 I've been reading quite a lot about chat GPT. I saw an article in the New York Times just on the weekend But I understand one of the commands is explain it to me like I'm a five-year-old or a ten-year-old So could you please explain it to me as though I was a five or ten-year-old? Chat GPT is like having access to a really smart assistant It knows about a lot of things it draws information from books from websites from other sources I can answer your questions. You can tell you stories Maybe can write some rudimentary poetry But What's really important to know is that this assistant sometimes makes mistakes So you have to be really careful with the information that Steven you only have to question it and not fully trust it all the time Right, right, and obviously this is huge implications for education generally But could you talk about the implications in particular for post-secondary education? We don't have data on prevalence. We don't have data on how people are actually using it, but potential is really powerful. So for example Students can use it to get help with their writing to improve their grammar to Ask it to say correct their code or give them hints on how Their code might be improved They might invite you to rewrite sections of Writing that they have done to give them counter-arguments so they can think about, you know, what they're writing in different ways Faculty might use it to generate discussion questions. They might provide their lecture notes and ask the program to give them Multiple choice questions back. They can generate rubrics So it can do all sorts of really interesting things. How do you think this is going to affect your your teaching and your research? I'm sort of anticipating and seeing sort of the transformative uses that it will have And preparing people to implement it in transformative ways So I'm interested in essentially figuring out what skills do people need to have to make Good use of this to make effective use of it to make ethical use of it To make engaging use of it They're obviously on some very good transformational uses for this But there are also some risks and some dangers and I wondered if you wanted to elaborate a little more on Those what what you see could be some risks associated with this One of the challenges of this technology is that it basically relies on the data that it was Provided to be trained with to generate the answers, right? So is there the answers that people are receiving when they're asking questions are a reflection of the data that were fed into it So it is very likely that some of that data set reflects societal biases and discrimination right So that is something to keep in mind as people are sort of receiving answers when they're engaging with this technology and Sort of be critical about what is that they're receiving and what those answers reflect, right? They might reflect one understanding of the world, but we know people understand the world in different ways, right? So that's that's significant to keep in mind But much of the conversation so far has focused on these binaries of is it good or is it evil and My approach to it is well, let's figure out. It's it's here. It's present It has issues it has possibilities Let's figure out how we can make the best use of it the most ethical the most equitable use of it Are you particularly worried about plagiarism? Using chat GPT doesn't necessarily mean that a student has cheated, right? They might use it to say Ask it to to provide counter arguments to an argument that they're making Right to expand the sort of their understanding of a topic Which is something that we encourage students to do right go check out other books Go check out other resources who see sort of if what it is that you're writing and thinking about Is consistent with other viewpoints and the problem is our suspicion of students Basically that second technology that we're now talking about Begins by assuming that students are cheating and therefore we will develop a tool to police them and catch them when they do so And I think that's a much bigger problem than the problem of cheating. It's a problem that basically Serves to develop a relationship of mistrust between students and educators And my suggestion is to work more on developing our Relationships with students my suggestion would be to have conversations with student classrooms and say we have this technology What would be the appropriate ways to use it in our classroom? How should we use it? How can we use it productively together? And figure out ways for us to work together on this because it's not going away And I think that will go towards developing this collegial relationships that we Actively need and I should foster Well, George, thank you so much and thank you for For talking today and you know, given your your great knowledge and experience in this area I'm just hugely excited for you and for all of the learners here at railroad's university. So thank you so much Thanks for having me. I appreciate it