 You're like an excuse generator. You think they're doing another excuse? This is what happens in slaughterhouses. This, they're trying to escape. Do you think it's funny? We're not, we're not. I'm asking, cause I've been doing it for years, like, and some people do genuinely don't care. Do you use care? Do you care about animals? Do you? Some people just don't care about animals. Cause they don't have empathy. I went vegan because I don't want to pay for this because I've stopped cameras in slaughterhouses myself. I've been in factory farms myself doing investigations. They keep this stuff hidden from people. So these, this is all secretly filmed. Without their permission, they didn't know that the cameras were there. So this is what they normally do? Yeah, and if you see BBC going to a dairy farmer, they pre-planned it. These places are all kept squeaky clean. They propagate this to the public. They show you like humane, high welfare, green grass, all that. It's nothing like that then. How do you get fruit here? Show me your arm. Show me your arm. I'm not. Okay. Should be a no muscle connected mom. Should all of the light dissolved. I've been vegan nearly 10 years. All nine essential amino acids are found in all plant foods. Even lettuce will have all the amino acids, but it will just be low on protein. So you can get beans, legumes, tofu, seitan, which is super high on protein, actually. It's like 80% protein, seitan. What do you think of the mocha meats in McDonald's? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good stuff, yeah. Good, go for it. Actually my big healthy. Who goes into McDonald's for health? Do you? Do you go, oh man, I want a macros for my health. Do you go into macros because you want a burger? True? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you want a vegan burger, you don't go, oh, it's not healthy. Like, bro, see me as a vegan, right? I'll eat healthy food. I'll eat fruits, I'll eat smoothies and whole grains and fruits and vegetables, but when I want some chocolate, I'll get some vegan chocolate. When I want a burger, I'll go to get the McPlan. You can be athletic as a vegan. You don't have to worry about protein as long as you're having a wide variety of whole foods. You know, and you can have some processed food, which is fine. Like, you can have a bit of junk food here and there. Like, naturally all your food's out. Who cares what we naturally are? Really. It's inhuman nature to fucking kill each other. Yeah. All right. It kills your entire family. I'm 100%, watch me. That's what I would call justified. But what we do to animals, they're innocent. They did nothing wrong. They didn't hurt anyone. They're not trying to attack my family. They're vulnerable beings. That's unjustified. I think smart. So, I think they're more intelligent than dogs, yeah. What you should care more about is sentience. You know, the difference between intelligence and sentience? Yeah, yeah. So, sentience is your experience, everything you feel, everything you see and hear and perceive and your emotions, things like that. Intelligence is just logic in how you can calculate things and think of intelligence like a computer and sentience like your experience, everything you feel and see and consciousness. So, what matters more, intelligence or sentience in terms of morality? Intelligence. Intelligence. So, I should have more rights if I'm smarter than you, yeah? Probably, yeah. So, I should have more rights than all of you? Yeah, because we have more rights than all of you. I'm smarter than you because you're not vegan. We swear, that's correct. I'm smarter than you because you're not vegan. What do you think about vegetarians? They still consume dairy, eggs, leather, wool, all this, all this. Vegan is an ethical principle about animals. That you... Oh, my God. It emanates out to all animals that are sentient. Do we have a duck, a genie? Yeah, probably, he's like some roadkill on the floor if I was going to die or whatever, for sure. Yeah. But I'm not in that situation, man. We've got a choice now. What do you have to kill it? What if it's like zombie apocalypse? Oh, yeah, different, bro. I'm killing... Mate, zombie apocalypse has gone down. But we're here right now. There's no zombie apocalypse. There's no survival situation. How can you justify not being vegan? Well, what people in third world hunches to recognize people, too. It depends what you mean. Which country, Tommy? Laos. Laos? Yeah. Laos, they're eating rice and vegetables and bananas and soy tofu, cheapest food per calorie on earth is rice. So third world countries should be having plant foods, not feeding all their plant foods to animals to eat the animals. I still think animals should have rights in third world countries. I think we should be trying to get food to people in third world countries and stop feeding all the food to animals and eating the animals. Because chickens and pigs... What are chickens and pigs eat? Harvested crops. What do you think about Uncle Jake? I chatted to his brother. He doesn't care about animals. He told me he doesn't care. I don't care at all. There's nothing he can say to want to convince him. Yeah, don't really care. You don't care about chickens? So I can stomp all over them then, eh? Yeah. So should we not be cruel and stomp the animals? I think it's called a killer animal. I don't know if it matters if it's pain or... It's an animal. I think it matters to the animal if you torture them first, but I think it also matters that you murder them and take their life from them when we didn't need to. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, bro, what are we going to eat? I've been vegan for 10 years, bro. You can get vegan every... I'll just explain you can get vegan everything, but I think it's a little bit catarious. Yeah, do you think the fact that you like the taste of something justifies killing them? Yeah, because I'm an animal, though. Biologically. I know, if I need to eat other animals. You're often like an animal, bro. You don't act like an animal in nature. If I chucked you out in the jungle, you'd die. I think I would. You'd die. But I'm an animal. Well, you're not a predator. Wait, so it's a shark, you're not an animal. Mate, you're not an apex predator, dude. You don't eat animals. You go to the shop, right? I do. You know where you eat animals, but they've been processed for you. They've been slaughtered for you. You haven't chased them down, stabbed them in the throat, killed them yourself. Nobody. I wouldn't do that. I honestly didn't think you could. I honestly don't think you have the heart. I don't think I could kill a chicken. I don't think you could stab a knife into a bird right now. Do you know any animals like an animal does in nature when they need to? You eat them because you want to. Yeah, but you consume other animals and then the other things, anyway, is that's the circle of life and you have to eat something to kill it. It's actually the circle of killing, needless killing. Circle of factory farms, slaughter and torture. That's what it is. It's got enough of it. You walk in the shops, you buy your meat, you've got a choice. A lion does not have a choice and you're nothing like an animal in nature. How old are you, bro? You're only young. You're only young. You're a smart, how old are you, bro? Uh, 15. 15. You're wise. What do you think about this, bro? I think that needs to change their ways. With obviously this, I'd still eat meat, but this is a bit more of the wrong thing to do. It wouldn't stop me from eating meat. Every action you take has a reaction. Yeah. So when you go and buy this meat, this is what happens to the animals, yeah? You're comfortable, you're happy with that. I'm not happy with it, but meat is meat. That's like my mentality. You can get vegan products, you know that. Yeah, I think when vegan products get developed more with, like, under, like, tested properly, because right now when vegan meats, like, the only one that I'd eat is tofu right now. So you wouldn't eat a McPlan? Nah. Why not? Tofu kills meat. You went to health, aren't you? That's right, you just told me before. So tofu is great. Tofu, what did you say? Tofu kills more animals? You got evidence for that? I've literally seen a tofu farmer see it. They kill, like, all the insects and all, like, the... Tofu farmer, right? You're talking about that idiot on Joe Rogan? I haven't seen him. Oh, OK. They talk a lot of these people, anti-vegan dumbasses, they just... They're trying to go out vegans. They don't have any evidence for their claims. If you think growing plants kills more animals than killing animals, you need to provide evidence. Because most of the soy on earth has been fed to animals that people eat, so you've got to calculate the plants that the animals are being fed to. Everything is processed, everything's cool. It's all for profit. Some people make excuses, other people take the information on and they take action. There's two types of people in the world. Are you going to take action? I don't know how to take action. The meat is already in front of you, so the animals are already killed. But I think the best way to make a difference is to go and, like, burn these small monsters here. Burn the slaughterhouses down? Yeah. Are you going to do that? The best thing to do, the legal thing to do would be just to put them out of business, stop giving them money, boycott them, because they only kill the animals for you guys. But then other dudes would just eat the animals. Yeah, they'll just eat it. Yeah, but other people do horrible things all the time. We can't just go, oh, other people are going to do it. Therefore, I should contribute to it, because there's animals that just get slaughtered just for you. It's useless. Just for you. If I stopped, I'm going to change it. I could make that argument for murder, too. You could say, if I didn't murder this person here, people are still going to get murdered, so I'm just going to go murder people. That's a stupid argument, bro, like, just because you can't stop other people from doing it doesn't mean you shouldn't have your own morals and act in a certain way. Does that make you better than us? In terms of what? In terms of animals. In terms of kindness to animals, 100%. What you are contributing to to animals is evil. It's unjustifiable. It's f***ed. I'm doing my best to try to stop this from happening to animals. You were a vegan when you were, like, 24, 26. 26. If you were a vegan since you were, like, 10, I probably wouldn't be, like, the same age. You've been vegan for 10 years, nearly. Yeah, but you're not growing after, like, 21, mate. They're saying, oh, you're talking about health. You're just pulling things out of your arse to try... You're just pulling excuses out of your arse, bro. Most people, because they don't get the same amount of protein. Vegan diets can be healthy for all stages of the life cycle, provided they are adequately planned, well-planned. Most people don't have the money for nothing. It's another excuse. You're like an excuse generator. But you can't let... Another excuse. People don't have money. People don't have money for the... Remember, I just told you that what's the cheapest food on Earth? Rice. Rice. Lentils. Bread. If you're, like, on a farm. How can you use the argument at cost too much? If you're on a farm and you're all dying. Do you answer questions? How can you... How can you use the argument that it cost too much? When is the cheapest food in the world? You won't have a healthy diet, will you? Yeah. You'll mean the healthiest foods are also the cheapest. Okay, what's the healthiest? Fruits, vegetables, beans, grains, legumes, lentils. These are all the healthiest foods. Yeah, like... Nuts and seeds stuff. Tofu's cheap, man. It's, like, two quid a block. That's not cheap. What are lentils, actually? If I was like a starved bitch... Dry lentils, dry beans. Dry... I'll eat only freaking rice. Would you eat meat? If you were a starving child, would you feed all of your rice to a cow over two years and then kill the cow for a little bit of calories? Yeah, if I had actually... I'm saying if you were starving, would that be lost? If you were starving, I'd eat meat, yeah. But I wouldn't go at the same time as the guy who's eating my whole life. Bless you, my friend. But these are terrible, terrible, terrible excuses, you know. How does it tell... Are you saying that a guy who's always eating rice his entire life is going to be, like, at the same level? I'm saying you don't need to eat animals. That's my argument here. Not... What about that man over there? I'm just saying you don't need to. And I'm saying where they're in poorer countries, the plant-based foods are the cheapest. That's what I'm saying. What if I still want to? That's a more honest argument. Because what you're pulling out your arse is bulls***. You're saying this excuse, that excuse, this excuse. When you could just say, I don't give a s***, I don't want to change. That's honesty. You say I don't care enough about animals to change. That's being called being honest, right? Truthful. When you're pulling out all these excuses, it's just lies. I don't want to. True? Is it better to be honest or to make up bulls*** excuses? It depends on the excuses to be honest, but... What I mean by excuse is a reason not to do something, even though you know it's right. My theory is the people that make excuses think this is wrong and don't want to change, they make excuses. The people who tend not to make excuses and don't want to change, just walk straight past. They don't care. Other people take the information on and they change their behaviour and they don't have to make excuses.