 And then you'd only get that one whereas with the service you can switch your watch every three months, right? He gets tired of what he has he does this with cars too and Stupid debt because he doesn't keep your car long enough doesn't pay it down quick enough loses money So there are guys like that. I don't know if we should be encouraging They should make a tag how our calculator watch I mean I'm fine with anybody spending a lot of money on a fancy watch or renting one whatever if this is something that you like You know, it's you know your hobby of sorts. I don't think you should be treated better for wearing a nice watch But that's a whole other conversation. Well, exactly. There's a difference between Should we treat people better because of that and do we right? I imagine the people treating him better may not have even realized they were doing it in lots of cases I will say this as a former server and rest person who worked in the restaurant industry uh I did serve people that seem to be Not just well-dressed but very well-dressed because you never knew if that person could get you fired And so you just didn't want to you you played Patek Philippe Patek Philippe is one of the top watches on this rental Roger, I thought you were going to say is because you knew they would tip well because you saw the fancy watch Actually, you know what? I have found that is actually not true In in in most cases, it's a 50 50 Like it's it's average like some of the biggest tips I ever got were from very wealthy people But they didn't you know, they didn't dress very wealthy Maybe with the exception of a watch but other than that they had like, you know Like kind of a wrinkly button-down shirt because they were just working You know doing business all day And but you knew they were wealthy because they were you know, they bought like eight bottles of hundred dollar champagne Even though they if you saw them in the corner, you wouldn't have thought they were very rich people, but they were Yeah, that that that is something I've read in multiple places that that one of the signs of wealth is not Wearing trendy new things like your clothes are nice, but maybe a little threadbare Maybe a little like he he he had a piano Mercedes But it was like, you know eight years old right and his wallet was like super beat up But he would just pull it out and you know, you pull out a credit card paper But if you saw it, it's like ooh, that's like a designer wallet No, I just look like a big fat wallet with a bunch of stuff crammed in it A bunch of money crammed into it. Oh, all right, uh, sarah. Are you ready? I sure am. All right. Here we go three two Sarah Yes, tom You weren't ready. Where are you? Oh, it's sarah and I said yes, tom. Oh, I didn't hear you Can you hear me now? Oh, I think I know why hold on hold on Let me let me just try something sarah Yes, tom I can't why can't I hear you? I don't know you're talking and I can't hear you. I can't hear you Can everyone else hear me? I can hear you. No, I can do I think it's uh I can't hear any of you guys for some reason. I think it's um I'll do a high jack and I start recording. I can't hear you anymore You didn't add a output that is your oh, I haven't changed anything there Is it me recording audio? No, it's not it's me for some reason I'm just not hearing it come back through Just a technical issue Hold on. Let me try good thing. This is a tech show Okay, there it is. I found it You hear me now? Yep. Yep. Yep. We're all good. We're all good Cool. Now everyone knows we've got a thing Sh, good day internet. Don't tell anyone. Okay. Here we go three two sarah Yes, tom Our long national nightmare is over Tacos are free. No different national nightmare Oh, you mean the apple samsung that whole suit they've settled their seven year long patent and introduce us all to the phrase Chamfered edges along the way. That's the one I'm talking about. They've settled We don't know for how much but apple says it was about more than money So samsung took back what it said about turtlenecks. I guess we may never know but the war Is finally over. I just want judge lucy co to take a nice vacation because she has earned it A patent piece reign forever. What's that? You want to give back some value for the value you get out of daily tech New show no problem. Just head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support to find out how This is the daily tech news for wednesday june 27 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom eric and from studio feline I'm sarah lane from studio. I don't have an animal around me at the moment. I'm scott johnson Also with us our producer roger chang hello and Let me just tell you folks a patent piece feels great It's almost Too good to be true Almost is isn't it? Yeah, you know back in 2011 when sarah lane and I were doing the tech news today program We first covered that patent lawsuit We were we covered it to the point that we even had a running gag about patent wars because children then It just yeah, we were so young and it finally finally seems to have been put to bed. So wow Good work apple and samsung. Yeah, well done. All right. Uh, let's move on into The few tech things you should know Well speaking of samsung the company announced an unpacked event happening at the bar clays center in brooklyn new york on august 9th Samsung usually announces new galaxy note models at this time of year And what appears to be a new note and a new tablet recently went through the us fcc system Well twitter recently announced support for a usb key second factor authentication You be key. You guys know the ones sticking in there and it goes. Oh, hey, I know you you're legit And new accounts on twitter will now have to verify either a phone number or email address So twitter buckling down on the 2fa and google announced wednesday It's retiring the brand names double click and ad words End of an era tools for buying ads will now just be called google ads and get a simplified default interface to boot High-end software for ad buyers is going to be called google marketing platform And there'll be a complementary tool for large sellers called google ads manager ad sense and ad mob are sticking around though For small websites and mobile app developers. All right Let's talk about snap. It's got big plans scott Oh, yeah, man. Also. I'm just I took it a little hard that google ad words. Isn't a thing. I'll ever hear again. Anyway Yeah, let's talk about this the information reports that snap plans to introduce a gaming platform for the snap chap snap chat app citing two sources with Familiarity with the company's plans snap reportedly will let developers make games for snapchat And has a deal with at least one unnamed publisher snap already offers basic augmented reality games called snapables A lot of that stuff's based on other technology they use for putting You know animal faces on yourself and all that stuff. They're sort of leveraging that Anyway, one let snapchat users raise their eyebrows as many times as they can In a few seconds and then challenge a friend to beat their score. It is the very definition of rudimentary gameplay Yeah, I mean the eyebrow game does not sound fun to me. I've never tried it but You know the sort of silliness aside if there's more of an incentive to be in snapchat and especially Connect with your friends rather than just you know looking at each other snaps I can see why the company would want to at least try this out Well, I would I would actually I'm in favor of this because the augmented reality stuff actually has some real Uh or some real potential here and and by that I mean creating situations where you and your best friends on snapchat are participating and kind of a virtual You know try to find the hidden object or You're you're basically geocaching but from a distance. You could create all kinds of really fun interesting Ways of interacting in the real world with augmented augmented reality and do it in multiplayer I mean they may actually lead in this area because they're trying this out with an already installed base And there aren't too many other people trying to do this with the platform So I actually think there's real potential here. Well, we'll have to see how it goes Yeah, yeah, I I mean it seems like a good idea for snapchat to improve on the eyebrow raising game by letting developers Try a crack at it. You think I mean that's like pong eventually. We'll we'll graduate to something more substantial. Hopefully Well with everything that's going on with instagram It's it's it's fascinating to see where snap is like, okay Well, instead of just copying your stuff that you copied from us in the beginning We're kind of going to go in a different direction and and how the the two might diverge and and who comes out on top Facebook is testing an option to let users snooze specific keywords for 30 days Post containing the keywords would not show up during the time frame your timeline Now to snooze a keyword a user must first find a post that contains that keyword, which obviously is not ideal Although facebook says it's working on adding an option to preemptively snooze keywords through some sort of search Yeah, this is definitely an example of them saying like I mean, it's not just for negative political comments It's could be for movie spoilers But it obviously is designed for negative political comments because or or or just negative comments in general because The way it's designed is I see something I don't like I mute it and I don't see it again for 30 days Versus if you're like I don't want to be spoiled on ant man in the wasp You don't look for a post about ant man in the wasp because you're likely to get spoiled by it So, you know it will be good for that when they add the ability to preemptively block it But I like this as a feature I don't know that I use facebook enough to really run into it myself, but i'm sure a lot of people will use it Yeah, I use this I use these features on twitter a lot. I think it's a useful thing I really don't like them having to hunt down a an example of it in order to mute it if my mom Wants to at her ripe old age eliminate all f bombs from her timeline She's got to go find somebody f bomb and to do it Well, the use case would be she sees an f bomb and goes I don't want to see that But only for 30 days not permanent right also. I don't know how because I haven't used yet I don't know how easy this is so I You click on the upper right corner. I think and it gives you a list of all the nouns All the non articles in in the post and then you choose which one you want to mute Yeah, I mean if something was actually triggering you or upsetting you you know be it politics or movie spoilers or whatever It would be annoying to have to see that first post in order to be like, I don't want this anymore Let's just say somebody gets married and It you know the it's there just a you know lots of posts and maybe I wasn't there and you know, whatever It's like I can see where it wouldn't be Offensive to me to see that first post and go, you know what let's just come back when you're done with your honey man You know Megan we understand you're happy about your marriage. Right? Yeah, but Sarah doesn't want to see that Uh, the U. S. Department of Justice has given approval for disney to acquire most of 21st century fox Uh, remember that deal does not include the fox broadcast network fox news or fs1 fs2 in the big 10 network However, it was supposed to include the fox regional sports networks I know that's been confusing because you want to just be like the sports goes where well part of it Went to disney and part of it would not the department of justice Filed a suit on wednesday and then came to a settlement That would require disney to divest itself of the regional sports networks within 90 days of the completion of an acquisition Because the department of justice believes that disney owning espn and all of the other like sec network and stuff that they own Would be anti competitive if they own these 22 fox sports regional networks as well Uh, so disney has agreed to the conditions and said yeah, okay We'll we'll find a buyer for them 21st century fox does not appear interested in keeping them at all by the way if you're thinking Oh, we'll just leave them as part of fox. They don't want them So it would probably be comcast or maybe atnt with warner media That would be the the most likely buyers although it could be somebody else And comcast still has a competing bid out for 21st century fox And and the word on the street is they're going to up their bid to try to outbid disney So this is far from over Yeah, how long can that go like can they just keep bidding until someone just like a regular auction or something until somebody blinks I know it's a bigger process and it takes all this approval in theoretically. Yeah Yeah, I mean comcast doesn't have approval from the department of justice yet So disney's got the upper hand right now But it has to get to a point where the shareholders say no this this bid is the is the right one And it does the fiduciary duty for all shareholders. So we're going to accept that Yeah, it just feels like the story that you never stop hearing about in 2018 We're never about this deal, but finally it'll go through and then who knows But right now like you say it looks like disney's got the upper hand I think it's funny that fox just doesn't want that stuff, but I also understand the espn thing Well, right now regional sports networks make a lot of money. So they're a good sale But they're not guaranteed to continue because that that sports Business model is being threatened by a lot of things like, you know, hulu and youtube stuff like that Gotcha Well, sony has taken a lot of criticism lately for not allowing full cross form across platform play Rather on fortnight the biggest video game in the world I might add while microsoft and nintendo do Sean laden president and ceo of sony interactive entertainment america told euro gamer quote We're looking at a lot of possibilities You can imagine that the circumstances around that effect a lot more than just one game Unconfident we'll get to a solution which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community While at the same time supporting our business Uh, there's no by the way technical reason preventing cross platform play So this appears to be sony trying to resolve the business reason or resolve this business problem With more business reasons such as in-game purchases. Basically. I mean it comes down to this sony does not want you to be able to Uh register the game on their platform and then go to another platform say the nintendo switch in this case Buy a bunch of in-game items That you did not have to give sony a cut for and then go back to the sony platform and play on their platform And they got nothing for it. That's their big hang up. They're in a leadership position They're going to keep digging in I think but this is showing a little bit of a crack In that and there is a lot of pressure on them and it looks real bad Uh, but from a gamer's perspective what they're doing So I actually think that this is probably the beginning Of some sort of change the big question is whether it will be for this game only Or will this apply As he mentioned to a whole lot of other games that are kind of under the same roof They're just not the most popular game in the world Yeah, I think I think what sony's trying to do is say well We need a system that's going to work for everybody and we don't want to lose out on in-game purchases and probably There are some partners who are Not wanting to have easy cross-platform play because they can take advantage of that and sell people multiple items on multiple platforms So they're trying to work out a deal with all their partners That'll work for everybody and when you're the leading console maker That becomes a bigger deal than if you're like, hey, you know what we'll gain users if we do it And that's what we need whereas sony's like we we don't need more users We we would love more users, but we're leading already. We need to protect that business model sure the part The bigger problem here is they're pushing I think against a inevitable wave of change in this one regard we're getting away from platforms And then what you can play with in those walls We're getting closer to a an idea where games themselves and an account that controls that game Is what matters to players and then you just play of wherever want wherever you want to play it You can play it on your phone Speaking of fortnight play it on the phone play it on these consoles play it on pc And now on the switch pretty much every platform end of the sun will have a copy of fortnight on it That's cool and exciting and one of the reasons it's the biggest game ever But this really makes this look like a big sore thumb. So Sony either has to do something about it from a sort of pr problem Standpoint or they're gonna have to buckle down and just say well this you know, we're the we're the leader right now But man, tom I told you this morning on tms I've seen this cycle so many times with different console manufacturers microsoft, sony, nintendo, sega all of them They do this every time the lead platform starts out hungry and humble and when they get leadership position again they turn cold and corporate and Yes, there's lots of arguments for why But at the end of the day gamers revolt and they go with somebody else next time and then they've have to fight to be hungry And humble again. It's the same stupid circle and it drives me slightly How many people are not going to buy a ps4? Because they can't play fortnight on their phone and ps4 or their switch and ps4 at the same time Probably not that many probably not still going to buy it anyway. Yeah At the biggest bummers, it's the biggest game in the world That's the biggest problem for them is they don't know quite how to handle this If this is a small developer with a little excited group of players fine, but fortnight is The definition of a gaming game it wouldn't care at all if it wasn't fortnight And by the way pubg dropped the lawsuit against fortnight. So fortnight's free and clear now Somebody on twitter said yesterday. This is probably a joke that's been made I finally figured out why they called for it right because that's how often I see my son Hey get it microsoft says its facial recognition tools are better at identifying people who have darker Skin than they used to be error rates have supposedly been reduced by as much as about 20x at the same time IBM announced two new public data sets for training facial recognition as well One of which has been curated specifically to remove bias by including a greater mix of face types Yeah, this is something This is a great way to wrap your head around how uh databases and algorithms might not be fair Is to think about just the fact if you take a Representative sample of the united states about two-thirds of the faces are going to be light skinned. They're going to be white Uh, and if you train a database on that It's going to get way better at identifying those types of faces because it's got more data to work at So you have to give a non representative sample, which is what ibm's doing to say like hey We want it to work every time. We don't want it to work better for the people we have more faces So let's give it a variety of faces not a representative sample of faces And then it will actually work better for everybody right I used to think that if me and judge rinehold ended up in the same video that nobody would know the difference between us And now i'm starting to think that the computers are going to best us. So i've given up I used to never have facial recognition work for me like back at ces whenever they do the demos It would just it just would not see a face Yeah, it was very easy Your eyes something's wrong with your eyes tom. Yeah. Yeah, uh, but but the the microsoft surface was the first one Or i'm like, oh it actually works. It sees that i'm here and that's great. So well, you know, it's it's sort of like I don't know. I mean this is a bad comparison, but it's a uh, you know representative, you know people in business or You know the emojis and you know all of the stuff is like, you know, someone kind of goes like Well, wait a second. I mean if it's only sort of trained to see a certain kind of face that doesn't make sense That's not actually the way that you know humans work and we you know, we have to expand on that Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines, which you can find across many platforms as well as at daily tech headlines dot com So google is beginning public testing of duplex remember duplex at google i o it caused a little bit of a stir because It's a system that uses the google assistant with a much improved voice over what you get on your google home or android To call businesses and talk to them in normal speech even doing things like ums and ahs and And stuff like that. Well, they're taking it to the streets google says That they've improved it enough that it can complete four out of five automated tasks without anyone intervening Public testing is going to begin with a small group of trusted testers. So most of us won't get to do this And those testers will only be able to use it to call businesses who have agreed to take the calls All at first it's just going to start with I want to confirm the business hours Independence day holiday coming up next wednesday in the united states are you open july 4th? They'll be the kind of thing it can do for now later this summer They're going to let it start doing booking reservations at restaurants and then after that They'll want it to do hair appointments But this is a key point here duplex is not a I can impersonate a human at anything It's very trained for specific tasks. So doing asking about hours it can do right now They're pretty close to being comfortable letting the public test it with restaurants They're not so sure about hair yet. They've got some more work to do But they think they'll have that that ready soon enough also It will always open with some kind of variation on i'm the google assistant This call will be recorded Uh, so that you know, you're talking to an automated booking service It'll even say i'm google's automated booking service in some cases it varies it up but it's always going to identify that's not a person and Say if it's recording it in states that need it Although in some states you actually have a have to have a permit to do this sort of machine recording So in texas they will not be operating this until they get the proper permitting there Uses wave net so it has multiple voices It can even do lip smacks and breathing although it's not doing that yet But it does do that. Mm-hmm that uh-huh thing that I was talking about those are called disfluencies And they think it's important to do that Because it lets folks know. Oh, it's still on the line, right? Like oh, can you hold while I check that and it goes? Mm-hmm, you know, it's still listening. Uh, also it's just kind of a polite way to ask for a correction like oh Uh, could it be for five people? You know that kind of thing It just makes it seem more natural. Anyway, uh, the reason this is in the news today is not only the announcement of the public test But they did press events monday at tepti restaurant in new york city and tuesday at oren's humming hummus shop in mountain view, california and let the press Play the receptionist and try to trip this thing up and put it through its paces All the journalists I read were impressed by it and said yeah, it's real Almost all of them were able to trip it up and have it go to a human And that's the other thing is in these tests and probably for the foreseeable future google Is going to have humans step in if it becomes clear That the google assistant is not able to handle the conversation Hmm I mean it still feels a little like to me like a solution looking for a problem outside of Um, I know this has been talked about on the show before so I don't want to pound it to death but outside of things like People who are handicapped in some way and can't vocalize the way they need to on a phone call or something I can see huge benefits there. It's Amazing but generally speaking Just call and make the reservation. I still I they haven't sold me yet I'm excited about it from a technology standpoint that gets cool And I like that they're going further and they're testing it that I don't know if I'll ever use this Well, okay, so the I made a hair appointment for myself This morning, and I know that we have a long way to go before it You know it is able to to to handle more complicated queries But you know my original request is is so and so available at this time on saturday If not I could like maybe do you know We could like figure out some some sort of other time or You know do a little variation on what my service, you know request was originally so I'm thinking Okay, well if this was if this was google, um calling You know and the receptionist is sort of trying to figure out what I actually want and I'm not on the line They would definitely go to the person at the call center And then that person's the one who ends up booking my appointment And do they really know all the details of all the stuff that I wanted to do like it seems like I'm I'm I'm offloading Complication unnecessarily like you said Scott. It's not hard for me to do it. It'd be cool If if if if duplex could work this all out for me, but I can't even imagine a world where The machine would know exactly what I was asking Because there were lots of different levels to the conversation Well the way the way duplex works with the reservations for restaurants is you say make a reservation for seven and it'll say If I can't get seven will anytime between six and eight work and you either say yes No, or give it a new range I imagine it could be tied into your calendar And you say like yeah anytime i'm free on saturday before five and it could do stuff like that Yeah, that's true. That's true The whole sort of like pauses and ums and human like stuff I get why it would it's not because it's supposed to fool the person on the other line into thinking It's a human but just make it kind of conversational But if you say off the bat I'm google duplex. I'm an assistant by the way this call is being recorded It seems a little silly after the fact because you already know that it's not a person So it's not gonna act like one listen to this Calling to book a woman's hair cut for a client. Um, I'm looking for something on may 3rd Oh, I hated it That's that's the the assistant talking. I need it. Why do we want that? That's awful? I hate it because why do you hate it first of all? It's not fooling you because you know as it says Though it comes out and it says all right. I'm recording this and I'm an assistant then it does this um Hey, what what's the deal and starts talking like a real person which I think is super creepy I think it will be discordant for the person on the receiving end who wasn't prepared for this And I think when it does get all jacked up it's gonna make them feel weird and exposed And I don't know why people can't just call me the person on the receiving end would be part of a business That's already said. Yeah, we'll do this So it wouldn't be totally blindsided, right? Sherlyn low from engadget agrees with scott. She's like, I don't want it to be ooms and os if I know it's a bot That's weird like you're not alone scott. Yeah, I just find that really odd But I mean part of me is like, oh, that's so cool because she sounded really real and another part of me is like I just I don't want to get bad. I don't want human beings to get bad at this We should still be good at calling a thing and doing a thing That sounds old manish and I don't it is That's not where I'm trying to go. You are literally yelling at the cloud service that we were talking about robots won't take our jobs I'm calling my own salon. Okay. That's something that's interesting that I hadn't considered Automated functions like your calendars are updated with this. I mean that is those are good arguments. I'll give you that I just Maybe it's a thing. We're like, I'm in a very business of busy business meeting in the meantime My assistant is off making eight calls. I can't make myself because I'm busy Yeah, I'm starting to talk about practical uses, but also whether it's right or not There's a lot of people who are like if I have to pick up the phone. I don't have time for that I'll use a different service that allows me to book online This allows businesses to say we don't want to set up an online booking system But we can go into google and say yes, we'll accept these automated calls and suddenly they have an online booking system It's better for the business to be able to do this Uh in some cases and it just takes advantage of the fact that for for good or ill scott Whether they're disappointing you with their laziness people just will more likely take advantage of this if they don't have to do the talking Yeah, I don't know why I don't I the way I used to feel about voice recognition back in the 90s when it was terrible And I was so excited for it and I said this is going to get better I swear it's going to get better People were like, oh, whatever. It's not ready for prime time vr is another good example in the 90s It just wasn't ready So they kept working on it and we finally got fidelity that works in both of those cases And I was really jazzed about those. This is another case of one of those things This is the start of what will eventually be a natural language thing that just happens You don't think about it. I just feel like I'm not sure they're where the problem is at least for most people that they need this solution for So I really be happily turned be turned, you know around on this. It just feels it just feels a little I don't know feels weird Odd well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit Sometimes there are weird stories in there. Sometimes they involve robots and ai sometimes they don't you can submit stories The ones that you care about the most and also vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit.com And also on facebook facebook.com Groups slash daily tech news show, but don't snooze us for 30 days. My goodness. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. We're we're due It's your prerogative. Hmm. Let's check the mailbag. Am I a lot? I don't know tom you should disclose that I could Oh, hmm Are you a robot? Hmm. Call call center call center I'll take over for google assistant Okay robot, you're a little off the rails. Let's go to the mailbag Rob wrote in in reference to our story the other day about tablet rating systems Sometimes hurting wait staff Because of the rating systems that are programmed into the tablets themselves in restaurants Rob says just want to let you know we work on apple products This is his company sometimes we have to work with the local authorized reseller though to get things fixed under warranty We have a really good relationship with audiotronics. They told us a similar thing about the rating system there Anything less than five stars hurts their relationship with apple So now we have a problem with apples procedures And we have to make sure that we or our clients if they took their product there directly only judge What audiotronics did and not what apple originally did even if the problem originates with apple It's sad when we feel like we have to give audiotronics five stars Even if apple screwed over our clients initially Yeah, it's not a problem with ziosk per se It's a problem with rating systems, right? Like that's what needs to be fixed and I the more I think about it the more I think These these companies shouldn't shouldn't promote that side of it They shouldn't be encouraging restaurants to make use of a survey that that isn't Going to give the results that needs to it's not going to improve their system It's it might even make it worse. Yeah, I mean the systems basically are set up to be If it's perfect, you're at the you know, it's five stars anything less than that means that something was wrong So is it maybe like thumbs up thumbs down? That's true on uber and lift. I've heard drivers say the same thing like you don't give me five stars It's like you gave me none. I mean, I don't have a five star rating on uber I don't know why I'm always really nice But you know somehow it's like docked, you know, and now I'm like there's something wrong with me Well, and if you have like four and a half stars, you should feel good about it, but everybody goes. Hmm. Yeah, like, what do you do? Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's that black mirror episode I always think of with price dallas howard and other reminds me of this where everybody's Doing nothing but trying to get five stars from everybody. They mean gaming business long suffered from this like Steam's got a big issue with the way Ratings work and what those ratings mean. 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We might be on to something winning Uh, probably the thing people have been most excited about outside of the dtns proper in a long time Has been the idea of a daily tech news show recipe book that we floated yesterday. Really? Yeah, that's so cool So like stuff like recipes you guys have people in the audience would have that kind of stuff Yeah, well because we good day internet has become so much about all sorts of things Sometimes to do with the show and expanding but often about food Because everybody likes food and we have a lot of preferences about our food So it was like a large population of our audience are human sweet Yeah, they eat for sustenance Stay alive So it was sort of like a hey, you know, everybody has a few good recipes We'd like to share that'd be fun and then sort of those like life hack weird food recipes that are Not necessarily fancy, but still maybe kind of fun to share I've had several people want those particularly they're like i want sarah's sarah's compression algorithm recipes My cottage cheese life hack. Yes. Oh, I got them. Yeah, it's a whole index My wife's jumble eye is amazing and she also makes these cookies. She calls wookies See see Yeah Thank you I have enough dogs around I can get close So I think the two major form factors correct me if I'm missing one But the two major form factors under discussion one would be sort of a pamphlet sized Thing like staple staple binding The other that someone suggested is a is a ring bind That would come with a few But then if you're a patron you could get extra ones that you could add to the ring bind. Oh, interesting. Well, the other thing about Um, so when I was helping make one of these for somebody, I don't know if this is still true But one of the things that they required Was the pages needed to be laminated and you needed a ring type binding It could either be coil bound or it could be oh, okay because When you're doing recipe work, you don't want a book that's Page is gonna fly the other way you want it's oil splashing. Yeah, that's a really good point The laminated part makes sense. But what's the ring part just so it So wouldn't you open it sticky you've skipped to like page 300 and a 500 page book and you try to keep it open And you can't you got to kind of flatten it. That's true. That's chat They like here So I actually have examples. So this When I when I put it like that it just tends to want to close right exactly right because it's staple bound whereas this Which is ring bound Exactly can just sit like that flat Well, okay, so dumb question because I know that you know physical stuff is cool but Is this something that should be physical or more of like a e-book type thing where you can just open it However, you like oh, you know what it should definitely be physical because some people will want to have it Yeah, but there's no reason not to do both Yeah Yeah, because I probably wouldn't If it were me, I'd be like, yeah, I just want to you know, open it on my you know, laptop Yeah, yeah, no, you're you're absolutely right a lot of people will be that way I think it was like my when I made my comic compilation book in 2015 There was a long time where I hesitated on it on the Kickstarter because I felt like well Wait a minute the entire thing that I'm printing is all on a website that I've been making for 15 years And all I'm doing is compiling them into a book But it's the exact same content And people smarter people than me were like no, no, no, you don't understand there Yes, that's how most people are going to get your stuff But there's a huge portion of people who would just love to have this thing on their coffee table And I think there's probably Tons of people who would just love to have a physical thing Sure You just do it digital for You know for kicks because you just always have something. Yeah, we could get I mean It's easy to give all the patrons a digital copy and just be like hey if you support us on patron you get it Speaking of patrons where was that Alan char in our analyst slack Was referencing what I called the eggy toast yesterday where it's an egg in toast And he said this was called toad in the hole where I come from Oh Yeah, I don't know where the toad part of it is but I guess it's Something about a hole in the bread and the egg Being the toad. I'm not sure but maybe some of you know it that way toad in the hole Oh, yeah. Oh, I've heard of that Toad the hole that's what they made on uh v for vendetta. They made a toad in the hole There's a scene where he was making one. Really? Yeah, I just saw that movie For film sack and that's he's making a and he kind of think he called it that but anyway, it's like toast You just saw it for the first time or you rewatched it you watched it. Okay. Yeah, because I it's been a while but Good movie. Yeah, great. Really good. The second best thing that which house All the garbage they made um But yeah, those are I mean they're probably I'll bet you find out there's a million people's weird home recipes pretty nerdy stuff That they could contribute to this book it'd be pretty well. Yeah, that's what we were talking about yesterday Is like each of us would obviously put a recipe or two, but then we could solicit some from That's an awesome idea Yeah, I like this idea. I suppose Wheat thins and brie Could not be One of my submissions. Why not? Well, because it's not a recipe and it's not weird, but it's delicious Why how could it could totally be a recipe you just need a cool name for it and ingredients Wheat thins Brie Brie in the hole Place wheat thins on plate take knife spread brie on wheat. Eat. Enjoy. Love your life That's uh, that's the middle out compression recipe. I'm just I'm such a fan of the wheat then it's the perfect cracker That uh, I buy I feel like it can be probably I don't know I could get creative with all the things you could do with a wheat then because there's always a box of wheat Thins in my cupboard. We could have a section called thin client Nice Actually, just call those thin clients You can tell people how to agree like Well, you could have a page of those, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bandwidth Saving version of the recipe book That's funny our thin client recipe page. There we go. Boom One page done well We're on a roll guys For good Roger's very silent. All right But deadly Literally yelling at the cloud service. I like it. Good. That's good. Done. It's subtle That's great Well ding chowder Uh Just tweeted um me Speaking of toad in the hole versus eggy toast And ding chowder calls it egg in the hole And then there's bacon on it and there's a picture and it's a whole thing That makes sense egg in the hole because there's holes, right, but I you know, that's I think there are a lot of variations of this Now I'm the whole bacon part of this is that's not for me, but I bet the rest of Everybody on the show would think it looked really good. Oh, yeah But bacon on everything. Yeah, I mean there's no better way to ruin eggs than putting bacon on it Really I don't like bacon You're like my daughter. She didn't like it at all. She hates it. It's a weird thing It's like it's not even that I think it tastes that bad I don't like the smell of it I don't like the sodium. I just don't want it. I feel like any dish is better without it It's a smell thing for her as well. She can't even she smells it and she's like, oh, she feels sick Yeah, there's there's something about that. I don't know what it is I want to go wherever it is Exactly. Oh, I smell it and I want it to go into my belly. That's right And most people at least people who eat meat or eat bacon feel that way like that's a wonderful smell But I'm like I almost like don't want to go into a diner if there's too much bacon smell because it'll just Mess up whatever I'm eating. This feels like something that's treatable By by what just plugging my nose. I don't know we could we could reassociate you positive feelings with bacon somehow Yeah, I feel like we need to rehabilitate this like How can you live? Well, I mean everybody's got something where they're like, I just don't like it Yeah, like more for you, right? Like um You know people don't like tomatoes or people don't like There's certain things where I'm like Yeah, like it's it's it's you know, like I don't like watermelon But you know, I don't watermelon. I don't know how to explain it. I just don't like it. I don't want it It ruins any fruit salad I've ever had I love I love the fact that it kind of it's The texture I don't know how to describe it. It's solid and when you chew on it kind of falls apart Oh, that's what I don't like about it. I love it. I love it It's like eating it. It's like eating a fruit icicle or something that what I uh, we did a recording for my other podcast that I produced and one of the questions we ask people at the end it's sort of like a fun rapid-fire thing is what's your most hated food and It's like avocado You know, she said that like right away and after we were done because it's sort of at the end of the recording I was like, but hold on You do you really hate avocado like you hate it? I I get if you don't love it as much as I do, but You hate it like it's such a non-offensive taste and creamy and delicious just she's like, I can't even look at avocado. So Like I don't get that but okay, I guess some people don't like it because it's less the taste But it's the idea like you visually I can honestly say an avocado looks kind of like a weird fruit but Um, well lots of fruit that you open, you know with a pit inside kind of looks the same No, no, no, I mean like from the skin. It's kind of it's kind of looks like an alligator. You know leathery you know like like Godzilla skin and and No offense, but the color inside reminds me of a lot of the uh kitchen appliance decor from the 70s that avocado green Okay, okay, I mean for some people it's just it's a not it's not an appealing color But I guess I guess what I'm saying evolutionarily speaking They probably their ancestors probably wouldn't have dined on avocados And they're far therefore denied Uh, their lineage any advantage by having a narrower dietary I've definitely met folks from other parts of the world or the us or whatever because avocados grow natively in In certain parts of california quite a bit and we're like, I just you know, okay I'll you know, I just have not been used to eating avocados as a child that much I get What I don't get is Briding into you know a nice fresh avocado for the first time and being like don't like this Well, you just said that about watermelon The point is it takes you know, everybody's got their their preferences that there's something wrong with not liking something It just I'm pretty I'm pretty open very much things Um, like I'll try something two or three times before I can say like I don't like it Usually things like fish I didn't like is because people were crappy cooks Like like I remember getting a what what did I get? Was that a denny's? It was really crappy this soggy and just very unappetizing That's why I always recommend restaurants that can do seafood. Well If you can do seafood. Well, you could probably do everything else well You always have to check it though. You always have to try it first and then you see food bad It's like the most regretful thing you ever did like some of a place Sometimes there are places that do everything right except seafood Like they're fish and chips. It's like why is this fish and chips soggy like it used to be fish But now it's my lunch and it shouldn't be sucky Well back when I didn't eat any meat except fish I would always you know, if somebody was like, let's go to a steakhouse I'd always be like, yeah, I'll go because there's always like one salmon dish or whatever like I can still go But it was never good It was always like, you know the afterthought of the restaurant because I'm the person who's not getting steak at the steakhouse I wouldn't say it was bad, but it was never anything where you're like Woo got to go back to that steakhouse and have the salmon It was just salmon or could you eat the lobster if it was like a scissor? Yeah, I don't like lobster too sweet A little sweet as far as giant sea bug meat goes. It's pretty sweet. I like a little lobster in my mac and cheese Oh, but I wouldn't want a lobster as a meal Oh, Sarah that sounds so good right now Giant lobster Because I don't have to open it. I hate having to crack it open. I don't I don't want to work. I don't know. That's so boring. It gives me the visceral thrill of Feeling like superior to another creature. Yes. I don't get that. I don't get that thrill I can crush its outer skin I don't find that fun at all I mean you guys give fake boats to pets At 12 p.m We do not have a 12 p.m available. The closest we have to that is a 115 Do you have anything between 10 a.m. And uh 12 p.m Depending on what service she would like what service is she looking for? Just a woman's haircut for now Okay, we have a 10 o'clock 10 a.m. Is fine 10 a.m. Is fine. They sound like the sea woman like talking to you just what's pre-recorded. It's just a weird this voice It's creepy I look one day. I'm gonna have we're all gonna have an assistant who does things like an assistant does and I'm stoked for that But we're not this isn't it. Yeah. This is a weird. This is how you get there though, right? Like you can't say don't do this or else you'll never get to that thing you want But there's also this thing with like I need to do a thing I need to tell my assistant what I need Which means you could have probably just done it In the time you told her well now I think we're revealing something that I am also guilty of which is uh an inability to delegate You know what? I'm not going to cast stones at you for that. I would trust me. This is it You've actually gotten to the bottom of it. Yeah, that's all this seems like a weird waste. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like we're in this weird uh, you know early days holding period where it's like This all is useful But we're stuck on the fact that it seems really human But eventually no one's gonna care about that anymore Yeah Um Well, thank you everyone for joining us on the live stream. Uh, we're gonna say goodbye to the the wider video Bider video and uh patrons stay tuned as tom tickles your fancy with more of his Whoa physical puns. 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