 Jacko and I are modern-day males, which means we're not afraid to talk about women's health We've absolutely no experience of our own to back this up But we're gonna have a go at it and we've got Sally Bell on our resident doctor Third time on the podcast. She's doing well and we're gonna talk about all things women health and pretend We know what we do about what we do about no to pretend We know what we're talking about and not put our foot in our mouth Jacko. Is that correct? Just talk about your lady bits to him. It's fine. It's fine It's not it's clearly we're not being weird about it because we haven't made a weird intro about it But now where I just want to caveat it that we are I am we are the limits of our comfort zone on this one I would say because we like it normally we're talking about some level of context Whereas we let's not pretend that we know what we're talking about as well. I'm trying to be honest and transparent Yes, luckily someone that does know what they're talking about And it's completely console talking about because she does what she's talking about is the expert They say sell it self self proclaimed Um and appointed. I'm now surely I'm the I'm the uh, I'm the resident doctor at the scorecard She said when she came on podcast with her time and rightly so Um Yes, no fantastic podcast again love talking to sally at any point let alone On a podcast when you get to pick up rain for a whole Hour you should we should probably have to pay a lot of money to do that really but we get to do we get to do it for free and you all get to Benefit from the wisdom that she has so yeah, no you will enjoy this one a lot to take away and A little bit of something for everyone as as always we're selling Now we've got before we get other things to talk about Yeah, well just before we get started that some of you will be more interested in your training bits rather than your lady bits Um, and if you are If you are we've got online and uh in-person workshop options as a six week mobility course With me and coach george starting every Tuesday On the 5th of april for six weeks come and join for that. There's only a few places remaining I believe as we record this, uh, but we're a bit ahead of time So just yeah get yourself involved in that and then two workshops in person. We're coming to Scootland's timbo good Scootland the bunny's cool in in uh, we're going to edinburgh On the 30th of april So get yourself involved in that one and then there is the 14th of may We will be in livibio That was livable for those that can't understand my scouts and the other one was scotland for those that couldn't understand that Excellent, right. Let's dive into podcast number three all about women's health with dr. Sally bell Roll that jingle Listen players You're listening to the movement strength and play podcast by the school of calisthenics Here are your hosts tim and jackal So it is a welcome back Back back probably. I don't know every we've lost can't how many times we've had sally bell onto the podcast But sally welcome back back back Very glad to be back. I hope now I do have the title of school doctor I hope no Saw me off my podium and for being school of calisthenics doctor certainly certainly I mean you are you have been busy Delving more into an area that Myself and tim by our masculinity don't have any personal experience of Being a woman or women's health and how that affects us everything from our health and well being to Training, um, maybe not first-hand experience. I've got some second-hand experience. Exactly. Yeah Second hand I don't know maybe I've observed it in in in women Good, and I've asked him. I've asked intelligent questions. I'm I'm I'm here to participate in this conversation jack. I don't Oh, I'm here to listen. I'm here purely. I'm purely here to listen Oh I want to know what you want to talk about in relation to women's health Oh So to set the scene, you know, we've been on this journey before and talked about how You know, I've been a conventional gp for 22 years But about 10 years ago you started to look upstream and developed a style of practice that instead of focused on diseases started focusing You know on why people are on well and personalizing healthcare and looking at some of the key foundations that underpin health and And in the process like have fallen back in love with medicine, you know, have a lovely private clinic where I see people get well Um, and in that journey, I think what I started to realize and only, you know in the last two or three years It might come as a bit of a surprise Just how there is a lack of data around women and how so much of our understanding of health our research Our understanding of disease is really rooted on the study of the white male Um, and then, you know, and it was a real revelation for me as I started to dig deeper You know started going upstream again and looking at studies and looking at where some of ideas have come from for disease You know, for example, I think there's a Statistic seven out of eight women present atypically when they have a heart attack and it's like well Well, maybe it's because actually women present differently All the research is on men So it's not that atypical It's that we taught how to diagnose heart attacks in men and we're not taught how to diagnose heart attacks in women And so this was kind of bubbling on in me and just I suppose being a woman as well and having my own health journey Just realize the lack of data there that's specific to women In anything understanding disease drug treatment And so and so then emerge this kind of move towards specializing more and more in in women's health And recently starting a new platform Looking at how women can recover their health online Sally just for the people who are listening I just answer a question for me as to why research and Is not conducted on female participants or Why do we not have that data because actually people are like, why don't we know that? It's in it's in the design of research papers, right? Yeah, so it sometimes you have to go back really historically. So um, you know, you could go back to some Greek times and Aristotle where actually our thinking around the body has always been very male and You know, we were as women We were kind of seen as your bits on the inside of us like we won't have considered separate or individual or unique And so I think like even coming into our culture and in the history of medicine being very male dominated And the study of men, um, you know, that's what kind of sets the ground Work when you start looking at kind of the last sort of 50 60 years of how research has sort of progressed on um, and then, you know You've got, you know, big things where, you know, you may remember the thalidomide scare and not scare horrific situation where thalidomide was given to pregnant women for anti-sickness and then we had all of these thousands of children born with deformities In the 70s and and suddenly there was this right no women of childbearing age can be in studies And so suddenly we were excluded and then only women that were represented were either post menopause You know, and so there was this skew there. There was a fear there And then what happens is that when you progress research, you know, a lot of places outside of the uk the uk is really lagging behind Have recognized this is an issue only in the last sort of 10 years and pushing to have women represented in studies Um, but a lot of, you know, research they build research on previous research You know, you build your hypothesis on what's already done and because women have been excluded It makes it just complicated to start including women And then some researchers are just like women are too complicated like, you know, our hormones are changing all the time Um, you know, and when you do a study, you know to be successful you freeze everything Don't you and you change one thing And and and the thing is with the complexity of the female body is that it's very different And so I think there's an underrepresentation there But more than that even where women are represented. We don't get sex specific information We're just going to get blobbed into everything that's going on and the conclusion is then, you know, um You get an overall recommendation instead of splitting the sexism actually studying women for particular diseases, not just female health issues for any disease Highlights a significant flaw in in our Research practices, doesn't it in terms of like we we often hold research up and academia up as Being the guiding light in the the most intelligent in society And it's actually fundamentally flawed at so many levels when they say a study showed that X X X or a thousand men Like might have might have shown that but even within that it's it frustrates me when because You're very much an applied practitioner as as I am in a very different field But I still like I the value of that Embracing the complexity and not allowing ourselves to reduce things down to these individual components Which may or may not make a difference in somebody else It's it's like someone was saying to me is like there's still value in campfire tales If understanding the one the one thing that happened How did that happen and why did it happen? And we have to just be a little bit okay with not knowing everything and not need to be able to control everything I think it's really really important to understand that science is the pursuit of truth. It isn't the truth And I am probably as tired as you of seeing people beating the shit out of each other with their research papers And and what you get then is people just disengaging from the scientific community Because they're so tired of seeing everybody disagreeing And I and I think like we need to bear in mind that it is the pursuit of truth that there are things changing And we need to have a very sort of Broad holistic view as we approach these things and we need to understand we bring so much bias Like I'm always going to be pro-nature and and I bring that when I look at research And and so it's so much more than just what the paper says It's who the researchers are. It's how it's funded. It's who's represented Represented from a male and female thing and I think as a clinician when I Have a patient in front of me research just plays like a part of the A part of the decision-making like I have my is it scientifically plausible, you know My what my intuition says about this patient what the patient wants what their beliefs are as well as you know My clinical acumen from working for 20 years that I draw from And then science informs into that research informs into that and it is this like gosh We need to have some big conversations instead of making everything so small and about what the research says It's like life is bigger than that. We need to hold these things in tension and walk together as we pursue homeless and healing Yeah, we it's different. Yeah, go on jack. Oh, I was gonna say we actually had Have a conversation a little bit like this the other day where It it's it's definitely not just because just because A study or research has been Done doesn't make it like and people just use the word like science And like we joke about it like a literally an anchorman like it's it people make jokes for it But it happens of going like If I've conducted a study On a small number of participants That is to prove My idea or my product right like that isn't science Just because you had a scientific paper to prove that because actually as you said something like the pursuit of the truth And understanding that we all have some we're trying to test a hypothesis So you could you can't not have some level of bias but appreciating that level of bias Yeah, it's certainly important um something so If you if if we've starting off at that point we're going like there hasn't been there's complexity to um studying Females female health how the body works because we've got a lot of different changes or more complexity than the male does and therefore there is a lack of research, but Well, where are we at now with it and when I say we I don't mean me I say mean you in the scientific of going like so going past appreciate going get we're going past like okay There are some differences and there must have been some just done. What what are some of the sort of like Highlights for people to start to to to think about from a top level and we can dig in I think what's irrefutable is the explosion of research on just how different the female body is at every level at a cellular level Muscular level anatomical level lake All of those levels like that and physiologically and and how we present, you know, sort of in disease It's just it's irrefutable like we are different And but there is still a massive sort of gender data gap to catch up You know with research actually looking at that and considering that and personalizing it to the female body And I and I think it's so so I think like at the moment we're in that difficult Period where there's an awareness, but there aren't the solutions And so it's a horrible time to have a conversation because it's not like I can go hey we're there like, you know that they're you know You know the the cogs are starting to turn and and things are starting to happen to address these issues And and I think it's I think just one of the things I say now and things I've learned so much as a medical practitioner You know with women is you know, trust yourself lake Don't be put off because you don't fit a criteria or you know The drug doesn't work for you and be made to think that there's something wrong with you Like you know your body and I and I think for practitioners where we're in this awkward time of like Well, that's great Sally, but how on earth do I practice differently? You know my advice is that we need to be believing people's stories and for too long We disregard people if they don't fit into the way we're trained or what we think should be happening And and we need to start listening at what's going on You know with a person and and respecting that and working with that instead of starting with the disease category Yeah, I think that's and it's it's where it gets a It goes back to that point around that complexity of actually when you look at traditional health care I'm going to make something which might be slightly judgmental Is it's like because it's difficult and the demand on the health care system people are They go on the surface level information sometimes don't they so these things take a take a process to dig into There needs to be some sort of trial now the level of care needs to be Almost greater because the contact time needs to be be high and I've got some context of this of of some Some treatment then some support my wife went through a few years ago But it's it's these things aren't quick fixes are they but the the the national health service in the UK Let's be fair to them like doing an amazing job But they just don't have the resource to be able to necessarily dive into the complexity that's Sometimes going on is that fair to say? Yeah, I think totally like the NHS is absolutely fabulous for specialized care and for trauma You know, I always say, you know, if you landed an A&E You know, you don't be standing over you're talking to you about broccoli and sleep like you want You want that surgeon like they are fantastic at what they do But when you look at the problem of chronic disease and chronic disease is everything from your Alzheimer's your autism your cancers your respiratory diseases heart diseases diabetes obesity, you know this whole massive spectrum of diseases You know, sort of 80 to 90 percent are to do with our lifestyle and and we have a system That knows how to treat acute things and knows how to medicate things now lifestyle problems require lifestyle solutions And it is totally lucrous to think that we can keep medicating it And so we do need a different system that starts looking at lifestyle issues and then that whole Difficult thing of helping people change and we know just like a bit of information doesn't change anyone We need to coach, you know, we need health coaches. We need people, you know in groups We need that kind of tribe sort of a mindset to make some changes to our lifestyle to help Um recover our health So yes, we need a very different system and that's why it's failing and like in my private clinic I have an hour with patients and and people say well, that's great. We just don't have that time But let me tell you that patient will Keep coming back to the GP, you know again and again and in that hour I can sort out a huge amount and then actually my health coaches Often will then take that person with the plan and make those changes And so although people go it's just not efficient having all of that time I think it is because we it stops all this kind of repeat, you know presentation and um You know it actually gets to the heart and the root of what's going on and then, you know Stop the billions of pounds that we're spending on medication much of which people don't take Um, and and so so yeah, I think you know, we do have to find and address these issues around finding a better system Yeah, I think it it sounds so obvious a couple of things where you go Men and women are different and therefore Like their health Deeds are different and if anyone's ever Met someone of the opposite sex and spent some time with them, you'll know that they're They're they're we're different. Um, and then the the idea that the phrase they said are like Lifestyle problems need lifestyle Solutions again when you put when you say it in a phrase like that. It's just it sounds so obvious. I think that the The drive for that change I think we all feel in is in is happening. I think the the solution for it I think no one necessarily probably knows and it is that's outside the scope of Of of this conversation for sure But in terms of what you're then What what you're trying to do what what things you're Identifying from a female health perspective that you know, we will we'll have we come to a work A school cast at its workshop. We'll have probably 50 percent close to of the participants are our female and You know a huge number or percentage of the our online members are female and they doing some incredible things with their with their training and we've had a couple of people on the podcast Forget her name, but the s and c coach tim that was sort of specializing in Like training female athletes around their cycle to get like treating their cycle as like the Superpower almost of like understanding when to push it and understanding when to pull back based on that I can't remember a name, but I'll I'll find it. I can't remember. Yes It's worth a listen back because we could Yeah, and we can go wide you can you know your special like go go wider in terms of like general because if someone's healthier Generally, they're going to perform better in training and recover better so we can we can go wide with it But what yeah, what are you trying to do rather than let's rather than us trying to give some suggestions for the NHS? Yeah, no, no, I think like, you know, um, I always try to keep it simple and regardless of your sex You know, there's some key things that you can be doing that will just radically change You know your health your experience of life and that of your family and you know, that is you know adequate sleep It's aggressively managing our stress. You know, it's being active not just training You know, but if you're sitting all day, you need to address that It's about connection with self others and you know that sense of purpose And it's you know about eating and I say the big food messages are eat real food eat less than you think and eat together And it will totally transform your life if you just follow some of those principles But I think particularly around women and particularly about women in every productive years I think it's understanding how our hormones impact how we feel so our mental health how it affects our gut function You know how it affects our skin You know, how it affects Our mood and even our brain function how it affects inflammation on our sense of pain Like it's realising that you know, our sex hormones that are fluctuating throughout the month You know do more than just more than periods and you know and having babies like our sex hormones impact nearly every area of our body And it's having an awareness of that that I think is totally lacking generally with women Not just within you know You know, there's some training and athletic work but just generally this idea that you know It affects all aspects of our body as well as you know in the medical profession So I I think you know, there's the basics that I would always tap into but then it's about personalising it even further And considering and teaching women women about how their hormones affect how their feel their skin their gut their brain So they're not thinking they're crazy That they can like in training harness the time when they're testosterone peaks and they can build muscle When they're progesterone peaks are therefore they're better at doing endurance work You know, there's there's things like that that can really help Women just enjoy who they are that we live at a time where You know, we're told we should always be honest You know Great in bed greater work great everything and there's probably about three or four days in the month where Hormonally we wanted to live like that But there's other times in the month with our body changes And and we need to live a different way and have some respect for that So we know how to harness the brilliance of what are the changes that are happening in our body So is the big step around this then study is it is the first step around education? Is that where we where we can begin and I guess that kind of links into a little bit about what you're doing with your Platform now and and to support this because there's probably lots of questions that jack and I don't know if there was a woman sat on this This in podcast with us now. They're like, I've got friends who do x1s there, but jack and I probably said I go like so Where do we where do where can how does it begin because it strikes me there's so much going on It's kind of going there's not one thing people need to do There's going to be an educational process for understanding and and then application to yourself, right? Yeah, so I think um, so the first thing is is for me the big message is How much control we have over our health as for everybody like this awareness and taking responsibility You know for these lifestyle choices and and realizing how much control we have over being healthy and Or heading towards that's a root disease So so leaning into that and learning and equipping ourselves and then I think the next layer for me Is that as women just having this awareness and starting to have this discussion that there is nothing wrong with us We are not a deviation from a norm. We are not a little man Like actually harnessing and understanding You know how our hormones impact us through the different Eras of our life and learning to celebrate that and live with that So it is an awareness piece and um, you know one of the things I've done is like I hate that I have a private clinic because I find it really difficult to charge people and and my passion has always been to I just do it's just this nhs thing that is ingrained in us and um, and so one of my passions has always been to Provide a platform, you know where people can get this information that's safe and sensible and not weird and wonderful and You know, well some of it might seem a bit weird and wonderful to some but and so I've created my new platform Dr. Sally women's dot hell um, where I'm starting to Uh create courses pertinent to particular health issues. I've started with the perimenopause Um, but my next one's on mental and emotional health for women Um, and then gut health for women and I'm trying to just with each one just unpick what the evidence is out there Um, and then start looking at lifestyle and how to personalize that alongside conventional medicine like, you know I'm pro that it's a brilliant thing But just trying to give women some tools to help them on their health journey um, so yeah Can I ask a question from from a man's perspective? Yes um, so it's maybe double pronged as a father to a one-year-old and I appreciate she's got some growing to do before I've got to worry about too much of this sort of stuff But let me prepare in advance because it may there may be other challenges along the way Um What what what can I do? From a male's perspective to support facilitate from that if I've got a daughter's in my life And and also for as a husband Yeah To guide and and be a be a positive voice influence Uh supporter whatever it might require in in this conversation Yeah, I mean I think with any of the kids the greatest gift you'll ever give is that they know that they love The rest of the stuff they can sort out they can get a good psychotherapist Really really like just you know having a father figure that is totally championing her In whatever she wants to do and pursuing what's in our heart. I think is the greatest gift As with your wife, it would be the same thing, you know And I think like as women we we have some voices in our head. We we we're afraid of our voice We don't feel believed. We don't feel heard um, and so I think to have voices around that Call us to Trust our intuition to trust ourselves We know what we need. We know, but we don't always know how to voice it and we don't have confidence in it so So really if you're fathering or you know in your partner, it's it's you know Getting getting us as women to trust ourselves because that has been robbed from us for decades and centuries And we as women are starting to find our voice. So I think there's an element around that is the key um, and then you know, I do think it would be savvy for you to Understand how our hormones change through the month and how that impacts us as women um, you know, just a quick example would be You know That first week after our period, you know, our easter-tons starting to rise and and in that time we're more likely to get our to-do list and we're you know, we're on it and Feeling a little bit invigorated mid cycles that time where we want to host the huck the parties sex drivers amazing like we feel like goddesses You know the week after before our period as progesterone rises, which is you know, it's a call to us to step back to be more self-reflective We're more self-aware and that's the time what we might be more irritable But it's more because we think we should be living like mid-cycle if we could just accept that actually it's a gift You know that intuition that comes about and then during the period, you know It's a time to rest and eat and nurture and feel our body Ancient cultures we would all have disappeared in a in a tent and just you know, had a girly time You know for a whole week and not done anything. So, you know, I think just Understanding that and then allowing a woman to be able to live in response to that Um can be just hugely helpful and when I say woman. I just mean biological female I don't want to exclude anybody and it does get more complicated when people transition and take male hormones But, you know, it's still it's for anybody, you know, that has these female hormones going through their body just You know allowing allowing that and respecting that and and not expecting us to be like you where everything's steady um hormonally I think there's some interesting stuff there particularly around the the history and particularly around how they that conditioning around not being heard and having a voice and how that kind of affects the the mental state In a lot of women and just as a slice is a joke before I kind of takes it seriously I need to understand that hormonal cycle so I can know when I can pack some muscle on Naomi when she's big enough Basically, that's that mid-cycle. So I need to test Osterone's peaking. That's the time to do your muscle stuff And the endurance stuff is premenstrually when that uh When that progesterone starting to rise because it impacts how we use our energy and it's amazing It's totally phenomenal when you start thinking that's it the conversation is coming Like I've seen it happen in the last few years, particularly in sport where like I think as men We probably get uncomfortable around the some of these conversations But this sort of stuff in sport particularly as as people have started to kind of come out It's Debbie sergeant. Jaco was that's the coach that we had on before Who did a lot of work in this area trying to sort of get the um Get the message out there, but that we need to be started Writing training programs differently and structuring programs and plans differently for female athletes It's very it's becoming much more comfortable for S&C coaches the guy in the gym to be having conversations about what part of the cycle your athletes are in And I think that's that's a high performance environment. So it's these there's different kind of behaviors I guess that come with that but yeah I think yeah, why do we not like how many men out there? I'm thinking for myself I can know exactly at what point my wife or their wives or partners Are in there in their cycle and therefore what's potentially happening? Like if we actually just were a little bit more kind of like less afraid I'm more curious Then that would be like and but if I how I need to go and remember these things So like you said these different kind of cycles and go right, okay Well, roughly where are we at and I did that that just for me kind of distracts It's a really easy win to make home life a little bit easier And then if you're seen to be supporting during those times where They have got those different kind of behaviors and characteristics Then that just is surely going to lead to better relationships and Yeah You know when you guys reach that teenage time, it gives you a grace and understanding and it helps them be more Accepting and you know, especially now when they're you know, our teenagers are just bombarded with these images of how they should be living I think to help us understand how our bodies are wired and then living in celebration of that It's removing taboo and like making it normal isn't we got to normalize some of this stuff and stop seeing it as difficult conversations to have It's just this is it's almost like respecting as you said that the bodies are different And why can we not talk about this stuff because everyone knows it's happening It's like And I think for you guys like you've got an older demographic People in their forties are now training and And interested in this type of thing and like as women the Perry menopause can be anything from three months to 10 years And can start in your early forties And at that point you lose that lovely cycling that's predictable and your hormones are all over the place And so I think again, you know as pts and as trainers having an awareness Of women in their reproductive years is helpful, but then oh my goodness. What do you do when you Perry menopause because we as women don't have any awareness of this like it is completely a taboo subject And something that really is changing And so so again the how that must impact Training is is huge. Yeah, there's I want to pick there's pick up on something and then ask you Potentially a difficult question, but I don't know you might be maybe that people have the answer But to pick up on something that's irrelevant of male or female that Actually, we've had a couple of amazing Female guests on the podcast recently Daria Albus said about she's a female x-pro kickboxer is now she's a coach And one thing she gives all of her fighters that she says is the most important thing was unconditional love and What you said then what you said to it's a team of like what what in answer to a question like what can he do And he said make sure to make and sure that they know that they're loves You know, can you expand a little bit on because I had the private conversation with you last week where you said You have two types of patience One and not male and female you said they either know that they're loved Or they don't and the ones that know that they're loved. There was just a dramatic difference. Just Expand on that before I then ask a difficult question But that's not because that's no of male or female. Yeah No, so, you know after 22 years and of working with patients and Really desiring to help them make Habit changes I've always kind of dug a bit deeper of how people are wired and I think The science is there to report, you know to support it as well as a lovely guy Gabor Mate and Brené Brown's work it all reflects the same thing that When you grow up with a sense that you know your value and you know that you're loved You know, I can ask my patients to make any changes and you know with a bit of support They can and what I found though is that That actually a lot of people can't make changes because they don't know how to love themselves They don't feel loved. They don't feel valued and I would say sadly like probably that Is the majority of the cases where the majority of people Even if they don't consider they had a traumatic childhood or sadly, there's a lot of people traumatic childhoods You know, they have this lack of of self-worth and I think it's more dominant in women anyway And and and actually for me to then load them up with a program or you know, try and get some changes It's almost like a compounding because they they can't self-care because it because it's like They can't they don't know how to and so what we have to do is Is I work with amazing psychotherapists Michelle McCully and You know, I'll often send my patients to work with her to kind of dig deeper to get that root of what is lying You know at the heart of that And and building that sense of self-care and then once people have a sense of self-worth I can ask them to do anything um, so so that's why I totally Utterly believe that the greatest gift I can give my kids I get loads wrong um, you know, is that I know That that they know that they loved and and champions and cherished and and if I can get through life and give them that gift Honestly anything else you can sort out when you're an adult It's interesting. I I saw a clinical spike psychologist speak the other week and he said it's talking about um, it's a little bit similar to this but around um Strength and vulnerability in men. It was kind of like we often talk about that in women book I was at the like a male perspective And he was talking about like he said that the the quality of your your personal relationships at 50 Above anything else that you're going to do in your life The most important thing is the quality of your relationships at 50 will determine how likely you are to be alive at 80 Like that and the there's I think he's he's like he's got two two phd. So I'm assuming that's backed up Pretty well, but it makes sense, right? That's a similar sort of thing like knowing knowing that you've got that Community that network of people around you. Yeah, it's actually significant on how healthy you're going to be or I talk about one of my foundations been connection to self connection to others and connection to a sense of purpose And there's great research to support that you know our social isolation drives disease It's a more potent driver of disease than we kind of you're smoking and you know your diabetes and so it's so It's so destructive social isolation and and socialization doesn't always mean that you're on your own It means that you're not connecting in a vulnerable and meaningful way Um, and so and so totally like um, it is so important that we're loving ourselves that we're in relationships Where we can be vulnerable and supported Um, and as well as being connected to sort of nature and purpose we see as well You know really good evidence that that when we lose a sense of purpose we give up and But and we can often get ill you often see it with couples You know one dies in their older age and the other will die later and having had no disease And it's almost they've lost that sense of purpose And I think in the blue zones, you know when you look at those areas where They live the longest one of the pieces of research shows that whether they're 20 or 100 they know why they get up in the morning And how important purpose is in that connection and to something bigger than ourselves I'm gonna ask my difficult question. Yeah, it might I don't know if it is or not it would um, but we're going you it you were going into some level of detail around like the female cycle and This is where my extensive knowledge of the female cycle is going to to stop Um, or start and stop is that obviously there is uh to do around reproduction um Do we know Why is cyclical like why is it a cycle? Why is it not just? Um You know like a bloke can get a bone or whenever they want normally when they're on the bus And it's a bit inappropriate. It's the vibrations or whatever it may be I've always ever said that on the podcast before that's the first time anyone's ever said The other week I said dickhead because someone else You'd like you need to listen to uh, salad. Oh, no, obviously you listen to the um, the podcast every week Salad but um, so you'll have enjoyed Santina who who said you couldn't you should you should never trust anyone that can't dance Um And she has this notion of you can't dance properly It's just that you're willing to look like a dickhead when you dance. She was like me and my husband She's australian me my husband. We've got this thing. We just dance like a dickhead. It's just what you need to do jack out Anyway, which I have been doing for quite some time Um, no, yeah, well, so my question do do we know why it's why it is in a cycle? Does anyone have any theories No, I think everything in nature has a cycle. I mean it is just You there's not a thing that you can't take, you know season seeds let everything is cyclical in life Like it's the very essence of how we're created and we you know, the very life and death is a cycle You know, we we come from the ground and we end up in the ground like um so So I think you know, that's that's what it's like and then and then that that female part is all about Preparation. So I think the thing is with the cycle is You know, there's a whole host of things going on to get ready for the incredible miracle and Privilege can to have a baby and you know and so and it's and it and it and The science is beautiful and stunning of all the things that are going on to make that happen Um, you know and and then the wonderful gift that we get more than just wants to have a go and do that like it You know and uh, you know cycles will depend on whatever animal it is, you know in terms of the length of cycles So I don't I don't know why but I imagine it's just to stay continuously fertile like that I don't know them Maybe the other animals do other animals all have that have male and female Do other animals have do the females have cycles as well? All mammals will have cycles and require a male and a female to be able to make a baby and the cycle length varies I'm you know and the between species so And um as well as how long it takes to make a baby animal So for an elephant, it's like two years, you know, they're pregnant I think or something like that and for us it's nine months And then they can only get pregnant at certain times of a year where we it would be every month usually Yeah, um you say gift I haven't slept for a year She's just turned one and she doesn't sleep So I wish it was a birthday last week or this week actually on tuesday and I was like it's that that that moment we go 365 nights Amazing what a gift It is a gift Someone said on a different point. I think jack who might have told me I've quoted you to me sally um I've heard you say this before about like how the detrimental side of have missing a night's sleep or having a bad night's sleep Can be your health. Well, I've had 365 so I literally I might feel like death right now You're just doing great to be here, mate. You're just So how how how do we navigate this is like not at all women's health And so well, I guess it is women's health because like current is more of the feeding than than I do So she's had even worse sleep than I have in the last 365 days. Yeah, talk to me about that because I need some encouragement Yeah, I think it's the cost of having children Okay, so we look do we lose some years because we have children is that how it works because we I'm gonna live forever Yeah, I know I reckon if you tracked your glycan age your biological age During the time that you have young children, we would lose some we would gain would lose some years. So Yeah, but you've then got children to look after you when you're old and knackered whereas I'm just gonna like rot on my own Can we gain those years back through personal connection and love? Yeah, so that's a really interesting question. Like when you look at the the sleep science Generally, you can't undo crappy sleep the damage that's done But on the whole when you look at age sort of anti-aging science Yes, lifestyle can reverse your biological age So I had my biological age tested recently 12, weren't you 12 years old go on get his So I'm 47 and my biological age was 26. So I was You don't look a day over 25, Sally So it's like I can't I can't be doing any more of this lifestyle stuff. I'll end up a teenager Benjamin Benz female version Benjamin Button over here It's the female Tim Peter Pan That's the thing, right? I don't want to die early like Now I've got kids and kind of can't do anything about it. We can't make her sleep Like she just doesn't she's not she's not having it. Well on a separate on a separate No, but similar a quote from Sally Bell when I said it's my birthday in May. She said, oh you're 50th Are you having a big party? I'm surprised you even got invited back on the podcast For the record i'm 30 in May Yeah But saying that you haven't got any gray hair Tim from all you sleep this night. Well, I don't know what what course is that Zacho's gray hair Um, I started going gray when I was 20 at uni Snakebite and black. I think is what it is You can't see them underneath That's why I have a skin fade now because you get rid of the ones on the sides I think I actually think I'm gonna look quite a good gray. I think I'm gonna um, I think it's gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it off So I'm not too worried about it. Let me look debonair Um, well that has been something on my mind I was like am I actually because we've had kids quite late. I'm 40 now He was just doing one. I was like, how many good years have I got left? So I want to kind of maximize the years we've got but currently she's like she's cutting me short, isn't she? She's like she's trying to do me in already Get going Welcome to the world of young children Yeah, I'm not having any more It will it will pass the minor 16 14 and 12 now. I really enjoy this these these years I didn't like priest the preschool years nearly died. I was just like, oh so awful But then you've had three right. So here we go. So your biological age is 27. You're 47 years old You've had three kids. So your the theory has got to be like you're now unless you're n of one Yeah, though the theory of like three you've had three lots of sleepless Periods and you're still doing all right. So I'm gonna take that as encouragement And I didn't really get into lifestyle medicine and nutrition until 10 years ago. So You know, so I just think that's the amazing amazing thing about the power we have over our health Is that we can make changes at any age and reap the benefits Like we can change the direction we go and we can slow down aging And as we slow down aging we slow down disease. So it's brilliant. It's amazing There's some I'm glad we finished on like a relatively because it started out quite serious, didn't I? I'm glad we found a way to a jovial I'm gonna say climax, but when the context of the conversation that we talked about boners and He can't say class like you don't say you can't you can't say bono. That's what you say Anyway, I'm glad that we've we've we've we've we've achieved a good crescendo. Yeah Um, so thank you for coming on. I always enjoy our chats It's always enlightening and encouraging. So thank you again for coming to share that and just tell people where they can find If they are interested in finding out more about you and women's health Just give us your your your links and information again. Yeah, so for my new women's health platform Oh, please follow me on social media because I've started from scratch. So that's drs women's health So that would be marvelous to get that going and then my new website that's got loads of free information and ebooks and courses Um is dr. Sally women's dot health Um, and my old website for more generic stuff is still drsally bell.com So you can still get me there amazing Fantastic. Thank you so much great Yeah, thanks, Sally Are we gonna be class dismissed? We don't do that. Oh, yeah. No, we do. Uh, well, we do but we've changed it No, yeah, but but we can let Sally do it Do you know what? I've seen and she's been on a few Why don't we just do the outro now jacko and then Sally can and then up there also the benefit is the production department has one less edit to do Because she's been she's got part of furniture now. Anyway, she's like resident doctor. So Yeah, we like in front of her. What's new? No, you just get you know, it's not you get to say you get to say class dismissed at the end There you go. We took that away from we took that away from the guests. We were basically doing an outro separately Yeah That's why I came on we don't need to exactly Well, do the do the outro jacko because I think we've to be honest It sounds like we've not on a podcast anymore just having a chat. So we probably need to kind of people are still listening Well, I hope so Wrap it up and then she can then see Sally up Yeah, it's a pause. I'm not editing it You go straight. Oh, you're not edit. You know, even it's I'm not gonna. This is the okay. No, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I keep the guy I was just like gathering my thoughts. I was going to I was gonna right the production department don't want to do any more editing So as a special um What what was the word? I can't I think of climax outro I think it's what I'm thinking about with Actually, sally's still here rather than just doing it separately sally if uh, what's give us uh, give us one One tip two tips or three whatever you want give us A key because normally we would wrap up some key takeaways. I want you to give us your key takeaway headlines watch the key takeaway The key takeaway is as women believe in yourself. We don't have to fit into any box um trust your voice and look me up Hit me up. I'm following on social media. Follow me on tiktok. I'm good at dancing. Dancing like a dick. Get on tiktok All right, so thank you very much sally until until we've got we added a little bit and you don't know about as well But until next time keep exploring your physical potential with movement strength and play Say now you can say class dismissed