 It's a very good Monday morning and this is White 5-4 TV, the best youth TV in Kenya. And my name is Oguda Bradley Sankarakayesu. I hope your weekend was superb, was good. Unfortunately it was not so good for Ram Aguko Hudu host this morning's show. And he's sick, he's about sick and we pray that he becomes better as soon as possible. And it's a bit rain in Nairobi, cold as usual in Nairobi and it's a... It's good to be up on this TV morning. We want to thank God for this day. And as we say good morning to our viewers and all the Kenyans, it's good for us to appreciate that it's a blessing to be here. And we also want to thank the entire KBC family for giving us this opportunity to talk to fellow Kenyans and have conversations around issues that affect us. You are a governance expert. Yes, so my name is Kenyodue. I'm a governance expert and I'm also very involved in matters of leadership and youth development. And I'm also a parliamentary aspirant for the Butula constituency in 2022. Oh, you're going to buy? Yes, sir. Oh, that's nice. My name is Oguda Bradley Sankarakayesu once again and I'm a senior comrade. So my senior comrade ship is going to help here. In delving in this matters politics of the day, we are going to start with the newspaper review and with me here is the Pipo Daily. And in the front page is the nomination test for the Big Four. So the Big Four here are the D.P. William Ruto, former Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga and then Kalonzo Musioka and then Musalim Davadi. It is not news or it's not strange that one of these four are going to be our next CEO of the country. Now this paper is saying that there is big headache in who they are going to be choose as they are running matters, as they are fumbling on balancing the tribal axis of Kenya, rewarding those who have been loyal to them and all that. So brother Kennedy, who do you think? Why do you think this is quite a matter in this country? I think our politics has always been shaped or rigged in a very, in a tribal and sometimes they will call it political party patronage, but it's fairly and largely tribal. So you realize that this, the way we've organized our politics in the tribal setting, we are in a situation where loyalty matters more than performance. So you realize that for all these tribal big wigs, all of them have their loyalists who have been drumming up their support and who have been on their side. So it becomes a headache when it comes to nomination because now someone who has been with you, some of them are even doing the dirty work for the big wigs and now there is another person who is more qualified and the people who can relate better with the people. So it becomes a headache when it comes to the time of nominations and as for the issues of the running meds and whoever will be the CEO, I think for me at the moment it will be a bit of a tough call to make because as we know we are still having some background, background arrangements and as we all know the organizations, all these people are trying to protect their interests. So in protection of their interests and that's why you hear, of course you will hear them talking, everyone trying to pull in their corner, but it's just a matter of everyone trying to raise their stake so that they can go again. What do you think is going to be your guess, your wild guess to be deputy presidents running meds or which region do you think is going to come from? I think in my opinion there is a way, if you look at the way things are going, it's a tough call to make because if you look at everything, you can see a situation where everyone is either being pulled or everyone is pulling away from the dipping. There's a deliberate, either deliberate attempt by someone or deliberate attempt to alienate. So you join him or to push away from him, depending on the area from which you come or something. Yeah, because look at the way things are going. You find these people always meeting either statehouse, these small organizations, you see even conversations around, you find that the DP is a man running his own show singularly with a few, let's say, members of parliament and senators, but when you come to those who consider the big fish, I feel like there is someone or there's a force that is pulling the rest of the others. You see, they write Honare Borrello, Dinga, Musalim Mudavadi, Kalonzo Musioka, Moses Wetangula and even Gidion Moe because at the end of the day, you may dispute, like you may write of people like Gidion Moe, but Gidion Moe comes from a certain, there's a certain representative part of our society that he comes from. And as a person, he comes with something. So deeper analysis will tell you that that is also another part of an equation. But then you realize these people are being pulled in one corner. The only problem we have is how these people are going to agree and share whatever is on the table. Back to my question, you are wild guess on who do you think DP may choose. Then you will tell me the former prime minister who do you think, if you can't name the real person, then you name the area that person is likely to come from. In my opinion, the DP will be better served with the running made from the Mount Kenya region. And the former prime minister? The former prime minister is also angling for the same. We'll get deeper into that when we get to our youth and politics segment. Now there is another story of this lady on page two. Page two says police intensify hunt for the suspected killer. There's this lady called Kungogo Caroline. This lady has been on the run now. I think this is the second week. Why do you think it's our detectives something? Why don't they get this lady? What do you think is the problem here? I think for me the first thing I would like to say is that as a country, I usually say as a country we are a sick nation. People are going through a lot and it's high time as a government the government came up with mental health. It's time that as a country we discussed mental health as a serious issue. You think this lady is a mental health victim or something? I don't think someone can just work up and start killing people unless there is something that has happened and at the end of the day, such reactions always as a result of someone's inability to handle extreme psychological deviations from the norm. On the detectives, I believe this is someone who has been in the system. Yes. As a police. As a detective. Is it considered a corporal law? Yes. So as a person who has direct access to the system she is someone who knows how everything operates. So it's easier for such a person to escape the arm of the law. But at the end of the day I believe in the long term, in the long term the law will be apprehended and I think it's just a matter of trying to enlighten the public because now she's a national she's a security threat to the people. But I think as we even discussed that issue it's also good to take the other side off the conversations so that we try to understand why are we getting where we are? Because at the end of the day this is not a new case it's just being amplified because maybe she's a cop. But we have people killing people everywhere because of small disagreements we have a lot of cases of gender-based violence and these are issues now I come back to the issue of mental health. As a country, as a society we've never embraced mental health to the levels where we should. You are in the news nowadays like top five from one to sixth news item about killings. That is unfortunate as a country. I hope we will get back to what we should be because it should be a peaceful nation people should not be fighting each other but it's about COVID. Do we entirely blame the COVID pandemic for this? No, for me COVID has come but like I always say as a nation we had already sank by the time COVID came so COVID is a good cover up. But you know as a people I think it's high time we also relook at everything. COVID has really affected people because as a country we were not in a position to come up with real-time measures and as a country I always say we are an emergency country we wait for things to happen and then we mobilize ourselves around that. We are very reactive. So COVID now was not a one-off thing or a two-days thing the way floods will happen in Mudalangi and then we can mobilize they are brave, they will be as small maybe Solaidam will collapse that is the situation we are used in. So when we go into a situation where we have an elongated period of a pandemic it becomes very difficult to handle. Just a little on that COVID there is something in P3 that is a bizarre like they are discussing several ways people are fighting COVID in P3 and first it's about some Indians. They don't know who told them but they believe that when you smear koudang all over your body then you are safe from COVID. There are also people this is India there is a photo of some Indians, some human beings green all over their body because omepaka koudang all over their body I don't know how koudang but I think these people believe in cows are sacred, kettle are sacred according to them so it's like it's everything that comes from the kettle is just enough for them to protect them but that is weird there are also people there are also al-Sabab just the next door who believe that they have called their people those the loyalists of the al-Sabab to reject their AstraZeneca vaccine and entirely depend on honey that if you take black seed honey then you are safe like that is their prevention that is how they vaccinate themselves you just take honey then you just good and then there is another story coming from Spain there was a lockdown in Spain it's not been fully opened now so you are not allowed to walk out unless you are walking out a pet like when you a pet wants some exercise so you are walking your pet there was a guy there who decided to there were two people who did bizarre things about that because you are allowed to walk with a pet and people like really need to walk out so somebody tied a chicken started walking with this chicken that the chicken is the pet and there was a person who also took a bowl of fish walking with fish in the street that the fish is the pet and now is walking but this particular guy was arrested and then there was also in which country is this UK there was lockdown and everything was shut down and the people who are most affected ladies or I call them in Kenyan language slikwins who the lips shop the shop that does their lips was shut down and now they had very dry lips and everything was out of place for them they saw a photo of a lady injecting her lips with some drug I don't think that was I think the alternative that they were given that they can do and now they are saying that those who depended entirely on those who do their lips have very dry lips now and they very desperate on what to do because they say the lips like doing the lips should spread the coronavirus faster so they are avoiding all that and then lastly in Belgium city there is this say that there poops everywhere I find this very strange because I take these places like Belgium the European countries has very developed but they say that the public toilets have been shut down because of COVID-19 so like adults do it the way we used to do it when we were young in the village just in the open and there poops everywhere so it's like worldwide coronavirus has wrecked a havoc but as Kennedy says I don't know whether it's only in Kenya where this you said you told me before that this is just a scapegoat and you see it's wrecking havoc in the whole world and the countries that we don't think could act weirdly are acting weirdly what do you say about this Kennedy? Yeah I think to clarify something on like for their countries yes their lockdowns but the lives of the people have not been shut the way the lives of the people in Kenya have so in society where people are already organized and their systems are functioning it was easier for them to come up with measures that will ensure that okay yes life has been disrupted but their strategy is to ensure that to mitigate to ensure that people don't fall into their abyss for what is happening like for example for the people who are rejecting the COVID there are even people in Kenya who there's been a lot of propaganda about it personally I've gotten both the jobs and I think I haven't felt anything much oh people say there are strange feelings that people feel when they take the job this you confirm that you're okay yeah you get just as you were before you took it you see any new substance being injected into your body even when you take pannadol you'll feel something so it's normal so at the end of the day that's what I usually say it's usually say you'd rather believe there is God so that when you die and there's no God you have nothing to lose than believing there's no God and then when you die you find God and you have to but that is playing two cards like you are in two ways you just believe God you don't have to believe there is God yes even if there isn't you have nothing to lose you don't have to have that option of if there isn't you don't need to have that option so like for COVID I always advise people I've gotten the job I felt the side effects of course but then after three days everything is okay I went for the second one after it was around 10 weeks and I'm good so at the end of the day COVID is scientific we have scientists who've told us the world is largely scientific inventions and innovations that we enjoy today are scientific so we have a situation where there are people who are helped but don't try to create a difference a different set okay the economic consequences and all that aside we need to protect ourselves this is a flu we've seen people die not just the normal it's not like cases where normal people die as in normal in quotes we've seen the big fish we've seen very rich people die so at the end of the day we need to find a way of protecting ourselves and one of the ways of protecting ourselves at the moment is through the COVID vaccine and if it's available I'll always advise people to take it for the people who are marrying and all that stuff like sometimes I say desperate times call for desperate measures but science is science but those desperate measures can't work because I don't think COVID can see kawdang and say this is kawdang now let me keep away I don't know the people who believe that they get careless they say now I'm protected God is protecting them so let's not jagul with our lives let's not think things are normal so you can go to your tradition so that the tradition will inform the decision you are taking let us be strict do what the government has told us because it is science when it gets to the body they saw it react so there are people who have studied this I always call that if there's an expert in a given field you listen to him there are people who there are people who I call no all tell it all who are jacks of all trades we generally call ourselves jacks of all trades that we can decide or we can comment on any other matter so advice that quenedia has also given that you be strict on what you have learnt and if somebody is talking as an expert like our health experts in this country listen to them so that you take their advice let's move from kovid and maybe if I could just mention something yes I would like to remind Kenyans that science is not like law where someone just studies some English and then crams some verses from judgments of 1925 and then we can quote science is a rigorous process that involves even testing using we have guinea pigs we have people taking the risks to have their bodies used as test for the sake of humanity I don't know science is also dynamic like what was there in 70s may be very different that's why I think there is no precedence you know in law there is precedence how was a judgment given in some year in which country it can be used in Kenya now but now the test that was done may be in 70s or 80s or 60s in UK things have really changed like now what was there may not be here so the research may be needed again and again I agree with you there is one page four there is about jitas over Rila's term up in Ukambani tour like they did not expect Rila to go they were really expecting the president and now former prime minister also showed up and now there was a whole discussion of NASA unity and all that why do you think this guy decided to accompany the president to come back when it was not expected you know one thing that Kenyans need to understand is that take away everything from the right for Narebo but Baba is Baba Baba stands up when he is expected sometimes in a good way sometimes in a bad way Baba will disappoint people but the same people tomorrow will be so at the moment you can say Baba is like a co-president yes so Baba can pop up anywhere widow without the president so whenever the president is doing some of this project the right honourable will always be there on most occasions and there is also this word about how the 2022 are arithmetic and all that stuff so personally I will not be surprised if if the president is opening he is launching a project in Busia and the right honourable is there so it's both political and also part of the ministry part of the handshake arrangement where we also know that there is a lot of contribution isn't officially one of the administrators of this government now that you talk this you say there is both politics and the administration as per the government's let me give you an example yesterday I saw him I think he was in Narok and he officially renamed Narok National Stadium Stadium to Olentimama is that his function is he acting extravaneously that's now the magic of being in Kenya that we have people who do not have official public portfolios but they operate like they do so at the end of the day he may not have a position but the truth is at the moment the right honourable is contributing a lot as far as the running of the government is concerned so to a point where if he can ride in an air force chopper to a function if he can be if government functions can be delegated to him because such functions are supposed to be done for example if a function is supposed to be done undertaken by the president the president either delegates to the principal assistant who is the deputy president a minister or any other government official with the with the sufficient designation to do that so when the president designates such functions to the right honourable prime minister it means their duties is undertaking we'll come back to discuss whether these people the NASA people will unite because the person who appeared most surprised that Rila was in eastern Urukambani is former vice president Kalozo Musioka and there was also a whole weekend packed with politics with Selya Mudavari the NC leader speaking something about NASA unity which was not far much positive but we discussed that when we come back to youth and politics there's now this story about Obado Mada case still on page 4 that Obado Mada case start after attempts to postpone it flopped no this is my governor come from Ikori county and what I want you to say about this is whether you think the trial is taking too long because when did this happen was it around 2-3 years ago and now the trial had not started and there was this trial of the lady there was somebody in Mumbasa who was dating Keloche Breweri's CEO or founder daughter and they finished very fast and I think that guy was either quit or sentence or so so that was about one year ago or less do you think the government is flopping or taking too much time in bringing justice especially when this big fish are involved ah without seeming prejudicial on matters that are before a court of law I will just pedestrian you can see the difference because we all know we have a system that is I think skewed towards those people with the resources so you realize that a common Kenyan will be apprehended today and can be send it on the same day but you see when it comes to the big fish now it doesn't matter the crime you will see now the wheels of justice really take engage the lowest gears are engaged you just made a very good comparison the case of the Migori governor and the one of Omar Lali in Lamu actually it took a public uproar for Omar Lali to be released and then at some point the charges were quashed a public inquiry was launched because you will feel like there were exerted efforts to ensure that he goes to jail without due process being followed so you see the two sides and then you realize that at some point I feel like okay we have systems that can work but I think the for the big fish resources can sometimes delay some of the processes especially when the when the defendant on the person on the other side does not have an equal magnitude of so it's a it's a very unfair situation and it's something we need to look at as a system so that we have a system that judges all using the same law and the same rule there's another story on page 5 that there's a motion that has been this being drafted by Garisa Township Adam Doili that commands that if you forward an sms or share a nude on whatsapp group or send to someone sms that is nude or something then you risk being jailed for 25 years 25 years and you know what the youths there the those who are our main audience of this show are millennials and what they do with the nude it's not all of them but a few it's not easy to get an adult or an aged person sending a nude unless there's something wrong with them now brother aura the MP Adam Doili is flooding a motion that says that if you you forward a nude if you send a nude then you can end up spending 25 years in jail you take on this I think it's the same thing I go back to mental health some psychological you think people for nudes because they have mental health no I think as a society we've we've degenerated morally to a point where anything goes so I think it's a good it's a good thing because at the end of the day we've seen stories we've seen stories and all that where people's nudes are being shared it's being now it's being used as a black bean tactic so I think for me it's a good thing it's supposed to deter because at the end of the day you see there was that issue without mentioning it where maybe someone will record you and then use that as blackmail and there are those there are those who even send as a way of seducing people and all those things so I think these are some of the things I will say as a as a as a society we need to build our morals and be able to civilize ourselves mentally to a point where we don't need to engage in such things and I think that will be a good deterrence but 25 years of course is a joke you think it's a joke ah it's a joke so you you don't want people to be jailed 25 years at the same time you don't want people to send this nudes or something I think sitting down to discuss 25 years for someone who send and who took a nude photo of themselves and sent to someone or took your photo while you're doing your thing I think for me we should that that energy will be spent more in trying to craft strategies that we can infuse in our education and academic systems so that people grow up knowing that there's no need to send towards someone a nude or there's no need to they're using it to blackmail leaders yeah they're using it now if we raise we need to create a society in the system where our young people our young people are able to understand their value to a point where you don't need to to expose yourself for your value to be seen and for the for the for the young boys you don't need to see some of these things for you to feel like a man like that without naming names there was a recent video clip of some lady who went with a leader into those private rooms then when this leader was drunk and tired sleeping they took a video of the whole of this person including everywhere and shared it I think they were they didn't share it first that this lady was like demanding some cash that I have your video sent to him and said if you don't sort me this amount then I'll post this video in public and you'll be embarrassed see where we are going as youth of this country I think it's a youth that did that what do you think about this this blackmail things and all that it's a catch 22 for me it's wrong to do that it's criminal to record someone without their consent but at the same time we are as leaders as men and let's stay stay straight to our vows there's no need I usually say as a person we make decisions and when we are making those decisions the problem is that we make decisions but we don't want to be held accountable until something happens so for me it's both sides both of them made a mistake and we need to find a way as a society of ensuring that we live the life that we promise our society we promise our mothers we promise our wives and husbands but at the same time as daughters and sons we also need to live a life that the Bible proclaims upon us so that we are straight citizens we go to school we use to soma to participate in our waza we do business if our parents cannot provide enough for us let's work and make something for us let's humble ourselves live within our means and move forward as a society that's a better society and a safer society for our children but this society we are creating is very dangerous thank you Ken page eight is about the Uda jubili UDA jubili politics in Kiamba and the headline says UDA jubili live nothing to chance in Kiamba campaigns as their last minute campaigns when is this election should be tomorrow something when are the elections in Kiamba I think it's tomorrow we are looking for it but now the campaign ended yesterday something like that so people are going to pause who do you think is going to carry the day here I think I wouldn't make a call I wouldn't make a call considering how things have gone in the bi elections there is a lot of muscle juggling the sibling rivalry between UDA and jubili there is someone who is trying to there is a house that is being considered to be on fire and is trying to demonstrate that it can still stand on its own and there's a new house that has been put up using some of the materials that why that house that has now been put on fire so it's a matter of a new crop that is being pushed up forcefully versus an old crop that is being pushed down so it's a balance so whichever for me whichever way it goes there's no difference these are the one and the same thing we are going to discuss this more on youth and politics that we are just we are going to delve into like in 10 or so minutes but page 11 is talking about what you've been really speaking here about about the mental illnesses there's a report that said that our police especially are very mentally ill our police because of the economy because of what they got through because of platform of things that are not nice to them oh how do you think we can help this I think at the end of the day we need to do a a responsibility analysis it's called a responsibility versus the remuneration of analysis of our civil service if you look at the risks that these people are subjected to you look at the scope of their duty vis-a-vis their remuneration and at the end of the day the problem is not remuneration the problem is do we have capacity building and mental support programs effective within our security systems yes because at the end of the day what these people are subjected we see some of these things even on the road the way some of them are abused we see them being abused by people on the road this person at least we need a system that can ensure that they continually engage through guiding and counseling systems through open systems but we have majorly been raised in a system where the first thing that the police we have grown up in this where the police are this strong and hard people to a level where Kenyans believe they are just a hard storm so you realize that because of the challenges they go through add on to the normal family and maybe you find that there are the challenges that were corporate pushes and all that stuff we need a system that can also provide mental programs to support them because most of them you realize even some of the things that they do on the road some of the things that they do on the road are things that actually you look at them and you realize this person needs help but as Kenyans we have a system that that has refused to accept that everyone needs help so help is basically like reserve for the week I want us to finish on a sports desk and I love local sports more than the international sports I don't know what about you maybe but I'm told here that you're a team I don't know whether it's your team Ingwe like it's in the depression for I love the I love how this guy or do I say I admire how this person gave it headline that there's trouble brewing at the den no den belongs to the Leopards that is a team called Bidco United that just came to the primary recently and they did bid Ingwe 3-1 now that we have a person from western and said tell us what you think about Ingwe that's all we are going to discuss about sports I think on Ingwe the problems are largely political political we have people who have always used AFC Leopards as a stepping stone into politics so you realize they'll come around create a lot of hulabalu around it present themselves at the people and then at the same time you realize that the management part still lacks and that's why I'm saying political because we have people who come with political ideas but then they don't implement the management issues that a club requires so you realize that the club as big as it is it lacks the management structures that can ensure that it's a going concern you think this problem cuts across all clubs in Kenya? it cuts across most of the clubs except maybe for a few like those that are owned in a corporate way like KCB you realize that clubs like KCB maybe Bandari even when Ellie came around with Sofapaka there was a bit of professionalization the issues were minimal the organization but now you realize the Ingwe there was everywhere so you realize even I admire what is happening at Gurne there's some organization that even encourages the funds to mobilize resources for the club you know that's the kind of that's how football is football is a family venture where you come together but now the divisions among us Ingwe the usual fights among us the politicians in western it reflects on the performance of Ingwe because when they come together everyone comes with their own agenda and their own ideas and personal desires thank you we are going to leave it there for now that was what is there in the newspapers for you I said I'm sending in for Rama Guko who is a bit early and we wish in quick recovery so briefly after this we are going to come up come back with the youth and politics myself Kennedy and another person person I respect called Obare Thomas was my leader at the University of Nairobi was my governor at the University of Nairobi so we are going to come back and for now don't touch that time