 Call the order the 26th meeting of the 2012 2013 comma council meeting with clerk read the code of the day Thank You mayor coming together is a beginning staying together as progress and working together is success Call the roll, please I got it modern 13 eyes with 16 sitting here 15 present All the Madonna who is excused Tonight to lead us in the pledge of call up trust and Decker and my wife to come up to the front trustin is the son of Jeremy Alderman Jeremy Decker and my grandson. I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and 23 public for which is stands one nation Undergod and invisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you Approval of the minutes Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved to prove the minutes of the previous council meeting It's been moving seconded that the minutes of the previous council meeting be approved any changes or additions or deletions She none clerk will call the roll Resignations city attorney Moe to the council from Kathleen Hoffman advising that she wishes to be taken off The citizen border review due to conflicting works good Follow me. Hammond. Thank you. I move to accept the resignation second. It's been moved second to accept the recognition. I need discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries Anybody for the public forum city clerk no no this evening Tonight we have a hearing to one hearing regarding the Eisner Avenue assessment for concrete street paving and curb and gutter in the Eisner Avenue From north 21st to north a street north eighth from Eisner Approximately 670 feet south of Eisner Avenue Anybody wishing to be heard? One at a time can step up states your name Anybody wishing to be heard? Yes, sir We'll just do one at a time and can I have your name sir brandy LeBon Randy, how do you sell your last name Randy le? capital B like boy And your address Randy 3610 North 8th Street go ahead sir The reason I'm here is because I think it's possible our situation where we live is Me and I brought this little visual aid along to help 8th Street And I say as it exists now Comes down here and turns into me sweet and then there's a I guess you call it a spur And I said it comes straight like this and then there's a large triangular area of grass in the middle that I the city owns I guess and The section here that's in blue is is That's the section of Eisner that are that the right of way which are property of box and We have our 74 point 3 2 feet of that right down that blue section that section is getting removed. So so that's getting removed and These black lines in here demonstrate the The new ice that's coming in I'm told that The right of way is going to be extended From From the new road to our property line, you know through this road that's being removed and It's being extended I think pretty far if you follow our the front of our property line the east line of our property line That's maybe 80 feet between the front of our property line and the the edge of Eisner The city engineers it was possible the city could possibly vacate some of this land and give this land to us But we're not interested in that land I Think the fact that the city is possibly willing to give us some of this land Means that this right away is extended All mainly for the purpose. I think of assessing us for the Eisner improvement Because it isn't necessary For the Eisner right-of-way. It's just extended to buy up against their land If this section here was being improved then I guess I wouldn't be standing here today because we would you know That's the road that goes alongside our house, but it isn't being improved. It's being removed That's why I'm here and I respect the request that the city doesn't assess our property for these proofs Thank You Randy. Thank you Who would like to be next? You're standing Can I have your name, please? Yes, my name is Miriam Schner Miriam last name, please. Schner, S-C-H, and you are and thank you for having me and Mary, can I excuse me? Can I get your address? Sure? It's Million addresses 4417 Lafayette Drive, but I own the lot on 10th and Eisner Okay, go ahead. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it Couple months ago we received a letter saying there was going to be some assessments done and yes my attention was captured and Still is here till today. I've quite a bit of questions and I guess I'd like some clarity We own the lot we purchased it from the city. We own the lot on 10th and Eisner It's pretty substantial out. It's about 60 168 feet that we're being assessed. Unfortunately, I don't have 20,000 in my pocket to just you know do over a 10-year time I have a fixed income I'm willing to obviously work something out What I'm trying to understand is It's 168 feet I Don't live there. I don't even live in in the town. I don't live in shabuigan, but we all got a pair of shared services How is this being assessed and how is it being broken down? Well, that's one question I called stopped at the library called went to the various other places to get some information and I kept getting asked You know, you're you're gonna get that information today. So today. I'm really starving for some info It's 168 feet. I know about two years ago 17th Street was was redone It was a $60 a foot. We're being assessed $120 a foot. I don't understand Why is it so much? I know I've just went through some Some communication with I believe it was aligned energy. They needed to go on to the land They needed some variance work because all this work is going to be done. I Guess I'm baffled. I guess you everybody else in this room would be pretty baffled if they receive such a substantial bill Is there any way that we can possibly share this amongst the community? Granted the only times I use it is when I go over there and I love cutting the lawn You'll see this one person or two of my husband and I will be cutting lawn all day up there But I don't use road. I understand it's law in the state of Wisconsin that this type of assessment can be done However, each county and municipality has the right in discretion to allocate that as needed. Why aren't we doing that? I'm just curious. Why aren't we doing that? I I know that there was different discussions of we can extend that time frame for you. I Don't have an extra $250 a month To be paying for assessments. I really don't and I'm going to be very honest if anybody else would like to help I Welcome it Please help me. I mean if you want to contribute to the Miriam Schner 10th and Eisner foundation I'd really appreciate it, but I don't have it and I'm just being very honest because I sat down with my husband I'm like, can we make this work? We can't We physically can't we aren't fixed incomes where it's just it's not possibility. We're all salaried or on hourly rate And in trying to go through it. I know that in digging up my own homework there's if you know the the curb the gut or the asphalt the concrete everything that has to go through but Why don't we share this cost? I? Think it's it's a really injustice just to put it to the homeowner and or the landowner and say this is what you get And this is how it's going to go and this is what we're going to impose on We have we have the ability letter citizen speak. Why not? I don't mind paying something But why should I carry the whole burden and I if I can get some of those answers? I'd really appreciate it because as far as for the form calculation and how it was came about for this assessment I understood it when it was done over on 17th Street and the money made sense But this it really doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, I can go on and on but I'll stop So if any of those considerations would be a possibility, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not saying I'm not going to pay a dime I don't live in the town. I'm not saying that I understand as a homeowner. There's responsibilities But I'm asking for a little bit of help and cooperation from the city itself, too Everybody's in tough times. Everybody has landed on financial strains and it's it's very easy to say well You're the homeowner either default. I don't want to default. I've worked too hard I think everybody's worked too hard to walk away from things. So if there could be some type of Mutual agreement I think we could work towards that as that's the Court of the day Thank you, Mary. Thank you Someone would like to go next. We'll just kind of go right down the line here, sir. Are you And I'm gonna need your name and your address my name is Bob Dumkey, and I represent Lakeview Apartments, which are light eyes last name again dumpy d-u-m-k-e And it's Lakeview Apartments Lakeview First of all, I like that and I know this is crazy for somebody who's out of town but I got this notification on 328 and on the top it gives an address of New Jersey Avenue and Down in the text it gives an address of New Jersey Avenue But there's nobody in at New Jersey Avenue. So I'm sorry. I'm late. I Have questions. Will you be able to answer questions for tonight? During the public forum, we won't but I think a lot of your questions will be answered when the document comes up Okay, we'll have some of the staff come up and and handle some of the questions that are being asked, okay? I'm gonna ask my questions, and then hopefully I'll we'll get an answer First of all, what is the cost per foot of the road the lady? I think asked for the same kind of information And then what is the total length of this replacement? And then what was the grant amount? That is the money that was received to do this And I assume it was received to do specifically this task And then how was the grant used to reduce our costs is the other half of the road paying their share I believe they are What would be the cost spread over 10 years? And of course what would be the interest or amortization for that cost? I think that addresses this lady's question. It should be quite helpful if you can get a spread I think it's also helpful to recognize and I Question why this particular road needs to be changed and I suspect it's you're also going to have water and sewer changes And I understand that because the sewers have been backed up at Lakeview for several years now It backs up and floods. I've spent thousands of dollars getting that fixed So I understand why you want to rip up the road. I Don't quite understand why makes it take the curve Right now the unemployment rate here and sheboygan is 7.7 percent. I Don't think people have a lot of money to pay for this Libor in the country has dropped down to point two percent and The 30 year note is three point zero eight percent Where's the money coming from couldn't you spend that federal money somewhere else? Thank you Thank you, Bob Can I have your name sir John Webster and your address John 3425 North 8th Street? 3425 North 8th Go ahead. I'm calling to ask I Have two properties on the affected Roadway totaling about 40 grand My home property is only about 10 grand so I'm not going to argue that today What I am going to ask you about Specifically I have an unbuildable lot. That's basically under water That's being charged about 30 grand The taxes on this property were 22 five last year and you are going to be charging me 29 to 2040 For the property. I guess short of giving it back to you I'd like to know what unique and special local benefit this property has It will receive from the road and I would also like to know why you think that's reasonable I realize under 66703 you can police power a property greater than its value But those two questions need to be asked Thank you. Thanks John Anybody next in roll here. I would like to speak sir. Can I have your name, please? Gary Warner W. E. R. N. E. R. 3519 high-cliff circle And I just like to have the council reconsider Re-installing or installing the roundabout on the corner of 15th and Eisner it seems I was informed that One of the property owners the Southwest corner was opposed to having that installed there Because they would be losing some property But I believe everybody from 21st down to a street is going to be losing some property and why should that one owner Have more sway over the installation of a roundabout, which I think would be a much more safe intersection than having A turn lane added or whatever the plan is Thank you, thank you Anyone else wishing to be heard Mike Marini it's M. A. R. I and I That's 721 Eisner Avenue. Okay And we're on the opposite corner from the LaBose and we have a similar situation with additional land That will be Supposedly under our care I've been told by the city engineer that the city would take care of that A couple of times a year for grass cutting Right now there are cutting that triangle every week and I don't see why that can't continue for your case and ours Another issue is the snow removal on the sidewalk and I know that there's property along 22nd Street crossing the Pigeon River where I believe that is Private owned and I see the city Removing snow on the long-nosed sidewalks. Maybe that could be addressed also, but the I'll agree that the assessment seems high I Know I know that the costs go up, but Some costs need to come down Thank you. Thank you, Mike Anyone else wishing to be heard And your name sir Jeff Strube 707 Eisner Avenue and STR Oub, yes, okay 707 Thanks, and I share a common lot between the marines and the websters and have the same situation where we have a piece of property Which is completely unbuildable? It is underwater most of the year We're looking at the same situation as trying to understand why that the Taxation on that piece of property, which is roughly the 22 five should be assessed the special tax of well over 30,000 when I look at all of the property and all of the improvements that are going to be performed upon it We'd like to have some you know consideration look at into this particular situation Thank you. Thank you, Joe Anyone else wishing to be heard your name, please Mike schner That's correct Same address same address Okay, go ahead. Well, what I wanted to reiterate is that I was just wondering if the council had considered Kind of taken that whole area where every the people that would be blocked in if they couldn't get the Eisner Avenue if they would consider Taxing everybody that uses Eisner to get to their property because you got a lot of half million million dollar houses back Along the road and to get to these houses you have to use Eisner Avenue So why should everyone on Eisner Avenue have to pay for all the subdivisions and stuff that are back there? I think if you took it and broke it down amongst the houses say within that half mile area around Eisner Avenue I think that'd be a little fairer because they are using that road and it's gonna have more wear and tear More maintenance and all their roads that they would have to replace it the way the city does it now They might have to do it once every 50 years And you know Eisner is gonna have to be probably redone again in 20 25 years Never mind the maintenance and so I was just wondering you can address that and see if you know Even if it's not the whole city wide if it was just in a block area of people that actually do use Eisner Avenue Thank you Mike Anyone else wishing to be heard anyone else wishing to be heard third and final call anyone else wishing to be heard Alderman Hammond Thank you. I moved to close the hearing second It's been moved and seconded that the hearing be closed all those in favor clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries 3 1 through 3 28 Consent agenda Alderman Amen Thank You mr. Mayor I move to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all reports of committees pass all resolutions and ordinances I get it's been moved and seconded to pass all our O's Pass all committee reports pulse all pass all resolutions and substitute resolutions and general orders Alderman born under discussion Thank You mayor van Akron. I've got a question on Some of the documents that are coming out of salary and grievance If chairman racelor could answer that or mr. Amorio and that is the positions that are being changed from Managers to directors is that going to have an immediate effect on salaries? Or would that only be when we would be hiring somebody new for those positions that people that are in those positions that are now Managers that are going to become directors. That's not going to be an automatic salary bump. Thank you All the men racelor you want to answer you're not pulling those you're just asking questions. Yes all the men racelor Thank You mr. Right. No, they're not going to be salary increased. They're gonna remain the same It's more of a titling to get us back and get the table for the nation cleaned up. Thank you So we have a motion for 3 1 through 3 28 any further discussion Very non-clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries 4 1 through 4 8 will all be referred to the new council and different committees and 4 7 It's going to be referred to finance and the historic preservation 5 1 a resolution by Alderman wrestler and Bellinger Confirming in exercising police powers and making assessments For benefited properties against which assessment are proposed on Eisner Avenue Alderman Racelor Thank You mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Second it's been moved in seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage Under discussion all the men racelor. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Obviously, this is my Area district and home area. I do have a lot of problems with the Situation I would like to call upon some of the department heads and Ryan to come up and explain and answer some of the questions that my constituents had I Specifically have problems with with the two properties where the owners had contacted me prior and that being the liberal LaBow property at 3610 North 8th and The marini property at 721 Eisner again, they do not own any property of budding the roadway I realized we do have the ability to have the special police powers to Assess them, but I guess what I'm gonna ask or I'm gonna try to amend after Ryan's done is to at least have those two properties removed Okay, Ryan you want to come up and answer some of the questions, please? Just for everybody in the audience and on TV Ryan Ryan is the city engineer and Dave Bebel is the director of public works Both are in charge of the project Ryan Yes, there's been several questions. I don't know which one I Think one of the first questions that was asked is how was the project's? Cost divided throughout the throughout the whole entire length of the project if you look at the one handout I gave you eight and a half by 11 He works his is an avenue preliminary assessment The total cost of the project was a little bit over four million dollars what we did that that four million dollars we eat I Looked at the estimate and now of the of that four million dollars about one point two seven that is associated directly with the paving of the concrete street Excluding the bike lanes and then what you do is you take the one point two seven million for the paving of the street And you divide it by the total length of the project, which is a little bit over a mile five thousand nine hundred and sixty feet and It came out to be two hundred thirteen dollars per foot And what this project because Eisenhower Avenue was a first-time pave I know Mrs. Schner mentioned why this why the preliminary assessment was a little bit higher than like salt 18th Street Salt 18th Street was a second-time paving project, which we did I believe in 2011 And whenever whenever street is paved the second time the city picks up 50% of the cost and each homeowner each side picks up 25 25 that's that's how you get your hundred percent 25 percent 50 percent from the city in 25% from the other property owner on this street. It's a first-time pave So a hundred percent of the cost is picked up by by the properties that that that front the streets Oh, it's 50 percent 50 percent And that's that's that's what the ordinance is written on a first-time pave It's not a it's so I know that was that was one question that was brought up But the whole cost is divided throughout the whole length of the project and the city picks up for instance All the cost of the paving project through the intersections the intersection of the street because there is no there is no frontage except for except for the street area So that was that's one of mr. Schner's questions, I believe that And also the utility as well there we're picking up the storm sewer costs a lot of the street lighting costs stuff like that That's the city's cost. Yes, that's the city's cost. Can you explain the chart we have here? Sure Okay, what this like is that it's mentioned is projects a little bit over four million dollars The town of Sheboygan is is through assessments is paying 350,000 The state of Wisconsin we're getting out. We're getting a low LRP grant. It's low to our local road improvement grant It's a half million dollars. So after the project is complete and signed off on the city will get reimbursed at that $500,000 The federal non-motorizer grant, which is a 21 percent. That's 850,000 That's helping paying for about 14 14 feet of the 36 foot wide road to a non-motorizer grant That's paying for the bike lane portion of it all even though it's part of the roadway It's a two outside seven foot lanes. It's part of the bicycle lanes and the paving assessments is it's approximately 850,000 for the project for city of Sheboygan residents slash businesses And with the city of Sheboygan picking up the remaining of the cost, which is 37.1% or 1.5 million Now let him finish first his presentation I don't like through that local road or through the local road improvement grant from the state of Wisconsin We're using that money to pay primarily for for the storm sewer portion of the project There's very little storm sewer in the street and that's one reason why you have a lot of the issues you have out there You have ditches you have no storm sewer at all. So this that that fund or grant will help pay for all the storm sewer So out of the total cost according to the chart I've got Out of the total cost the assessment For the paving of the residents is about 21 percent of the total cost of the project I'm taking notes from the from the hearing we had another question. I was brought up. It was the intersection of Lakeshore Drive and Eisenhower Avenue One gentleman was wondering how come the roundabout wasn't put in there I Guess it was more of a cost-benefit issue than anything because in order for that roundabout to be built You would have had to buy the two homes on the North north side of the road and I'm just guessing at approximately about 125,000 a piece So to buy those homes alone would have been 250,000 So if we were to put a roundabout there that would add to the approximately probably another half million dollars to this project and it just Didn't really make any financial sense to do that So that's why that's why we elected to go with the four-way stop with turn lanes So it wasn't the complaint of the northwest person So we were granted we would had to buy property from from that business also, but the big issue was Yeah, okay on a tonight Yeah, it's just a realignment I know I talked to our city attorney about with the assessing of the two properties with the gentlemen are gonna have a much longer much more front yard With our ordinance that those properties are still being benefited from from the road They're the right of their right away still out in front of their property and they were assessed just the front edge of their of their right away That's something I think we discussed exclusively Ryan can you explain This road is going to be a little wider than normal roads. How does that this assessment is Compared to in front of my home on say, New Jersey. I don't I don't live in New Jersey with With our with our ordinance and our assessment We can never assess for over a normal a normal city street is 36 feet wide Which is what Eisenhower Avenue is it's gonna be 36 feet wide Well, it's hoping lowering some of the cost for the for the assessments so that non-motorized grant They're picking up the bicycle lanes portion of all I talked a little bit about that before they're picking up 14 feet of that Pave the two outside seven foot lanes So this isn't being assessed any more than any other street in the city should boy get under our ordinance It's a 36 foot wide road, which is a standard city city shabuigan road other than the First time part of the ordinance. It says first time Paving right first time paving. It's not a second time paved like it was with Crocker Avenue last year and Call them in bell under Thank You mayor Ryan could you For the people at home that we're unable to attend and for the people here to go through the special assessment process as far as that this is a Assessment a preliminary assessment when the final assessment is going to take place and how you figure the amounts and Usually that the final assessment is going to be less and in the time frame of when those are going to hit As far as you know when the project is done and how it's costed out and that's sure thing Sure, like I talked about I mentioned before this is approximately four million dollar project And what I do is 170 bid items with this project 170 so I go through and I take out the items that are related directly to the paving so which is mostly the pavements and The and the sub base or to gravel underneath it So I pulled those bid items out and that's and that's how we figure out the cost of the street The final assessment will not be done until I'm guessing January February of 2014 I will not know the final numbers because this project will get done in November sometimes and It'll take a month or two before the final quantities come back to me from the from the state of Wisconsin So the final assessment will not be done till 2014 and could you also for the people discuss the In the ordinance right now. We've got 10 years in what the interest rate would be Okay, yes, but if your assessments over $5,000 you get 10 years and it's Borrow I believe it's a little percentage point over what the city of Sheboygan borrows far with the money at It's very close to what the city miles Any other questions from the floor I mean from the console do you wish to open it to questions from the outside? Sure It's been moved seconded to open it to a couple questions from the outside Please keep them brief and direct them to the engineers Please Right I Yeah, but it's but it's you're starting from road basically you're starting from scratch that nothing nothing was ever constructed there before with storm sewer and street lighting that's I mean, that's that's the cause it's not it's not just the paving it's a sidewalk. It's many other things And again the residents Cost of the total project is 21% of that map Yes, so 79% has been either borne by the city state or fits any other questions from the audience Do you want to cover that Like I said, I'd like just questions though And our the assessments are done are done per ordinance, I mean, it's pretty straightforward how assessments are Calculated that's the way I calculate them for for a horizon or avenue Steve Part of the part of the assessment philosophy and it's it's and it's been in place For decades and what you have is when we talk about first-time paving a lot of the subdivisions and new roads being built throughout the city Those property owners also were assessed the first time and had to pay their fair share of that full first-time paving of their Subdivision, so I understand the argument everybody uses the roads everyone should pay But at one time or another property owners had to pay a first-time assessment on on their paving of their street for the first time therefore Philosophy is you know the property owners benefit from this improvement through the special assessment philosophy if The council and the city decides at some day that we're going to go away from that philosophy It's difficult now because you have so many other properties that said well hold it Five years ago. I just paid for a new road in my subdivision now. Everyone else is getting the whole city to pay for their road That's that's the underlying principle of it and it granted it's debatable. I'm not I'm not here to defend it I'm just telling you that these are the procedures set forth and how we pay for infrastructure for the community We talked a little bit why is Eisner Avenue so much more expensive because it's being assessed as a first-time paving The properties along Eisner have never been assessed for the road Therefore with this new project they're going to be assessed for the first time therefore It's more expensive versus some of the other projects as we mentioned the 18th Street reconstruction or when we reconstructed 14th Street or Indiana Avenue in the city those property owners were assessed like likewise But albeit at 50% of the cost because those roads were already assessed at one time previously And Dave again all those Like the bike trail and all the extra things they're only being assessed for the road Correct and we we understand Eisner Avenue is is is a busier street than norm than a residential street But the assessed value your the proper owners are only being assessed that Residential equivalent in other words the 11 feet on each side, which is very similar to a residential street anywhere else in the community and the taxpayers as a whole are being 37% of the cost Currently And I know one thing I wanted to stress when you when you do a paving assessment for a road It doesn't matter if it's a business or if it's a family or I mean a single family or two family home or a vacant lot You treat it all the same So I know there were some issues of all my lots being vacant not being built on Treated the same as a business or One or two more I See the attorney probably can answer that I think the issue there sir is your property still abuts the road right away Maybe you're farther away After the road is improved from the actual pavement, but you're still your property line abuts the street right of way Whether the pavement is closer to your house or farther away it's still within the right of way and therefore, you know, you're a butter and The city's ordinance provides for front foot calculation. So you're your lot Fronts the street right of way That's Yeah, theoretically Two more While it's within the street right of way I Mean why we're going to with with instead of asphalt we're going with concrete. Is that your question? I Guess I don't believe that your street on front of your place is a concrete or asphalt. I guess I can't picture it right now Yeah, so you didn't I guess you're wondering why you didn't get a corn a lot credit It's because it wasn't concrete paved the first time on the first front of your street He's saying he's saying last time he was assessed for 70 some feet and this time he's 91 feet And he lives at the same property If you if you think your your frontage was this is this calculated that's something you and I should talk about Young gentlemen standing up It's gonna it's gonna be a standard residential street at seven at seven inches. Yeah, it doubled The concrete No, this is a standard seven inch concrete road, which is a typical thickness in the city of Shebauligan No through through the city city ordinance that that that road will be guaranteed for 30 years, okay City attorney, thank you your honor there are a couple of comments about the people with unbuildable lots that front of the street and I Don't know if that's the case or not. I haven't looked at that But we do have as part of the assessment ordinance. There is a deferral mechanism if Says notwithstanding other subsection of the section the due date of any special assessment levied against property Located within a general general floodplain district or within a wetland area under the city's wetland ordinance a budding honor benefiting benefited by the pavement Senator shall be deferred while no use of the street or alley is made in connection with the property At such time as the property no longer qualifies for the deferral than the expense needs to be paid so There's mentioned that they were unbuildable lots and Assuming they're unbuildable. I'm not sure why they're unbuildable if they're within wetland There's the possibility that under our ordinance. There's a deferral for that it doesn't wipe away the assessment for the first Payments until such time as the property is build Need a motion to move it back to the council floor It's been moving seconded to Return to the council floor Under resolution 1a from Alderman raceler Alderman raceler Thank You mr. Mayor just a couple points again for the attorney We talked about the eighth and Eisner properties and and having so much of a Setback from the right-of-way are the homeowners then responsible still for the sidewalk No matter how far back it is for the maintenance and such on the property for the sidewalk like the snow removal and such yes that would that Sidewalk is in the right-of-way and whether it's two feet from your house or 50 feet from your house or whatever it's still While it's public sidewalk you're responsible you're at the abutting property on it. Yes, right And I guess that's where I have the biggest problem and and I haven't discussed this with all the property owners but the truth that I have in depth and Trying to get the 721 Eisner and the 3610 North 8th out of it is We're basically extending the right-of-way or giving property that they don't want Forcing them to take care of sidewalks that again, they don't want and So I guess I'm going to make a motion to Exclude those two properties if I can from From the resolution or ordinance I guess Looking for a second looking for a second Can I clarify it's 3610 North 8 721 and 721 Eisner, okay under discussion So we'll vote on the amendment first To exclude the two properties named and I guess I'll just for two cents worth yet I mean they're going like two lots from their house to get to anywhere to have to maintain This property and the property on the opposite side of the road is a city park where the city is going to be doing the snow plowing anyway I guess that's why I really have the problem with it that I think the city Should be responsible for it and do the snow plowing as such for it They're going to be in the other side of the road anyway All of them in born Thank You mayor Would those be the properties? Would that be the property of mr. Webster and and the martinis which which properties are those I'm looking at I'm looking at the assessment list here It's still it's the labos in the martin Sorry catch that later on Would you explain the difficulties of those two lots again, please sure Can I bear your map Randy? I go up front. I can talk. Yeah, could you hold it if you look where the blue squiggly lines is that's going to be removed And if you look at where where mr. Lobo is van is up in the yellow box In order to get to the sidewalk He has to come out of the driveway all the way down a street all the way down To Eisner Avenue to try to do any kind of snow maintenance whatsoever obviously Mr. Lobo's wife is handicapped and is not going to be able to assist him in any way shape or form In that duties and he's going to be responsible probably for doing some of the lawn maintenance Where the 74 32 number is that because all of that is going to supposedly be right of weight of his property? Again, he has no right of way or I should say right Abutment to Eisner Avenue even now where his property line ends much more. It's going to extend down another Probably 70 or some feet if not more and then the other property is is right there where you're basically extending and even further over For Mike and Diane's property To come over and he has to come out of his driveway where Alderman Hammond's thumb is and all the way up and around To try to get to the to do any sidewalk cleaning off of any sort And if you look on the bottom where there's nothing That's actually a city park where the city is going to maintain from From the bottom all the way up the arc to the other side I just don't think it's fair these people don't have anything of the buts that Property just number one assess them and number two make them responsible for the snow maintenance for the property Any any questions on the amendment Alderman born? So if we if we take those two Take those two properties out Then to make up for those two assessments and that would go that would be added to the 1.5 million dollars that the rest of the city's Paying that how it work. Yeah, I would believe you're right. That'd be correct That'd be something right that would be added to the 1.5 million that the city sheboygan is paying for this project directly Thank you Any other questions of the assessment? I mean of the amendment amendment to just Take out those two properties as stated All right, hang on all of them in Belanger. Thank you mayor For those that don't know my name is John Belanger. I'm the other Alderman that represents this district and while I Sympathize with the unique situations have been brought to light this evening. I would like to rather than Address one or two instances right now and exclude them. I would support passing the resolution and Amending the ordinance according to Ryan. We've got till January or so when the final Billings gonna go out when the project is all completed and cost it out. So we'll have exact numbers at that time I know the the websters and the strobes also have unique circumstances To with unbuildable lots and anybody that has driven that You know can just take a look and see that they're unbuildable So they've got unique circumstances, too, and I am certainly willing to work on the ordinance and address things like this Possibly extending the time frame for those people that got large assessments from 10 years out to 15 years I've talked with the assistant district attorney or the city attorney and With mr. Amodio as well regarding that issue specifically and that seems like it could be doable as well. So You know, I guess right now I would like to to approach it in that manner and work with the people behind the scenes and try to Address their concerns on an individual basis through the ordinance rather than just exclude, you know People here and there from from the resolution Thank you again on the amendment to Take out two properties Clerk will call the roll And I vote will be to remove those two properties from the assessment And these are the correct properties correct Ten eyes five nose Motion carries now as amended all of them Hammond first we need the motion as amended sure for passage as amended to put the resolution upon his passage as amended Okay, it's been moved seconded to pass the resolution as amended all the men born Thank you, Mary. I have one more question for the city attorney City attorney McLean you mentioned that the those two situations with the Webster's and the other person Where that property might be a wetland? Would that would that be the burden of proof would be on the property owner? They'd have to get something from the DNR or What what does the property owner have to do under that situation city attorney? Well, there does need to be some Determination that is wetland area And I don't know frankly if that's Been done by the property owners or not I don't know if the engineer can answer that question as far as whether or not the Those areas are in a any designated wetland or not Yeah, whatever we come across wetlands for on private property There's there's companies out there that are certified to deal on delineate wetlands And that's what you'd have to go by someone that's certified to do it And they would submit that submit that to the DNR to verify it actually is a is a wetland That's what that's a that's what the cities had done in the past in our on city property But as sit as Alderman Bourne asked that's the residents Has to do that right that would be the residents or property owners responsibility that the hire one of these firms, okay? Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor city attorney could you please? Tell me what deferral means exactly does that mean that they would be assessed at the 110 foot whatever that frontage that they have for linear foot, but they wouldn't have to pay it until they sold that property or Does it mean something different than that No, basically, that's that's what it is until As far as when the deferral ends again To be deferred while no use of the street or alley is made in connection with the property so it would Continue to be deferred until that time if if the Property would use the street for instance if it was built on or something like that Or if it was not a wetland if it was buildable it wouldn't have to have to be built upon but if it was buildable Then the deferral would Could you pass the deferral through a sale? If you sold the property in that in the future buyer would still be deferred with the property, okay? Any other questions on the resolution as amended hall of macaw Hang on one second. Does anybody else have a question for these two third? Because then they can go back and sit down if there's no other questions Thanks guys All right, all the macaw thank you mayor as far as the referral if you're selling an interest in a land There's more than one owner in that land. So if they sell an in their interest Just their interest would be referred or we would get the payment or is that There's more than one owner on that land On the I Don't know. It's my understanding the ownership was the Webster's and This screws to okay two owners. There's a two separate labs. There's two separate pieces. Okay. I Okay I Don't have an answer to that any other questions from the Colts will gonna vote now on amended on the resolution City clerk will call the roll 12 eyes three nose the motion carries as amended five two through five five to be referred to committees of the new council six one six one from Committee report from law and licensing Recommending denying taxi license number 98 95 Alderman Van de willy thank you move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moving seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman van de willy is Michelle crossing here this evening She's not here the committee. We voted to deny her license for the one based on her record of violation Any discussion on the committee report Her call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries six to committee report from law and licensing denying taxi driver license number 94 92 Alderman van de willy Thank you move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moving seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman van de willy is trial west here this evening He's not here. We invited him to our meeting on two separate occasions, and he did not appear Is there any other discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried Six three is a committee report from finance authoring transfers and all appropriations of the 2013 budget Alderman Hammond Thank you. I move to accept and adopt and pass the resolution second. It's been moving seconded that we Accept and adopt and pass the resolution any discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carry Committee report from finance recommending authorizing transfer appropriations in 2013 budget Alderman Hammond Thank you. I move to accept and adopt the And put the resolution upon its passage second. It's been moved in Seconded to accept the committee report and put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries six five committee report from finance recommending authorizing the transfer and appropriations of the 2013 budget Alderman Hammond Thank you again. I move the RCB accepted and adopted in the resolution put upon its passage second It's been moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted in that the Resolution be put upon its passage is there any discussion all of them in Hammond Thank you. I just would like to briefly think Georgia Pacific and their foundation for the generous donation to purchase these helmets So I just want to publicly thank them for their generous contribution Thank you any other discussion Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries six six through six eight will be referred Again to committees of the new council Ornates is introduced six one through six a seven one through seven three will be referred to committees of the new council Other manners General Ordinance number fifty six twelve thirteen by Alderman racelor Okay Alderman racelor kath and Vandy will repealing and recreating Repealing and recreating section number twenty nine dash three of the municipal cold Alderman racelor. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage second it's been moved and seconded that the General ordinance be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman born Thank you. All of them racelor. Could you just go over the specifics of what this ordinance is going to do I missed I think I missed it in my reading The purpose of this and and director more you can help me if I mess it up is Basically just cleaning up the ordinance and attorney and clean right For the department heads still having to live within the city as long as we still have that ability Which may or may not change later in the year with this the governor saw bill. Thank you Is there any other discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried Other matters city attorney 9-1 is an arrow by the building inspection department submitting the building inspectors that Building inspection departments report from March 2013 Public protection and safety of the new council Who is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from James Turner Requesting a waiver from the sex offender residency restrictions in order to live at 1213 North 12th Street Public protection and safety of the new council 9.3 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 9.4 is a resolution authorizing the purchase of 1014 and 1016 area Avenue for the purposes With the raising of the property for new private investment in the neighborhood as part of the neighborhood revitalization strategy area activities That will go to city plan For my announcements Holloman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor We've got a couple Individuals that'll be leaving us after tonight's meeting Alderman wangam in the older statesman class historian Alderman Reisler just class clown All the person caught We'll be leaving us. I just want to thank you for all of your service as this meeting tonight indicated There's a lot of things that aren't easy decisions that we have to make in the times. It's been pretty difficult But you know, I certainly appreciate your service your candor and also your commitment to your fellow residents and citizens So thank you very much. Good luck in your future endeavors. Thank you Any of you three would like to make a statement Phil Thank You mr. Mayor I've been up here so long. I've even been here before Marge batter And and that was some time ago But thank you Marge for being a excellent citizen. She's she hardly ever misses a meeting I think she's made more meetings than I have so it Monday nights will be kind of different for me now I've been at this for about 14 years and in fact, I've been with the city for over 50 years But you're not rid of me yet. I might turn out to be the the Brett farm of the council and keep coming back So I I thank you for the nice words and I'm gonna miss you all and it's been great working with you Thanks much. Thank you all the men Longing home and racelor. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I'm gonna introduce build a Monday night football You'll have something else to do on Monday nights, but I'd like to thank everybody. I made a lot of great lot of great friends We had our ups and we had our downs We had our challenges many many challenges and I had a great time. I enjoyed it I have other endeavors obviously to Tackle and that keeps me busy, but again, I want to thank you all of you for helping me and putting up with me I know I'm not always the easiest person to deal with all the time But we got through the last three years and again, I really appreciate it and I'm glad I made all of you Thank you all the men racelor All the macaque I just like to say that I enjoyed working with everyone of you. I've enjoyed working with Just about everyone in this room. I'd like to thank my constituents for putting me here for four years and I'd like to say to Billy feel who's taking my spot Good luck to you and Thank you. Thank you all the macaque Thank you all My last night to I want to thank the council all the department heads that are here and all the city workers You know the city workers and the people that are are here tonight is what makes the city go Whether it's Somebody working in the parks all the way to our department heads. They're all important and they're great employees And I am joy every minute that I've served here. I want to thank the council for the year We've had our ups and downs, but I've enjoyed every minute, you know in 1986 I started here as an Alderman sitting actually we're Alderman Decker sitting right now It's kind of neat to see my son and son-in-law there Before it was my father and I sitting here for many years The tradition goes on the shaboy gun goes on. I want to thank my family my wife She's put up with me for many years in politics. This is it honey. Really. This is it And the rest of my family, you know, I've been doing this for like I said over 25 years. I've enjoyed it I've had a great Career. I've enjoyed working with all the people in shaboy gun People that know my story of how I got here from very young on it's time to move it on and I've got something for Mike Mike this is for Mike van der steen. This is for you And now we'll adjourn Alderman Hammond motion to adjourn It's been moved seconded to adjourn hit your buttons and We're adjourned