 details early makes it easy. Yeah. All right. And tech crunches hot on their heels now. Everybody's publishing. Okay. Cool. I think everything's working. Amy, do you have any questions before we get rolling? I don't think so. I've got the rundown pulled up. Yeah. Yeah, if there's anything in particular you want to weigh in on just just jump in after we read the item. If I may throw you a question, I won't presume you're an expert on all the top stories of the day necessarily, but just opinion question type stuff. Okay. And I think we're good. V, you ready? I am. Roger, you ready? Yes. Oh, wait, do I have control? I gave it to you should have it. Double check. I will hide. All right. Here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 28, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me as she does Mondays, Ms. Veronica Belmont, co-host of Sword and Laser and product manager and robot. How are you Veronica? I am excellent. How are you today? I'm good because we're going to find out all about the future. Very happy to have Amy Webb, founder of the Future Today Institute joining us. How's it going, Amy? Going well. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Amy's got a new book out on how to predict tech trends. Now, you're not, you're not pretending to be psychic. You're not saying how how to tell exactly what's going to happen. It's more useful than that. It's it's to me, it sounds like you're saying, Hey, here's how to get a handle on what might be coming down the road next. That's right. There is no answer to what's the future. For a lot of reasons, all of which are scientific. So rather than seeking out the answer, the next best thing we can all do is to seek out what we know to be true today and how to forecast what's coming next. And so that's what the book is about and how to do it. We're going to talk a little bit more about that in just a little bit. We got some news to get to. Facebook Express Wi-Fi has launched in India, allowing businesses to share Wi-Fi with the public for a fee. So the idea is that more entrepreneurs could put up small Wi-Fi things in restaurants, places like that and expand access where there isn't mobile coverage or Wi-Fi coverage. Sling TV announced a beta version of a cloud DVR for its internet TV service that will arrive in December and did it very intentionally on the same day that AT&T announced more details about its internet TV service called Direct TV Now. It will offer up to two streams, no premium sports, $35 a month for the base package on up to $70. They've got four tiers and it is arriving on November 30th. And now here are some more top stories. CNN announced Monday that it has acquired Beam. That's spelled B-E-M-E. It's a short video app from YouTube creator Casey Nestat. Beam will shut down and Nestat will create a new project as a separate company under CNN. He announced the end of his daily video blog last week. So now we know why. Veronica, it's getting a lot of pickup from people because it's a major news organization essentially buying a YouTube creator. Yeah, I mean, it seems more like a talent acquisition than probably anything else. He's a huge name for a lot of people. So I think it'll draw a lot of younger viewers into the CNN fold. Have you seen Beam? I was not familiar with it, but the idea is it's kind of like a Snapchat sort of video messaging sharing service, but you only can use it by covering the proximity sensor. The idea being you still look at reality without looking through the phone at reality. So you would like hold it up to your chest. And then it would start recording. Wait, what? Yeah, exactly. I had a hard time. I downloaded it when it came out. And I also thought it was pronounced BEM. So I thought it was be me. Oh, that makes more sense. Yeah, I thought it to be, you know, cumbersome, but I agree with Veronica. I think it's a talent acquisition. CNN digitals on a hiring spree. So Yeah, I mean, they're going to shut down Beam. So they obviously didn't want to keep that as a product. They might use some of that technology. Who knows, but absolutely, they're going to have KC creating videos for them, creating content for them and doing it as a separate company, which CNN also has a Buzzfeed competitor that they have been doing the same thing with. So another approach to saying, we're not going to try to sell CNN to a certain audience, we're going to find a person who already reaches that audience and take advantage of that. Wait, they have a Buzzfeed competitor? Yeah, I was not aware of this until I saw it in the Verge article. Are we just like really behind or is there just a lot of stuff happening that's not getting a lot of traction these days? I can't, you know, maybe maybe Amy can fill us in on why we're behind on all the tech trends as well as not being able to predict them apparently. But moving on, consumer intelligence research partners estimates Amazon has sold 5.1 million Amazon Echo speakers since its debut to Prime subscribers in fall 2014. The Echo was made generally available in June 2015. And CIRP estimates 2 million units were sold in the first nine months of 2016. The Echo Dot and Echo Tap accounted for at least a third of the sales in the past six months. Customers use it mostly as an audio speaker with about a third using it for information and just more than 10% using it to control connected devices. Wow, 10% seems low. That's I was surprised by that. Yeah, it does feel like most people use it for connected devices. But I'll be honest, I don't really, I have it hooked up to a few, but I don't take advantage of that very often. I mostly use it for information for shopping lists and stuff like that. And this this isn't I feel like maybe Amy, this is an example of the kind of thing you're talking about where a trend shows up unexpectedly, that took some people by surprise. Well, I mean, yes and no, the trend is not but the there are two trends that are in play. One is a conversational interface. And so you know, we can essentially be expected to speak to our machines for the rest of our lives. This is just the beginning of that. The other one is the sort of smart virtual personal assistant. And you know, I think I would be curious to look at their data and to see what what kinds of people are using these devices and in what ways and is the echo dot being used differently than Alexa versus whatever the Alexa junior version is. I forget the name of it. Yeah, the tap. So for me, this makes a lot of sense actually, because we liked the convenience of having these kind of portable connected speaker systems, you know, things like the LibreTone or Sonos systems. But then when you add the conversational element as a layer on top of that, it makes it even easier to use, you can actually talk to your speaker and tell it what you want to listen to, which is nice as opposed to having to use an iPhone app, for example. But yeah, connected devices just aren't huge in the mainstream yet, I think still, like being able to connect your Alexa, your your echo rather with your Nest system or your WiIMO switches or your August lock. These are all great things and really great functionality, but not a ton of people have all those things yet. Yeah, although what the story is pointing out is, you know, the sales have been strong, Amazon has got a lead, even if it's small now, if the if the trend continues, so to speak, this would put them in front of the pack, you don't always stay in front of the pack just because you're in front at the beginning, of course. And I think what I find interesting about it is we all thought voice interface was going to be in your phone and it is in your phone. I'm not saying that it's not. But I remember when Amazon introduced the Echo to the Prime subscribers, a lot of people said why would you ever want that? And I think it's still the jury's out as to exactly why you would want it. But more people found uses for it than it expected. Attackers infected a quarter of systems involved in the running of the San Francisco municipal transportation system, the light rail system muni last week, terminals displayed the message, you hacked all data encrypted on their screens, muni shut down all fare systems allowing customers to ride free Friday evening and all day Saturday backups were not affected though. Some data may have been lost for those couple of days, but they were able to restore the fare system Sunday and service itself was never disrupted. The attackers told motherboard today they will release 30 gigabytes of data stolen from muni unless they receive a payment. Motherboard did not receive proof the attacking group has stolen the data. A lot of times, if there's a ransomware situation where they are threatening to release data, they'll give a little bit of it to a press outlet so they can confirm that and they're not giving that to motherboard. Yeah, this was this is kind of funny because I was reading this article and they were saying how they didn't target muni specifically, they were using software that looks for unprotected networks and kind of grabs onto them and works from there. So it seems a little dubious that maybe they do have a lot of what they say they have, it seems kind of accidental in the first place, maybe, but it didn't seem to really affect things. People were happy they got free rides and everyone's kind of moved on. I don't know what kind of data they think they have unless it's credit card data, but that would be very easy to prove pretty quickly. Or clipper card data, yeah, addresses, credit. Apparently, the clipper card system is run by a third party, which is not doesn't store its data in the system that was affected here. It's the processing system. So that would that would limit the amount of data that was actually stored, possibly they got into the email system and have muni employee information, something like that. I like the idea that the MTA is just like, okay, cool. Yeah. Okay, you have some data. Yeah, we have a backup. We don't care. So we lost Saturday writer data. It's going to affect some projections. My favorite story is the ransom that they were actually asking. It was 100 Bitcoin, which I don't think they even realized what it was that they were if they got any data, like what they were sitting on 100 Bitcoin, which is what is I mean, depending on like the volatility of the market somewhere between 50 and $77,000. But yeah, yeah, you know, just, you know, that's not a ton of ransom kind of thing. That's like, yeah, totally. It's like, okay. Like accidentally, we didn't expect this to happen. Please give us an arbitrary amount of Bitcoin. Don't make your ransom amount into the software. The Wall Street Journal says suppliers say Apple have asked them to, quote, increase output of thinner organic light emitting displays and submit prototype screens with better resolution than ones from Samsung. Weirdly specific, such screens could be used for a curved display. Apple usually works on several prototypes at once. So this may or may not end up as a final design. Samsung being one of the suppliers of screens to Apple, not better than the Galaxy S7. That's how it reads. Yeah, it comes off as like, screw the Galaxy S7. You know, these kinds of stories are interesting because we always want to know what the next Apple product is going to be. But they're not definitive because I believe that the Wall Street Journal suppliers or the suppliers are telling the Wall Street Journal the truth that they've been asked to play around with this. That doesn't mean it's going to work. Doesn't mean Apple's decided on it. It just means that, hey, we could get a curved display and that curve display may just go around the edges. It's not like the phone's gonna be banana shaped necessarily. Hey, you know what? I apologize to our listeners out there. I said the A word and this is something that people have complained about in the past. I turned on people's echoes. I apologize. That's all your time has happened. So I apologize. I promise I won't start ordering expensive things for you. Yeah. With your Amazon Echo. Amy, I'm actually curious. How much stock do you put in these Apple rumors? I put low stock in them. I always kind of keep my expectations low until announcement day. You know, I'm waiting for Apple to do something. Making these incremental changes that really just infuriate its original fan base. I'm on the side of like, listen, I live in the world of change, but this headphone saga, you know, is to me is just indicative of a company that hasn't quite figured out where it's going. Especially when, you know, one of the really interesting things is that as we were creating our annual report for next year, that looks ahead to all the trends you need to know. I realized, you know, we were almost all the way through and Apple really hadn't made a showing. And that's the first year and I think 10 years that that's ever happened. So. Yeah. It's been a while since they had a legitimately new product line that they didn't immediately discount as a hobby. I mean, yeah. You know, and I don't, you know, the thing with the beats and the subscription service, you know, I, again, these, there's a rumor of an Apple car, you know, there's some other things in the works, but I don't think of Google as setting the pace when it comes to artificial intelligence and, you know, neural networks and the cloud and cognitive computing and conversational interfaces, you know, let alone hardware. Yeah. Scientists at MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Laboratory though, do set the pace for artificial intelligence research because it's what they do. They developed a deep learning algorithm to create video simulating the future of a still image. So that takes a still image and then says, well, this is what would happen next if we were to create a video based on that image. The algorithm viewed two million videos as training. One neural network was trained to generate the one to two second based video based on the still. Another network was trained to recognize fakes and then they use what's called adversarial learning. Over time, the generator learned to fool the other neural networks. So the one designed to check fakes couldn't spot the fakes anymore. Human subjects were brought in then to take a look. They deemed generated videos realistic 20% more often than baseline. Research could add animation to things, could detect anomalies in security footage, or even be used for data compressing for storage. Ooh, I wanna see some of these, interesting. C-cell's actually done some, so they've done this with photos, they've done it with videos and they've also done it with sound. So they've trained a neural net to, they like tapped a drumstick on a bunch of different surfaces and the computer systems were able to figure out and predict what that sound was gonna be better than humans. Computers are smart. But this adversarial image thing is a potential problem because you have to sort of train machines, you have to show them the wrong thing in order to get them to always recognize the right thing. But that same exact system could be played around with and you could automatically swap out all images with an Apple logo, for example, with a, I don't know, some other logo or whatever. Yeah, and then train it that that's the wrong thing, even though it's not. Yeah. Gotcha. This is a cool building block towards something very interesting and I don't know what it is, whether it's a computer-generated story, there's so many other pieces that would have to come into place for that, but the idea that we can just take a picture of the beach and have it be a one to two second loop of the tide going in and out, sounds calming to me. Maybe just because it's the beach. Or you could just watch a video of the beach. Yeah, but what if I have that perfect picture and then I didn't, you know. Life's not perfect, Tom. You have to accept the, nevermind, whatever. That's Instagram thinking again, isn't it? I'm sorry, I got to stop that. Elon Musk posted on Twitter that new Model S owners will receive the enhanced autopilot update in about three weeks. Features will be rolled out incrementally on a monthly basis and Tesla says it wants cars to be capable of full autonomy by the end of 2017. Where are we saying that we wanted it to be called something different? Like driving helper. Yeah. I like Tesla driving helper. I think it rolls off the tongue nicely. Mr. Musk has dug his feet in on this one. He's not going to change the name, but full autonomy, let's set aside for the moment that you can mean so many different things by saying that by the end of 2017, could we have anything that anyone by any definition to call full autonomy in a Tesla that seems unlikely? I don't think it's out of, really out of the potential. We already have trucks that are driving autonomously. So, but I mean, on roads, on highways, yeah, on surface streets. The tech, this is, so this is one of the core principles from my book, but like the technology may be ready, but we're not going to have regulations in time. We're not going to have like the NTSB isn't going to figure out what it wants to do in time. Each one of the states, I mean, there are all these other layers of problems, plus the Tesla works okay in highway situations, but to navigate around streets, you need other cars synced up and sort of talking to each other. So, and every one of the automakers has rolled back its claims of full autonomy. Ford is now saying 2021, right? So this is all well and good, but the whole system has to be able to work together. Yeah, I would expect by the end of 2017, Tesla will have something they can call full autonomy. Maybe it's driving on a fairly straight stretch of freeway or something like that. I don't expect them to say, we have a car that you will never have to put your hands on the wheel if you can get regulators to sign off on it. Just don't think we're that close to that. Yeah. Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Big thanks to all the people who keep that place running too. We have some great mods in there keeping it going. All right, the signals are talking. Why today's fringe is tomorrow's by Amy Webb is your new book coming out December 6th. Before we get into the wider conversation, just tell us a little bit about what people can expect when they pick up the book. So this is not a book that tells you sci-fi visions of the future. It is a book that tells you how to do what I do. I'm a futurist, and from my point of view, real futurists who do modeling and write scenarios and use evidence and data to try to figure out what's coming next, those tools, I think, should be democratized. I think everybody should be able to do what I can do. And there really isn't anything out there teaching others how to do this. So this book is to take the tools of a futurist and to give them to everybody so that everybody is doing what I do so that we all make better decisions about the future and the present. I like what you say about the fringe. Today's fringe is tomorrow's future because that is a principle I've seen happen over and over again, something that a few folks know about in the corner. And maybe a lot, again, sort of like the Amazon Echo, a lot of people go, why would you want that? I remember people saying that about Twitter. Why would you want that? But enough people are enthusiastic about it that you know there's something there. What do you mean by identify the fringe when you say that? So, you know, from my, so, you know, futurists who do this professionally, for us, we are looking for signposts and those signposts are trends, which I can talk about in a minute, but to get to that point, you know, by the time you read about something in the verge or Ars Technica, you know, by that point, it's sort of a fully formed idea. And the goal is to find the information so that you can create sort of a map of where we're going and you have to start out on the fringe. So these are people who are doing early experimentation. It's a lot of pre-publication academic research. It's people in Reddit talking about ideas, some of which sound crazy, but some of which, you know, as crazy as they may sound will wind up coming into fruition in some way. So you want to capture and sort of survey the landscape there and start identifying patterns in order to figure out what a trend candidate might be. And yeah, I mean, the fringe is sort of, you know, it's different. You sort of start from a different point every time that you're researching something, but you know, you want to look in places like the patent trademark office. You want to look at patents to see what people are filing. You know, you want to sort of turn over rocks and the other important thing is if you're trying to figure out the future of a particular technology, you have to take a really broad look. So if I were trying to figure out what's the future, for example, of CRISPR and genetic editing, you know, I would be looking at the research, but I would also be looking at, for example, China and China's relationship with the United States. I think that biology is our next space race pitting the US against China, but that involves our political relationships. You would also need to look at agriculture. You would also need to look at what black hat hackers are doing and their relationships with organized crime. So you have to sort of look in these different pockets and once you create this big map of all these different groups, then you have to observe relationships. So what are all the connections? And that starts to tell you information. So how do I tell if something is just trendy because everyone's talking about it and something's an actual trend that is gonna stick, that's gonna catch on. Sure, so in the book I explained that trends have four characteristics and the book is all about technology. How do you sort of forecast the future of technology trends, but it is things that fundamentally leverage our human behavior. They tend to fall into sort of 10 sources of modern change. Trends that are worth paying attention to are usually pretty boring. You can't just, like there's no catchphrase for me to explain a trend that we're following it's like a sentence, and they're usually not trendy. So Uber, the Uber for X trend that everybody has been talking about for the past couple years, that is not a trend. That's a bunch of people trying to capitalize on a successful business model and most of them not doing it well. Autonomous driving, autonomous travel is a trend. Here's the interesting thing, that's been around for a hundred years. So oftentimes trends will evolve over a slow period of time. They tend not to just materialize overnight. And you can't really tell the speed a trend is going as well as much as you can tell that there is a trend, right, like is there a point where you can say, okay, this is going to happen sooner than later? Yeah, well we do try to track their trajectory. So when, you know, at work, we work with lots of different companies and they want to know how soon is the future? Yeah, how soon is this technology going to hit? And so you can track these sort of, Gartner does these hype cycles. You can track product adoption and product development, but that has nothing to do with like external events that happen. So we were talking about autonomous cars. The technology might be ready for Tesla. The problem is all of the ancillary stuff that happens on the outside. So, you know, regulation that might be coming through the availability of parts and tools, you know, maybe that each individual state changes its licensure. I mean, there could be any number of things. So you have to calculate both of those things together, which is why, again, there is no answer, right? There is no spoon. But I need to know what company to start. Come on, you have to tell me what direction to go in here. So, but that's Bronca, that's the right, that's exactly the right attitude. What direction? That I can tell you. I just can't give you, because the future doesn't linear, right? So I can give you a general direction and we can narrow that down and we can keep narrowing it and keep narrowing it with the expectation that we'll make adjustments. But I can't tell you when exactly the future shows up and what exactly it will look like. So I work for a bot company, am I screwed? Please say no. I have made a couple of AI versions of myself and have deployed them over the past couple of months and I've baked it, so I'm training them in real time and the amount of sexist, disgusting, horrible, right, it's common. Oh yeah, I had to shut down. I had a personal bot as well and I was also training language training. It did not go well. Here's what I did with mine. If you start trying to harass the digital version of me, which by the way is not gendered, that version of Amy will help you learn how to be a better human being. That's awesome. So, but it's also emblematic of something that if you're thinking about the future, right, this is how Microsoft got into problems with AI or with Tay, right? They weren't thinking through the implications. And that exact same thing was Shouse, which was a chat system that was released in China. They duplicated and released that in the United States without going through these exact steps that I'm talking about. And that's how you wind up with problems. So anyhow. That's interesting that you mentioned that because, oh, Malik wrote a post today in the New Yorker, I think, about the repercussions of optimizing for growth and scale rather than societal implications and that's something we're talking a lot about now because of the election, for example, and how Facebook and Twitter, weren't thinking that kind of thing through in terms of deciding whether to be a platform or whether to be a news outlet. So I think we're seeing a lot of technology become so commonplace and essential to our day-to-day lives. A lot of this is playing out in real time and it's really fascinating to watch. Absolutely. One of the things that I noticed is that a lot of the themes of your book and a lot of the things that you talk about in general play directly to this idea that's been around forever of companies that start out like Google as incredibly disruptive and cool and then reach that point where Google, Facebook and Amazon are all now where they start to get stale and how do they keep that excitement? How do they keep that forward-looking ability that they had when they were young and small? And I noticed you mentioned Blackberry at one point, I think in one of the descriptions of the book, just today Ottawa gave permission for a Blackberry-backed project in self-driving cars. So Blackberry is a great example of not doing it right for years, right? And just kind of stagnating. Is that, what do you think of that, I guess, is what I'm wondering, Amy? You know, it is, I can name just a few companies that have been strong on vision and loose on details and haven't had to pivot from their original mission. IBM has always been trying to make computations, right? They've been around for a hundred years. Nintendo is a gaming company that's been around for a hundred years. And there are a handful that are still surviving. It hasn't always been terrific, but these companies I would put, you know, I would say have not just outlasted changes in technology, but in many ways have helped set the standard for what's to come next. So part of the problem is people have a low threshold for change. We seem to want change all the time, but when confronted with it, we don't know how to handle it. And so it makes, you know, Google now is yesterday's news, right? Even though Google is very much at the forefront of artificial intelligence, and neural network capabilities building, but this is like the boring stuff that most people don't see until it arrives fully formed. And the whole point of all of this, whether you're a person who's interested in tech or a company is to sort of intercept the process beforehand. So there are plenty of companies that I think have the ability without having to pivot 15 different times, right? Or burying their heads in the sand and ignoring what's happening. You know, there's a lot of opportunity, again, to forecast and see what's coming and to in some cases adjust and adapt in other cases, be at the forefront of what's happening, you know. I find it really interesting that you use IBM as an example of that because it's perfect. I think of IBM as a company that's pivoted many times, right? They were punch cards and then typewriters and then mainframes and then personal computers and then cloud services. But you pointed out that every time they pivoted, they weren't really pivoting. They were changing their approach to the same problem, right? That's right. And I wouldn't even argue not changing the approach, but advancing, you know, they have 3000 researchers just working in the Watson division and Watson is so much more than a clever jeopardy trick or like that cool place at South by where you can get food, you know, they are reinventing the infrastructure. So, but again, I would say that that's something that they've always done. I would say that with Google, Google's got a space elevator project that I don't know whether or not it's still actually big built, you know, they've got VR, they had their AR experiment, you know, but I think all of, you know, for Google, what I see is building this invisible information layer. So, Microsoft, we don't even think about Microsoft anymore. Microsoft is an invisible infrastructure layer without which most of the world would not function, right? We all love to make fun of Microsoft, but the reality is that like half of what, you know, and we all love to make fun of Amazon, but half the world runs on AWS. I think that Google is building this invisible information layer, which will, you know, we won't even think about in a couple of years, but will power our everyday lives. And Matt, if you think about it that way, all of these crazy hair brain projects, including the health project, right? They all have been like that. Well, maybe they can work harder on supporting multi, multiple accounts on Google Home. That would be great if they could start there. I'd appreciate that. Please cure cancer. But also multiple accounts on Google. Multiple accounts on Google Home, thanks. There's no reason you can't do both. All right, let's say I real quickly get to our pick of the day from Marlin, the guy from Trinidad. He wrote us a couple of weeks back that the BBC has released the Android and iOS app Attenborough's Story of Life. Marlin thinks it's fantastic. He says, you get access to over 1,000 clips from David Attenborough's various shows and in the app you can assemble the clips to create your own mini documentary. There are Easter eggs of hidden clips of Sir David defined. I got one funnily enough after adding a few bird clips into my collection, the only downside is that all the video is streamed, so you should use it on Wi-Fi. And I would have loved Chromecast support, but those minor complaints fade away as soon as you see the beautiful footage and hear that iconic Attenborough voice, Marlin says highly recommend it. How fun, that sounds really great. Yeah, just be able to not only make a little mini documentary out of this wealth of information, but then have David Attenborough's voice on top of it. And the guy just had his 90th birthday and he's still going strong. That's awesome. Yeah, send your pics to us, folks. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com and you can find more pics at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash pics. Quickly, a reminder for folks in the DC area, the Balto Wash area, this Wednesday, November 30th, a bunch of fans of Daily Tech News Show wanted me to tell you they're getting together in the Washington DC area. I won't be there, but they will if you wanna stop by O'Sullivan's Pub on Washington Boulevard in Arlington, Virginia. We'll have details in the show notes as well. Or you could just go to bit.ly slash dcdrinks2016. In fact, Big Jim, who's been putting this together, would like to make sure he knows how many people are coming. So if you are planning to go, if you could go there and let him know bit.ly slash dcdrinks2016. Thank you, Amy Webb, for joining us. Again, the book is called The Signals Are Talking, why today's fringe is tomorrow's mainstream. It comes out December 6th. Anything else to let folks know about it? You know, I, again, like, I want everybody to read, it's not like light weekend reading, but if you get through it, you're gonna be able to do what I can do and what all these other, you know, again, practicing futurists can do, which can only make all of us better. It will mean that, you know, if I've done my job, the future for you will be boring from now on, and that's the best possible situation you can be in. Because you'll know everything that's gonna happen? Because you'll, you won't be surprised. You won't be shocked, yeah. Well, and I love that you call it forecasting because I think that is, that puts you in a better mindset than predictions where it's like yes or no, right or wrong. That's right, that's right, that's absolutely right. And, you know, it's not, I'm not trying to say I'm hedging my bets, but there's a whole scientific sort of explanation around chaos theory and how one change leads to another and only one thing can happen next. So what this is is a comprehensive guide to sort of get you on the path. And once you start doing this, you see the whole world differently and you start making better decisions. So my great hope is in 2017, everybody is using the tools of a futurist. Go check out the book and also the Future Today Institute at futuretodayinstitute.com. Veronica Belmont, anything to let folks know about before we get out of here? No, I pre-ordered my copy so I can own all of you at the DTNS prediction show. Oh, fantastic. That's my plan. We should change it to the DTNS forecast. Also, apparently I'm in some kind of JJ Abrams, like Lens Flare, like film right now for the video users. So I apologize. Yeah, totally. Yeah, this is the look I'm going for. Absolutely. It's a good look. We'll check it out. And wait a minute, do you have a Sorden Laser Grobot thing to plug? No, no, that's just- Sure, those things, that works. Yeah, you have both of those things. For a second, I read this is sordenlaser.com slash grobot.io. Those are two separate URLs. Those are two separate URLs. Don't forget, folks, you can support this show with PayPal donations. We have Cyber Monday sale going on at thedailytechdrewshow.com slash store. And mostly we make the show happen because of patreon.com slash DTNS. Huge thanks to all our supporters. And all of you, welcome the new patrons as they come on board, including Garrett, David, John Moore, and Tyler Cardinal. You guys are the best for making sure that this show can continue. Roger Chang is putting together our holiday specials and we're gonna have one called Underrated Stories. So if you would this week, think of a story that you thought was really exciting this year, but maybe you didn't get enough discussion or kind of went under the radar and then send it to us, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com with the subject line underrated. And if you feel like it, you can attach a little 10, 15 second audio clip explaining why you thought that story was good. Again, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com subject line underrated. That is our email address. You are also live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv and our website is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Patrick Beja. Talk to you then. This part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. That was great, you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you. Good stuff, Amy. We definitely need to have you back because we could have talked a lot longer. I would love to come back anytime. Like I said, I cannot believe that I'm actually on the show. Oh, please. That's crazy. I'm honored to have you. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Yeah, for sure. Thank you very much. Thank you both. Yeah. I don't know if I explained this. I probably should put this in the email I send to people but once we're done with the show, I stick around while I edit. Veronica usually has to take off because she's in the middle of her work day. And so if you need to go, go. If you want to hang around, you're welcome to do that as well. Okay. I have to go see my child. Oh, please. Go see your child. Go home from school and feed her. Yeah, especially if your child is hungry, you should feed. All right. Sounds good. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you again, Amy. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Let's look at titles here. Yeah, let's pick a title before you go. What's the feature? Find out tomorrow. I can't sit like this anymore. All your subways are belong to us. Tracking trend trajectories. Tread trajectories. Tread trajectories. JJ's fringe is tomorrow's future. I like that one too. Cover Alex's ears. Veronica's talking. All good things must trend. Oh, that's good. That's good. That one's really good too. Be me down, Casey. Be me me down. Be me me me me me me me down. Makes sense actually. Be me me down. Trend versus trendy. Be meh be meh be meh. Which way the trend is blowing. Don't trend all your money in one place. Don't trend on me. Don't trend on me. That went to my head. That's not an option. We just made that up. You can't handle the change. MTA meh we're hacked. Trendy X. Remy dead yet. The fringe of the future. First of all, it's not called RIM anymore. They officially changed their name to Blackberry several years ago. No future, but what we make. All good things must trend is at the top. I think all good things must trend is my favorite. I will agree with that. Motion carried. Like the ocean. All good things must trend. I like it. OK. Well, Roger triggered the echo, even though I was listening on the echo. So we said, Alexa. Hey, stop it. Don't do it on purpose. It's mean. People get very angry about it. They literally left a bad review to the show because they gave us a one-star review on iTunes because of it. That was a little silly. Don't do it. I know you're going to do it again. What? I could see it in your eyes. Dang. Now we can't think of anything else. No, I just think of all the other names that that sound just like that or start with that sound. Sergeant Muffin said it didn't work that second time. I'm sure I could use some surplus of adult diapers. What surplus? So that means you're eating. Shout again. OK, sorry. When you say non sequiturs, I have to just now start to assume that you're reading chat. Oh, B Masters, I think he's saying you could order some on his echo. But then you'll be ordering it on everyone's echo. But he says, I'm sure some could use. Oh, some could use. I thought he's saying he could use. Oh, no, you're right. He says some. Some could use this. Yeah, beef, beef asked the right question. How much longer until these devices can recognize different people's voices? Like, there should definitely be something to stop what happened to Sergeant Muffin, where it's like, oh, that came out of my own speaker. I'm not going to pay attention to that. Shane. All right, I should probably go. All right, yes. Go back into that dark portal from what you have emerged. It looks like you're in the witness protection program. Now I'm now I'm. Oh, man, I can't win. But yeah, I do look back right now. OK, bye. All right, thanks, Veronica. See you. David, that burrow, burrow, burrow, burrow. Sir David Attenborough to us, I suppose. So we we don't have titles in the United States. Oh, you mean like aren't those like a royal title? Yeah, we don't have a royal system. Isn't that in the inherently classist and therefore to be shunned? Well, no, that's technically not true because we have doctors. Like we doctor so and so. We have those kind. Yeah, we have occupational titles, but we don't have titles as in, you know, Duke, Queen, we don't have heritable titles. So I guess where I was going with that is do we then. But when, say, the president of the United States goes to England and meets the Queen, he will say your majesty and things like that. Does he need to? I mean, I know it would be considered rude, but we don't have those here. Do we need to respect them? I'm just thinking of this because I'm like, I'm always like, oh, it's Sir David Attenborough. But then I don't know. Oh, I mean, I assume is that rude not to call him that it depends on the person. Right. Wouldn't I mean, I guess if you were in Britain and you were addressing her in a form of capacity, you would talk to her according to their rules. Yes. But we don't have those rules. I guess we have sort of informal rules like call someone Sir. Sir, ma'am, miss, kid, hey, kid, what are you doing? I mean, like even after his term finishes, you would still refer to him as President Obama, right? Technically, isn't that it's not how it's done? You don't say former, oh, former president. Correct. Like Secretary Clinton, they were insisting because she was at one point, Secretary of State, so you keep that title, but it's not heritable. But it would be it is considered rude not to refer to a governor as governor. So so and so. But those are jobs. Well, no, I know their jobs. I wouldn't ask them. I wouldn't ask them. Well, maybe people should come up with their own. No, I started. I wonder if it is still online, the National American Title Board. I started that back in the 90s. Look at that. It's still there. Subbrilliant.com slash titles. Article one, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the individual states from granting titles of nobility. No national agency has filled in this role. America's lack of titular history means two immediate benefits to U.S. title seekers. I did this in 1999. Hmm, sounds like it. Yes, sir, is not a heritable title. Correct. That's a good point and Ian. I'm trying to think of any other system where you would have a hereditary. I mean, Emperor isn't even a hereditary title, even though it somehow manifested itself that way in Japan. Well, yeah, and in Rome. Well, sometimes, sometimes in some portions of Roman history. It generally wasn't. It's a title of nobility. I think heritable has less to do with it because you're right. You can have a title in Rome of Emperor, which isn't inherent. Nobility. So anyway, I started to grant people titles over the Internet. And it was fun until someone actually sent me a check to make them a duke. And then I sent their check back. I was like, oh, no, this was all just a joke. I would if you see that I have a title register up there, that was just. That was just all my friends. I want to be a duke. Can you be a Duke of Hazard County? Although sometimes people use the terms like princelings and stuff in a very condescending or dismissive manner. Sure. Yeah. But then princeling isn't the official title. So that's that's part of the part of the diss, the disrespecting. Send the check. I'll make you a king. Maybe I should have accepted that check and just started running. I was worried I would get sued as a scam if I actually accepted money. Yeah, but like, yeah. Because I, you know, I was living on the border of legality as far as a business goes. Right. Like this is like buying a naming a star, I guess. Yeah, it's like that company gets sued all the time. But for what? I mean, for fraud, for saying they're naming a star. And then people are like, but that's not NASA doesn't recognize that. And so they have to defend themselves and go, well, yeah, NASA doesn't, but that doesn't mean we don't. We're the National Star Registry. We all recognize you. Yeah, we didn't ever say they're like, we never, they, it's the thing where like they can defend themselves and say we never promised you NASA would recognize it. Whereas I, especially back then as a impoverished bookstore worker, did not feel like I wanted to defend myself in court, even if I was going to win. If random people can print you your college degree, but someone brand that when you say can, yeah, random people can print you a college degree. That doesn't mean it could legal. Yeah, I'm still a little miffed that my college diploma was just a sheet of paper in a manila envelope. While the one from my high school was actually bound in that leatherette fight. Same for me. Same for me. I was like, jeez. I had the little, it was a leatherette case, like you say, but it was nice. It was smaller though. It was smaller, but you know what? It's kind of classy compared to a sheet of paper. Well, you could buy it, right? At the University of Illinois, you could buy the diploma holder, you know, the leatherette holder and all of that if you wanted. But if you didn't pay extra, you just got the manila envelope with the degree. I just want you to pay, pay, pay. Didn't I pay enough for each unit? Right, that's what I thought. I'm like, didn't I? I paid fees all the whole time. Like the gown and cap fees were more than what I paid in high school for a gown and cap. Well, that makes sense. And it's not like I'm physically bigger. No, but they're higher, they're higher learning gowns. I didn't even get a gown. I skipped my graduation ceremony. My, my department had its thing in a different location at the little high school field. It's like, I don't want to stand out there. Well, the University of Illinois, they have the big one on the football field where they call you up by, but they, they basically just name your college and everybody stands like you don't actually get to walk the podium. Then they had smaller ones for the individual colleges that were you'd actually walk across the, you know, while they, they said your name. And it just felt like a lot of trouble. I was also in Washington DC instead of in Champaign and I didn't want to fly back just for that. Oh yeah, that'd be kind of annoying. Oh, now I have it. W. Scottus won. He posted some links. No cloud DVR at launch for direct TV now. Thank you, W. Scottus won. Got to cancel my utilities at the end of the week. Oh, I got to get internet this week with her too. You only have a spectrum, right? That's no, no. I also, I think ATT with their fabulous up to 50 megapixel per second DSL. Oh, it's up to 50 now? At least in my area, that area. Wow. That's actually more than I expected to hear you say. I think they charge you roughly the same. So I don't see. Why you would ever pay for a slower speed? Yeah. I mean, unless they're throwing in like, you know, like a bunch of freebies. Well, you'll be able to get direct TV now, zero rated. Are you going to get cable? Yeah, yeah. I think part of it is because it's just there and it's an easy way to keep everyone happy with programs without necessarily having to fiddle with. Like one of the biggest, one of the biggest things I've noticed and I noticed this with my parents and my sisters is oftentimes hard to find something they want to watch. Because my parents are so used to just having the TV run in the background. Yeah. Kind of thing. And you just kind of just do whatever. Well, if you did PlayStation View or Direct TV now or Sling, you have that same experience. You can just turn stuff, something on. But it's glitchy sometimes. Like it's fine for me, but sometimes it's not. It's just not as familiar, I guess. And my dad has like a Chinese set top streaming service. So he just watches that most of the time. 40 bucks a month. Not 40 bucks, a little less like 14 bucks a month. So coax is good if you don't want to go over, was it? Where do you limit it to 150 megabits? No, spectrum. I think they go up to 300. Maybe not in all neighborhoods, I don't know. I just wish Giggle Fiber was in my hood. Me too. I have Fiber, but it only goes up to half gig. Is it Fiber to the premises or just to the network? No, Fiber into the home, yeah. My father-in-law had one of those from Verizon. And it was capped at like 27 megabits. It was really slow. Oh God, that's ridiculous. No, we had Verizon when we moved in here and it was capped at 300. That was the highest you could get. But they raised it to 500 and then they sold to Frontier. Frontier's had it for a while now and Frontier hasn't raised it. Frontier's had it since last spring, I think. Whenever I had to do the show from Allison Sheridan's house, that's how long Frontier's had the Fiber here. All right, I think I got everything published. So this was a good show. Can't wait to have Amy Webb back, she was great. Thanks everybody for watching or listening. Thank you, Roger. Thank you. And we'll talk to you tomorrow.