 Hi everybody, I am Fedora project leader Matthew Miller and this is our roughly monthly video council call the Fedora Council is the governing body for Fedora at the top level and we try and do most of our business on email and IRC and kind of in tickets not having to depend on meetings, but meetings are useful sometimes and Having a video meeting lets us do high bandwidth things and also kind of Let's us make something that we can share on the internet with the people who can't be here in the meeting So that's that's a useful thing What we tend to do with the video meetings is focus on some part of the project that we're interested in making sure the council knows about you need some attention or has something interesting going on to share and This time we are looking at the Fedora ambassadors the Fedora ambassadors is So Marie asked me to give me to give a brief history. So I'm going to try and do this quickly I'm sure I my summary of it will have some in an inaccuracies So feel free to take me to task later of internet about this, but the ambassadors is one of Fedora's first subgroups kind of a first part of the Fedora project like dates way back to the beginning of time pretty much and the responsibility is You know to be an ambassador between the project and kind of the rest of the world the user community The other rest of the Linux community kind of bring people into the project and also to show What Fedora is all about in some ways it also serves as like the on-the-ground sales Organization obviously we don't sell Fedora But we want to convince people that Fedora operating systems are exciting to use so the ambassador's jobs Kind of take that message out there to people And from you know pretty active beginning. I think there were a time when there were like 600 active ambassadors at a time Actually actually and I can do and stuff all the time There was kind of a slump where the ambassadors Interest and activity declined and there are a lot of reasons for that some of it is Kind of the traditional Linux users groups and those kind of things in just out in the world in the community Stopped it being so relevant just as you know people's attitude towards computing changed and the internet caught on and became the thing and so on and I Felt like the impact we were having by going to some of our traditional Linux conferences wasn't all that great I think also we kind of had a decline in interest in Fedora as people found other things newer and shinier I think we're doing a good job of making Fedora shiny again So that's part of why we have Renewed interest in the ambassadors And it's also the case that I in my early leadership role in Fedora made a mistake Which I call I was wrong about laser tag Sometime I'm going to do a whole talk based on I was wrong about laser tag but the basic thing is The Fedora European ambassadors wanted to have a meet-up to plan their activities for the year and then like do a laser tag activity as a group bonding thing and I was pretty concerned about impact for our money and that just sounded like that was too much fun and not enough Fedora and so I But you know said no no don't do that go Go, you know go for a nerdy dinner and talk about Fedora instead of running around shooting each other with lasers and in retrospect That was really wrong because that fun bonding time brings people together and kind of the energy you get from that I don't know if it's worthwhile it pays for itself over the course of the year and I I see that now and I repent We're gonna make sure that being a Fedora ambassador is fun from now on So there's the background and I think Yeah, also The group had a lot of good mentoring but it also built up a lot of processes and a lot of bureaucracy into becoming a Fedora ambassador and that kind of meant that we weren't getting new people into into the project as well. So Anyways, fast forward to now Marie and Shimontro and Mariana and some other people Justin others have all been working on revamping this Ambassadors into something that can be useful to us now and can kind of connect with our Fedora mind share activities and our marketing messages and Deliver those to people and bring new people into the project and bring the Fedora operating system and free and open source software to more people around the world And so yeah, so there's a revamp which I know a little bit about but I'm curious to hear more apparently there was just Right before this a very exciting kickoff meeting for the new project. So this is like fresh off the presses Their paper is still hot and whatever So with all of that, I'll turn this over For Marie. All right. Thanks Matthew. Thanks for that brief history I'll do a quick intro and then Sumatron Mariana do one as well My name is Marie Norden. I'm Fedora's community action and impact coordinator. I've been in this role since November of 2019 pre-covid times Wow Anyway So I've been in this role since November 2019, but I've been involved in Fedora since 2013 With an outreachy internship I started by doing design and then I just I fell in love with design team And I made friends and I continue to stay involved working on Badges and then getting more involved in like community related stuff and now I'm here awesome Demontra Hey folks, my name is Shumanthro. So thanks Matthew Murray for all the introduction. I Am Shumanthro. I work for the project. I have been in I work for the further QA team And I have been in that position for about from 2016 I participate in the federal docs and I'm a federal ambassador for last I Don't know two years or so. So I have done a lot of activities in India. I have focused on taking federalist prisons to death confidia and Big and small events with these parties in them so I Feel very good to be a part of this initiative And I'm willing to go ahead and work with all of you guys to make this a very very good newly shaped and this work Cool. Thanks. Demontra Mariana Hi everyone, I am Mariana. I am based in Europe, you know, we knew I Met Fedora for the very first time back in 2016. I created my fast account during a translation sprint. I Became official ambassador one week before it's and flock in 2017 Yeah, it was a very good first meeting with other ambassadors. I have been mainly organized and participating in local and more international Fedora events and I have probably met many of you in person in some of these events But yeah, this is pretty much about me Okay, what's the format here? Are we doing questions? Do you Don't worry All right Yeah, we have an agenda that we wrote up. Okay Okay, no, it's totally fine. We're excited too So the first thing that we're gonna talk about is like how the revamp came to be and I won't go Like on it too much But I do want to give you guys a little bit of the perspective from mine So, you know, Matthew has his long-term perspective. I have a little bit more of an interesting piece for you So if you are unaware of Hela's works, I'll just quickly talk about it. So red hat Hires me to work on Fedora's community and help you guys, right? So I am employed by red hat So I have a team within red hat and there I have a book club, right? So at the book club we read a book called switch how to change when change is hard Right. So we got through this book and it really talks about you know, how to Make those small subtle changes that make can make a huge difference like just making the path easy for people to do a task It makes all the difference, you know, so We took that my book club took that and use the Fedora ambassadors as a case study on How we could do a change, right? So the mailing list or one of the tickets or something got kicked up again, right? and I had these these case studies and I had all those stories in history and Everything I heard from my fellow contributors over the years about the ambassador program and I took those two and a bunch of caffeine and I Hacked for two days and wrote this proposal because I said It just someone just needs to sit down and do this and it can't just be a paragraph It needs to be Really a full picture of what this is going to look like, right? So from my perspective that is how the revamped proposal Name to be so from that point We got feedback from the community and We actually did get some really valuable feedback from the community For example, like we've involved the joint SIG under this umbrella because they do community outreach So we were trying to like, you know, incorporate them like oh, we want you to be in these meetings We want you to do these things but the joint SIG is actually a really low-barrier to entry Group of people who said no, that's just not for us, right? So we incorporated that feedback and we changed it or try so part of my idea for the whole thing was that to keep all of the Titles, right? We have ambassadors. We have advocates. We have the comm ops team and we have the joint SIG We have four groups that are doing community outreach and they all want to keep their identities, right? So how do we structure these roles in a way that makes sense that's not confusing and And and in a way that's clear and okay makes sense for me to be in this because I have You know, I can hang out on this IRC channel like a joint, you know, I have the capacity Help with joint or I want to run events. I want to be an ambassador, right? So We just want to clarify like what all these different things are doing and make it and just clear up the confusion around What it means to be an ambassador right now I think another important point of this I was just talking a whole bunch about this Very passionately in the kickoff meeting that this is a chance for us to modernize What being a Fedora ambassador looks like? So we you know, we've You know Matthew was saying like this is one of the first programs within Fedora Old program things used to work a lot differently than it they do now And they I think Justin told me this story that like there's other ambassador programs that model what they do after what Fedora has done So is this another chance for us to be first? As we this is a foundation for us be first in the way that we do our digital and batter Ambassadorship and also, you know, like the new age of meet-ups and what those look like and Also just accepting that we're in COVID times and that what we form right now might have to change a little bit as time goes on So that's how this came to be and I am now going to hand it over to Simantro And he's gonna talk about some of the desired outcomes that we're really looking for so the the one of the things that we focused on like Murray said was Setting the expectation rights of the very first thing that we wanted to focus was to learn from the outreach teams and the teams that are doing Outreach so one of the biggest things that we did was we took we looked at Fedora join and we started learning How they onboarded on how they onboard? Contributors how that helps them keep the thing going and we wanted to bring that model up And we make sure that we we gather, you know Some representation from join and every other sake not like just join wanted to bring people from commas wanted to bring people from Translations went to bring people from docs and we wanted to ask them how they are Helping the outreach keep the outreach keep the onboarding for that particular team one thing that we wanted to really nail down over here was to make sure that the onboarding and onboarding of new contributors and letting people be and express how they want to Contribute to the project and as an ambassador To be much better than before that's one of the goals that Ride go ahead now one of the things that came even in the last meeting that we did Few minutes ago boys in this entire process We have started dividing the entire structure of how we want to achieve these goals into Trello board and which Mariana is gonna talk about how we want to implement but overall The the whole idea is we have broken back into multiple very small granular tasks And we are asking help from Ferrara volunteers, which the kickoff meeting was all about We wanted to ask questions and gather the volunteer mindset from people to help us Accomplish some of those tasks The in the areas that they are involved in so if if someone has volunteered from commops They would help us achieve in a reshape the entire purpose of commops and how the structure of the teams inside commops This is one major task that we are starting off with if If you guys have noticed we have opened up two tickets one in the DNI Asking for a survey and one in the commops, which would basically be you know trying to figure out who is considered to be an active ambassador and Just do a run-up of or rather the cleanup of the entire ambassador group so that gives us some room Gather the inputs from the DNI team and then help shape Interviews and pass it on to the people who would then form Something that we are calling as a rule or a rule book and that would define the role of Every single team in this entire process and how they are going to participate how are they going to contribute and everything that we are doing is Transparency that's put on a board so And can you share the trailer board? Oh merited so that's good So that's our source of truth as it is safe and that is Going to contain all the information all the past who is going to work on it when is the deadline Everything is going to actually Someone's screen share that so it's on the video because the chat links don't get stored. I can I can go ahead and do that But I think Mariana's going to talk about the Trello board. Okay. Yeah, Montrose talking about outcomes Okay. Yeah, sorry focus on that to Montrose. You got this. Yeah, so Yeah, the outcome here is that you we would get Modern I mean what a modern 2020 digital ambassador looks like so it's not just about packaging QA documentation design magazine course and stuff like that It's about how we shape the new ambassador program That's the whole idea and we are trying to strive go towards that with the help of a bunch of volunteer and and we are relying on volunteers to do That team so it's acting so with that I Would like to pass on the mic to Mariana or Marie If you want to add something Yeah, I want to add a couple things. So there's some more desired outcomes that I think is important to highlight right here For example contributor fulfillment. That's something that is a hundred percent a goal for me Like in this process we want Ambassadorship to be fun something that people are enjoying doing that There is some incentive and just being a part of this fun organization, right? so I think that Intributor fulfillment is gonna be a big part of that and that's why I'm I'm trying you know Focusing on with the TTF the temporary task force what they want to be doing has ambassadors, right? Which TTF is funny because I think of a tiff, but I know that it's a short for like so many things But anyway, we don't have enough acronyms in Fedora. So let's make some more. Listen, this one has the word temporary So we can hope that it actually won't stick around for that long. Okay, so Like some mantra said modernizing what it means to be ambassador Clarifying all the the role the structure right just if we're gonna say the TLDR more successful outreach and onboarding and Just a general like it just makes sense There's a structure and it makes sense and we're all working together and not like Overlapping in all these different ways, right? So those are what we're looking for the desired outcomes So now Marianna if you want to talk about the Trello board, I will share my screen right now Okay. Yeah, sure So first of all, I would like to say why some mantra and myself are in this position When this idea was proposed from the mind share, I think that happened in July So the mind share proposed the free names of people that could be the Colleagues for this initiative and so the names was myself and so mantra. I think you can find that To get it is a closed issue on the mind share rep of for everyone that might have Though I might want to have a look The very first step was to create a Trello board first of all the mantra Maria and myself have met Every week starting from July and we have been talking about how to Start and we created a Trello board, which is the one that Maria is sharing right now We have added here some tasks and ideas that we want to work on Together with everyone within the Fedora community and the idea is have everything visualized here So we can keep track of Of the progress for each activity and the people that will that are and will be involved in this smaller tasks the idea is to have Every team within Fedora to be involved and help us with this for example for now There are two tickets open the DNI ticket where we have asked the DNI team to conduct a survey and The come-of-same to conduct interviews with the community members You can go around The Trello board yourself and check everything that we have put there so far We would love to hear your thoughts and proposals and ideas About it. I'm sure that The more people that are involved with this the more ideas will have So yeah, this is pretty much Right anything? No, that is awesome And and we also have things, you know here for ourselves that you know just past that The co-leads and myself will be working on like organizing the call with the volunteers Sending updates to Ben potting to get into his weekly updates those kinds of things Well, I'll post specifically from the co-leads giving updates to the community Better etc. So there's a lot of moving parts to this I'm gonna say if there's something missing on the Trello board It's actually just missing because we haven't gotten there yet So if it looks like there's something missing it is and and we're gonna get to that at some point There's a lot a lot to do and a lot to coordinate here so that's a general overview of Where things are at we have really kind of somewhat semi exciting news, which is We've proposed that this initiative become a fedora objective So at the council face-to-face we were talking about objectives and what's gonna be next what's next for fedora And I was like do we do non non programming objectives and and Matthew was like yeah, totally We've done a university outreach before and I was like there is so much work here that needs to get done. This is a perfect a chance to you know Do a non programming thing for an a fedora objective? So we've started the process for that as well. So super excited about the visibility that that will create and The recognition that it to all the people who get are involved in that effort, you know We're really trying to incorporate so many different people from mindshare to be a part of this effort whether it be You know some small tasks Like some updates to documentation or a logo or a badge or something like that or you know Sumatra or Mariana who are super leading the effort So, yeah, that is an overview and I think I'm gonna stop sharing my screen and then we can take questions First question, where can people who are interested in this go to learn more? Okay, so there's various links that I will drop right here for you But you said you can't see the chat in the recorded video. That's true. So Well, is Ben gonna upload this later? He can include links with it We'll make sure there's some links below the video, right? So first here, there's the Trello board, right? And that's where you're gonna find path Okay Those are gonna be like the down to the nitty-gritty like write an email send it wait two weeks follow up You know gather the the feedback in a document and you have each one of those things Can you hear my audio? So some for me some people can some people can okay, so that is going to be Where you're going to get the tiny tiny breakdown of tasks, right? Okay, so overall This is where you can find more information about the plan overall, right? So what is not in that plan are things like timelines and specific tasks So that's a general overview. That's yeah So there's that now say you were involved in The comm ops team already and that's you know, you're comfortable with that team and you want to be involved with that You can go here and this is the ticket that the comm ops team is working on and What they are working on right now is Research interviews with the different teams within mindshare. So this is is the team active What are their current roles and responsibilities? Where are they? Where's their IRC? Where's their documentation? You know, what kind of things do they want to be doing maybe that they're not currently doing so basically research interviews with mindshare Teams such as design documentation websites, et cetera, right? The other one that's open if you're interested in E&I and more like analytics and information gathering they are working on a survey So they're gonna help us with a survey and the idea is to get some really concrete feedback from the ambassadors Right now about what kind of stuff they want to be doing in the future and What they want like the role to look like and maybe some specific feedback on things to avoid So yeah another chance for people to Mold what this new thing is going to look like right? So those are all of the link relevant links for right now You have the Trello board the wiki you have the commops to get the D&I ticket. Oh, there's one more I will bring up here got about There is a ticket on the mindshare repo and we're just using that to communicate with Volunteers for the time being until we kind of solidify who's gonna be Able to stick around and have the capacity so if you do want to get updates Right to your inbox You can put your name here and comment say hey, I want to get involved and then you'll get you know We'll always like okay the next meeting is gonna be this time and it'll be on the ticket and you can you can join in So we did have a little bit of a short lead on the kickoff meeting. So we're gonna do another one next week For people who are interested or couldn't make it to this one Etc. Etc. What's that link? Did I send the wrong thing? No, you sent it I just it just showed up in the chat until just now for me. So We're sorry. No worries. I'm collecting all these links so we can put them Thank you appreciate that. So yeah, that's where you can You know comment and actually get it to be a part of the TTF, right? So if you're in a mind share a team already Some ten a task will come your way that has to do with the ambassador revamp But if say you have extra cycles or something you really are interested in or say you have an idea of You know what you think a cool idea of what you think a modern ambassador might do Just come in and share that with us. Oh, there's one more thing What's up? I just remembered Who has that hack and be here it is So we did take some link or some meeting and put we did take some notes during the meeting Thank you to mantra So that's our notes in the first meeting Bunch of people show up plenty of interested people so really excited any any other questions more questions Matthew I'm busy copying links here So many links so many links All right, so you said that we didn't have a timeline on things Can you can you give a rough timeline if we have an objective that generally is a 12 to 18 months kind of Thing like what will how will things look different at the end of this objective in 12 months How will things look different and how will things you know six months 12 months 18 months what right, right? So I would like to I I don't want this to go longer than a year. That's my hope I think there is you know Some lean not leniency, but as far as the fact that we're contributing, you know, I'm not a contributor I'm speaking as in In the plural we we're contributors So there's a certain amount of like we only have this much time and sometimes Bedlines or things that timelines we set for ourselves need to get pushed back Nonetheless, I would like to see it happen personally In 8 to 10 months That's what I'm foreseeing. I would really like that to happen I think maybe a year is a little bit more reasonable It's a lot of work. There's a lot to be done and You know each little detail needs to be followed up on so That's why I have some mantra on Mariana With me to help do this So I'm thinking yeah, like 8 to 10 months and I'm the long end would be a year Okay Mariana So Montreux, what do you need for this to succeed like how can we help? From my perspective, this is in the very early stages, but probably We will need a little bit more time in order to get in depth and And then we will ask for help Okay Don't wait too long to ask for help if there's something we can do Let us now so we have asked for help and we have the temporary task force They have a very specific Thing that they're going to be working in and I can leave you it's within the trail It's a link within the trailer board. So it's one of the cards It's this card the final I update and finalized come up steam structure. So, you know If you wanted to get involved as a volunteer Right here like if you want to help in a that kind of way This is where to go and to look at these things and say I want to work on this and I'm going to go ahead and start it What we need I think is a couple things patience patience this ambassador program is one of the oldest programs in You know Fedora's history, right and it's been in this kind of limbo state for some time now. I don't want to Call out dates or anything. There's been years Yeah, okay, so it's been years. So let's just have a bit more patience as we are working through this There are so many details Another thing is there are going to be things that have been tried in the past that didn't work that we might try again and that's sometimes hard for Older contributors to just be okay with and You know what if it fails again, that's also okay Like part of how we're going into this is the mindset that failure is a part of change There's an expectation that some things might not work and we need to adjust and redo so as a community We can give each other the best of an Assumption of good intent on the work that is being done by the volunteers here Yeah, so that that I think is a big thing also support Recognizing, you know the TTF and Sumatra and Mariana for like the great work that they're doing and You know supporting them throughout the whole process checking in with ourselves like During the process like are we getting burnt out on this like so that some of that kind of stuff We're gonna have to do for ourselves, right? But It isn't just totally about the work We do need to work from the community and there's gonna be times when we come to your team and say We want to you know be able to rep you as ambassadors give us some information So when those moments come be ready to You know write up a short brief or send us the documentation Or send us in the right direction or to the right person So these are the kinds of things that the overall community can help us with as we go through this Yeah, that sounds great only questions from Matthew today. Nobody else Justin's video stopped working. So What's that Justin I got to ask my question I was like, I'm a little biased because I was in the meeting No, the other day, so I got to ask my questions there. Do you want to ask them now as a repeat? So that other people can hear them Answers I guess there's just the one thing that Just the one thing I thought was interesting that came up is just thinking about how we can be a little more Decentralized thinking about how we support people who are doing local events then and obviously some of that's a little hard now because of COVID but once we do get back to that place where we're doing more local events finding ways to where we've gotten really good on process Over the last few years with the mind-share process for getting swag and for getting people Funding and support like the process is good But there's other things that we could still do better for people who are in different places like the experience I have as an ambassador and in the in the US in a near a big city is a lot different from Mariana or Nasir who work in or who live in places that you know There's not a red hat cost center there necessarily which just makes it harder for us to work in In terms of logistics for things like how do we get packages there and customs and Something that takes five days to get to me takes a month to get to someone else So I just think there's lots of interesting Patel Going forward not to focus too much in on swag But I know that that's we all like our stickers. We all like our our pens which the nest swag was super cool by the way But I think there's cool. There's interesting opportunities for us to think about how we Can be more decentralized to think more local with the program and that's what makes me really excited That kind of came up at the end of the chat in the last hour, but It's something that has been I've always thought about for a long time I feel like we can do better and I'm excited because I feel like this is the chance to Really try out some of these big ideas Yeah, that was just something not really a question more like a comment, but no, it's a great comment I think it's a great comment because um it So it raised an interesting question too because you know For me the person who's in the community manager role facilitating all that having one process To do this kind of stuff is actually like really simple and makes my job easy Like decentralizing it actually makes like my role As the fk like a lot more challenging and this is just a revelation. I'm coming to in this moment with you all And uh It's it's interesting and I'm going to kind of reflect on what I did for the nest swag too But I do think that It's going to be case by case basis And I'm not sure how we're going to be able to promote that idea Like here's the process, but it's if it if one aspect of it is not going to work for you That's okay That is okay and we can work around that aspect like say we can't ship things to you but we can Make a purchase at a local t-shirt shop You know I can call in the credit card or whatever it might be And then you have your swag in a week or two or something like that and that's you know, you won't have the same variety That we have in our fulfillment center, but you'll still have swag. So I think that there's No process that's going to work for all of them I think the best thing we can do is have a generalized process And customize it for a situation So that's my worry. We have the open source ethos a lot Go ahead Simantro. Go ahead Simantro So we have another question on the chat from Sayek there's You know, how do we ensure that our awesome leaders don't Get born down with all the work involved in planning All right, so as of right now me and Marianne and Simantro um meet weekly And I am responsible for checking in on them I've made myself responsible for checking in on them and saying how are you guys doing Is this too much or you know, let's talk about what people are saying on the mailing list. Are you guys feeling okay? um You know Or you know, some person kind of opened a rude ticket here and now you know, we need to address this together and processing that after and You know Simantro was dealing with some computer problems So we just like pause things for a little bit to let him take care of that. So, you know, I'm trying to do my best to support them and You know kind of mentor them in some of the program management and community management aspects And then for me, it's kind of my own Uh Responsibility, right? So I check in with Matthew and Ben And they tell me Marie you're getting a little crazy I check in with my manager and he says man, you need to take a day off Or I you know, give a presentation to my department at work and everyone sends me messages like You're gonna take the vacation or what right? So, um, like So I I have uh, a lot that I do and I've worked into my life to Help like process and deal with uh, this job. It's a big challenge, you know So I appreciate the question. I'm I'm looking out for Simantro and Mariana We'll be looking out for the team all together and I have my Fedora try out to kind of keep me Grounded but that's a great question. And I think it's an important part of any Any team especially if we're scaling, right? Yeah, this is something that we at the fedora council meeting Talked about a lot back when we could go to prog. Oh, that was so nice going to places. Um, we talked about you bringing people into the fedora council and having a Council buddy kind of a mentor into being on the council And so it sounds like for this proposed objective Marie Is already serving that role. So that that's awesome um, I We've never had co leads for an objective before I think this is a big enough Thing that that that can make sense. We'll have to figure out how exactly that works in practice um, so my thought was so my thought was that um Since I'm already on the council all the time I'm like the backup that's kind of always be there DuMontro, Mariana can make the meeting as possible and like since we're not doing like face-to-faces right now As far as like budgetary concerns about having to do, you know travel for two people, etc, etc I'm not really too concerned about That even then it wouldn't even have like that huge of an impact necessarily it would depend but So for now, I'm just like I think they should both be a part and between the three of us will always be able to provide an update and Yeah, and practically speaking you know this You also share a vote if it comes to a voting situation I don't know if we'll have anything super contentious planned or coming up, but You know the combined seat gets one vote. So you have to agree on your vote first things as well I get my own vote too. I get one in one and a third vote What's that? Just kidding. Just kidding mariana swancher. You can share it happen. Yeah, I mean it is since it is a consensus vote Anyways, it isn't like a score kind of thing. It two out of three. All right, cool It's an interesting Well, we'll see we'll see how that comes up if it happens, but I'm not super worried about that No, neither. I think it'll work out fine So I have fair bit of idea I was in constant. So I have a fair bit of idea voting system Yeah I guess I want to thank everybody for working on this because it's been something that's you know, it's been one of those areas of Sort of a fedora, I don't know landscape that's been kind of neglected for a long time And it's great to see all the energy around it because it is a really important part of the project Dustin don't say fosco. Sorry My early very failed attempt at this You guys want to hear a funny story so when I um, I got into the fk role like I had Me, Ben, and Matthew got together and so that they could read off like a four page document or something about my to-dos Right I don't know. I might be fine print or four pages of fine print. Yes And at the bottom in all caps it said don't go anywhere near ambassadors Not your first thing. We didn't want to set you up to fail but I think you've got you've got you've got grounding in this now and Yeah, I've been able to like built this up into a way that you are now. I think set up to succeed in it. So that's awesome definitely I'm really really excited to see where it goes and I think we're going to see some new things some exciting and fun things and yeah, there's going to be like about 300 tiny little tasks do But that is you know me and Marianne and Sumatra's job to track those and make sure they get done so exciting times guys Um, that's all I got if there are any more questions then I think we're we're good to go Thank you so much everybody again and We're gonna stop the recording See you next month See you guys. Thanks all this was this was great