 this is game chat we're born episode 122 can pubg survive the fallout yeah game chat we're born welcome to the show now here's your host born on the call all the gaming news of this week by the way that's me we spoke to welcome to episode 122 of game chat we're born and we got a great show lined up for you recording a little bit late voices leaving me I recorded a video for a for Dauntless tonight I did the Dauntless review and it ran low long took me a little bit to get some content created and to get the video finalized but here we are late at night Wednesday night Thursday morning recording game chat we're born and we got a couple stories to talk about big things about pokemon and fallout in the news and we got a couple other things to talk about on top of those um we will be getting this episode up on youtube that is the plan I couldn't do it last time because in the workflow of pod beam which is a service that I use you apparently have to do it while you're publishing and I didn't want I didn't want to republish the episode just for the youtube video so we're going to try that workflow and see what happens it's probably going to upload a video to youtube automatically I don't know if I want that but we're going to try it out Spotify will be going soon as well so we've got a great show lined up for you guys episode 122 let's go and for our first story we're going to talk about pokemon and pokemon company and of course nintendo bunch of announcements were made oh my goodness on the 30th which was uh I think it was uh actually yeah it was today I would say yesterday because it's like 2 a.m. here but it was yesterday pokemon quest and pokemon let's go two new titles which were announced very very mobile focused solutions from pokemon company uh pokemon quest is a voxel based game if you look at it it's like what is this pokemon it's a very simplified version of pokemon uh which will be running on switch and android and ios uh which is out for switch today but it will be on android ios later and it's one of those mobile type games where you can do things and play for an hour or so and then you just let things run in the background you come back and check things so it's got battles um and it's got like a very very minecraft looking voxel square interface for all your pokemon uh so i don't know if i would get into this uh i'd have to look more into it but uh it seems like a very very casualized if you could even do that to pokemon a more casualized uh experience uh let me see if i can find a good uh a good description here says in pokemon quest your journey takes you to tumble cube island tumble cube yes a bizarre region where voxel style pokemon roam free you sail off to this new land looking for treasure and of course new pokemon to aid you in your journey from the get-go you set up a customizable base camp and slowly explore the many areas of the island fighting an array of familiar faces in cube form and slide on story but you have quite a bit going on so this is uh some quotes from from over here in polygon they got some details about it over there and the other title which is split into two like you know they do with pokemon they got red and blue and sun and moon this one's called pokemon let's go um which is seems to be a more traditional uh pokemon than uh what i just described earlier pokemon let's go is is kind of got the story thing going on but but you catch pokemon using the mechanics of pokemon go by tossing a ball it's not no longer a battle situation it's going to be 60 dollars 60 dollars it's going to launch on november 16th exclusively on the switch and one of the cool things is that you'll be able to transfer the pokemon's you catch in pokemon go to the switch via bluetooth so that'll be some some kind of an integration that's going on between the two titles um and there's going to have two versions the pokemon let's go pikachu and pokemon let's go ev and these will be your starter pokemon for each version respectively it's going to be 151 pokemon available in the game um though their alolan forms will also appear and i'm reading that correct correctly um players will be able to trade pokemon from their let's go games via local wireless and wi-fi there will however be no breeding and no eggs um according to this article over at polygon the biggest difference between the games original and pokemon let's go is the catching system so it's going to be a pretty robust pokemon game much more than pokemon quest but they've got some peripherals this is nintendo of course they got peripherals they've got a poke ball that you can press a button and simulate the throwing mechanic yeah or you can use your joy con to do the same thing yeah to throw the ball to catch the pokemon and you'll probably be doing the same mechanics as i described earlier as pokemon go so if you play pokemon go they're pretty much taking that mechanic and throwing it in the pokemon game and you've got to manage your pokemon and so i guess the question becomes what about the traditional rpg pokemon they did give us a date range second half of 2019 yes the second half of 2019 which essentially is 2020 for the pokemon rpg version that everybody's looking forward to for the switch i gotta say but pokemon let's go is kind of that but it's not quite not quite still got some pokemon go reminisce to it got a kind of a different art style i don't know it's more of a i guess according to this article they're going to tie it more to the cartoon anime and you're going to have people like team rocket and all kinds of stuff which is not going to be probably on the rpg version which is coming out in 2019 aka 2020 60 dollars again pokemon let's go the both the pikachu and evie versions on top of the pokemon quest title both announced by nintendo and pokemon company check it out guys over on polygon they got the details about both of these titles good time to be a pokemon fan and for next story we're going to talk about fallout 76 the new fallout title announced by Bethesda today it was kind of an interesting development with that because they had this teaser video going on twitch for many many hours and nothing was going on and they finally released the teaser trailer for fallout 76 and we really don't know a whole lot about it there was a couple of things that people have looked over the video with they saw that the date is october 27 21 oh two five years behind schedule so apparently is going to be 20 years after the 2077 apocalypse and a few years before fallout one but people are speculating that it will not be a traditional rpg fallout that it may be a multiplayer online based game now this particular premise in this in this teaser is talking about the idea of rebuilding civilization after the apocalypse so people are speculating that we're going to have a survival builder like rust or Conan exiles etc in the fallout universe hmm hmm is that going to be the case i mean it's pure speculation nobody knows what's going to happen either way i am i am both intrigued and a little bit confused and excited at the same time i love the fallout universe uh fallout four was like what what 2015 a few years ago three years ago i liked it it was a good game to me people really really hammered that it didn't have good rpg elements but personally i really enjoyed the game and got a lot of fun hours out of it i still go back to it to this day and play it and do some stupid stuff like i tend to do it but there's the titles even skyrim i don't even like skyrim but i'll go in there and load up a bunch of mods and just float around and shoot nuclear guns everywhere um well that no that's fallout out what i have it's like these just big explosions and all kinds of crazy stuff that didn't it's skyrim um so vault 76 is one of vault text control vaults um so it doesn't i don't know it's not going to fit into the same storyline as the other stuff so they do have kind of free reign to kind of take it into a different direction um i don't know what they're gonna do we got to wait till e3 we're gonna learn more at e3 this year in a couple weeks about what this fallout 76 is all about and there was not soldier 76 shut up don't even think about overwatch um what i tweeted something was kind of funny is that i was hoping that you had 76 days to build a working civilization or but there's a release a switch remaster a fallout for $150 oh you had to be there it was so funny check it out guys over at rstechnica.com they got the details fallout 76 teaser release what is it gonna be i don't know and for a next story from the department of the what department microsoft has laid off xbox support staff in favor of volunteers are you kidding me i read this article and i didn't believe it but apparently they have laid off a sizable amount of their support staff earlier this month replacing them with volunteer xbox fans according to two sources on this article in polygon around 12 people lost their jobs earlier this month the team that worked with direct support inquiries made via the popular twitter account xbox support they were employed by a company called affirma consulting but mainly worked in microsoft offices they also worked with volunteer members of the public called xbox ambassadors so what microsoft is going to do is get some of these former xbox support people that they laid off to train train the xbox ambassadors which are normal people like you and i who just happened to really really love xbox but i don't think they're getting paid these is a volunteer basis now i got some experience with this because that's how i started with just not tv now known as twitch i i started as a volunteer i was volunteer admin support and i did very similar stuff without a paycheck that similar role right now it's pretty much a paid role at twitch but back then i did a support role um but i've never heard of mark i've never i mean back then just not tv and twitch didn't fire people and replace them with us as twitch admins this this is the part that kind of confuses me they actually fired this consulting company i guess they weren't doing a good enough job i mean if you think about it maybe the xbox ambassadors the xbox ambassadors did a better job on social media answering questions than the actual paid people huh makes you think uh the microsoft xbox support twitter account has more than a million followers and prior to may 18th of the account the account directly responded to dozens of inquiries per day amounting to more than 2.9 million tweets my goodness in recent weeks the the account that has mostly mostly restricted itself to retweeting messages from the xbox ambassadors account man tweets sent to xbox support are now being handled by ambassadors maybe i'm not understanding what ambassadors are i'm just assuming they're normal joe schmoes you know normal people that may maybe content providers maybe uh you know like like i'm a warframe partner you know that's what i'm thinking they're like a xbox ambassador maybe they get invited out to c l o every now and then maybe they get some swag to give away some codes and stuff like that but i don't think they're actually paid and that's the key point here i don't think they're actually paying that microsoft's gonna save some money by hiring these volunteers rather than oh man by hiring these volunteers rather than hiring or rather than paying support staff interesting article check it out guys everyone probably gonna get the details microsoft lays off twitter support in favor of volunteers and for our final story this one's a little bit man this can get a little bit soapboxy this has to do with pubg and epic games and the whole battle royale who started who and what started what and who's copying what pubg corp to sue epic games over fortnite similarities now this i even wrote a blog post over on born in that tv slash blog you can check it out about this a long time ago and how pubg corporation is claiming that fortnite is copying the battle royale genre and pubg believes that they actually own the rights to that game mode so many things wrong with that that i'll talk about in a second but let's get to the article here um player unknowns of battlegrounds which is the battle royale game we're talking about developers pubg corp have filed a copyright suit against fortnite battle royale studio epic games the korean times korea times reports pubg corp claims that fortnite battle royale violates their copyright while the final point the final points of the korean case have not been yet made public record this could be the further action that they threatened last september which i wrote about in my blog post so yeah fortnite i'm sorry pubg has been on the tear they actually sued some other companies one company notoriously for a frying pan in the game now that was kind of an edge case that everybody likes to point out but let's get to the nitty gritty pubg claims that games last man standing games they have jumped out of an airplane and have a reducing battleground is their copyright so if anybody else does that if anybody else does that they're going to violate their copyright anybody also they they pointed out that the guns this is the this is the obnoxious part all these things have some sort of an obnoxious part they claim that the guns used by fortnite are way too similar to the guns used in pubg now if you know what i know and you probably got a bit of common sense you know that all of these guns in question are based on real guns which are not copyrightable for some reason pubg believes that they own guns okay so let's talk about this a little bit i mean we we we're witnessing the birth of kind of a semi genre slash game mode we saw it with mobas with league of legends we saw with the valves dota 2 with heroes of new earth with heroes of the storm with smite that genre was kind of birth out of that mod that came from warcraft right it was a little bit of a legal shuffle and scuffle with uh with uh blizzard and valve but that was more around assets that were being used because the dota 2 stuff is based on actual warcraft characters so it didn't have much to do with the mode it had to do with the assets that were used same is true for other genres that have been birth over the years it's like there've been little scuffles and lawsuits you know quake and unreal let's go back to unreal again you know back in the day they had very similar games they had similar modes and i don't think it came down to courtroom copyright battles there is a case where pub g is putting himself on a pedestal and saying that we did this we built this and you're copying us so let's be frank and real and everything that's what happens in gaming everywhere a particular formula works whether it be shooters first person shooters for a long time were very similar they had free for all they had team death match they had conquest and even had uh kill confirmed you know that was like the formula mobas same type of deal three lanes you try to kill each other bases there's towers there's the buildings there's a shop all these things all these aspects make up the genre rpg's action rpg's diablo one of the originators they see a bunch of people even path of exile marvel heroes uh lost art coming out from the from the east all types of stuff now i'm missing titles so i apologize these are how genres are born did copy each other is what happens they take elements of a game not everything they take parts of it and they incorporated in their own style right their own style and they presented in a different fashion to try to give a game gamers a unique opportunity to try this out and that helps us because it forces both studios to innovate and differentiate themselves from each other so they don't just do a carbon copy now if you look at battle royale fortnight battle royale and pubg any gamer knows that you can tell them you tell you can tell the difference they're mad when you play the games they're massively different sure you drop from the airplane and there's a there's a there's a there's a decreasing circle but that's where it ends fortnight has a different looting system fortnight has building fortnight has all these wacky deployables and stuff that you can have that that pubg doesn't have um and the fact that pubg frankly has sour grapes over this is kind of childish because fortnight is taking the bigger piece of the pie now one of the things they claim back in september is that fortnight epic i'm sure i should say they had a competitive advantage because they own the unreal engine which uh player unknowns battlegrounds is using and they say that that's unfair because they own the engine they'll be able to uh to to do better optimization they'll be able to uh to to produce a better experience and potentially they could sabotage player unknowns battlegrounds which i think is absurd but let me get this straight now let's just this is be clear here so epic owns unreal they made it they put a lot of work into it they should benefit from it they really should they should they should reap the benefits they have licensing costs of course but they should be able to make games too they didn't they epic never stop making games so you can't tell them not to make games because they make the engine that your game is using because you can make your own engine you have to buy the license of theirs nobody signed anything said we're not going to make a battle royale game and a lot of companies is not just epic a lot of other companies you know we talked about radical heist closing with um with clippy b studio closing a few weeks ago you know they were going to make a battle royale game there's like 20 of them now they're just they're popping up they're cropping up and it's a big deal it's got the it's got the eyes and ears of the gaming that gaming demographic that is throwing many many many thousands of dollars at games is got their attention and they're trying to soak up all those billions of dollars that's what this is about this is about money this isn't about copyright this isn't about you know who did what for us who did what first player on those battlegrounds wants more money and there's there's kind of a limit you know you know you need money in the business you need to make money you need to continue to make money you need to make a profit they're making a killing with their loot boxes and all the other stuff they're doing they're making a killing so is fort night how much of this is greed how much is like well you're making seven billion we're making five billion we want your seven as well and to that i really can't sympathize with pubg i got a side with fortnight in this i don't care what they say fortnight to me feels very different from pubg to the to the point to where some people don't play it if they copy so much don't you think every pubg player will want to play fortnight that's not the case it's definitely not the case so this is a laughable lawsuit which i hope gets laughed at a court and let's get this straight this has happened to epic before they have been sued by people who own their engine you know what they can rescind their license and basically kill the company if they want to epic and go oh y'all want to talk trash you can't use our light you can't use our engine anymore stop sales cancel christmas go write your own engine you can't use our engine anymore they can do that they are well within their legal rights to do that and pubg has the audacity to basically dare them to do that that's what's going this is a dare it's like oh you're not going to do that apparently because they make so much money from listen epic is they fart money every morning this is it's just thousands of dollar bills it's just fly out of there but every morning and it is ridiculous to think that they're going to flinch at pubg saying oh you need our money more than you you know no no so this is this is a laughable lawsuit i really lost respect i haven't played pubg in years i don't even want to play it because of this it is one of those things where it it makes you not want the company to to to win these lawsuits and you know it's kind of sad but you don't want to see them succeed and i don't want to i don't want to ever feel like that but it's like you don't want a roof forum because they're doing stuff like this they're being evil check it out guys over on rock paper shotgun they got the details about pubg suing fortnite because they think they copy battle royale come on man stop being ridiculous and i could lose episode 122 of game chat one i hope you all could stay in my my losing my voice in the cuffs and everything the late night recording please follow my stream i have a live stream we stream every day except wednesdays and sundays over at twitch.tv slash buanna i also have a website at buanna.tv which has my podcast up here now and 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