that long. No, we didn't really. I agree with the echoes. Oh, echo, echo, echo, echo. Well, there was another thing. I kind of like characters limited, but I mean, that's kind of an every other day headline. Equifax, double-dead pack. How about, thank God, we're a republic. Where's that? I just made it up. That was, yeah, the conclusion we all came to is like, well, you know what? Thank God, we're a republic. There's no threat to democracy here. Yeah, it's fine. I still don't understand that. I don't even know how that got started. What? I don't. Oh, it's like a thing. No, we're not a democracy. We're a republic. It's like, wait a minute. We're not mutually exclusive terms. No, I was making a flippant joke, so let's not turn it into something more difficult to get out. Gets away from us easily, guys. It does, it does, my own fault. It really does. I really don't know. Roger, what do you want to call it? You have to be carefully fraught. I didn't see that one. You have to be carefully fraught. Took too long, Justin. What should we call it? I like, you're wrong, on, on, on. Okay, yeah, because it gets across the echo. The echo chamber? Yeah. Done. Done. Branded into a side of steak. Steak siden. Steak Poseidon. Two-name for surf and turf. At, at Lococo's. Go to Lococo's, man. Get the, the, no key. I can't go to Lococo's, Tom. Here's why. Why? Because I'm getting better from this back thing. And so now I have to stop. I have to slowly wean myself off the things that I was allowing myself do because I was hurt and sad. Yeah. And one of those things was just getting not fat, but fat her, then I was gaining a little weight, not only for, you know, my own self-esteem, but also just because as I was reading about back recovery, one of the things that can exacerbate recovery from a back injury is just weight gain while you were less mobile. So I need to calorie count now and that's what I'm doing. And I literally, from me being on the stream with you on Twitch, I spent the rest of the time grilling, not grilling, sauteing chicken breasts with simple oil and salt and pepper. What kind of oil? Olive oil? Olive oil, yeah, which is like the only like major calorie part of it. But I'm all my calories on my fitness pal. It's a real piece of shit life, I believe. You know what? If you add a little bit of marsala wine to the chicken and you cut them up so they're not just, I mean, are they butterfly breasts? But we just cut them and they'll cook faster. You add mushrooms, you add a little spinach. Hey guys. Yeah. I am going to a little birthday lunch for myself. Oh yeah. If it's okay with you, I'm going to let you talk about marsala chicken amongst yourselves. It's your birthday. It is. The fact that you even did the show is ridiculous, so yeah. You know, honestly, you know, there are the people who like, really like their birthday and then there's me. I prefer to just have a normal day. It actually makes me feel better because then I like, I don't know, it's like weird attention that I don't know how to deal with. But I am going to do that over on Abbott Kinney, so. Oh sweet. Once in the neighborhood, give me a high five. Otherwise, see you guys tomorrow. All right. Have a good luncheon. Bye. Thank you. Bye, Justin. Bye, Raj. Bye. I have, I stopped caring about my birthday after 40. It's okay. I don't need to be reminded. Six more. Six more that I care about. I did not have a big deal about turning 40. I still don't. That wall will catch up with you, Tom. Maybe. I've always remembered my age as a year older than I am. So then when I actually have my birthday, I go, oh, I'm actually not as old as I thought I was. You know, I think part of it is, especially at revision three, there's so many interns that they're like, oh yeah, you know, I was born. Like, we were talking about back to the future. One of the interns, not the interns, one of the edit guys came in and said, oh yeah, it's a classic movie. I remember that movie came out like right before I was born. That's like, oh, right before you were born. It's like that. That's just gonna keep happening. Pretty soon somebody's gonna come out and like, oh yeah, Blade Runner 2049. That came out right before I was born. Ah. Right. Especially six young successful people. I was like, ah, but yeah, I'm not angry. Well, I'll tell you what. Yeah. I'm kind of afraid, but trepidatious to venture outside my house because apparently the air quality is. It's pretty bad. Yeah. Like is it all over the Bay Area? Like you can just smell it. I could smell it. I woke up this morning. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was bad. I guess the wind is just blowing it straight down south. Ashley's panicked about our sweet little birds. Oh, what happens? Are they gonna panic or something or you just can't open the air quality? No, they seem fine, but they have little, tiny lungs. And so they're more. So. Well, you can get like, you can like score like a relatively inexpensive air purifier, you know. That was what all of my communication with her this morning was. Unfortunately, we are that couple that realizes that they need an air conditioner right on the hottest day of summer. Yeah, yeah. Locally, they are they are sold out and we ordered one from Amazon, but it's not going to be here until next week. So we will see. Last year are they were doing work on the house and the heat went out and they weren't going to be able to fix it to the next day. And it happened to be a night that it was in the 40s in LA, which, you know, we're going to freeze to death or anything, but it wasn't going to be comfortable. So we hop on over to Home Depot, gone, all of them gone. No heaters for some. Yeah, it's that exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I have two in the garage or you just buy just like a straight up air purifier, which is just a fan with a filter in front or behind it. All right, folks, I am out. I love you, though. Well, yes. Hope you figure out your your situation and want to know what, Tom, I'm a survivor of nothing else. I'm going to I'm going to persevere. Yeah, I know you will. I know you will. And I hope you figure out the birds. Maybe just get some filter, you know, like like a heat filter for your for your heater and just wrap it around the cage. I think I think our birds are of a stout character and constitution, and I think they're going to survive. But that does figure it out because my life is panicked. Anyway, all right, thanks, y'all.