 God, this is awful. Oh, we're up. We're live. We are live. And can you see us? Yes. Oh my gosh, that is so funny. We've been live for about 30 seconds and had no idea. Welcome to this live stream. We're using new software. This is what happens sometimes. I'm Brittany from AJ and SMART. Thanks so much for joining us. We are going to do kind of a special thing today. We're going to actually look into a few of our favorite apps. And I have senior product designers with me. And we're going to kind of critique them. We're going to talk about what we like about them, what we don't like about them, what we think they should do next, what they definitely shouldn't do, blah, blah, blah. It's going to be fabulous. So I have Dee here. Hi. Dee is a product designer extraordinaire. She does all of our training. She trains people around the world on design sprints and innovation stuff. So a very big brain. You wouldn't know it. I'm sorry that I said that, but it's true. And then we also have Tim here. Hi, everyone. Yeah, Tim is a product design director. So he is running sprints with some of the biggest companies in the world. So he's seen his fair share of products. So before we dive in, guys, I would love to ask you a couple of questions. So firstly, how many apps do you guys both use on a daily basis? Or how many digital products, I should say? Should I go first? Yeah, yeah, sure. It's not a lot, to be honest. I mean, I tried to turn my phone to this distraction-free iPhone thing that Jake Knapp came up with. And I mean, the number of apps I use every day, I can probably count them on one hand. It's probably not more than four, I would say. However, that changes when a sprint is coming up. That when I have to do research on products, I usually download a lot of stuff and just try it out. So then at the end of the sprint, usually I get rid of it. But sometimes some stuff actually sticks, and I keep using it. Yeah, but on a day-to-day basis, maybe it's like three, two, four. That is not very many, Dee. That is, I remind many more. But I think I'm actually also really maybe compared to the average using not so many apps. But then if you've got an iPhone, you've got this app called ScreenTime, where you can actually just see all the apps that you've opened. And I'm like, yeah, me too. But then I'm like, wait, I checked the weather in the morning, I maybe used my public transport app to get a ticket to come to work, or maybe I used, I can see my scooter sharing app that I use. I use Google Maps, I use Foursquare, I use Facebook to check an event this morning that someone invited me to. WhatsApp for messages, Facebook Messenger for messages. So actually, I thought I was, and Slack, of course. Like what was like 15? Yeah, so it must be something like 15, 20 altogether. That's a lot, actually. Sleep timer as well that I check in the morning, my sleep tracker. So this is really interesting, because I think you're on the heavy side. My alarm clock, when I turned it off in the morning, was using an app. That's true, yeah. But Tim's on the lighter side. So this will be interesting if you guys have different perspectives on what you like look for in a product. Would you consider yourselves early adopters? I think I'm pretty informed on things that happen, but I am usually pretty hesitant to try out new stuff just for the sake of it. It's a big commitment, I think. Like very often you just need to invest time to get into something new. And yeah, I mean, just by the nature of having to do research for sprints, I would say I have to be aware of new products coming out. And I find them interesting. It's just that my interest pretty much stops after I've learned what I needed to learn. And then I kind of get rid of it. Makes sense, yeah. And I think I don't have a really broad like, oh my gosh, I have to try everything new. But as soon as something's new, like I have thinking two years ago, there was a new scooter sharing service in Berlin. I was like right in there. You jumped on it. We're in the beta version. And then also this car shift sounds like I just drive everywhere all the time. This new car sharing where you can share other people's cars went on weekends when they don't use it. It's really good. So I tried that and that was also just in that first. So as soon as I hear something that's brand new like that I want to use, I'm just straight in there. Okay, cool. And then really quickly, you actually discover new products. Are you actively looking for them or do you hear about them from people or on websites or? People, I hear about them people. Yeah. Not browsing. Often people in the office actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our office is, yeah. We're always looking for new products. A product designer, Fedor always knows the coolest new apps for some reason. I don't know how he does it, but he's always like, he's the first to know when something cool happens. Fedor basically. That's true. Fedor and probably like tech news, the word or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or through Tim, through the Verge. Yeah, exactly. So it gets to me. Okay, cool. All right, so let's dive in then. We're gonna actually look at some of Tim's favorite apps and some of Dee's favorite apps and kind of just talk through them and feel free to ask any questions you might have or comment on some things. If you're like, hey, there's a way better app, you should try this one. Whatever, let us know. Yeah. So what's your first app, Dee? Okay, so I've got some stuff to show I'm picking up the phone. There are lots of things. I tried to think of ones that I use all the time and really like, but there's also super annoying things that I want to kind of talk about. So I'm gonna start with Google Maps. Everyone, well, at least I, most people I think use Google Maps all the time, some kind of map to get around, to find places for sure. But there was this particular thing that I think they don't do very well and I wanted to talk about, which is this kind of explore thing. And especially if we look at, say, just restaurants and then you get, okay, you've got some recommendations nearby. You see ratings and stuff there, but on this map view is what I really want to see, like usually I'm on the street and someone's like, oh, let's go get some food or hey, do you know a good cafe nearby? Yeah. And I want to see on the map where things are. So this now isn't actually telling me so much. In fact, I know, this is where we are right now on this map, I know there's a bunch of restaurants in between all really good ones, like aren't on here. There's umami, there's all these places that aren't coming up. Why not? I don't know. Also it's not actually giving me any information. It's just saying, red dot restaurant here, not what kind of food it is or the rating you're a robot. It's just like food here. Yeah. Food now please. Doesn't matter what it is. So then in comparison, I want to go to four square, which I use all the time and I'm always, this is really, I'm curious, like first of all Tim, do you use four square? I used to, yeah. You used to. I think that's nice people. I stopped using it a couple of years ago when they made that big split where they suddenly had two apps. One, I think yes, worm and four square. And yeah, I just didn't want to have like two apps for basically the same thing. So that I kind of like stopped using it. But I actually agree that the stuff, like sometimes when I'm going to a new place, like traveling for work or something, I actually download four square again just because I know that the recommendations on four square are actually way more interesting and relevant to do that and the stuff on Google Maps. You don't want to waste your time just trying to walk by a place. And oh, it's not that good, but now I've wasted my one evening. But people always, like Dee and I were talking, people always make fun of us when we use four square. I would be so curious if you guys want to say in the comments, do you use four square? Yeah. Or do you actively hate it? Yeah, but I love it because literally just like this, I can say I want to have lunch near me and I've got very clear ordered lists showing it with the coloring, also showing me what are the most interesting places that I should look at first as opposed to Google Maps, which has far fewer, I don't know why. And there's no information about which one might be the best one to look at first. So with Google Maps, I literally have to like tap here and look at this one and tap here and look at this one and then with four square, I can just easily say, oh, well, look, that's number one and it's right next to me. So I'm going to check that one out and, oh, no, thanks. And then I can see all these other ones. So this was a really big point. I just want to look at my notes now to check if there was something else that I really wanted to say. Do you want to say something to them? Yeah, I think it's interesting that for a company like Google that wants to organize all the knowledge in the world to actually do a pretty bad job compared to four square, just on that alone is interesting because I mean, there's probably stuff that I would never go to four square to that Google is really excellent at. It's just that just because four square is so focused on doing one thing really, really, really well and they're only doing that thing, they actually can compete against Google. And I think that's pretty interesting. This is the other point I wanted to make was that at the Google, the big Google conference, Google IO just recently, they announced this new thing where Google Lens, which is this kind of AI part of Google Maps, I think. Hope I get that right. That they have this new feature where you can be in a restaurant and you can kind of just scan or just hold your phone over the menu and get all these photos and recommendations and tips and things of that restaurant from source, sounds really cool, right? But then why aren't they putting energy into making the restaurant part of Google Maps actually worth using so that people use it and post photos and get ratings and give ratings? So that was really curious to me. I guess it's also because, I mean, Google is really good at getting all the, almost like data that can actually be collected by machines, but when it comes to the enjoyment of a restaurant, that's you can't just send a robot to a restaurant and you actually have to rely on users giving you that information. And I mean, I personally use Google Maps as a utility to get around, but I don't necessarily see it as a community thing where I actually enjoy giving reviews on stuff. And do you trust, like, I don't trust the Google reviews. I never trust them. No, me too. That's the other thing is that the Google Maps ratings of places are always way higher than Foursquare, for example, because I don't know why actually, but I trust Foursquare so much more. This is also cool, like, you can draw in Foursquare and say, okay, I just wanna have dinner by the river. So show me the places by the river. It's so great. That's actually really cool. I don't know that. Yeah. I don't use it that much, but it's really cool. You can draw in my app. Yeah. Did you have anything else about Google Maps? I don't know. No, not really. I mean, I think what Google Maps, like I use Google Maps pretty often when I'm going to some place in the city I've never been before because Google Maps is really good at telling you the best and most efficient way to get there. And I guess that's where Google is really, really good because I mean, they can, you know, like actually make the calculations and everything. And with machine learning and all of that stuff, it's actually really easy for them to give you that information quite reliably and also like up to date. So they will, they would also show you when like a train is coming late. And yeah, for that sort of stuff, it's really, really good. Yeah, navigation, exactly. But yeah, I mean, actually like looking at it like this side by side is actually quite impressive because I wasn't aware that it's that different, that it makes that big of a difference. It's just so much information. Compared to Google. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Okay, what's your next one? Oh, okay, great. So there's kind of a little bit related in a way as well. There's a link. Everyone knows this app, Airbnb. It's great. It's great. There's no other competitor that I would ever at them really, that's competing with it for me. I'm going to use Airbnb every time I travel and need to stay somewhere. So generally amazing. But what I wanted to point out was when you want to really choose a place, there are some things that for me is just missing. That makes it really a bit more annoying to have to pick the final place. So for example, if I want to go to San Francisco with three friends or three colleagues, then I'm kind of doing this search. Actually, we were saying already today that it's a little like, okay, so it looks like- Clunky, yeah. Clunky now, there seems to be a lot of newer stuff that make it harder to just go show me the places. So I think it's this one. And then I get this more kind of stuff. And then it took me actually a while before to figure out that there's actually this little location pin at the bottom, the map, the map. Which is what you want. That's what I want. I want to see where the places are and pick my place. So now I've got this map of places. But now what I do, and I'd love to know if other people do this too, every single time I'm gonna stay anywhere new. I'm looking at all these places. I've got my filtered search. I'm like, okay, there's this one here. There's this one here. Maybe there's this one over here. Actually, this is kind of a cool area. Maybe I want to stay there even though it's a bit further away. So I'm thinking, where do I want to be? Where do I need? Well, I'm going to San Francisco for work. We're gonna work at a particular office space when we're there. Maybe it's like over on this side of town. But these places might be not so nice to stay in. And I love this area, the Castro in San Francisco. So how easy is it gonna be for me to get from this place that I really like over to every day to this office where I need to work at? So then I always, usually maybe I'm actually on my laptop, computer, but it's exactly the same. Then I'm going back to my old Google Maps to say, now I've got to type this in, to say San Francisco. And then it kind of gives me, hopefully, oh, it did before, gave me the public transport and stuff. Or I would go, okay, where is this place that I really liked? Which one was it? This one. So I want to get to, from like, when of this park to, let's just say, I'm going to this Transamerica Pyramid. And then I'm going to work there. So then I go into Google Maps and I type in his place and how long does it take me to get over here? What will the public transport be like? How long might it overtake? Oh no, that's too much hassle. Okay, so maybe I'm going to pick one of these other places closer to my location. But then there's a second thing that I really want to do when I'm choosing the place as well. And that is going back over to my old four square. And I don't want to stay in a place, maybe it's close to the office, but it's super boring area and there's not going to be any restaurants and cafes and places to go. So then I'm looking for places in San Francisco. I'm going, okay, no, I don't want to stay in that area because there's no, maybe I need to search again. There's no cool places. Maybe I want to stay somewhere over here. So then I'm going back. So basically my point is what I would love is if Airbnb would somehow put this, like show me where the cafes are, show me where the restaurants are, show me where the bars are. So my question there would be, I wonder if that is like the super user, right? Is that the usual, that people are really looking for a place that's like full with restaurants and that's close to this one specific spot or is that because we're special users at that? I think my hunch is that this is probably really relevant for business, like people who are traveling for business because usually like, I would do research before I go on a vacation and already know, okay, I want to see this and this and this and this is cool area. But especially if you're just going for one or two days, you don't have a lot of time. So maybe you just want to maximize the free time you have by finding like the cool spots that are still close to wherever you were working. And I think that could be such a cool feature to just have like, okay, you want to be here, but if you stay here, you can actually get there just as fast with, I don't know, the light rail or something like that. And there's like a lot more cool stuff happening there. That would be so great for business trips. Yeah, it could be also like sometimes you travel to visit a friend and you maybe stay and you want to get somewhere that's easy to get to your friend's place. But yeah, I think you're right, it's more for business travelers, but I can imagine completely that it was, it was several years ago now that Airbnb did make some changes to accommodate business travelers like group bookings that someone else can book and other people can. So this seems like another, like a big market for them, a big potential thing that to make it super smooth would be good, but then they already have the market as well. So I don't know if it's worth. But Airbnb is getting more and more expensive as well. So I feel like it's more, it is becoming a little bit more geared towards the business traveler. You know what I mean? It isn't really for a budget traveler anymore. There's so many extra fees and actually the prices are quite high. Like they used to be much more affordable, I feel like, but it's really kind of shifted. That's interesting, could be. The whole thing's a bit more premium. They've got this premium experiences and they've got this like plus premium kind of homes and stuff now. Exactly, super interesting. Quick, before we transition to Tim's apps, we've been told in the comments that Yelp is something that, I mean, obviously we all know about Yelp and apparently there's an AR feature of some sort. I don't know what that is. Yeah, that sounds cool, right? What's the note? Like you can hold it up. The Fredo films said Yelp used to have an, oh, used to have an AR feature. Okay, well, not anymore. I find Yelp just like using it. I just find it kind of ugly and it makes me sad wanting, like you know what a product is just like visually not nice, it actually deters me from using it, you know? Yeah, we're supposed to apologize. Yeah, sorry about the audio issue everybody. Callum's really sorry. And so are we, because we're a team. Is it still going? Is it, no, okay, cool. Yeah, sorry that there was the audio issue, that's really sad. But anyway, that's why I don't use Yelp. I don't know about you guys. Yeah, yeah, Foursquare for me has just always been, actually, yeah, it feels nicer to use. Everything seems to be a bit more laid out in the way that the things I usually want to see first is out there. Yeah, yeah, cool. All right, Tim. Shall we switch the cable? Oh, we're switching the cable. Oh, it's not, we're not up on the thing. So it's okay. No one will see the switch. This is high tech, high tech stuff. Okay, cool. So the first thing I want to talk about is a really small, but yeah. Anyway, so I have to schedule calls with people from different time zones all the time. And it's quite annoying, especially when you're talking to someone and you actually have like a distributed team of people who are not just in another time zone, but they're actually dispersed across different time zones. So you might have, like we had a couple of weeks ago, you might have one guy from San Francisco, one guy from Portugal, another guy from New York, and then you have us in Berlin. So when you're talking to them to find the perfect time when you can have like a catch up with them, the issue is that with like a normal, you know, like a table with like a, what is it, like the world time zone? What is it usually called? Convert a time zone. Yeah, exactly, so that's usually, you have to do like some calculations in your head if you're trying to juggle things around, especially if some person says, actually I can only do like half an hour later and then suddenly you're back to square one. So one thing that I, so this is pretty much what this usually looks like. You just have the current time and the time in another time zone. But if I wanted to like quickly, you know, like check out like what is actually the time like let's say we want to have a call nine in the evening here. So it's maybe in the morning for those guys is that still okay for the person in San Francisco. So that's going to be very tricky. But then I found an app called MyRanda. And it's pretty, it's a pretty well-designed app. I mean, what I really like about this is you can just like quickly add a new location here. So you can see that I already have San Francisco, Boulder, Colorado and New York in here. And what I really like about this is that you have this wheel here on the side where you can just change the time. And then I can quickly see, okay, so nine in the morning for us, it's going to be 1 a.m. in Boulder. So that's not going to work out for them. So let's just like, it's just really nice having it like side by side like that. And it's a really small utility but I have used it so often already. And it's, yeah, it's just executed very nicely. For such a small app, I think I'm always amazed when like one developer is creating something that is so useful and they actually put so much thought and care into it. It's just a joy to use, I think. I mean, there are so many little details that I really love about this. And so that's one thing I actually use weirdly often. I mean, okay, it doesn't happen too often that we have people from different time zones and we have this, where we have these scheduling conflicts, but when it happens, then I'm so happy to have this app on my phone. It's super interesting because in terms of, people are downloading less and less apps these days. It's harder and harder to get someone to actually download an app. But would you say that if, let's say you were to create an app of some sort of product, would you maybe gear more to, because this seems like it's not something that's gonna be widespread, it's not gonna go, it's not gonna be on everybody's phones. There's no real maybe growth strategy for it, but maybe that's a really good thing. Like doing something super specific for a very small group of people could be kind of the way to go. Is this paid as well? Did you pay for it? I think I paid for it. I'm not entirely sure if it was like freemium. I mean, I always, I prefer to pay. Like I hate having ads in my apps. I don't know what the freemium features would be. Yeah, I mean, in this case, I think in this case, I'm not entirely sure. I don't remember. I don't remember if it was like free, completely free, or if I paid for it. But I think they might have had ads in there maybe at the beginning, but maybe I'm mixing it up with another. I'm not entirely sure. But honestly, for an app like that, I would also just gladly pay. I mean, I find that usually, I mean, when I see an app that is coming from a small developer and it's paid, then I immediately somehow trust it more. And I assume that, okay, this is a person who takes that product really seriously. They are asking money for it. So I can assume that they're also keep developing it. And like adding, supporting the product, being available for answering questions. And in this case, I think it's definitely worth it, especially the prices in the App Store are not going to break the bank. Break the bank, exactly. I mean, there are a couple of apps I'm going to show that are actually quite expensive for something on the App Store. But I think, yeah, I don't know. I just trust paid apps way more. And yeah, really good question on this kind of niche market thing. I mean, I think I agree. I mean, if you're a smaller product company or even just like a solo developer, I think just finding something like some niche that is kind of underserved by other bigger players and just making the perfect product for that space is probably the way to go, especially with something like a time conversion tool. I think this is probably something that's quite easy to develop. It's not going to, I mean, it's not reinventing the wheel. Like this app is not doing anything that couldn't be done just by calculating stuff in your head. But it's just geared towards a use case that I think a lot of other of these tools are ignoring. So I think that was the person who developed this had a really nice idea, I think, and he executed it really, really well. Any time, like if you've just sent once an email to a client or someone with the wrong time calculation, that's enough to be, I'm gonna save or something. Yeah, and I mean, there are like these little cool details. Like let's say I want to get really granular and do it by the minute. I mean, it's just like, I mean, I don't know, like it's such a cool thing to see like somebody, like even like having so much like pride about like what they're putting out there instead of just, you know, a cash grab or something like that. Yeah. So this thing about this that is kind of cool is that it's such a, a lot of people would think about that and be like, oh, it's such a small problem, you know, but it's a really painful problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's small and it happens like rarely, but it's such a pain that it's actually worth having this app on your phone. Yeah. It's really cool. Yeah. Okay, what's your next product, Tim? Okay, let's see. The next one I want to talk about is Notion. So I should, I know Brittany you're using this too. I think, I mean, I should mention that usually I'm using this on my desktop. I mean, it's not the app. I would like the primary use case, I think it's not like doing it from your phone, but I think it's still really, really useful to have this. So if you haven't heard about Notion, it's, how would you describe it? I mean, it's just, it's somehow doing everything. It's everything in, it's like, I would say mostly it's like an organizational tool, but for everything. Exactly. It's like if you somehow combined a database tool with a to-do app. Yeah. And no taking. No taking, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that sounds super horrible. Like that could easily be the most complicated overwrought tool imaginable. But some. Would you call it a project management tool? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can definitely use it for that. I mean, I think that's probably like the most likely use case, but what I really like about this is that it's extremely flexible. And so you can customize it to your own needs. It can be as lean or as complicated as you need it to be. And it's also allowing you to quickly create exactly what you need and have other people use it at the same time. So one thing that you can do, for example, is let's see what's in here. So you're starting off with kind of like an empty slate and then you can just like turn it into whatever you want to do. So let's just say this is called live stream. Oh, live stream. Ooh, that's much better than live stream. Yeah, okay, live stream. And yeah, I want to turn this into like a Patreon icon. And then I can just add stuff here. Just it's like you can create this, it's almost like a sandbox where you can create exactly what you need. And you can kind of like nest different elements within each other, which is really cool. And it's all drag and drop. Like it's super easy to do. It's not like this tedious process where you have to use building blocks. And I mean, I pretty much started using this as the CMS for my personal website because my personal website is super small. I don't really need it anyway. And I used to run it on WordPress, which is already pretty simple, I would say, but this is even easier. And you can just... So you've made a page that's like your website and you're just directing people to that? Yeah, exactly. I mean, you can just get the URL for whatever you create. And in my case, I just forwarded my personal email URL to that thing. And it's so much easier for me to update things. It's, I don't know why everyone is doing it. Like front-end on top of that. No, there is basically no separation between front-end and back-end. I mean, everything that, like if I invited you to this page, you would see exactly what I was working about. I mean, this is actually maybe the one shortcoming that I see that dealing with permissions is a bit... I mean, that feels still a little bit weak to me. I mean, this is something that maybe like a tool like Jira would probably do a bit better. Like this is probably more for power users from bigger teams who actually have to manage permissions like on a very granular level. So if I create it, like let's actually take a look at, let's see, the product team can ban. I hope nothing's super confidential, it's on here. Oh, oh, the car is... Yeah, anyway, I can invite people to this, but I can't really tell them what they can and they can't do. Like for example, I mean, like the idea for the can ban, for example, is that people can only pretty much add stuff to this thing here, but I can't actually define that anywhere. So either I just give them permission to just view it or edit it completely. And I mean, but I mean, I'm quite new to this tool as well. So maybe I just didn't find that function yet. But honestly, this product pretty much turned into, like I'm using this for everything now, just because it's so powerful. Like you have to do this. Yeah, yeah. For a calendar, like I have, I even like everything, like I don't use my notes anymore, my notes app. Like I just use Notion because you can put a note inside of a, you can have like a project and then put a note inside of there and then have other things and everything's in the same place. And it's just like one tool for everything. What about, I have a question because I've used like G-rated Confluence and these other wiki tools and we're using a different one now here at AJ & Smart for our kind of internal documentation. What's the problem called where things don't get, things get out of date quickly. And then you have this bloat of information and you're not sure which is up to date and which is not. Maybe you've just started using it too recently. How long have you been using it? Maybe eight weeks or something like that. Yeah. But I've only started using it like seriously like maybe for like four weeks or just like trying. Actually that was actually something that Fido found for me for a sprint as a lightning demo. So then I started like trying things out and I was like, that's actually quite cool. You can embed everything. You can actually, I think you can also like upload Figma files in it. You can embed YouTube videos or videos from the other one, Vimeo. And it's just like, it's so, that's the one thing that I think a lot of people are talking about is maybe it's too robust. But if you figure out a way to use it that works for you, I think that that's, it's pretty, there's nothing really better out there than I thought. Can I ask another question? Do we have time? Are we going okay? Yeah, go ahead. Like now with you guys telling me about this, I'm thinking maybe I should just never use Google Docs ever again. Maybe this will be my new thing. What would be, would there be anything missing if I would just store time? I don't think there's real time coverage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, there is. Okay, cool. Yeah, one of our clients actually used Notion exclusively. Like they only used Notion for everything. Like they had tons of documents in there. I could actually see people going through the documents and typing stuff up. So it is very similar to Google Docs in that regard. Because you can't embed YouTube videos inside of Google. Can you? And Figma files. No. Right, definitely not Figma files. Okay, okay. What about, have you ever used Evernote, either of you guys? No, actually. Yeah, I tried to get into it a couple of years ago, but I somehow could never, I don't know. I don't know why, because I know people who love it and they, you know, they're such big fans, but somehow it never really struck a chord with me. Yeah, I know. I never really got struck with this. I have no idea why, because I know it's a really cool product. Yeah, it just feels like almost a little bit too heavy for some reason, for just simple collecting these scraps of things that you later need to use again. It just feels somehow a little bit too powerful, in a way, for what I need. Because usually when I need to take notes, I'll just actually write it down and post it. And if I need to keep it for some reason, I'll take a photo of it and then put it in my Dropbox and that's it. I use Simple Note. Shout out if anyone else does. It's the simplest note-taking thing ever. You're kidding, Dee. Oh my God. It's just like everything that, like you just said, Tim, if there's a thought, it just goes in there and it never gets bloated because it just scrolls, like I keep adding new notes and they just disappear from my mind after I don't need them anymore. But as soon as I think, oh, where was that shopping thing that I need before I type shopping out there? And it's just had the most powerful search and the simplest interface. That's cool. I've used it for years now. Like, I don't know how many years, seven years. Simple Note. I just asked in the comments if anybody uses it, so we'll see. Simple Note, yep, somebody uses it. Yay! One person. Yay! No, there might be more. There might be more. Okay, it's Jody. Jody, yes. Okay, Tim, next up. Cool. Next up is a camera app called Heylight. This is, again, a case where a very small team created something that is so incredibly polished and nice. So, Heylight, I don't know if you've heard of it. It's essentially giving your phone almost the powers of a digital SLR. Make it put on something more interesting. Yeah, actually, let's see. Oh, there we go. No, I said more interesting. Oh, me. So, I mean, I don't know, like, if you're like me, you'll use your phone as a camera almost every day. I mean, I used to be pretty big into photography, like, with actual cameras. And yeah, so, hey everyone, it's not over at all. Okay. So, but since I got my first iPhone, I'm actually using my iPhone way more just because I have it on me all the time. And the camera is actually really, really good for just a point of shoot. And the one thing that is maybe a bit annoying with the iPhone is that the camera is almost doing a little bit too much for you. So, the photos will always be okay, but especially when you're shooting in difficult light situations, like, it's a nice, you know, like the sun is going down, the sky looks really awesome. You just can't capture it because the camera will kind of like almost, yeah, it will kind of just like not get what you actually want to shoot. So, the nice thing about halide is that it gives you, yeah, essentially camera control. So, you can actually like change the focus of the lens, which is something that the normal iPhone camera, like the built-in camera doesn't do. You can also... It's cool that it can like, yeah. Yeah, like it uses the iPhone camera, but it's interesting. I think it's even more powerful on the iPhone 10 just because the camera is even better than on this one, but... You're doing something good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. So, again, this is a really very thoughtful interface. It does a lot of things, but it's somehow very, like, I can't even focus on that smudge. So, it's really great. So, another thing that I can do is I can actually export photos as a raw file. So, instead of a JPEG, that actually makes a pretty big difference because in the end, if you guys don't know, if you are shooting with a normal iPhone camera, it's usually just saved as a JPEG or some weird new format. I don't know what the new format is. Anyway, it's something like that. In any case, when you try to edit the photos later on your computer, you can't really do too much with it because a lot of information got lost. So, here, you can actually save photos as a raw file just as if you took it from a digital SLR and you can do a lot more stuff with it in the end. And you can actually fix a lot of problems later on your computer when you're editing. And I think, like, there are so many nice little flourishes in here as well. Yeah, flourishes. Okay, okay, let's see. Let's look. So, I'm just going to put this on auto-focus. Or actually, let me just try, okay, this is. Oh. Okay, this is great. Let me, so I'll. Tim is such a good photographer. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. Yeah, perfect, great. Okay. So cool. So, yeah, we have taken a bunch of photos here. And you too, so you can see here that actually the light is, like, it's, what is it, like, blown out here? Just because it's too bright outside. This is now something that I could actually fix in Photoshop way easier. Yeah, that's cool. Right. Yeah, and one more thing I want to show you guys is that, let's see, how do we actually get back now to the, okay. So this is, I mean, there's so many photo apps. Right, like so many of them. How did you find this one? And why did you choose this one? Right. This one was actually recommended to me by our colleague, Amar, who uses it all the time. He's also taking a lot of photos with the phone. And I mean, yeah, I don't know. They're also doing a really good job, I think, presenting how they present themselves. Because, again, this is actually an example of a very niche product that is doing one thing that no other product is doing and doing it really, really, really well. And there is a lot of, like, polish and thought, and care they put into this app as well. I think the price is premium for an iPhone app. I think it's something like $6.99 or something. So that's actually extremely expensive. Yeah. But easily worth it. I mean, this is, again, one of these cases where I would rather pay to support developers who really care, who put a lot of work into that and also use that money to put out more interesting products as well. I think that's a good point because some people, like, I think most people in the app store would never pay $6.99 for that. But, like, I'm talking about most people. But then, if you think about the kinds of people that are gonna wanna use that kind of product, they would pay. And I think that's the difference, right? Like, yeah, it depends on what your products do. Yeah, I think you can actually make a lot of money from people who are interested in a niche product because they would, I don't know, let's say I came up with the best app for people who are into fly fishing or something like that. Not that I know anything about that, but it's a... Hot tip, fly fishing. Yeah, get into fly fishing, exactly. No, but I mean, because what these people need is so specific that if you are familiar with that market and you can create something that is perfect for these people, if you ask them to pay $5 for an app like that, I think if it's useful for them, they will do that way more likely than if you try to create, you know, like a new flappy bird clone and then you're trying to make money by putting ads in it. Yeah, totally. I mean, that's also, I guess, a valid strategy, but yeah, I mean, I think the difference is that on the one hand, you have users who actually care about what you created. They paid money for it and they will actually become this really engaged community. So they will also tell you what they want next. And on the other hand, you have like this very, kind of like, yeah, cheap and easy cash grab where you're just like hoping that one of these like little things somehow sticks and maybe becomes like this viral hit or something like flappy bird, but I mean, where is flappy bird now? Like, where is flappy bird now? I mean, I think the guy got really rich from it so much more. Yeah, he's probably doing all right. I just thought of something that's more for physical, like discovering or find this whole problem of maybe you want a phone, a better camera app for your phone or maybe you really want a solution to a problem, but there's so many apps. How do you know where to start? Or do you ask people? Do you just like go through the top list on the app stores? There's this great site that maybe a lot of people know. I think you use it as well, but it's more for physical products. Like when I wanted to buy new headphones, I looked there, when I wanted to buy new hair straightener, I looked there. The wire cutter, you use that as well. The wire cutter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the time, yeah. And I don't know if it has digital products as well. That would be very interesting, but it's great. Yeah, they have apps. They have apps, too. Fantastic. I've got to remind myself to go back there, but really if you just need like a toaster or like a home audio system, they've just reviewed all of the top ones and really used them, not just reviewed them on the surface, but really used them for like three months, reviewed them and rated them and given you a big breakdown of... Okay, so it's not a community one. No, no, it's like, it's real people and this is number one for the price and this is number one for the cheap options and stuff like that. It's fantastic. The wire cutter is really great. I think they got acquired by the New York Times now. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Okay, quick question for you, Tim, about that product, which is, what is it called again? Haylight. Haylight. Can you do it for video? Okay, is it for video as well? Is it just photos? No, it's only for photos. Only photos. Again, the second question is when it comes to like saving raw files on your phone, how is that for memory? Yeah, it's pretty bad. So the way they market this app is also interesting. I mean, they're saying this is for people who are interested in photography. So it's definitely not something you would do for just a quick snapshot of, you know, like something you want to remember. It's more if you see something really nice and you actually want to do something with it later, then you would use that because it's true raw files are really gigantic compared to JPEG, so yeah. Like when I started using Haylight, I went a bit overboard and then like after one day, my phone's memory was completely packed with photos. So yeah, it's something you have to be aware of for sure. Cool. Yeah. Okay, do you want to look at zero? Do we have time? I mean, we definitely have been going for 45 minutes. I mean, that's not going to... We'll save a few apps for next time. I think that's important. But thank you guys so much, whoever watched. It seemed like there were quite a few people popping in and out. Obviously, this is all, if you missed the first part, it's going to be available online afterwards. And thanks for all your comments and questions. And thanks, Dee and Tim, for bringing your products to the table. Thanks, everyone. And if you guys liked this kind of video, this kind of live stream where we're actually looking at products, talking about them, let us know because then we'll keep doing it if it's something that you're interested in. Cool, thanks. Bye. Oh, like and subscribe? Should I say that? Okay. Like and subscribe. We love you. Like and subscribe. Bye.