 Welcome and welcome on and all to the DL debate. Thanks so much for tuning in now on Highland Radio back via the podcast. Thanks Makilla there for the news round of, of course, the legendary Ivan Borland. We have Joe Dex here producing as ever. Keep me right good man, Joe. Just from the weekend, we have had our first intermediate winners in the ladies football, Kelly Beggs. And they've wore a face off in that tie and they've wore a commode on top 10-7. Nivora now take the trip into Ulster for their intermediate Ulster campaign. That's happening against the Antrim champions on October 14th. We wish them all the best. We had a big weekend of course in action in Dudley Gull here. Championships to be looked over, playoff games, intermediate and senior. And now we're into the quarter-final stage shortly. I'm gonna wrap this up with two men who were the best of stuff on the pitch and now the best off it. It is John Goulday and Brenda Gullcoin. Brennan's here in show. Brennan, how are you lad? I'm very good, Brennan, thank you. We're just getting John on Zoom there. John, how are you sir? Can we hear you loud and clear? I, I hope so. Hi Brennan. Hi Brennan and Brennan and Brennan. I just got your volume up there. John lads, great, great to have you with us. Later on in the show we're gonna hear from Tarone Legend, of course the top man with RTE. Now it is end of the beginning. He's gonna give us a bit of lowdown on the Tarone Championship. The knockout Tarone Championship, the very special one in Ulster. The first weekend of it over and of course we'll have to ask them about the small matter of Mickey Hart, his clubmate and former boss taken over at their friends in Derry. But as I say, it was a huge weekend of action here in the county. Many, many games are on and places up for grabs with a pre-quarter finals and of course we had some relegation playoffs as well. Brennan getting straight into it from the weekend. I'm looking at four masters here, there, they went down to McCulls. Strange score line, Brennan, three, four to 15 points. And we're always, there's a question mark over McCulls, you know, are they taking the next step, are they not? And you don't need to look too far across the man in the match. It just seems like it's going to be an ashen gallon, isn't it? But listen, for there's something coming with four masters, you know, they're definitely building towards something, you know, there are a few decent performances this year, but McCulls also going in the right direction. Yeah, undoubtedly with four masters, like, and I know of myself from involving with the minors over the last few years, there's some fantastic young players coming through. Now, obviously they're not going to be ready for another couple of years, but they aren't building nicely, building a good strong squad, very young throughout the field. They like to conner, read, and sinning, and sinning car. Shane Carr's young, really good footballer, was with the minors over the years. Yeah, good stock. And, you know, so they're definitely coming, but as you mentioned, you know, ashen gallon is on fire, is on fire kind of thing, you know, and I watched him the first day down against Ghidor down there gallon, and he was just unmarkable, like, you know, they just couldn't handle him. And he seems to be going out and doing that week on week. And we get, that's brilliant for Donegal football. That's what we need. We need far out of fit, and it's great to see him get a run at this. But they're a very young side. And again, they've had a lot of minors that have come through over the last few years, like Sakeen Mulligan, Sean Martin, Shane McMenham, you know, you're looking at Conor McGinty, another really good little player kind of thing. So the lovely mixture of them, Jungful is along with Mary Riley, Stephen Riley, Chad McSorley, these type of guys, and of course Joel Bradley. And you know, the twin threat of Joel Bradley and Ashen gallon is going to be a queer match for any defence to stand up to, you know, to have two forwards of that quality. So they're definitely making progress. And you know, they're going to be concerned conceding three goals, putting 15 scores on the board against seven and only coming out by a point is concerning for them kind of thing. So that's something they need to look at, I know. Yeah, it certainly looked like they dominated the game, John. But you know, in many ways, I suppose, McCool's with gallon. And it looks like it's not as if he's kicking over a few frees and a couple of handy scores. You know, he's kicking over, you know, top, top drawer scores in each game. And is he going to be enough, John, to ask the real question that are they good enough to take Glen Swally? Well, obviously, yeah, he's in such good form. I suppose the only caveat I would say is that, you know, you're really now coming to the business side of the championship. And, you know, as Brendan pointed out, for masters are very young side, they're inexperienced. And I do agree with Brendan in the sense that I do think they're building something special up there. A lot of young talent coming through. And I think they're a team to watch over the coming years. But I suppose there's a real, I suppose, difference in making a four masters team that's coming versus a Glen Swally team with a lot of old dogs for the hard road. And, you know, I was just laughing in my head earlier on when somebody said, you know, who's going to be able to mark Oshin Gallon? I don't know if they'll be able to mark him, but he'll have plenty of marks on him coming someday. One way or another, because you and I know that Glen Swally are a very hardened championship team with great pedigree. They know how to win championship games. They'll have men that'll, you know, get in around them. And I think it's a very, very good test for Oshin, because he's becoming the focal point. Any team that's going to play them right now is going to have to have a special plan in place for Oshin. And I know it's surrounded by talented players, but he's taken on the real focal point for the team. And that's good for Dunnegal and Michael Murphy for 15 years carried that mantle. And I suppose people are looking at Oshin as, you know, as the man to take over that mantle from Michael. And it's interesting enough that they'll be playing in opposite end of the park, so it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. Well, indeed. And, you know, I've seen Oshin play out to feel as well. Bren, you know, Michael had that ability to basically play everywhere. But like, Oshin has that talent as well. He's tall. He's a ball one or two. Like, I remember a couple of seasons ago watching him in under 21 final against St. Dunons, and he was playing midfielder, and he looked like just a natural midfielder. You know, he has all the skills. You know, obviously injuries has curtailed probably the brilliance. But from the get-go, I think maybe his debut, Crow Park, the four points. And you just thought that this led to something special. And we've always seen bits and pieces of it. But regularly now in club, every time I look like he's hitting some serious scoring charts. And, you know, whether that's enough, you know, if Bradley Walsh is enough to back him up. And do you agree with John the Clense? Well, he's still that kind of battle-hardened team. Yeah, I like this Glence Willey team is coming through, Brendan, you know, and obviously, having Michael Fulltime is a big help to them. But you look at their midfield, too. You look at Morgan and Marley. Like, they're two big guys. They're two guys that can win their own ball around the middle of the park. And they've brought in a couple of great defenders, like said, Jack and Donald Gallagher have, you know, come into their defense. You know, I know the last day of the award, you know, he's retired. He's playing a bit of reserve, I think now. And he was the main. He was the key man for Glence Willey when they were winning championships at fullback because it was a problem area. But he solved that for them. But now they've brought through these two Gallagher lads. Jack Kelly is there. And, you know, they are building again. So they are. Michael still has plenty of years of club football in them. So I think they're going to be a feature. I think they are tough. And I'll tell you, I always said it, if Glence Willey get to the last to the quarters, they're going to be hard beat because they will grind it out with any team. So they will. And there, you know, I expect them probably to have too much for McCool's at the weekend. And it's just their noose and their know-how, how to win these games. They have a great understanding of that. And they've been sprinkling of experienced players like Michael and Copper and Keeling Kelly and these type of guys that, you know, have been there, done that. And that's a big help for them, other young fellows within the squad. Yeah. You agree with that? John Park Boners doing it, doing a good job there with, you know, they, I think it's been a tough time for Glenn Fund, very tough season. Of course, in the recent news as well, there's been a real, I suppose, tight time for everybody involved with the club. Your heart will go out to them, but Glenn Swally kind of controlling the game and really, you know, looking at, we've got these differences inside, John, but certainly Glenn Swaly are on the way up and they would have too much ability all around the park currently for Glenn Fund. Yeah, I know. And I think that, you know, there's a fairly predictable result. I know they were trying to talk up the local rivalry, et cetera, but they're just in different places in their development right now. And, you know, I waxed them up on Glenty's against Neve Connell. They give a very good account to themselves for large parts of that game. They kind of faded in and out of it at times, probably left it disappointed that, you know, that a lot of the hard work done, there were six or seven points up at one stage, probably against any other team in the county, maybe a part from St. Unions and Neve Connell, they probably would have got a result there. But no, they're building, that result in Glenty's may stand them because they will have learned much more from that and where their vulnerabilities are and where their weaknesses are versus some of the teams that played earlier where they were wanting comfortably enough. So building always a dangerous side, no lack of confidence out there when it comes to championship football. So they'll definitely be in the picture and I think, you know, come Sunday or Saturday or Sunday, whatever day it's on, they'll have too much overall from a course. But it's still a very intriguing battle because both of them will feel that they've got a good draw. And when you go into a championship match, you've got a good draw and you have a real shot at it and McCool's won't come up just to lie down. And if Austin has one of those days where he's kicking points for fun, then it could make for a very interesting day all around. But overall on the grand scheme of things, you would expect maybe Glenn Swally would have too much at this stage. Yeah, yeah, certainly because I suppose we've went out to a lot of what we would all call the top four teams last few years. Now Glenn Swally are pushing to get in there, but there might be that bit closer in that this could be a game. It's certainly fascinating stuff. Tell me, our draw, Clajon Ely. See that one coming? Absolutely not. I mean Clajon Ely were favourites going on its light. I think, you know, unbelievable stuff. I mean, what a performance by Carl Joseph Malloy. You know, I keep looking at different names, you mention Marty there, players like John Malloy. I think I'm thinking of Jim coming in now and people are saying about the talent pool now. What a performance from him wanting it. And you know, in a game that was very hard to call maybe slightly leaning the worst Clajon Ely who had a decent season running up this in our draw had, you know, a couple of performance there and a couple of performances where things went against him, but listen, they may do any pulled things together and here they are in the quarterfinal. Big time, yeah. And you know, we watched them out in the park against St. Juniors. They were very disappointing that day. And Connor Morrison was actually more American Carl Joseph that day. So he was and but there was no service of ball coming into him. So he couldn't do anything. So that's why you know that getting the service of ball into someone like KJ is so important. And he's a very, you know, well he is. Yeah, he was with us with the miners there a couple of years. He scored a phenomenal goal in the Ulster minor final a couple of years ago. Soccer style drilled it from 30 yards out and nothing into the back of the net. And he has a great talent. But you know what he also has a brilliant attitude. So he has, he wants to be a footballer. He wants to play for Dunneagall. And when you've that kind of mentality, you're going to push on and delighted to see that he is pushing on, but it's going to take a huge effort from our draw. So it is, you know, they're, they're probably in their development. It's their first opportunity to get to a semi final in a long time. And we know that bring them going back to our times, you know, we had some queer battles with them down through the years and, you know, great club, brilliant club down there and everything. So it's good to see them back in the quarter finals. They're normally in the relegation playoffs over the last number of years. So it's great to see them back. And, you know, Gidore have a couple of problems in that Neil McGee went off with a hamstring injury. And I think Micheal Carroll went off early too. And they are very, very availability will have a big saying. And I think our drag can approach this game with a lot of confidence based on their, their superb victory over Klahaneili that none of us saw common and to be fair, like, you know, so be really interested in games so well. And, you know, to two powerhouses of Dunnegal, GA come going at it. Yeah. They'll take great hard from it, Brincy, just as it been a previous manager to the likes of Carlyus of watching them in a game where he doesn't get much service in that. That's getting a hard thing to watch, even if it was against the unions. I know what you mean, that you have a very talented guy inside. If you get him the ball and have him in the game, you know, it's always a tough thing when you have someone of that ability and they're really not in the match. And then you see him shine in another game. I guess you would have ties to the all these young lads that you're bringing through. Yeah, and you do. You build up a great affinity with them when you've worked with them for a couple of years. So I've been with Carroll for two years into the minor squad. And, you know, as I say, great lad. And it was, you know, I was disappointed from that day because I was looking forward to seeing him playing because I knew he'd been playing well. I've been following their progress all year and I knew he'd been playing well, but he just didn't get any service. They were just cleaned out with the middle third that didn't their kick out strategy. Gareth Conker was in goals and he just struggled getting kickouts out of a way to his own teammates. And, you know, for that reason, the struggle and unions were just too strong on the day. But to show the bounce back ability that they've done so to beat Klahaneeli and to get into the last eight is a great sign of the character that they have. And, you know, as I say, they're going to take great hope out of that. So they are. Yeah. Your neighbours, John, what are you making this? Is there some players coming through that that's going to stabilise them, I suppose, but compared with Neve Conless last number of years, they've just been, you know, producing players after players. Ardraad didn't seem to be doing that. They were always struggling, but maybe on the way back. Yeah. And I think, listen, they're a great club. And as you well know, some great people down there always have been. And, you know, as Brendan rightly pointed right when we were all trudging along and flying the flag, you know, he came across Ardraad and Ardraad had the beating of us nine times out of 10 in most days. And that's completely flipped on its head over the last 15 years. And I know that's been hard for Ardraad people to take because now, you know, they were the noisy neighbours for long enough and you can imagine a lot of the lentil lads now are making equally as much noise over the last 15 or 20 years. So it's great. It's great to see them on the road back again. I suppose I had a different opinion on it. I thought clearly maybe we're talked up a little bit too much in the sense that I seen them maybe in the championship, but I don't know if it was last year or the year before against St. Unions and they were very, very poor. And I think there was a lot read into that St. Unions result and we all know if there's one team in the county that can put you to the sword like nobody else St. Unions, if they get a run on you or the Kenny team can get 20 points on you and you don't know what happened. So I think pride alone and they're very proud club and they're very proud town what it meant that they had really a lot of soul searching for the week and deep down, I thought there was there wasn't a situation where Klahani should have been as made favorites as much as they were because I thought there was always going to be a kick and there was a real kick. And I think it's interesting now that you and Brendan are pointing out how valuable midfielders are considering you had no regard for midfielders when you were playing at all and you got through all the glory. It's interesting now that no matter how good you are inside, you do need midfielders to be able to give you the ball. That's true, that's true. I still think number six would have been your ultimate position, but we will have to dream up that one another time. John, as we just mentioned Gidwur there obviously, them and Dunno, we had a view here with Niall Freel after the game Ryan Ferre caught up with them after a one point victory over Dunno. You came through by a point. It was terrible with other conditions here in Falkara, but you edged through. It must be a great feeling to be into the quarterfinals of Dunny Gaw Senior Championship. Yeah, great now. I think we knew from the start of the week there was going to be a bad forecast and it played out that way. I need to go away from Falkara against Dunno in a tight north-west battle. You're happy. As again, I think the team has done well on the conditions and we're just happy enough to come through with a one point victory here. Yeah, they scored a goal late in the first half in the 27th minute from Ryan Green, but you got two points after that. How important was that in the victory to make sure you went in a point up at halftime? Yeah, very important. I think with the way the wind was going, that favourite Dunno in the second half was very important. We got the even draw if we went on the draw we got that point then just to kind of settle ourselves and then the second half then we just knew against that breeze and that them goal was very hard to shoot into was in our terms then we just kind of control the game and I think that's what we've done. Yeah, Dunno did come powering back into the match. They drew level and Cahill de Burkett one stage made a very important block from I think it was Darren Curran which would have picked Dunno into the lead and team in in front of that kind of conditions or would have been harder Claude back? I don't know came strong there with Danny's kickouts he's hitting the far 45 and he got a few scores off and as you said young Cahill de Burkett came in there had done a great block and I think if Dunno did go ahead you know I don't think we would have pegged them back to mental either with them but I think that block then just gave them momentum and then the old man even yeasted up then first put it over the bar first so I Damon's bragging in there he's happy out So the the draw for the quarterfinals has just been made you've been paired against Ardra who had a great one over over Claude Haneli yesterday what do you make that draw? I suppose it's a senior quarterfinal I think Ardra made late work at Claude Haneli yesterday wasn't that around but all one of my accounts have been like working them a week and I struggled a bit Claude Haneli way so it just shows another Ardra Ardra series outfit they seem to been clicking at the right time I suppose these last couple of years they've been down near the relegation senior so they might be looking at now just have a shot of Ghidoran they'll be happy out they've probably got us as well so that may be interesting now leading up and just kind of do a bit of work on them and they'll be doing the same what I suppose yeah and a short turnaround but the one you'll look forward to exactly I just hopefully now we've got a few knocks cleared up that's what you want to do um even that two week break there it's long sitting about the house and trading and stuff I think every player just wants to play in games we didn't reach the top four but I think the top four as well they'll be mad to get out so um no game is what you want but just it is unfortunate we pick up a knock we kind of miss it but I think as most players in the club they're at the county just want to play games yeah and a hell free there thanks of course Ryan Ferry picking up under view the old man Eamon McGee John what do you think McGee comes up with a goop with listen that's that was the back to back uh championship game of course they were the last side they meditated I was down at that game Ghidoran narrowly coming through and again John is that a wee bit of done lower or obviously back in the senior and stabilizing and and certainly you know Desigar has got them playing decent football and we'll organize Ghidoran maybe are dropping down a bit which is evened up the the championship fair here because that was a tight game yeah no I think it's a combination of both I think hit the nail in the head I think get back to the pack you know from four or five years ago when you know they had that amazing run and they were the team to beat I don't know if they've ever really recovered from that saga that they had with Clint he's over the over the three matches and you know there was a better pal from the swallow and since then year on year they've gone off to boil a little bit more and I suppose the reality is some of their better players are getting on I think it was Eamon what is he 37 38 right now and he's the man that's pulling you out of the fire so you know good results for Ghidor Dunlop will be very encouraged by the performance they'll be disappointed in one sense in the sense that you know Ghidor are probably there to be taken and I'm sure they're looking at chances they should have taken and maybe put them to the sword but again after you know one of them to me they're coming up they're stabilizing they're going well they're building and again a very proud bit like Ardra you know back in the day a very proud club a lot of history some amazing talented players that have come out of that and you know they're building a new crop right now and I think the format for the championship has suited them it's allowed them to play championship games at a high level against good teams which is always good for younger players in their development and they'll be very encouraged by the way things this went this year and you know there'll be a force to be recommended as they continue their development but Ghidor seem to have come back a little bit to the pack and Ardra you know will fancy their chances they're on a high they have nothing to lose nobody's going to give them any chance of beating Ghidor and they're young and they're fresh and they're full of running and as you both well know when you get to the stage in your career and you know you may have been there and done that for a long period of time and you come across a young fellow that's mad to run all day it's just not the most pleasant experience in the world so I wouldn't write Ardra totally off on this one yeah interesting stuff we talked a bit about the likes of Mihil Karel you know it's an integral player for them again and the other man I think could could do a job for Dunnegall losing him in Neil McGee's experience of course Darrell Williams back in from his travels he must have been training hard in the beach because he was his main man driving and we've seen him do it with Dunnegall last year he's some brilliant performance with Dunnegall but if him back in there it was Talke Key and Mulligan come back I don't think he is going to come back in so Ghidor have lost I suppose it's unfair that they haven't dropped out that top pack with the players that they have lost you know it's been a tough one for McNeely's coming in this year a lot of players not available to him so they're doing what they need to do Bryn but they certainly you're still thinking they're a bit off maybe that topped here where they were which would leave them open to you know someone taking a scalpeness from them in this championship yeah definitely and you know I think the key here for for for McGee the over point of view is the fitness or the fitness and availability of Neil McGee and Mihil Karel Mihil Karel is a superb athlete he can drive them through the middle of the field and he came on that day down by her galleon against McCool's and he really took control of the game and he's a superb footballer we know the engine that he has in the middle of the field but to have Darrell Buellback is obviously a huge lift for them because they're missing they were missing him and Norm McFadden-Ferry came Mulligan going away and you know they're all blows to take so they are they're all top top players to be you know not to have available so I just feel that there's no doubt about it they're not at the level that they were at a few years ago they definitely have backed off off from that level and that was a phenomenal level it was a brilliant run it was great to follow them through that run so it was but the you know you had Niall Freel on there Niall Freel is a fantastic leader so he has any time you see him play he's driving them forward from the half back line etc but it's but John's right this is going to be a tough game for them Ardraar going to come in going to feel that they're going to been written off that no one gives them a chance they're going to feel you know that already their year has been relatively success so this see this is a huge opportunity to get to a semi-final and I think going back to the key the availability of them two key players is going to be fundamental there's going to be fundamental to Ghidorah's chances to progress in the championship yeah interesting John of course the big the big one that everyone's looking at the most mouthwatering of the lot is Kilkiar Neve Connell some some of what the Neve Connell faithful is thinking about this one because Kilkiar are almost coming in I'm not saying under the radar but they've as we said we keep trying to say who's favourite to this championship and Kilkiar are in the small group behind them but certainly they're going to take a lot of beating in this quarter-final yeah no listen it's it's it's supposed to be a big draw and from a Neve Connell perspective we'd probably rather avoid them there there was potentially much easier quarter-final draws than this one and like there's a lot of history between the clubs that you know there's the there's the contested county signing from a couple years ago there's never been much between the teams and played in a couple of league finals it's been touching ball I don't see it being any other way because again the way Neve Connell play Neve Connell will never do what St. Unions did Tardra in the sense that you know if they get on top of you they still play the same game they grind it out but they're like they've been very experienced they're very efficient to what they do there's question marks over Kilkiar as regards what happens if you shot Patrick with Brady down no that's easier said than done it's a bit like Ocean Gallon how do you shut them down so if Neve Connell can shut Patrick down then that's going to go a long way to deciding this tie but it's a very intriguing tie to you know Southwest clubs both of them have been in there's a so-called top four for the last five or six years and again no love last between them in the sense for various different reasons so very intriguing tie I suppose on performances Neve Connell probably going as favorites they probably had maybe harder games to a certain extent that the Unions game has definitely stood them in good stead the Glenn Swally game again was a major test from I know Kilkiar were well tested by McCool's the last day out so very intriguing game Jon is there something is there something good for Neve Connell around I know they had the Unions test but obviously you had you know you're a bit of I suppose a comfort in that it wasn't do or die is there something in this that you know you think right if we beat Kilkiar you can really say you know there's we've a high chance of one in the championship is it an important game I suppose in terms of learning where you're at I mean whatever team comes through that would really fancy the chances of one that yeah but I don't think that's the psyche of the Neve Connell team you know they take every game game by game every minute minute by minute to a certain extent and it's not that they need given the level of success they've had over the last 15 16 years and the amount of battles they've had in any given day they don't need to beat any certain team at any given time to give them that level of confidence and motivation they very much know what they're about they will see Kilkiar as a very major challenge like everybody else in the quarterfinals right now and they're just very focused on getting their own performance right they haven't been firing on cylinders if we as a club if we give Kilkiar the kind of the kind of start that St. Eurins had or the kind of start that Glenn Swally had then it's going to be a real up whole battle but you know at the get on point cut out the silly mistakes given away the bad goals etc etc are able to shop out of a birdie down then it's going to be this is going to be a real battle no matter what the story is it'll be a real battle that's the history between these two sides but they've gone with they've kind of gone with a level of confidence that they've been there before they know how to win games and don't think much is going to change from their perspective that it'll be interesting to see how Kilkiar adapt and how they're going to take on Nick Connell because that's the I suppose that's the the quandary that everybody has when it comes to the championship do you change your own game to deal with the way Nick Connell play because Nick Connell's going to play the way they're going to play and it doesn't matter who they play or how they play they're just going to do what they do and it's always interesting to see how other teams adapt and are able to deal with that type of intensity that they bring and they're the masters at it there's no doubt in it going for six finals in a row then another team that plays again say Rua you know very much they're playing in that kind of mould they want to stay in games and make sure that they they grow in the games and the frilly growing into this championship where where do you see them lame watching unions because John saying is it a matter of unions going down trying to break down this shield if they get on top of them they could be in trouble is that how you see this game turning out listen it's difficult they are who have met great progress and they've had a great run win in their four group games so they have finished on top of the top of the league in that respect but I think just in June and strength and debt I think the same with Nick Connell just their strength and debt the fact that they're able to introduce you know real quality players off the bench with 15-20 to go that win games for you and you know if you go back to the Intercounty season we saw how crucial that was for the likes of Dublin and Kerry to get these guys off the bench to be able to make a huge impact on a game when they come into it so I just feel that St. Junans probably will have too much for Eru this is a real asset test for Eru on Sunday and you know they're again they're a club that are making progress John McNulty is down there they're in great shape they're they're on a crest of a wave down there and again it's good to see the likes of Eru are back competing at the top table and Dunny Gull senior football because you know for so long they were there and they kind of disappeared off the scene then for a number of years so this is a big ask for them coming up against the St. Junans team that you know are many people's fancy along with Dave Connell to go the whole way kind of thing so I think it might be a step too far for Eru but it's a big test for them to see where they are how they've progressed since the last meet St. Junans a couple of years going in the stage of the championship kind of thing so you know we'll know more after Sunday they you might say apart from the Ghidor challenge that they had a comfortable enough run through the they'll play a very defensive we know that kind of thing so I think Junans will find a way to break them down and that could disrupt the Eru pattern yeah lessons fascinating all of them there's something to be said in every one of these games which is showing you there's a bit of a change in nature in the senior football one team that is going to be in the senior football next year St. Michael's of course they defeated Malford at the weekend and Michael Lankin inspired St. Michael's to put Malford and St. Paul's down to that last relegation game and that immediate of course Gulls was the order of the day the teams that out Gulled their opposition came through and Thurman Bobby Begettingen had a couple of goals for them in their victory they march into the semi-final they're playing downings Fanad Gulls keeps surprising the pack 1-13 to 14 over Bonkran and Malin accounting for Bandoorn again 2-9 to 10 points and Gulls John win games is the obvious thing but an intermediate there it's every side the opposition not registering a three-pointer and the difference in downings beating Reds Hughes and Malin over coming Bandoorn Fanad beating Bonkran and of course Thurman beating Colomba was all about hitting the back of the net did it lose John there yeah I've lost John yeah listen you know it's a great point and you know you just look at this Thurman team the youth the whole way through with Brendan like they really and I'm looking forward to maybe seeing them at some stage because I know a lot of them again kind of thing but it's a change team from the Thurman team we would have known in the past a lot of good young players coming through whether they have enough experience and maturity to go all the way will be the answer to the question as you mentioned like you know Fanad are taken out they've taken out a couple of big guns now a couple of big wins for them and you know people are beginning to take notice of them so they are definitely Bandoorn getting beat was somewhat of a surprise as was maybe Bonkran but full cue those to you know downings and Malin and Malin are seemingly going there along nicely too the Fildaras and O'Neillads and these guys and when they get ahead of steam up so they are you know we had a few battles with them or so I've done through the years they can be quite a force so they can too so really open championship hard to pick a winner in it Brendan really yeah it is hard to pick a winner Brendan that's going down go to go down the wire for some fascinating games in there as you say Malin after after last season really coming in this championship looking to prove a point and they're down to the last four now we will be getting further updates in this championship as time goes on but for now we're going to leave the senior championship and after the break I'm going to talk to as I say Ender McGinley who's going to give us a lowdown on the Tarón championship and of course the appointment of Derry of the one and only Mickey Hart the DL debate with Sister Sarah's Laddercanny serving food you'll love till 9pm daily in Sarah's kitchen and there's free admission entertainment every weekend Electric Ireland Super Homes can help you achieve a cosier, healthier and more energy efficient home and one with less carbon emissions They look after your home's retrofit from start to finish including management of SEAI grants Visit electricarlandsuperhomes.ie and start your journey to a super home today Grants offered are provided by the government of Ireland through the SEAI Shared in security now introducing zero wire smart alarm systems zero wire zero mess and a real 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I'm good Brynn, I'm good just escaping from the glories of a family weekday evening you know yourself Oh good man, you're on a wee covered somewhere I'm hiding out door locked and hopefully social services don't become aware of the situation but yeah all good all good Good man, Enda Enda listen before we get on I was going to just catch up be about the throne championships there the weekend kicking off but the news last week with your former boss of course clubmate Mickey Hart taking over you know your big rivals and Derry what was your first reaction on this end? Did it come out of left field or had you heard any rumors on this? Completely left field to be honest I was down at a meeting in Crook Park and the rumor went round the table and I just said oh no I couldn't see it couldn't see it and I bit more chatting and the phones kept buzzing away in the middle of this meeting and you realize something was going down so look surprising and then it's one of those classic things surprising absolutely and then the more you think about it the more you twist it over in your head there's plenty of ways that it makes sense you have to feel for love that's a serious sucker punch and the fact that it agreed the two additional years I think that all sort of makes it raise plenty of eyebrows but at the same stage everybody knows it's very very clear cut why he's going there and I think that just turns up the heat lovely with all the other managerial appointments in Ulster no none less than Donegal it's leading to a very fascinating Ulster situation next year yeah fascinating at the end of the day there's so much and that you know when you talk about the different managers that they're going to be on the line against each other and the history that's behind it I mean it's absolutely phenomenal I mean when you think about it there and then someone from Turun was talking there because our automatic reaction is here the Turun and there you've probably won the let's say deepest rivalries we'll call it that in Ulster but there was a guy on from Turun saying that you've got to remember Turun are bordering a lot of places and where you are of course up in Erigal Cairne that it's not necessarily maybe the divide with Derry that some people think it might be would you would you agree with that or what what's your take on that Derry I suppose growing up going to the matches in Clonus during the 90s Derry was the first big one for me as a as a child so that certainly stays with you but it does it varies around the county and it was always like within the Turun camp within Trinan you'd have various fellas coming into various games and they would take over about how this one is the big one and you know the Moe or Eglish fellas coming in against Armaa and Averhin was about beating Armaa you know the Lockshore boys and Averhin was about beating Derry you know the Ahayarn and North Turun men then and they couldn't stand the likes of Dunnegal or Derrypin where about you from down with us we're just over the way from from Monahun so it all feeds into that sort of anybody but Turun type narrative that we know is out there but certainly within Turun it is there's a geographical spread but the rivalry then changes with whatever team is really going at in a couple of big meetings so it was Turun Derry in the 90s definitely it was Turun Armaa and then Otis Turun Dunnegal really took over after that to be fair and now it's sort of wheeling around whether you can pick almost any of them as as rivals at the minute but as Rose Derry's the top gun Turun and Derry didn't meet last year in the championship and I think that will be a big one when it does happen it was going to be a massive one anyway but now I think with the Mickey heart factor it'll certainly add a add plenty more space yeah and then you more or less said in your opening remarks there that listen there's one reason he's going there I mean Derry so close to an all out and final last year Hearts experience in that realm he obviously did a fantastic job at Lous and you're right you'd feel for them because he's given them such a lift he had such a present there himself and Devlin that for them to lose him now I mean how do you replace them but I mean that's done but from a Derry perspective the way Derry play and the way Hearts sets up his teams can you see tactically do you think it's just a fit that'll suit in terms of how Heart will shape this Derry side something similar and what he's really there for and what you kind of what you were kind of saying in your statement is has no how to take the teams all out and final and possibly won it maybe that is as much as anything way he's in there yeah it's a very clear statement isn't it like and for you know yourself like Dunningall experience with Jimmy McGinnis whenever a manager came in with very strongly held beliefs about heading for the very top and how that sort of bond binded together the team and everybody then had that unity of purpose and suddenly a real deep sense of belief that we are on a special mission here and there's only one destination is going to satisfy that the Derry players certainly they've come up obviously through the ranks their story of on the rage over the past four years is is remarkable and they definitely this year they felt they had entered into the All-Ireland conversation and were deeply disappointed about that loss to Kerry you could you could sense that with them and they they sense that they could win the All-Ireland now we've all been there that initial sense of a team okay we we we can actually win the the All-Ireland it's almost like a surprise there's a sense of a surprise there's a sense of oh my god that we could do this whereas now with the Mickey Hart appointment he's going there for one reason one reason only and somebody of Mickey Hart's joining up with a team like Derry tells all those Derry players will he obviously sees an All-Ireland in us this suddenly gets very very real and so that's their target there's no doubt about that he will bring a lot of know-how the tactical situation will be fascinating Rory Gallard introduced a very very different unique type of attack and style where there was four or five men pushed up inside the 21 Mickey hadn't done that with any of his teams but plenty of other teams were starting to sort of look at it and start and experimented and could see the value in it because it really does mess about with the opposition shape and create a wee bit more space and it seemed to really suit the Derry players so I don't think he'll be ripping that up I think there's plenty of fear that he's going to change them away from that style that people quite like watching I think what he will do his biggest challenge will be to strengthen that panel because for Derry the run through division one this year is a much bigger test for them than the run through division two and I don't think you can survive that run through division one and still be in good shape and being able to peak for the championship the way Derry will need to if they are going flat the mat with the same 15, 16, 17 players every single day of the week in huge division one ties every single week so his big thing he has to strengthen that panel and see where that brings him he's obviously got good young talent coming through from Derry but he probably needs a few more players that are more ready to go than players that'll take one or two years maybe yeah and just the wee side though just before we go off this and Devlin in there highly regarded as a coach you know Coach Wischloch Neal of course with that a bit of a bear and will that make the transition a bit easier if you've got a group of guys in there to say in this and you know this guy's a great coach coming in as well that we can go to the next level on their heart and Devlin yeah Gavin's massive factor in that someone like obviously to the point like this there's 101 rumours going about I heard one rumour the day that it was actually Gavin that they wanted but Gavin wouldn't go without Mickey now whatever truth in that I don't know but certainly Gavin he's managed three different actually clubs in Derry his first management job that he took on when he was very young only sort of mid-30s was in Derry he then managed Belahi and then he was with Slut Neal and in all those clubs he was really well regarded so he is very highly thought of Chris McCake is working with him he's taking our bow at the minute in the Trum club championship and Chris McCake is in there working with him as a coach as well so again this is very much you'd imagine that is the most likely route that this sort of surprising turn of events has has come about but yes massively highly regarded is a superb coach like we all know what Mickey Hart thinks of him we know what the loud fellas all thought of him too again they couldn't speak highly enough of him so he's going in there now he's big shoes to fill Gallagher and Mina were exceptionally well thought of too and end of Maloune was within that setup too Peter Hughes was there so Derry had an excellent setup there's no doubt about that but horse is a very unique sort of character very unique way of going on brilliant at bonding with players has an infectious personality really when he's around the team and a superb way of thinking about the game so look make no bones about it they've got top top manager in terms of experience and know how and just his belief that he'll bring to them but a superb coach in Gavin Devill yeah and I'm just going to end the tarot and setup just looking at that you mentioned there the likes that Devillain and me Chrissie McGave at Artbow you know some of the coaching teams in there like Paul McGave and Ryan McMeneman and Major Moore and Mina of course you mentioned there as well Luke Barrett I think is up with Loc McCrory is that they're in I'm just looking right and Connelly Gilligan the huge win over Carrick Moore probably the surprise or the biggest result of the first round probably dark you've got county managements around all your clubs I mean it is a fact now the Weller I think played a bit of a part your own your own guys champions of course got it off to a good start against Kelly Klocher but was it a bit more tactical at the weekend than you expected it seemed to be the feeling that it was getting through from the games but as I say the Weller could have played a part in that the Weller and just the first round the first round's notorious and thrown it does tend to be quite cagey teams you're out it's just because it's all or nothing you have so much on the line and then the nature of the modern game and away there is that cageiness to it and then the conditions really played certainly from the ones on Saturday and particularly on Sunday the conditions had a massive bearing on things like they were absolutely brutal to be fair so yes you will tend to see that and to be honest that cageiness doesn't really lift throughout the championship like it'll still games will still be very very cagey all the teams are very well coached as you pointed out like really really tough level managers right across the clubs and not just the managers but the entire coaching setups that's around these it is so close to county level like it's essentially division four division three type county setups is what lots of clubs and drone are running with it is quite phenomenal you can query the right or wrong and the greater scheme of things from the amount of money clubs are having to pump into it but there's a huge pride and the top senior teams in those teams and you see it throughout the league in fairness I think that's why the league is so high quality whenever you put in these top sort of management setups around a team them men do not want to be associated with anything other than success they're all trying to work on their own reputations they're all trying to achieve and they're not taking that level of post and that level of pressure for anything other than to be successful in it so when you have so many teams with good setups that's going to create a very very tight environment where margins and tactical astuteness in terms of how teams are playing and that sort of very steady control type of modern football that we know so well and can talk about so much not maybe particularly enjoy at times that does tend to be the order of the day but as ever then the football will tend to break out later on in games whenever it really starts going down to the wire then you start to see the football sort of breaking out a wee bit more yeah and it's phenomenal you're mentioning there the teams I don't know any county that has that type of talent coaching the teams you know it just shows you the championship that's happening there you know look already obviously Oma or outkilling Klahar or outgalbally you know you mentioned Karrig Moore there but was that was that Lenny Harbenton was over Oma as well Lenny Harbenton and Kevin really that's right was that Eden Dark of course you know coming up and pulling out a performance again was that the the biggest shock of the weekend and what what what in your mind stood out for you it it was because Arigal obviously it was Karrig Moore that Arigal had beaten last year's county final and then they rejigged their management set up a wee bit Stevie O'Neill had joined up with with RGPD within it and they had an extensive backroom team as well a really good young team I seen them in a league game up against Arigal actually about three weeks out from the championship and it was an absolute cracker of a game of football and they were moving very well that night so Karrig Moore certainly would have viewed themselves and what has been seen widely certainly within Arigal we would have always been looking at them as arrivals we would have seen them as real real top contenders like all clubs and drone are dangerous but there's sort of four or five that maybe are standing out is maybe the most likely to to break through Karrig Moore were certainly right up there so to see them picked off by Eden Dark and again Eden Dark strange team like tough for them during the league because they do lose out quite a few in terms of county players but when they get them back they do tend to be a force to be reckoned with difficult to beat they have been building for several years you wouldn't be expecting them or they wouldn't have been the first name off the tip of the tongue when you were mentioning potential winners but we've seen like Duncannon whenever they came through and Trillic whenever they came through initially they weren't expected as well and they came through and suddenly then their bona fide contenders now really every year for the past several years Eden Dark you would not write them off going on a similar journey the Trillic in the next round that's going to be a real real battle Trillic having lost Maddie Donnelly they probably just aren't at the peak of the powers that there were a couple of years ago but they have so much know-how and craft and quality within that team and again the management setup they will set up they're very very difficult to break down but Eden Dark is going to have some wind in their sails after that win over Karrick Corso again that's that's a tough one to call Tough one to call Ender no better man to call I'm actually having to go to call it now I'm running out of time here Joe Dex is looking at me Ender phenomenal I'd love to talk to you more about that particularly about the monies but under these clubs and the fact that they're out in one game we'll chat again if that's okay Ender I'd love to catch up as the championship goes on Good chat neighbour Top man end of the beginning there of course Tarun Legendary it's great to catch up on the deal today I want to thank Joe for producing here my guests Jungle Day and Brandocle Coyne stay tuned for the Ex and Monday night sessions I'll speak to you all next week