 Hello everyone, I am honored to be presenting today to the Dean's lecture series of Columbia University Graduate School of Architecture Planning and Preservation. Today, October 11th, we celebrate the Indigenous People's Day, the long overdue acknowledgment of the damage of colonialism around the world and here in the United States. Though we are dispersed virtually today, we gather in Lenape Kohokin, the unceded ancestral homeland of the Lenape peoples. I ask you to join me in acknowledging that the Lenape community, their traditional territory, elders, ancestors, and future generations, and in acknowledging as a school that Columbia, like New York City and the United States as a nation, was violently founded upon the exclusions and erosions of many Indigenous peoples. This app is committed to addressing the deep history of erasure of Indigenous knowledge, sensing enactments, ecologies, ethics, histories. In the profession of the built environment generally and in the Western tradition of architectural education specifically. With this, GESAP commits to confronting these institutional legacies as agents of colonialism and to honoring Indigenous knowledge and its curricula in its curricula. Architect and artist Bunser Prentada is assistant professor at the Faculty of Architecture in Chula Longhorn University and the founder of Bangkok Project Studio. Bunser Prentada argues that architecture is the physical creation of an atmosphere serving to heighten our awareness of our natural surroundings. In this lecture, he discusses a variety of his work, considering the manipulation of light, shadow, wind, sound, and smell alongside the socio-economic and cultural agenda with many of his projects. All this as means for architecture to contribute to the improvement of equality. Bunser's work has won many international awards, including the AR Plus D Award for Emerging Architecture in 2011. He has also been shortlisted for the Agakan Awards for Architecture in 2013, to the Grand Prix Prize International Break Architecture in 2014, the overall winner, the Plan Awards 2017, Acknowledgement Prize Regional Africa Holstein Awards 2017 in the Asia Pacific, the Global Award for Sustainable Architecture in 2018, and the Royal Academy Dorfman Awards in 2019. Bunser has lectured and exhibited at the Royal Institute of British Architects, RIVA, at La Cité d'Architecture du Patrimon à Paris, the Venice Biennale 2018 in Hong Kong, the Cold Polytechnique Federal de Loshan, the University of Tokyo, University of Hong Kong, National University of Singapore, the Bartlett School of Architecture in London, the UCL, and several other international universities. This year, his pavilion, The House for Human and The House for Elephants, represents Thailand at the Biennale Architectura 2021. And with all these, please join me in welcoming Professor Bunser Prentada today at this Gisab Dean's lecture series. Thank you so much, Andes, and good evening to everyone. And I'm Bunser Prentada and from the Bangkok Project Studio from Thailand. And thank you so much for and Columbia Gisab for a lecture series in this fall at the Columbia University. And firstly, and it's my studio, it's focused on sustainability and social environmental and the we try to and make the architecture or the landscape or and the environmental to relate that to light and the atmosphere and light and the sense of the human. So and my is most of my work is located in the local area. In my black cow, it's about the center. I can hear it on the left side, I can hear only the 30% and the right side, I cannot hear anything. And this is my example work is about and the first project that we start with my studio with completing in 2011. And we call drive and the Cantonese film and animation in Sisu. Extreme school, this is an undergraduate school and graduate school set up it for fly and make the new generation for light and a film director and filmmaker or an animator. It's my space and I interested about and the style in the open area, the pathway is like and the two wall is like an undulating wall. I call it and the south upside them. The south is and they're very important for me because it's and light and I lost it the one thing, but I have that the other thing to do for and the design. Especially if this place, I would like to design this place like and the same object human, the student should learn and how to be a human before he study and all the things. So and this place is like and stimulated and by using and the same thing, light and the same material, smelling, temperature and spirit. So and I'm not I'm not only decide with the architect there, but I decide the wind, the diner, the silent and the title. So how do you know you are a human if you have the feeling, if you are and if you were and lie and the film director, you have to the feeling. So it's my architecture is the one master that sent to and the student to and to set that you are still a human if you have the sense. It's like and this subject. After the finish and this project is 2011. The last project is like and the elephant world. We start to decide in 2015 and finish the project in 2020. The project is and after we understand about how to be a human after we understand about and the human. Most of the design we talking about and the human, the human in the center. And the nature and the animal, it follows the human. What is a non human center? No, I think it's and everything like a human nature and animal or the towel is equal. My question is about and how the human, the nature and the outer living space is together. Especially is that this project is I, I take a non human center approach like amplify the humanity and empathy for the elephant. The site is located in and north eastern of the Thailand. This is on the village. The village is and very long time we call Bandakang village and this village because the village is helped and the people and the elephant lives together and visit and the main river of the north eastern. And the village is situated in and national reserve forest. And the red one is an elephant world project is built by and the village. You have the temple and graveyard and the hospital for the elephant. The elephant and the people what we call and the fully people and live together with the modern 400 years old. In Thailand, you know, and the elephant is not our slum or forced labor. Elephants in this village is a part of the community. They are family. Sometimes it's like the elephant lives and in the same house with and the human that we see in this is sometime and he's hungry. So it's tied to storing the banana in the house. And the atmosphere and environmental like and the graveyard, the temple, the elephant pool and the elephant pathway and elephant is and slum and the photo over the time the urban urbanization have taken over the forest. So and the credit and the general way of the news. So the fall is what they tried to have no food for the elephant. So and the owner and the elephant, we have to go to the tourist city for back the money. Sometimes we have the accident. Sometimes they died. This is under the use of an elephant and a manhole in the present day. When the forest was destroyed, we have no food, we have no planted. We cannot plant anything. The elephant and the owner, we have to go to the city or and buy the money. And sometimes we have to deal. Sometimes they sit. Sometimes they die in accidents. And so and we have we have the elephant doctor. So the government is and the help is the law to and prohibit the elephant can walking on the street. The project was commissioned by a local government to create a new home and suitable living conditions for the forest species and lost all the destroy for it and bring the forest come back again. I study is about and the the everything is about the elephant. This is my drawing that we draw you about and how the elephant is related to the design. It's like in the body. It's like and we call like an elephant bingy. And we study about the elephant anatomy. And elephants, elephants, like in a famous girl and the male the male elephant. We study from an a baby elephant to an old elephant. And characteristic of him like and the north and the back and the trunk. We have to and observe about and the movement of the elephant and the trunk to cut the something and thread something and study about the distance of the elephant and compare between the elephant and the human and study about and the vision of the elephant to understand about how the elephant is perception by vision. Like and the human perception. Let's see at the picture like at the color but the elephant let's see and the picture is light and black and white and elephant is very special animal because they can smell and form and about nineteen five two kilometer away. So and to find it and the water that is wide the elephant it looks like the umbrella species. They protect the other species like and they are and generated like and the ecosystem through being the conserve and the protect if the small animal. This is and the wider biodiversity conservation. And we saw and like and the elephant food. The elephant is like and the plant bed. So they eat like and the nepiakas, the banana, the sugarcane. This is an activity of the elephant when they eat. When the elephant sits, we have a doctor we call him the elephant doctor that we and have to and the mobile when the elephant would have to sit that we drive the car and to and how of the elephant to have the elephant fly and this picture we show light and when the elephant has a participation the elephant if we get an animal so and the owner it helps him and to and to and put the inside and helping to and feel the happy. So and we see light and the the elephant down. It's made light and happy so and when the elephant dies so we we have and the craft yard it's very big craft yard when for and put the elephant after they die. I'm interested in the something is about and from the elephant light and the certainable products like the car light and the elephant down. It's made light and I feel live and I see elephant and it's made light and the happy of and the elephant when we release it. So I like and when we study about and the color and we study about and let it all and the wet and after the wet when it dies and bring the elephant down because to and a new product like and a paper with a plant prop or and use the elephant down to fertilize it or the biogas. It's my the new project and we study and and experiment about the elephant bleep. Elephant drunk bleep is for and study for the new project for the next year. This is and the elephant down can be a construction material also. Elephant is live in the one house with and the kui the kui people. This is and the kui's house. It's have no architecture and I call light and a non-architecture that's very interesting for me. This is and the old map 400 years ago that we show that and in Thailand it's not interesting we have to and the picture is like the elephant. It's made light in this land. It's an elephant land. This is and the picture it shows about and the ancestor of the kui people and now we have the two generations. The old generation and the young generation. The old generation is still and the fit the elephant but the young just and the the social media to broadcast the elephant to the world. The house I study is the house of and the village people. It's very simple. The view light and the the house is it. It's come from a necessary or necessity material. It's have to decide if light is very very simple and extension with light and a canopy if you have the more elephant. Using and a simple material and raw material right and the wood or and a character essentially. This is an instruction to show about an activity of an elephant and a human that is and living together in the one house. This is and the house of an elephant. You have to only one column and you have to double roofed it so elephants can move around and this one. The project is not the tree building. The tree facility like the big observation tower is a courtyard and the museum. The tree facility were integrated in everything the village. The first building and like a big observation tower. I want to design this big tower by step. This is my first step to understand and I try to decide to apply and how to and make the building it look like and the ventilation. So we study about and we study with the surrounding of the tree high and study it about and visual when and the people and living in it for they can see and the shape of the tree is different and the structure and integrated with and the surrounding when we lift the inside we look at the outside you will see light and the tree is a different shape from the idea into the real this is an under construction picture. The tower is not the vertical building but I want to and connected like to the sky and the cloud. This is not the vertical if correlation will in this place. In fact the section the tower is about 28 meters and made and trialed from the building. This tower we connected by the structure. The structure is different direction and when we combine it the shape of the different direction make it the people can move with every side every inside of the place and make it look like a time-talented structure. More tower is like and being the people to come to the top that but it's my idea I want to the people to enjoy the every floor because it's and the floor have two different view so and different is like the structure it's opening so and they have to take time to slow down and see the atmosphere in the different day and feel relifted by wind flow to inside and so and I decide light in the wall or the structure it's like and have to and the opening and the fall also and the make and the rhythm of the column like and I decide with one column the one column the structure and architecture and the interior is the landscape that is all in one the orientation of the building when it's in the sunlight on the building you see light and the different shape and different color that makes it a feeling with light and the part of the landscape I use if the bridge it look like in the formwork and pour the concrete to inside this building to try to restore the foliage the first tree the first tree in this place after it's the fall of the death driving I using and the wind is about 25 to and 30 kilometers per hour it's used in the wind speed to and blow the seed from the top and then the tree the seed it grow up become tree and make it and the saluting is more and more and more tree from the image it become almost almost the tree is starting to grow and combine with the context the elephant is walking every day in and part in this building the building is not the landmark it a part of the elephant we are the player and not a building it be we and we decide like and the cultural hot yard it's for the radiation it's cultural event and religious ceremony my idea is it was inspired by in the taking the great house it's like and the good thing and the devil look it's very very simple architecture is the louder I study it's about of how the elephant and human will look together in the same place if you see this this irreversent or a section you will see light and the elephant is very big scale the human is very small so the elephant is walking the loud and the color is very interesting because it's actually and the food thing it's like an important food thing I try to and see the food thing and imagine the food thing it's like the money food thing I call it like a food thing how start to the get and look at the cable roof that scale of the human at the path of the house and the elephant also and the cable roof and the food thing it's become to the new building and the landscape so I want to make and this building is like and the landscape from the cable roof we cut in the middle it's like the hot yard and then make and cut the small hole on the roof this is and the real picture on the bird eye view I want to make it the landscape for the inside architecture it's like and make and the cheaper or and when and the sunlight it's full through and the cloud you make it the roof it's like and the landscape and look up the ceiling and see and the ceiling and the sky the whole head is and the ventilation for the inside this is and why you ask dimension up and the small hole on the roof this is and the last kid and a place from the inside and situated it under the roof and the elephant is come to inside walk it's like and the borderless the left line is mean and the safety zone is four and the two ceiling and make it the more the four and the contour and the light and the we have a stick more and the drawing and under the construction you see light and the light and true in the roof make it and the light and the gentle slope in in this area it looks like in the room and the ceiling is different this time so it's still light and we have to the room but no wall and the safety zone is too much for between and the elephant and the human by using the rock to and light at the bottom the rock is come from and the nearby the place you and the plant plot and the bus stop and the start you come to and the last step and the architecture when the tree go up to the plant plot and make with the thickness it's about 1.5 meters thickness up and the look it helps to reduce and the heat transfer from the top into and the building you use and telekata to cover it from the model it's true and the real one it's like and little by little it's very very big scale with the pressure created for the unexpected phenomena like and the human scale like and the space of and the human scale and the place is called the elephant scale between and the column and the plant plot and the plan to show is the direction and the orientation of the plant plot with the the column is surrounded and the plant plot is inside to help the the star is more the stronger with it and while you ask dimension of and the plant plot and the food thing it helps if you see in this picture the elephant is a tree and a column when the elephant is itchy it's like and use and this part is to lie and flat it on and the column you will see light and texture on the column this is my inspiration for make this building lie and the foundation lie and the wooden column also and I intimated and the splashes and the quality of by using the hammer it's like that it's made from the handmade it for the texture for the food thing visit and the texture up and the column the elephant come inside even if the under construction the elephant will come to and to join with and this construction after the finish and when the the courtyard is open and this is and the people to come to join and to see and like and like creation space up and the elephant by using a natural earth and the stone the water is very important for and in this village every year and we showcase the water so I would like to make it only the one thing but we got to money thing like and I did the size it's nearby the building and boom boom to make it for the light and the theater because it's an elephant is green and 200 liter and check about it's 1100 liter up and we have to an elephant and 207 elements right now with and more and more so and we dig the side and then we cut it on the pond 8600 cubic meters next the only one and get the mall and we have to and after the finish the project we have to and the two pond nearby and the project the pond is like a legislation place for the elephant it takes about using the bridge the bridge is very simple the bridge is come from and the earth is near the building it's very cheap material so I collaborated with a local to make with a handmade beach from the side visit and the the bridge is very important because with it and the process is like and to create the job and the income to the community I think it and because they are not the the skilled worker it's like and they are skilled workers so we we think about and we just depicted we understand when we when we make it the bridge to the water the first bit that related it's not good but it and 400,000 one it I'm I'm sure that it's better and we make them to be an artisan it's created with the same of the prize for the local it's like an elephant museum the elephant museum it's like in the past of a village exactly the museum is not this building also but with the overall like at the village at the tower with the cultural courtyard and the museum is there it's it's it's the museum what happened is the museum what is my idea why I make this and the model like this it's related to and the style and the voice the people in this village it cannot stay in it the people in this village they don't know it's about and what is unfortunate from an outsider they said that if you use this elephant in this if you see the elephant it looks like it's slanted but in fact it's not the elephant it's like and our kids it's our children and the plant would lie and make it lie and the gentle slope will make it look like it's and the voice it has noise and the sound in the place the different side is it and the section and the the museum is hiding inside the wall and we have and the gap and make it there and the sunlight come through cut on the water outside the people who live in in the room but the exhibition is outside the room this is an outdoor exhibition this is my my purpose is I want to empower the people of the solution to take and hide in that culture and homeland the museum is like and the place is for the the place is for the elephant like and the good house is my version the house without the door the function inside we have to and the yellow one is an exhibition area at the pond and the start area and a technical room toilet and I make it a walkway for the elephant like and the outdoor museum when the elephant walk to inside and make the people would feel like and surprising and the big fall and the chair the elephant walking from the idea it become the rule it makes the elephant make the space it have to valuable like and make the wall from and hide with to touch the cloud I use in the sun and the soil to explain about and the living outdoor of and the living lifestyle of and the we will leave it the sun this means the hot the sun is the lifestyle and the the the elephant visit and the life museum the people come to inside and look at the wall the wall is mutual it's about and the story of and the good people and the elephant visit and the uncle and he gets lost and his son by and the elephant is and kill his son he visit and the elephant also so and I asked him about and how do you feel that and he said that are you angry he said that and no and we choose to have to know the better and give him in his spare this hand then him for being who he is he is still a part of the our family I inverted the exhibition the spirit we have no technology inside I just want to show you about a real life of the people and come to inside and talk about and their story to the world sometimes you come to inside you feel like and the the new accident is like an unexpected moment sometimes the mother by it come to inside and I want to show that how how we co-exist with love it's very important because it this community have to money story the museum we want to communicate communicated the story about the happiness suffering darker for the survival and the color unfair association from the outsiders the new sky walking the new wall make it a roof trip and the new sky line for the related like in the water when we pour the water in the closet I usually pour the water it's just a half that's full it's like my design I only decided only the 50 percent for the architecture and the 50 percent it's fulfilled by the nature it's not me in this project I have learned that is it sometimes the local the local spirituality is like an arctic river that as long as in perfection misted and sometimes it makes me the price this is our life my tree building it performs with the tree function to serve the culture in life revising for the forest and build a certain harmony the project is taught in the first day the first day is transformed the focus and relate by using the local worker the local people to make it the building until the project is completed during the COVID-19 pandemic in our country the architecture is worth them home the pool it put down the sticker and start the whole food and the everything to bought car to the one story to the world no matter who you are different species we respect each other in this project I have learned that it's sometimes the animal can transform the city they will bring hope and pride to the human humanity is not that about the human relationship we are there our humanity through our relationship with other living creatures on the planet the respect and content we show toward the animal research the value of human wealth thank you so much fascinating lecture of issues that we can now discuss such a beautifully both the work and beautifully presented I would like to encourage the audience to start posting their questions in the q&a we will be reading it but before that I'd like to uh I see you something that has to do with this this basically this possibility of understanding architecture not that much as an activity that caters to human centrality but but not only catering to more than human forms of life but actually redefining what architecture can be uh as an assemblage or alliance maybe better between bricks soil saddle air with humans and more than humans uh and this notion of architecture uh that you presented uh some alliance uh or interspecies alliance even which in my opinion is so beautiful so challenging and so needed in many ways also I guess presents some let's say methodological adjustments to the way architects work and I would like to ask you about this what's the way that you work when the when your architecture is really mediating or or or consolidating or intervening or reinforcing or empowering these relationships between for instance humans of different nature also and elephants what is the way for instance you are rolling the process the elephants or or the quiz uh the quick peoples uh in a process that in the past in modern times it was mostly human sector and where the conversation was just uh between the architect the human and the customers clients uh promoters how the process changes when you're catering you're providing to more than humans that have not that easy to to have a conversation with you or or to to tell tell you easily two words what they need the what they the method of and uh my design and uh we start to lie and uh we put it and uh the human in myself to out so check out that is my safe check it's my safe to and check out so and uh we look like and uh we feel like and what the elephant is feel reply and when you have and the pet like and the dog right so and we we try to understand so elephant it cannot speak it like the animal cannot speak in a human language and so and uh this project I want to bring it to white form and the elephant and what happens and elephant behavior is very important it lies with the basic like architecture standard that we study lie and uh and the building criteria we study lie and the dimension of and the human so it is the same but it's a different because and this project is like it located in the middle of nowhere I have to go and that play and have to try to and lie and make and lie and familiar with and the people that elephant because the elephant it it when you see and the people look like the outsider you lie and feel unhappy you know so it means you have to go to it and uh it's a lot of money time to go to see that and the project the first the project that we start to find in the government so and uh and uh yeah and the local people eat and afraid they will and destroy the money thing or the build the thing that is not related not supported for and the people so I try to and talk with them so and the the try to and explain about and after and the project if the project it will set up and finish it make and the people it have to better life and basically especially elephants you have to and the new place before the light and the legislation uh I think it's and uh the one thing that I have to do and this project is like and the truth take forward talking about the real not fair so that is and the the process of the design maybe yeah I really like the way that you you started also talking about census and also the variability of census the diversity within the way human sense and these are connected to your uh discourse on uh more than human relationships makes me think of this question that rosy bright dot erased when she said uh who was the antropo of the antropo center or anthropocentrician who's this antro that is in the anthropocentrician because it's definitely not me she would say and this makes me think that the modern culture of human hegemony is not only about exploiting animals but it's also about exploiting humans and characterizing humans as a standardized as equal and as uh as a mean to to uh to eliminate and to flatten diversity with him within human sensitivities I really like the way that you're connecting uh human bodily diversity with the need to move to a culture in which architecture provides alliance and opportunities for trans species relationships because I I agree with you that that's also a project that has to do with how humans behave with fellow humans and how we acknowledge that our sensing capacities are sensing cultures are sensing uh uh let's say spiritualisms are different and that architecture has a great capacity to mediating this difference and and my question would be uh because my feeling is that you're moving to a notion of architecture that is not really about sheltering for instance but rather about producing opportunities for architecture or for humans to attune with other humans and to attune with other forms of life more to understand how our sensitivities require calibrations uh and how we need to do an effort to make our life something that supports other lives and that makes itself available to be supported by others I love the way for instance the tower instigates seeds to travel as a way for human slowness in moving upwards in the tower a mean for contribute to the reconstruction of the forest I have the feeling that your your architecture is not about program neither about sheltering it's more about this attunement this possibility of tunes among different or kind of mediate in the attuning of different forms of sensing am I do you think do you do you recognize yourself in this this effort for attuning sensitivities it and in this project it's like uh you know if you're talking about and the program in fact it and uh the project it has and uh program itself it's like and uh the program it it's very important I think the program is very important but the program it must be very good for the program every program it comes from the my research and that is the book it's part of research and to send it to and the board of the local government with it and my research the research it's not come from the top down but it comes from the bottom up a different from the research from a top down from the local government because with a lot of from a local government it it has to they have the different image for me they want its life and the Disney world but I it's for me I I I did agree this the idea why we have to make and the 400 will let you come to and the the show we'd like to show so and uh so I think it and uh it's about the culture it's about the nature this is and the program it's about and uh life it's about the traditional not only that it's about and that innovation also that is hiding inside this is and the program if you're talking about and my building it took life no function don't have one firm your building don't have the function I said that no no no no function it means money function life and the cultural culture it's not only it's one function I'm graduated in the program of the innovation we try to my question is about and why we when we renovate that is the old building if I my question is about why did building it decide for only one function in the future in our generation we can do and this and 100 year function ago so and I think it and and we have to try to and make it the building it have to no function it's money function the function is just it's for and it depends on and the situation my architecture it reflected the function that reflected to the social situation at that time the problem the issue if you are the happiness you will feel like and come to inside you will feel like an atmosphere the function is the atmosphere is the one of the my function the feeling and the same is the one of the my function function it doesn't mean you use and this and this one is not only function is money function it depends on and the people it's my architecture it's for the public it's for the social for the people by the people it's made from the people yes made for and the elephant that they respect long time ago so and uh did it and the function it looked like and the material that I show in the first and the first project that the material people ask me about and the material why you do and the picture you like pictures you love pictures I said that no and the spiritual you know and lie and not if you see my building use and the material is a big building it's no not not at all I the wind is my material the style is my material the template is my material we have to and maybe I definition is the material or definition of and the function in different form and the design criteria in the program to ask you about the way that this you were referring to your research how these projects start with them bottom up learning or knowledge that is produced collectively and I want to watch the way that a project like these relates to a larger political context the people have been struggling for a long time with the exploitation and the development and how that affects their forest and their relationship with the forest mining infrastructures have been harassing the the habitat of the of the queer peoples and and the form of life it's really can be seen and can be understood as a form of resistance and I wonder what's the in the details of how this project happened that was reflected what is the way that you see this project operating at the larger political scale that has to do with the with the quiz struggle or the queer people's struggle to resist development mining exploitation and after the project it's needed and first and that we show in the slides it and the first the first construction is and we employ and the queer people to make the building because it and the basic of and the construction is not even of Thailand is that area you have to really steal something a long time ago we have to if you if you see it like and PMI temple it and like and uncle temple the queer people not only in Thailand but the queer people it's like an ancestor it lives it's like in Cambodia it's loud also so it and that area and in between the area it's like and this is and like and like I tried it so and and after the the the project it's needed the the query it has to and you know and the elephant you have and the whole because it and right now the elephant not only in that place this place it we have to and the the most elephant the number of the elephant is a lot is the most so and in the tourist city like and so be the patya and the tourist city in in Thailand so we have the elephant also but elephant is not like and the queer related it's like and that you call like a sanctuary that you call like and the tourist spot so and after the COVID-19 pandemic it the the elephant that it come from and the queer related it go back home because if the tourist city have no story so the elephant has no job so we come back home when we come back home that this place it did come to and the tourist come here the elephant don't come to and the tourist city that's why you have to accident and sit elephant a lot in the past so and this area is like and then the place it far and the visitor and the elephant and the queer people to come together the culture that for the 400 year ago if still there will be the the people will preserve and the traditional until the present day you will see like and it look like and the parallel world you live like and the the world like it's very modernity like it's very technology it's very social social media but in this life the adapted heat like it's not like and the youth is like that social media if you see in the video it's like and they put down and the sickle with you and the the heat and the elephant head they put down so the youth and the selfie stick like and watch the lifestyle of the elephant to the world because they cannot go anywhere so they use and YouTube and Facebook or Instagram to help them to explain about the daily life because it's the real it's not the face it's not the movie you can see that every time if you wonder you see this but what happened is like when when the elephant it's cannot it's cannot the poo poo so and you will see it's a life it's an how the people will love it if the celebrity it changes the house is not changed but the celebrity change the first tip the forest is come back it we have the big thorn poo big thorn before and he served the water and the restaurant at first that we come to and decide that the person does not do at that time you have no restaurant right now we open the restaurant around the time so and right now I have the picture that we show that that we cannot show to you right and we have and three pizza hut that is and the people that come see they was born in in in this play and they we have when we have no job to go to and Bangkok in and the capital and to find the job to reply and cook reply a chef in an Italian chef and after it has to the problem in the crisis economy or something unlike and the COVID pandemic they go back home and open with a small restaurant if it plays it's not only and job opportunity but bring the people from the city come back home with it and new urbanization from the local people you can move and work in the city but if it's not your home our home is our best of both Jennifer is saying what a beautiful project it gives me hope for our humanity thanks especially Bonser for emphasizing respect for one another including nature and animals and along these lines I wonder what's the way that you see the evolution of this project we are the images that you served with us are showing the beginning somehow of a project that in the way that you explain it was meant to have an evolution you're talking for instance of a tower that is contributing to to the reparation of the forest and to funding fresh infrastructure that is re-channeling the way elephants move in the territory and so I wonder what's the way that you would imagine and you would also you want to to deal with the evolution of this project in time would you like to follow it would you like to keep intervening in it or would you like to detach yourself from it and see if things happening without your intervention uh the 50 the 50 percent had demanded that I talked with decide by nature and you asked me power and I after that I involved and and uh 50 percent demanded I think that I know I don't want to involve it we clocked it and light and the water light and the water light and drink the water it's not full when you pour the water so and drink just only the half and the half left the people and pour so and left there's something to put inside the air or and there's something like and if you want to make coffee it to put the coffee inside it makes it the new way of and thinking about and why we have to make it the perfect because I learned from a non-architect like and really people that their life is adjusted they're adjusting situation care care by care so and light and the nature also and uh light and uh we let it the nature is full we let and the people think about that place if you see this place can you take the advantage for this place or you left it and gone and ruined light in the parcel I think and I want to make the something the people think about which you have there's something to play and very interesting it's something to play and the architecture is for and everyone my architecture is that people can take advantage from my reading not one but for the public no one can take advantage from this reading this is and very important it's like when you come in the the place it's like it's the forest or and and the pond I cannot control the water in the pond but I can make the pond by using the soil pick the soil and burn using the soil and the berm to be and the new place when we have to add a hole on the cloud the water is calm the water is come from the nature come from the sky the cloud or the come from the underground this is not my design it's full filled it's so beautiful it's full filled it's so so beautiful when the elephant come to use it it's more beautiful it's very beautiful up and down the place the water from the pond we feed to the forest or we feed to an elephant food plant the soil we have to wet it we have to moisture so understood with clothes that's why we use it like and the cycle understand about the sustainability if for me it's a sustainability it's not about and something is permanent there's something is sustainability it can disappear or appear sometimes maybe it's temporary people see that oh this is and the temporary why the function is called that is life and sustainability I think that I said that no my definition of in the term of the sustainability it may lie and I certainly sustainability in my the process is very important that you ask me the process of the sustainability when the people come to see that oh I understand I it limit it reminds us to see that work and make me remember our life when we go to another building or the other building that we feel like oh wow this is and the sustainability in my it's not the visual sustainability in the stand when you come to the place that you feel like and it's like and the woman left the long that I did I didn't show it in this in this work life when you eat you have the food it's from and the old grandmother it's very beautiful that you feel like oh when you didn't see it it looked like my mother when I was young when I was a baby my mother cooked that food to me so and I think wow this is and there's sustainability in my it's my definition and because maybe this is a final question to wrap up that but you you're in a space of meditation and I want you to raise a question that is crucial in a day like today and I'm kind of thinking of Marisol de la Cadena's analysis of the of a big conflict between modern humans and many indigenous cultures in which whereas modern humans were very much based in the existence on the separation of the technical world the political world and the spiritual world like if they were different realms that didn't touch each other Marisol de la Cadena refers to a large number of indigenous peoples as a huge possibility to we to understand technology and architecture being a technology in a way politics and spiritualism let's say spiritual dimensions as mutually interdependent and actually entangled and implicated I want to ask you about this because I think that your spirituality it's quite important in your practice right and the notions of spirituality are also informing your vision of ecology politics and architecture in a way this is something that of course has been hugely repressed in architecture through its more modern engagement and I would like to know how you see these even in the place from the position and place from which you are where you are now right yeah and talking about and the the technology and in our lives we cannot avoid the technology so and we use and but the technology is fly and instrument but spiritual spirituality is very important because it's fly and it's feel like an abstract not concrete but the spirituality is like and the feeling but if you see fly and the AI or the high technology it's no lifetime I feel with my work it it feel like and the living place a place is for everything living if you use and the technology maybe it's very good it's very neat very clear but it has no feeling my feeling it's made from hand by hand and use and the power both is it and another technology it is hand technology so and I think it and the technology is fly and I don't want to make it my building it look like and use technology as and the whole building if you feel warm if you feel remember spiritual it means remember if you feel that you go back to home if you feel you remember when you go to everywhere it's remind me it's remind us it's about and once we have have been that way it look like that way it doesn't mean copy but it means like and impression the human is and really very special species is about and they can adapt to everything so and when someone created and high technology so human is adapted like and but the technology cannot adapt to the human so and everything that it makes it like and the technology it means like you make it for and the human it's true it's too hard it it my feeling it look like it's too hard it so and I live in the global South our country our country our our our places this in and a place in the global South it's very least in natural resources which you see in the picture it human can place it have to money animal that grow up we have in the water river now we can take and and benefit from and natural resources and to make the something it benefit it from and every species and use and make it for every species it can use it not only the human the global South in especially in Thailand we are thinking about and this one especially me is and we we decide if everything is around me not far from me it's difficult because it I don't understand what is fun so and that's why and I think about and because of my my my best my basic education I started only in in domestic university in Thailand I never started on brought it so and this one is your university in one of the my team when I was young but it cannot be that I think it's and this is it's about and when I I I never started on board it but I try to understand by reading the book or listening try to listen but my ear is not not function is for the missing in the past that we have to we don't have to really advance with social media so and cry too and listen form and the tape it so and I I understand the language by leaving your lipstick so and I I think it's and this one is very it's important for me because it's and the people we think about and when someone cannot go to study on the board but for me if I think maybe it advantage it makes me feel it's like an orchid in the forest so and we understand about and the theory from the master we understand about and the process from the master of architecture and when we go back and we live here we can understand and adapt it and so and we we think it and we can adapt it some theory not at all don't try to learn from the village people that is near me learn from other people who didn't architect like my wife she's a lawyer she can her way is different from me you know her viewpoint is different from me she's always the comment is my worst your worst I don't understand what is your worst what you do that with it and that but it and this comment is very important because it at a real point it comes from the people who are not architect who are not related about the design but it comes from the common people that's why when I teach that the the students when and I I invite the the the reviewer to come to it sometimes I invite the the boy and the girl to comment it because the children it's very clear it's a very clear idea so and they they are not lying yes they say that they lie or they dislike so I think it's very important uh my meaning it doesn't mean it and you you I think it's an uh study on the board it's very good if I can choose that I choose to study on the board but if I have that I have no opportunity so I have to learn to form the language the environmental the people that excuse me a lot Mr thank you so much uh for sharing your beautiful and important work with us it's been a pleasure to be with you here tonight