 Darius Butler here to talk a little cold. So is Lara Overton, our good friend, under reactions for week nine, and my flagrant avoidance of talking about how my parlay didn't hit, but none of that matters, guys, because it's November 8th. Go vote, do your thing, go now. Don't even watch my show, go vote. Oh, Marlon Humphrey, long time to see. I think we tried to get Marlon Humphrey on the show. Where's the talk about that with Marlon Humphrey? Wanted to get him on the show. He's an absolute star in the making that defense last night. Woo, the flock showed up. The Ravens kept it rolling, dominating the Saints from start to finish. They pick up the 27-13, Marissa's a kind of boring game, but there are some good parts of it, though. It marks the third straight win for Baltimore. So they sit there at six and three, and it's all super interesting at the top, but the beefy AFC is there now, a half game back of Buffalo and Kansas City for that top spot in the conference. And I do think it was important. It might have been boring, fine, and I'll agree a little bit, but it was an important moment because it was important to see the offense figure things out without Mark Andrews and Rashad Bateman, who's done for the year, by the way, awful news. But to be real, this game was completely about defense, and it was about the acquisition from my Bears. The gift you guys gave me years of Jimmy Seafood and a warm hug when I used to come to Baltimore. And I from Chicago brought you not pizza, no, not anything. I brought you Roquan Smith, and he had, what an instant impact, what a tackler, he was all over the field, and it was cool to see, and not only him, a guy I talk about week in, week out. You love when a wily old veteran keeps his thing going and that's Justin Houston. He continues to defy the laws of space and time. He racked up two and a half sacks and an interception last night, and I profiled him. He was the winner of Hit the Lights a few weeks ago, 33-year-old pass rusher, eight and a half sacks. Now in five games this year, he surpasses JJ Watt in the all-time sack list and has been such a driving force of the turnaround on defense that this team has had. So if the Ravens play defense like this, whenever they play defense like this, and it's mostly what they do, they are a serious contender in the AFC, especially considering some of the things going on, the mass of concerns. There's a top dog in the conference named the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen, as we are hearing is being evaluated for a potential injury suffered late in Sunday's loss to the Jets. It is an elbow injury, the ulnar collateral ligament. I'm just gonna say UCL, that's what we call it, right? The UCL hip bone connected to the ulnar collateral bone and it's not worrisome, I'm not gonna overreact, but it's something to pay attention to. We don't wanna think too much into things and we are of course waiting for updates from the intrepid beat reporters and insiders across the league. But whatever it turns out to be, could have a huge ripple effect on that AFC playoff landscape. So as we continue to keep monitoring that situation through the day, you look now at this AFC playoff picture and it gets very, very interesting to say the least, especially in that AFC East part of things. All right, let's bring in now, speaking of AFC, the news of the day from yesterday, trickling into today of course, as it has speaking of ripple effects throughout the entire coaching process to what's going on in the world at large and especially in the NFL here, looking ahead to week 10 as we welcome in our friend, our host, a producer, a reporter, she does it all for the Indianapolis Colts. Lara Overton, hi. Hey, Kay, it's great to see you again. Good to see you, busy 24 hours for you. Very busy, 24 hours, really busy three weeks. You know, it's obviously the latest domino to fall is the decision to move on from Frank Reich and to hire former Colt Jeff Saturday into an interim head coaching role. But you go back, this really started several weeks ago with the benching of Matt Ryan, the move to Sam Ellinger to start at quarterback for foreseeably the remainder of this season, the firing of Marcus Brady as offensive coordinator, the trade of 19 pines. And then this is the latest of those that this organization now is enduring. And one of the messages from general manager, Chris Ballard last night was, we're not throwing in the towel and that this is not all on Frank Reich, that this is the situation that the Colts are in right now. There are a lot of people involved that are taking the blame for it and for the situation that they're in. But they do believe that bringing Jeff in will give them some clarity moving forward on the direction to go from here. So you're saying that you weren't surprised because this has been a couple of weeks in the process. I think the world at large, I was certainly surprised to see Frank Reich part ways yesterday. What is the vibe around the team now with the departure of Reich and the introduction of Saturday? Oh, we are all surprised. I believe everyone, I think the locker room was shocked. Jeff Saturday admitted that he was shocked when he had the offer to become the interim head coach. But this is not the first time that the locker room has been caught off guard. They were stunned by the move to bench Matt Ryan earlier in the season as well. This has just been a few different decisions that had been made when you see the struggles of this offense over the last few weeks that you have Mr. Erste looking at the product from the field looking at the struggles that are there and trying to isolate looking, is it the quarterback? You know, is it the offensive coordinator? Okay, ultimately this is falling upon the head coach when it seemed like that those moves didn't result in any different answers or any clarity from that point moving forward. But no, there's a lot of shock and there has been a lot of shock within this locker room. And in speaking with the players, they feel that they share the blame that they didn't hold up there into the bargain to deliver for Frank. And so they're absolving a lot of the responsibility for this and taking a lot of it upon themselves. So there's a lot of ownership for the lack of success that this team has had in terms of the guys within the locker room feeling like that there's more that they could have done and now they take a lot of responsibility moving forward. Well, the reaction outside the locker room has been incredulous by everyone, right? With the announcement of Saturday taking over with what you've learned and you're so close to the team with what you've learned in the past couple of hours even when this is announced yesterday, why might this move make sense for this organization right now? I think that we received some clarity last night from Mr. Ursay and from Chris Ballard in that the organization had for several seasons attempted to get Jeff Saturday into a role within this building going back to potentially being a position coach or having a role within the front office. So there have been moves to try to pursue Jeff Saturday in some capacity because of the knowledge that he had. You see it, I mean, we see him as an analyst and you see how valued and how respected he is and the incredible insight that he has. That's aside from the resume that he has as a player, a guy who won a championship in this building. So there is that clarity that we have heard in that this has been a move to try to get Jeff more involved. Also, Jeff was here during training camp. He spent several days up at Grand Park in Westfield with the team. I had several conversations with him. He was involved in team meetings. He was involved in practices. He has been working with the Indianapolis Colts organization as a consultant to observe some of what has been going on, observe personnel decisions, observe game day, observe everything. So it's also something that it does seem, I think from the outside, it was a bit of an impetuous decision maybe or an emotionally driven decision because of who Jeff means to the organization. But I think when you do get a greater picture at how much he's been involved, there is clearly a perspective that he has provided to Mr. Ursay and to Chris Ballard that they believe he can make an impact in this locker room and make some decisions in terms of helping the franchise. As Jeff said, this is an eight game audition for him. I believe this is an eight game audition for everyone because I think part of the task for him is assessing the locker room, assessing every single piece in there and deciding who is going to be a part of this moving forward. So do you consider this a long-term play with Jeff Saturday potentially? This is not an eight game holdover band-aid. He's auditioning and you believe that that audition is valid. He is auditioning. He made that clear that this is not only an audition for him in this eight game stint as the Indianapolis Colts head coach, but this is an audition for him for a lot of jobs across the league even if this opportunity doesn't present itself to him to come back here. You've seen how valued Jeff is in terms of his analysis in the studio. All of these different things. There have been a lot of guys who have moved between the coaching role or GM role into an analyst role and then back into front office position. It's a little different for Jeff being that his head coaching experience is just in a high school capacity. And interestingly enough, back in 2019, I went down to DeKula, Georgia, along with part of our production crew to do a story with Jeff about his coaching career, coaching at the high school level and spent time seeing him on the sidelines, seeing what he's like in a locker. It's a lot different with a high school locker room than it is a collegiate or a professional locker room. But it is interesting that we spent time going to do that and learning about Jeff in this next chapter of his career and learning about the passion that he has for leadership, for building a winning culture. And those are a few things that Mr. Ursay noted is the type of leadership that Jeff brings in. And anyone who knows Jeff, if you've watched Jeff, he is just as authentic in person as he is as he appears on TV in all the various aspects that we have seen him. And he admitted he has the task ahead of winning over the locker room. He has to win over this coaching staff who is here as well, a coaching staff that has several former head coaches on it. So he knows the task ahead, but he feels prepared to take it on. He said he's drinking out of a fire hydrant right now. And one of those things includes deciding who's gonna call plays on Sunday. We have, yeah, the Colts don't have anyone on the staff that has called offensive plays in an NFL game. So we'll see how that goes. It's super interesting, of course, what's going on there. We'll have Darius Butler on in a few minutes to break down, you know, everything you're saying, the lack of, I mean, you're saying it's experience, the lack of experience and how that plays into this decision on that. But I want to, you mentioned it, you outlined it so well. We love you, Lair, for coming on, talking about it. They benched their former MVP winning quarterback for the duration of the season. They fire a, and this is like while you have a winning record, which was a little wild and shocking. And then, you know, a coach who has multiple playoff appearances, bringing in a guy who has zero coaching experience. So there's rumblings that there may be, and I know this was addressed by Ballard yesterday, but there's rumblings and they're fair given what's gone on, that the Colts are maybe looking forward to their 2023 and their future and improving their draft position and finally finding a franchise quarterback to build around because it has not happened the past five years, so it's kind of understandable. Do you think there's any validity to that? I do think that you're trying to plan for the future and Cess, what pieces you currently have in the building that are part of that future? Now, with Jeff, this is an opportunity, and I'm gonna have to get used to calling him Coach Saturday because I know I'm so well prior to coming into this role, but with Coach Saturday, he's trying to win as many of these eight games as he has. This is his audition that he has, and then he's also assessing what pieces you're here that you can build upon and then also potentially what pieces you have that have value in terms of trying to move up in the draft if you are going to position yourself for a franchise quarterback to draft a young quarterback who you see being the future of the franchise. I believe currently if the season were to end today the Colts are in not a great position. I believe they would be drafting 14th if I'm correct right now. So Chris Ballard said we're not throwing in the towel. This is not a tank situation where the Colts are just gonna try to get themselves in those top three picks. Jeff is gonna do everything to try to put this team in position to be successful because you're too good. Look at the way this defense is playing. Look at Grover Stewart. Look at Bobby O'Karaque. Look at DeForest Buckner. So many of the guys on this team who are not in a position where they, Stephon Gilmore doesn't want to waste a season. Yeah, that's true. So you, there is a lot of talent. There are a lot of good pieces that you have that you cannot waste right now. So I think what this is, it's an assessment of the job that Jeff can do. It's an assessment of who you have currently in the building that can be a part of moving you forward. And then it's assessment of who are the pieces that you can potentially move around that put yourself in position to draft the quarterback that you think you're going to have to likely move up and so here's what I've learned. Here's what I've learned. And you're so in that team. It's amazing. You know, this is a team that is not mailing in but also thinking about their future. They believe in Jeff Saturday as a leader. We don't know what he's going to be as a head coach. We can't say that. He doesn't have any experience. So we're looking for him to assess what's going on there. I also learned everyone is on notice. It seems like everyone needs to perform at their best. And the most important thing I learned from this is the player perspective. This was, of course, surprising, of course, shocking, of course, hurtful, but they're putting it on them. They're taking ownership of some of the blame, some of the responsibility, and that might be a jolt in that locker room that sets this team on a different course, maybe for this season, but certainly, of course, for their future. Lera Overtin bringing it on a, what is this, a Tuesday, a Tuesday morning, looking ahead to return. What is it? What day is it? I know, you got to take a nap, my love, because it is that there's a lot going on there. We appreciate you breaking it all down as only you can. Lera Overtin, who does it all with the Indianapolis Colts, coming up, Darius Butler, is standing by. He is listening. We have to talk to him. I know he said he wanted to bring a suit and tie, and then two seconds later, Saturday was introduced as the interim coach, so that he did not get the coaching gig. We'll talk about it. Don't leave me alone, man. Don't leave me alone. I'm to the mic, man. What's going on? Should be some big-ass smiles, fellas. It doesn't matter how we get it done. You talk about hitting some hard times. You guys just keep coming back, man. Everything we wanted to accompany this off-season, we got how you do it. We love a good locker room celebration. Our next guest likes that dolphins one. Doesn't like the Patriots one because they beat the Colts, which led to the firing of Frank Reich and all that, and he's a former Colt. Great, so we'll talk about that right now. One of our Fandal family members joining us. Hard-earned NFL Experience, three teams, an amazing podcast, weekly contributions to the path. McAfee Show, Darius Butler, hello. Yeah, good morning, Kay. Good morning. What a day. What a day. What a day. Okay, let's get right into it. We have a lot to get to. Reich fired yesterday morning from your beloved Colts. It was a 26-3 loss to New England, and this is a guy, I mean, currently the Colts are three and five and one, second in the AFC South, but this is a man who has a winning record as a head coach. This is a man who has experience. This is a man who has playoff wins under his belt, and this is his resume that we're looking at. We're looking at some of the quarterbacks, of course, that he's dealt with more than anyone should in any timeframe, a period of time. Yeah, what's your reaction to Erse hitting the eject button yesterday? Man, honestly, not surprised. Like all those things you mentioned about Coach Frank are true, and he's a great coach, a great man. I actually had the chance to spend some time with him, but it just kind of, it was at the point where they need to hit that reset button. Even going back until last year, we needed that one win to get into the dance, then we lose to the Raiders. We go down to Jacksonville and get embarrassed, and it was on from there. Erse put the all-in tweet in the off-season, and this season just kind of got ugly and ugly. You benched Matt Ryan, you fired the OC, and now you move on from Frank, and you get a new voice and some new leadership in the locker room just to kind of reset things. And I'm sure I'll go back to the drawing board this off-season. But yeah, it was time to make a change, and I think Frank, anybody who ends up with him on his staff working with quarterbacks or an offense, I think we'll get a good coach. But I think this was the right move to fire Frank at this point in time, unfortunately. To part ways in the course, his job is to figure out the quarterback position. It was not figured out. It's just been a lot of funky decisions being made by this Colts squad. None funkier than Jeff Saturday being named interim head coach. I kind of didn't believe it when I saw it. Obviously Colts legend perfectly respected. Your thoughts on this? Shot, you know, just like you, I'm sure you've been around and covered the game for a long time. Obviously I've been around, been in a ton of locker rooms, have seen coaches fired and people hired mid-season. But yeah, definitely shocking. Even seeing the potential firing of Frank coming, you know, Gus Bradley, a former head coach who's on the staff, even John Fox is on the staff. But, you know, Erse went out of the box and ended up firing, I mean, hiring Jeff Saturday. And I'm root for him. You know, I know Jeff, a great guy. Obviously no coaching experience in the NFL or college. But becoming a head coach in the NFL is more about managing personalities, managing schedules, managing people. And I think everybody in that building, well, I know everybody in that building respects Jeff. Jeff has spent time, you had Lara on, so I'm sure she gave you a full rundown. But he spent time with this team. I actually bumped into Jeff this preseason when I was down there with Pat doing the show in training camp and he was a consultant. So he's tapped in, everyone respects him. It'll be interesting to see how these last eight games go. But as far as players, you know, we still got a job to do, especially defensively, you're hearing all those same voices. Those guys have been playing well. And then offensively, you got a lot to figure out. Who's calling the plays? Who's playing quarterback? And how do we get this old line fix? So it'll be, it'll be definitely interesting watching them going forward. But players and coaches like those checks that they get on Monday. So guys, you know, you get shocked, but you move on and you do your job. Well, you mentioned in your first answer about right parting ways, you said, oh, you said off season, you mentioned going back to the drawing board. So you look at all these decisions being made. And I'm no ballard saying we're not mail. I mean, you can't tell me they're not mailing it in. I'm not going to use the word. Everybody wants to use, or everyone's afraid to use, but they're looking to improve their draft position, right? They're looking at the future. No decision that they've made. Naeem Hines, the Matt Ryan, the Reich of it all, Saturday of it all. You can't tell me that they're not trying to improve their future. So you're talking about fixing the offensive line for this year. What is that going to do, Darius? That's how those guys are wired. Coaches, players, they're not wired to take, okay? They're not wired to do it. That comes from the upper management, the owner. And the owner, I know Jim Ercey. Jim Ercey wants to win. He wants to win. Obviously, Jim is a different character. He's a different guy. And when you're worth a few bills, you can do what you want to do. You can hire who you want to hire. And obviously, that's what he did. But I don't think they're taking, Larry mentioned those players. You know, those players in those locker rooms, Forrest Buckner, Stephon Gilmore, King Moore. The names, the list goes on. Like those guys want to win. They want to win now. And like I said, those checks. You like those checks. You like being in the league. And when, you know, it may go to crap, but next year you still want to job somewhere in this league as a coach or as a player. So those guys, I don't think are taking. Now, Mr. Ursay, Jim Ursay, what's he doing? Nobody knows. But it's going to be, for me, it's going to be definitely something I keep an eye on. And I'm rooting for Jeff. You know, I know a lot of people were shocked and taken back by it. And people, I'm sure if you've interacted with Jeff, you love them, but it's still a shocking hire. But I'm rooting for him. This is for all the players who think or want to get into coaching. If Jeff has any type of success with the coach, you saw Josh McCown get some calls when he retired as far as being a head coach. So if Jeff has some success, this could open up doors for some other former players who, you know, think they can get in that ring as well. And that's you, right? Potentially. At some point, coaching will be a part of my legacy. I just feel it. I see it. And I speak it into existence. Wow. So I'm definitely hoping, you know, Jeff does well once again. Because, you know, you gotta think, if you play pro, you know, you just basically go from a 21-year-old, 22-year-old, you just go and continue playing the game that you love. And that you're good enough to continue playing. And a lot of other guys have to go and get into coaching, being a graduate assistant or whatnot. You start a journey earlier. So that's the timeframe that you're missing. But I think a lot of former players, especially guys like Jeff, are equipped to go in there and be a head coach. And now if he has some success, there's no going back for him. It's not like he's gonna come back to the league and be an old iron coach. So the price is the price now. So I, for one, I'm one person that's rooting for Jeff Saturday. We love to hear. We love your thoughts, guys, that up in Adam's Show, the big storyline or that fell out from this, of course, this is lack of experience is what you're saying and players wanting to become coaches. But let's be clear here. There is a line of qualified candidates in the building. And a lot of people are talking about former Colt Reggie Wayne and there's an even longer line of minority candidates outside of the building. So the Colts went with Saturday who has no experience and asked somebody that wants to get in there and get into the coaching process. What do you make of that? No doubt about that. Like I said, I love on one hand, I love Jeff. I'm definitely rooting for him, but to your point, there are a lot of qualified candidates, over qualified candidates on the staff or even outside of that building who could have had this job. The names you mentioned, Reggie Wayne, Gus Brown, other guys that are just in position to have this job. So I definitely 1,000% get that. But we all know in this industry and in others, it's about relationships. And I had a former GM tell me a long time ago, a lot of times the hire process comes down to who would you rather have a beer with? And people don't like to hear that, but that's the truth. And as long as people own these teams and own these companies, they're gonna hire who they wanna hire. So until you change and get some diversity owned leagues that we're coaching or planning, then that's when we're having more of a voice and more of a say in that or sponsorships and money gets involved, that'll change things. But outside of that, we're screaming at clouds right now. So, you know, Ursa and these other owners are gonna hire who they feel comfortable hiring. And I think it'll continue to be that way, unfortunately. Darius Bellaron, Jeff Saturday's hiring as the interim coach there with the Indianapolis Coles. Let's talk about the Dolphins because it's sort of fun and wonderful. And we have to get to it because we only have before a short time, I am officially leader of the two who deserves to be in the MVP conversation. What? Campaign, yes! As of yesterday, I'm so into, what? Who are none? She's here. Yes, can I count on you for your support? I know it's election season, but I can't rock with you, Kay. I can't in good faith. And I love, you know, I love tour. I love my Dolphins. I picked them to win the ASCGs when everybody called me crazy. But no, you got Jalen Hurts. He has another feeder team right now. He's playing really good football. Patrick Mahomes, he's on pace to throw for 5,500 yards right now. After losing Tyreek Hill, who I would actually have in the MVP race, one notch above two. Two of them missed those games, obviously with his injury. But if he continues playing like he is and he continues to take my Dolphins, where I expect him to go, we'll have a different conversation. But right now, I can't rock with you right now, Kay. I love him, but he's probably about four on my list. But I like that you came over in that show. You know, you're feeling the hype right now. I like that. Lamar, Lamar, over to you. No, give me two, give me two. So it's Jalen, it's Allen, and it's Mahomes, and then Tua. No, no, no, no, Allen's not in there for me. For me personally, it's Hertz, Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Tua, those are my top four. Wow, Tyreek Hill, oh wow. Now you're just saying a lot about what's not, now you're really telling me what you think about Tua. He's on pace right now too, to break a record to be over 2,000 yards. Tua, the cheater right now, he is playing unbelievable football regardless of who's been lined up at quarterback. He said he didn't get numbers with you playing quarterback. He was? I don't know, they couldn't get wins. They look pretty miserable out there without Tua and he was concussed. No, wasn't Tyreek out there in those games? What happened there? He did a job, you can only do your job. You know, Leon, I can't do everything. You know, so Tyreek Hill, anything. Oh, I think an MVP needs to affect the game, or, you know, come on now. There we go, there we go. That's why I supported back home. They're 6-0 with Tua when he's out there and healthy. He showed how valuable he was when he missed those games. He missed games. Darius Butler! Agreed. Okay. Your best ability is availability. I'm just mad. I thought you were, I really thought I was going to have you with me on this. And then I got hit, I got hit with shut down city. Shut down city over here. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right, take me where we need to go. Let's go. Let's ride. Let's ride. Stop saying that. Okay. Come on. Don't just shut there. Yes, please. Let's go to shut down city. Let's get there somehow some way. We got Jonathan Jones. He's the first member. Oh, we're going Marlon Humphrey first. Okay. Marlon Humphrey. He had a sack. He balled out last night. All right. One more time. The OG O-Head. He is in shut down city. I believe for the first time this year, which he should have made an appearance earlier on, he's been balling all year long, but he had a huge night last night. So shout out to Marlon Humphrey in his first visit to shut down city. Second on the list. Who we got here? Jonathan Jones. There we go. Had a block punt. Had a pick six. Unfortunately, leading to the firing of my coach, my coach, but he's been balling all year as well, made some huge plays. I believe this is his first time in shut down city as well. So shout out to Jonathan Jones, coming off a huge Sunday. And then someone who's always here, he may move up to a senator or who knows what. But sauce Gardner, the young man has been here all year long. This defense has been balling. He's been balling. Got another pick and another huge upset against the Buffalo Bills. The Jets are rolling a big reason for that. Is their top five pick at the cornerback position. Been in shut down city all year. Sauce Gardner. So those are the three members in shut down city right now. We love it. We've got Sauce Gardner. We've got Jonathan Jones. We've got Marlon Humphrey. Who's the mayor, though? Sauce is the mayor. Sauce Gardner is the mayor. He's a young mayor. He's a young mayor. He's got a bright, bright future ahead of him. Yeah, he might be a senator. Shout out to Sauce Gardner, man. All in the Big Apple. Let me say this. It's election day. Darius came on with election puns. And then we make a segment for him. We throw him off with the order. I'm looking at a head coach right here. In-game adjustments. Doesn't care. Very coachable. We gave you something you weren't even ready for and you made it happen. You got to go to the floor. You got to adjust. Nothing's just there. You got to go. Keep your blinders on. Keep chucking along. As Coach Chuck P. would say. You're amazing. Darius Butler, we love you. We can't wait until your head coach. You need a quarterback's coach. I'd like to be considered. We'll talk about that later. You can catch Mr. Butler on the Pat McAfee show and the Man-to-Man podcast, of course. And we'll see you here on Up in Adams next week. Thanks, my friend. Hardest working guy in the biz. Gosh, she's always working. Darius Butler is always working. All right. We'll be back after this because we have Mark Ingram. Where are you? Uh-oh. Oh, there is Mark Ingram. Let's see her after this. I'm destined for greatness. That's where it's a Muhammad Ali. I'm up on the scene. I told you I'm up on the scene. Yeah. I'm ready for one. I'm ready for war tonight. I'm ready to set a score. I'm set a score tonight. Joining us now is Mark Ingram from the Saints facility after a game last night and unfortunate loss. But it wasn't his fault. He wasn't out there doing this thing. So Mark Ingram, good morning to you. Good morning, Kay. What's going on? I mean, what's going on is last time I saw you, I told you you should go pull the hotel fire alarm with the Ravens at the hotel. I told you you should be messing with Jim Harbaugh. I told you you should be trying to hide Lamar Jackson's helmet. None of these things seem to happen, though. Hey, I was doing my stuff behind the scenes, but none of this seemed to matter. None of this seemed to matter. You had this game circled on your calendar for a long time. I know you have such an affinity for the Ravens, of course, for Lamar Jackson. What was it like not getting to play in this game? I'm sorry. Man, it sucked. It was my body's physically kind of a little hurt. I got hurt literally the game before we played them, but my heart was hurt even more. No, but much respect to those guys, much respect to that organization. Definitely to be able to play your former team on Monday night is something you look forward to. Definitely was disappointing, frustrating, and all those words and adjectives that describe disappointment. Not to be able to play in that game, but it is what it is. Everything happens for a reason, so we'll keep it pushing. We saw you last night after the game with Lamar changing jerseys. What did you guys talk about? How happy are you for him? I know it's tough because your team got a loss, but you've got a lot of respect for him, and he's on this journey just waiting to get... Talk to me. Talk to me. Got the hell freaky right here in the flesh. Yes, sir. No, man. Just catching up with my boy, man. You know, just much love for those guys. Those are my brothers for life. You know, this game of football, you know, it's special. It develops bonds and friendships and relationships that laugh at lifetime regardless if you guys on the same team or not. If you're playing anymore, if you're not. So just be able to catch up with them. You know, him, Ronnie, all those guys over there, Gus, Justice, you know, my old coaches, people that you develop, you know, lifelong relationships with. It was good to catch up with those guys, see them, give them hugs, tell them it's great to see them, looking forward to seeing them in the future, you know what I mean? Yeah. What's the lower like right now? Does he seem as always or does he do feel any pressure or less pressure? What's he like this season? I mean, he seemed like the same hell that I know. You know what I mean? Just trying to be the best he could be, trying to help the team win games, and you know, just trying to do his thing, do his part to, you know, help them have success. That's what I feel from him. You know what I mean? So I still feel like he's the same hell freaky. Yeah, the same hell. What is hell freaky? I've never heard hell freaky until today. You know, hell freaky. He can get freaky out there. Like hell freaky. He's taken in bacon, you know what I mean? So that's how he got the name back in 2019. What did you give him for that jersey? Isn't it usually an exchange? He got my jersey. You weren't wearing a jersey. But I sent it to him. My equipment people brought it to his equipment people. He got the jersey. So you got the clean one and you got the game one. That one, that cannot smell good, that jersey. Yeah, it's kind of a little damp right now, unfortunately, but yeah, that's why I got it with just the fingertips. All right, Mark, put on your analyst cap here. What can you point to? You were on the sideline. You got to watch the whole thing. You got the Vi pre-game the week going into it. Why didn't it work out for the Saints last night, in your opinion? Man, it was just a lot of different things, man. Being able to stop, you know, being able to stop the run, being able to run the ball. I think those are things that we take pride of here in New Orleans is being able to dominate Linus Kermitsch. Obviously, we had some penalties set us back. Man, a lot of self-inflicted wounds, but I think just dominating the Linus Kermitsch, you know, being able to run the football, being able to stop the run, being able to protect your quarterback, being able to put pressure on your quarterback. Those are all things weekend and week out that we kind of take pride in, things that we kind of emphasize. And I think, you know, just to dominate on the Linus Kermitsch, I think we kind of, you know, that was challenging for us yesterday. And then how was the locker room this week? Because your Bama team had a tough overtime loss to LSU. I'm sick of talking to you about losses, Ingra. I'm like, I don't even know. We've got to get some good juju exercises. You've got to get, like, Aaron Rodgers with the Iowaska in there to fix this stuff, because, like, this happened. And then you let, you know, Tyron Matthew and Jarvis Landry probably have a nice little week, didn't they? Yeah, I mean, everyone in Louisiana was super ecstatic that what, they got their third win in what, like, 12 years. So every now and then, you've got to let people have, you know, got to let people have their, you know, their glory, their praise. But, you know, it is what it is, man. Bama's always road tied forever and for life, road tied till we die. Until your school, until your program got 18 at ease, don't talk to us. We ain't even trying to hear it. So, um, yeah. You know, Tyron and Jarvis and everybody else in Louisiana, they had in the back of the weekend until last night. Mark, do you ever get down? Because you're, you know, I've always heard from play, any player who's injured, superstar or not superstar, it's just really hard to not be with the team, right? You're rehabbing, it's lonely, you're isolated, you're with the team, but you're not. But you last week said something that stuck with me and whenever I was having like a bad moment last week, I was like, you know, Mark Ingram came on, he's injured, his team's losing, and he's like, got to be happy. Why not? What got to stay positive? Is there anything specific you do to sort of get into that area of positivity? Well, it's like this, like, yeah, I could be frustrated at my knee, you know, I could be frustrated that, um, you know, we lost, I could be frustrated that I'm not playing, I could be frustrated that Ben was lost, but it's like, what good does being frustrated do? If you can't channel that into a positive energy, to a positive outlook and change what's going on? Um, because you have the power to change it. You have the power to, uh, in your mind and your heart, what you desire to be able to change, you know, what's going on. So, uh, yeah, my knee's not doing, you know, it's not where I want it to be. I can go rehab. I can go treat it. I can go do things to make it better. The team, we're not winning. Okay, so what are we going to do? We're going to watch the film. We're going to correct it. We got to go out there. We got to practice better. We got to go out there, and not only practice better, but when we get to the game, we got to perform better. So all those things are things that we can control. You know, things that you can't control, you can't worry about it because it'll make you go crazy thinking about it. But things you can't control, your attitude, how you work, how you prepare, how you perform, those are all things you can control. And you got to be positive because positive thinking, positive emotions, positive vibes, those resonate, and, you know, it'll make a difference. But where do you get that from? Have you always been that way? I mean, you're a running back. You go out there and got to get killed every play. Like it's an angry position in a lot of ways. So has it always been something that it's just easy for you to flip on or is something you work on? No, it's difficult. It's a challenge daily. You know what I mean? It's something that's a challenge daily. It's easier said than done. But, like, when you hang your head and you get low, like, that doesn't help you. You know what I mean? And all of us deal with frustration. All of us deal with disappointment. You know what I mean? Myself included. But it's just something that, like, you kind of have to keep in the forefront of your mind, like, okay, like, today might be difficult. I might not be feeling great, but how am I going to make it better? You know, what am I going to do to make, to change my attitude? What am I going to do to change the day? Make the day better. You know, be positive. And, you know, be positive on others as well. So it's a difficult, it's a daily challenge. It's an hourly, a minutely challenge. Yeah. But you just got to stay focused on what's important and what matters. And being positive, being, you know, thinking the right thoughts, those are so important because your mind is everything. I think everyone thinks you're really goofy, but you're so thoughtful. And I'm not kidding when I say you inspired me this week with that, what you said last week. And it's not the end of the world, of course, but like, you know, that locker room is really lucky to have you, Mark, just to be that sort of here. Well, I appreciate that. Okay. That means a lot to me coming from you. It's true. That means a lot to me coming from you. That's true. And I'm glad that I could, you know, just be a bright light in your day. You are. Just press love. You always are. Press positivity to you, you know. I think people sometimes think you're goofy. Like, you are goofy. I'm sorry. You are goofy. But that's, you know, but you've got, there's just, you know. I just like to have fun with my people. You know what I mean? Speaking of goofy. When I'm with my people, I like to catch good energy, good vibes, good laughs. You know what I mean? I like to have fun with my people. It's time for our favorite game. This is something you're very passionate about, of course. Oh, okay. Let's do this. You are part owner of a major league soccer team, DC United. So we made this game because you're the best at this. I mean, you got some footy in you, but you are really good at being objective about these cards and some footage that we dug up over the weekend. So let's kick it off, my friend, with the Chiefs. This is Cadarius Tony, with the hit. And you have a take on these defense lift chip blocks, huh? Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's fair game. I'm not even calling the felony on that. That's fair game. That's fair game. You are an elite, you're an elite pass rusher. You think you're gonna get a free go at my tackle and just get a pass rushing around the end? No, man. Like, I'm right here and I'm gonna declete you. I'm gonna knock you off your feet. My tackle gets to play off. My quarterback probably completes the pass. I'm not even calling the, I'm not even giving a card on this. Not even giving a card. Cadarius Tony, a nice fit there with the Chiefs. All right. Commander's Taylor Heineke. Take a look at this. So he throws deep. I want you to watch the ref. Curtis Samuel catches the touchdown. We all saw this. I mean, this, what is this? That's a red card for the ref, man. Like, get out the way, ref. Like, you're ruining the game. My man probably, possibly could have got a pick. You in the way. Like, get out the way, ref. Like, what's going on with the refs, man? Like, that's a red card all the day, man. Come on. I don't want to catch you dribble. Don't. Let's be nice to the refs. Yeah, but I couldn't believe that. I could not believe this happened. It was insane. Get out the way, man. Get out the way, man. Like, you, you, you are literally impacting the game. Not in a good way. Yeah. You are changing the outcome of the play. Who knows what could have happened if the ref wasn't in the way here? Ooh! You know, possibly could have been an interception, but instead it's a touchdown because you knocked, you knocked down a DV. Red card for the ref. Red card for the ref. Start. Refs! I keep to leave. Refs! Everybody do that? Refs! Refs! I keep to leave. Refs! All right. Kirk, Kirk Cousins on the plane after the win. All right. I feel like this deserves something worse than a red card. What are you giving this? Hey, that was vibes right there. You know, you whatever seven to one in the locker room, every single person on the team putting they chains on you, you iced out and they got dubs going, man. So, hey, I don't, this is just, this is just what it's supposed to be like after a win. You know what I mean? This is what you do for this day. This is what you wanted for Andy Dalton last night. Yes. I had a few chains. I wanted to put on them. Everybody, Marshawn got a few chains. AK got a chain. Everybody giving chains. Now, now your QB just iced out and he vibing. You know what I mean? That's what you want. That's what it's all about. I need Andy Dalton and I would make me much more happy than Kurt Cousins. All right. From Millville, New Jersey. This is where we're going. The Holly City Lightning 8 and under team challenge their parents mark. And this may have been a mistake. Take a look at this. This is them challenging their parents and things get real aggressive real fast. I'm like, I've just seen the first clip where he just decleted his son or something. Like, that's a red card. Like the other ones is like, okay, you jump over. You juke him. Like, that's okay. Like, all right. Yeah. You challenged me. You can't see me though. But I mean, I've seen the first clip, but he just completely just obliterated his own, his own seed. Like his own seed. He just, Oh, you got to go back to the first clip. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Here. Where is the first? This is all good. The first clip buddy, like, come on now. Like, like that's a red card. That parent gets a red card. No capri sun, no orange slices, no gummy bears for you parent. All right. And then go ahead. Like, if they challenge you, you got to be able to show him up. But to do him like that, come on now. Did you ever challenged anybody like a coach or parent like that? Come on, Mark. I'm sure you didn't challenge my dad. I didn't challenge my dad. He wasn't going for it. Like, you and saving. No. Saving couldn't see me, man. I wouldn't, he wouldn't even go get him. Like, like, he wouldn't even go against me. Like, he wouldn't even go against me. So. Okay. And we have a fan. Take a look at this. This is a fan trying to hop up a bleacher bench. What are we doing? I mean, like, what's going on? Oh, I need to see that again. Yeah. Like, what's, okay, he's up. And then he falls. He goes down, he falls. It's kind of beautiful to watch. Yeah. It's kind of like, majestic. Like, he's just kind of tumbled over like six, seven, eight people. Well, he kind of like was gracefully like the way he went down the steps. Sweet feet. Didn't touch nobody, didn't hurt nobody. Like. Did it knock over a beer, no popcorn flying through the air. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, no harm, no foul. No harm, no foul. No harm, no foul. Mark Gringham, we love you. We love the, the love for everyone to do well. You just want everybody to win and you're the best. Get better soon so we can get you on the road. Yes, ma'am. Because obviously, James is never coming back. Next week, we're going to road to Pittsburgh. So on the way home from Pittsburgh, we'll have Andy with the chains on. That's all I need. Former bangle, Andy Dahl and leaving Pittsburgh with a win. And some change doesn't need that in my life. We love you, Mark Ingram. Feel better. Tell everybody, they're high and like I said, you're just the best. We'll leave that right here on Up and Atom Show on the Tuesday. Amazing to have Darius Butler on our show. And what performance was the best? Oh, Justin Fields is him. Will he be? The Hit the Lights winner will be back after this on Up and Atom Show. Thanks for watching and go vote! Oh, you impressed me a lot. How much rushing yards did you have? You had like 200? I mean, dude's a baller. Dude's a baller. That's my MVP talking about a guy who might be an MVP someday. I mean, we're in the making and he's happening before our very eyes. Right now, the 35 to 32 lost the dolphins, I know it was really tough for Bears fans to watch into stomach, but this is what we do on this show. We celebrate the good. And what we saw out of Justin Fields was just that. Hit the lights, baby. We pick one player, one performance that we loved and Justin Fields was that. He was brilliant. He scored, he threw for another 123 and three touchdowns and that is history making the run. He became the first player at since at least 1950 to rush for over 150 yards and throw three touchdown passes in the same game. Obviously, it's kind of stings. You want that to come with a win. But for Bears fans, listen, you knew going into this that regardless of record, I mean into the season into the Justin Fields experience into the season, you wanted to see and what I said all along, you want to see signs, you want something to hold on to. You want to see these moments where you say, man, this is the face. This can be the franchise quarterback of this organization. This could be the best quarterback we've ever had in the history of Chicago because that person is Jay Cutler and somebody's got to take Jay Cutler off that mantle. And I think it's in so much history that it does have to continue playing this way, but they're sort of letting him unleash. You know, it says like Justin Fields is him was the tweet to go to break. I feel like they're letting him be him. And you see what that does is it leads to confidence building and we're starting to see this guy, this young player that Bears fans desperately want to wrap their arms around and invest in as they start to make moves to give Justin Fields guys to hang out with. So tomorrow we're supposed to do underreactions. There's like literally glitter in my eyebrows. I don't know. I wasn't at a strip club. I promise. I don't know what happened. But today, of course, an important day. This is now nine p.m. or nine a.m. Pacific standard time. So plenty of time to get out there and vote. No, I don't want tweets. I want everyone to get out there and do their thing and their respective places. It is so important lots of places to get them to go do that. So it's super important to get in line, do what you need to do, however you need to do it and get out there and vote. So that's all I have for today. Leave early. Turn your TVs off. Go. Get out here and do that. We'll see you guys tomorrow. 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