 Hello, Akash. Hey, Victor. All good. How are you? Good. Good. I'm enjoying the summer. I think. I think most people have marked. And I see a lot of people that have marked the cameras and no one. Yeah, that's maybe why. Yeah, probably we're going to have. So let's wait a couple of minutes and let's see when I'll join. Yeah. Actually, I don't have too much to discuss though, probably. Let's see. Is there any event happening today? Let me check things. I don't see any, anyone listed on. The bands. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Hello, Rich. Hello, Rich. Hello. Maybe this is going to be a short meeting. So. If you have any particular topic that you want to discuss different to add to agenda. No, Victor, I didn't. I didn't have anything specific today. Okay, perfect. So in my case, I was just reading about unique kernels. And there's not cool about comparing. Unique kernels with containers. So I would like to. Hear your ideas and what do you think about. Especially because we have a. An issue which would be related with this particular. A technology. So. So I just want to bring this to the table. And. Regarding the bats. I think that. You have a list of all of them before. You have the open source summit in Spain. DTW and WC. America's city, Texas, UK. Open compute. I think that we have others who are not listed here. But I think that we have a lot of people who are. The. The. Elephant. And developer form. That's the name. Which if I remember correctly, it's going to be in. Somewhere in Europe. That's in Portugal. And. There is another nasty event. In. In San Jose. I would, I would try to collect all the information. In case that you are interested to participate. That's that's pretty much about events. So if you have anyone. And you rather that you want to. I will do it in this particular list. You have to. I guess you don't have anyone open. Maybe that's something good. Any issues we have a several. And we have some proposals for best practices. For. For my case. One of the. One of the. That I consider is pretty close to. That's a lot of. Discussion and information. Is. Is this one. Is this proposal, I guess. Has been discussed. If you're not familiar with this one. The main idea is to. Or the postal is to suggest to have one single. Process category process type. Whatever you want to call it. For container. So, so, so the question is. Especially Gregory. One of the things that he mentioned. Again, this particular best practices. Some. Performance impact. If you are not using. If you, if you use this particular best practice. Your performance can be impacted. So. I tried to collect all the information early with it. So. Some of the cases they. Suggest to use that process manager. If you need to run multiple things. In a single container. And that's because. You can have a type of. In fact, especially to. To manage properly. The signals. In the container. So. Basically that's where the discussion has been. Happening. Also. And have been. You come in here. So that's why I like to bring. This particular topic about unique. So I was. Reading this article about that unique. Comments and compare. Especially con with containers. So. So well. Definitely you are familiar with. So like. And when the. Where it's like a. You are sharing the. The kernel. So. So the. With a first understand. Unicernals. Are designed to. Have their own. But through the application. You are minimizing. The. The kernel users. Like your train. Like a small. Virtual machine. If you want to compare. Like. Obviously. That's nothing to. Relate it. So. Mayor advantage is like. You have a. Good decent size. Because. The only. System calls and information that you are using that. Unicernals. Is restricted. But. In this. In this table. Summarize. A little bit. That. Is. Not. To run multiple process. So. I don't know if. I can include. This particular topic. Into the. This is practice. Probably. Maybe. This is. Probably. Related. But. Maybe we have changed. The title. To expand it. To consider. I don't know if. I can include. This particular topic. Into the. This is practice. Probably. Maybe. Maybe. To expand it. To consider. Unicernals. Or. Not only. In containers. So. Yeah. See that. That something I was doing during the weekend. So I don't know what do you think. You think that would be a good idea or. Victor, have you have you. Read. Like. Anybody. Kind of using the Unicernal. Like architecture for. CNS. Oh yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. This point I haven't. I haven't seen. Anyone. Right. Taking the. To. Explore that. That direction. That's a good point. I mean, I'm not aware. We're doing anything in F5. With Unicernals, but I can. I want to circle back with my. With our dev team to. To see. But it's. Yeah, I need to do more research on it. Yeah. And that's a great, a great point because. Yeah, probably. The way to create these Unicernals are very. Very. Distracted. Probably. There are not too many libraries. I know that. We have a. Some tools. They were mentioning a couple of. Like frameworks to create like a. Like, yeah. Unique. You're not sure. All of these. I'm probably those are good for. Just some type of applications, but probably that's right. Like I made for TNF. Not very mature enough. Or. No one has been experimenting with these months. And the other thing is like. I'm not sure it. In terms like. Orchestrator. I. Yeah. As far as I remember. I'm not sure if you have to do something in your. For example, to support. Unicernals. It's not like a. Move transition, I guess. But yeah, I would point rich. I will. I will try to look for. Anything in the web. Any. Hopefully I can find something. You know, look around as well. I'll ask around. And see if I can find anything to see if anybody. Who's doing kind of CNFs or have done VNFs in the past. Or utilizing any kind of unique kernel architecture. Thank you. Okay. Well, that's. Pretty much about the issues that we have. I know that we have several. We would like to start one in particular, or like you have. Or do you want to propose something? Any new. In these ones. I was, I was. I was checking in the Matthew. Slack channel. Well, they are using KPP. So these. Like a. Project. For. Managing. Packages and everything. And. I was checking in the Matthew. Slack channel. Well, they are using KPP. Packages and everything. That's pretty much what. Matthew. Uses in their. Workloads. So. Also the other thing. I mean, if you are not coming with. What is a KPP package? It's best to be a sub bundle of. Two units of resources. So. Probably. One of the questions that. I was asked in the channel that they were asking was about how to manage the dependencies about those packages. So again, I guess. I don't know if we have. To create like a. Best practice for, for that. It is something that. They can still not identify like a. Dependencies and how connect. Dependencies. So. I'm also giving that. It's going to use. That technology. So probably. Is it still relying the same? Like, I mean, I can provide two examples. I'm not sure. Like. Hmm. These are the. The packages that we have in, in Africa. As you can see. They have some. Some regular. Two unit resources. Like just. You can put it in a single. Folder. With a. These. You can apply. Several things. So eventually. The idea probably. Have the CMF. Probably finding. In here. Like. Not a full CNF, but also the operators and have it. Some definitions. So. Eventually, I guess. We have to define best practices. For. For these kind of. Packages. So. Some of those. Some of these packages are. The word. With an installation of. Some of the Matthew. Dependencies, but they'll. Which are more like a. A CNF. So. Maybe it's not something that we have to address right now, but eventually we can start. With a CNF. And then. Those work. So it's not. The. The. The. The. The scope of the working Euroband may be considered. This. Technology and putting more. No. Acnostic. Are things like that. Well, that's another possibility. Regarding. we don't have any other things to discuss. I know that Ilico joins with uh you know um Ilico do you have any any particular topic that you want to discuss? Um maybe you can summarize. Hi everyone uh no I just joined into LERC and uh listened to where everything is. Okay by the way I was talking before about uh well if you remember like we have um um it's um this issue we have been for a while discussing um the the alternative to propose a best practice for having a single uh process uh category of type for for container and if you remember with this particular issue um and and I was bringing the the option to to bring to the table to unicornals and Rich was making a good point uh if you have here anyone using unicornals for for cnf I don't know if maybe you you are aware of that or not a lot um but I will try to look into it yeah it will be nice if we find find this this use case um and all unicornals have a lot of benefits and improvements in terms of uh like speed and and size so but if you you can have someone it should be nice to bring it as a as a as a additional information in this this issue. Yeah that makes sense I remember that um I don't know when it was a year ago or something that it was a hotter topic I haven't really heard anyone talking about unicornals lately but um again I'll try to look into it okay that's fine and if no one is using unicornal for for cnf that's fine also um maybe um there is something that uh there is there is some reasoning behind some not use that technology yeah could be okay um well that's pretty much um I was just also mentioning about the two events that for some reason we haven't put the dates on those events which are the enough developer information form which I guess is going to be pirate um and the other the other one which has not defined the specific dates are the nephew so we're going to have like a mini summit in the in Tonyville um ending of August or 13th September that's the they they have three particular dates but they haven't defined uh exactly when it's meant to happen um that's pretty much that I have so well thanks anyone for attending and we will see you next week thank you Victor thank you bye bye thank you