 Hello, welcome to toffee TV. This is the toffee TV podcast There's another episode of the Ned cam podcast with Cameron from the mighty blues. How are you Cameron? Yeah, I'm all right I've woken up after last night's snowfest, but yeah, I can't complain really the sun's out The pubs are open in some capacity the barbers are open. So I can't complain yourself I'm not too bad before we get into Brighton. Obviously we're calling this on the Tuesday morning so yesterday was the sort of the Not the end of lockdown, but we saw some pubs and stuff opening as you said shops on barbers Did you get up to anything before the game? I? Went into time to be honest me because I've got it I've got a game of footy later with a few of the lads in goals So I had to go to town and get a pair of footy boots and a pair of shinies and that's all I went into time Just walking and published went into the evidence shop to buy a pair of socks The only had the third kidney awake at once. I'm gonna look like a melon running around tonight Looked at the pubs and stuff and they were absolutely heath and Primax Q was wrapped around about 350 times And yeah, it's a sort of walk around laughing at everyone queuing thinking What are you doing? But I did want a pint to be fair But I had to hold myself off because I knew I'd be disappointed in the night and I didn't want to be disappointed Of course. Yeah, I can't believe all on the queues was so I'm on so much I'm gonna record it on Facebook the queues went right around the bully corner I got some boots myself Got went got some coppers because I just the feel good off fire side being back and summers happening and then And then you go home and never since playing a quarter past eight again another light match and it's just a match to ruin your day And we all end up in bed feeling a bit Feeling a bit shattered and a bit depressed, but what was your initial reaction to the game last night? Well, it's they didn't start very well at all Did it really I mean I was walking right time like I said dead happy mood when I got me boots every insane Got me shinnies and then goes onto my phone and sees that the bammons picked up another injury And he's gonna be out for what was possibly at that time at the end of the season and that's sort of just sat and thought I'm not having this there's not a chance and then you get to quarter past seven when the team uses release no Calvert Lou and no Alan no King five out of eight substitutes of not at the Premier League minute Alex Obie's the only senior player and let's be honest He doesn't have a lot of impact when he comes on so yeah I sort of I wasn't excited from quarter past seven to be honest I knew it was gonna be a long long long night And and that's what it was it was just boring wasn't it mate? It was just 90 minutes of just absolute boss news first. It wasn't good to watch whatsoever I think we had one shot on target and it was a hammershoff from the tightest angle even for hammers or G Guys who's an exceptional footballer. It was the tightest angle. And and nothing else really happened I mean if Brighton were half decent to the one that game. They had the most of the ball They were creating chances. You just couldn't finish the dinner and And we weren't threatening at all mean it goes down and then the tears are just fully shred, you know Going everywhere. I think seasons done now with all of these injuries But again, I didn't expect much from quarter past seven when I seen the team news and and it wasn't much was it really? I mean, it's just a poor performance again to add to the long list of poor performances this season I said to you last night and I said if Brighton had any end product and that's been their problem all season They play really good football. I mean, they had 23 shots on they had 23 shots and food on target They're the end they've got no end product and and if he did had God knows what the score would have finished But I I mean I said to Bas for the game said I'm just hoping for a 1-0 Can't see many goals being scored today But we can so I'll get scrappy set piece was scrappy go and knit the game But listen, we didn't create enough. We just as soon as I saw that line up like you said you're not feeling too confident Are you I wanted to go back and change me to a few picks to be honest Yeah, no, it wasn't it wasn't great to see and I look when you've got a team and you've got no fit midfielders apart from Tom Davis and you're playing six defenders. I hate fathered the back anyway, let alone to be in six defenders there And I just knew it wasn't gonna be very entertaining I knew it would be a case of just see if we get an opportunity and take that chance Obviously, we're Charlotte's enough front on his own and isolated for the majority of the game I'm is dropping into defensive areas and picking the ball up which just baffles me after the baffles me And I'm that chance just never come for ever and then like I said, it was just just boring to watch wasn't it? But listen, we've got a massive massive game on Friday now and our season is in the hands of Friday I still particularly don't think that will finish in a European position at the moment I don't think we've got the consistency or the look on our side injury wise But yeah, again, it was just just awful wasn't it awful to see I mean You're sort of looking at it and you're thinking where's the energy? Where's the intensity after like the court? I comes out of the seventh and team and there's nothing nobody's running around You're so good having footballers that can play footy and a decent with the ball of defeat But when none of them can run what's the point? So it was like we counter-attacked life. It's like watching walking football Counter-attack yesterday. I've never seen a team as slow as Evan in the counter-attack. It was it was like a veteran's father beside football Wasn't it they were just knocking it around you thought it was you're about to thought I was I was thinking all the shows except falling down in a minute It was an absolute mess and a lot of the time it looked every time going forward It looked like a kid's school. I really don't think there was there was not much conviction going forward I really don't think you had much of an idea what they were doing to be honest, and I Like Sigurdsson as a split striker, but I'm pretty I'm pretty sick of him playing in midfield now I know there's not much option there and we had to put all gates in there yesterday But when you're playing when you're playing Sigurdsson in the center midfield and hammers in there as well need drops back Sigurdsons a similar type of player hammers as if he's not a runner He's someone you want a closer striker and he wants runners around him What's legs around him because he's technically a good footballer, but he's not he's not like an athlete is he and when You've got Sigurdsson and hammers in there. You're just taking runners like your team yesterday. We were far too slow Yeah, that's it. So that's what I was gonna say That's why you don't want hammers in front of the center half picking the ball up because he's not gonna take on four or five men and get It to the edge of the box. He's not that type of player We didn't buy him as that type of player no one's under the illusion that he is so when you see hammers Dropping so deep and picking it up off Michael Key You're edging your hands thinking that's the attack on because he needs to be up there What what's the point in Davis and Sigurdsson playing behind hammers if hammers is having to drop back and pick that ball up there You may as well just cut out the middleman until Davis and Sigurdsons to stay at home and just have hammers in there It'd be great if hammers was that player you could pick it up run forward with it Make you know a progressive run and take four or five players on and get it to a good area But he's not that type of player you want hammers on the edge of the opposition box Swing and balls in or getting into areas to shoot and when he's in front of our back line He can't be there and like you said when you when you've got a midfield who off the ball I've got about as much movement as my wallet stand that's sitting next to me here You know, it's not gonna it's not gonna go well for you put it that way Especially when you've come up against the Brighton team who've got plays in the midfield who moved up the Schumer Just add he had a field day yesterday He had an absolute feel that it was comfortable for him But I reckon it'd be comfortable for me playing against them at the moment because nobody runs around nobody moves There's no movement there and it's all right if we get a lucky break or we get a corner And I don't know mean it or keen adds it in or Calvert Lewin's on he adds it in that that's fine We're winning games like that, but We're simply we're just not good enough at the moment mate And we're not gonna win many games like this and to be honest, I'm not looking forward to spares whatsoever I'm really really not You mentioned basuma then didn't you he's stuck out like a like a swollen form didn't he yeah How much did he cost them 15 million? 10 million something like that He's one of them signings that you're just thinking why are we why are we missing these plays like Lampti James Justin basuma, and then there's plays out there like Sangari PSV managed to snap up Why are we missing these these types of plays and we're signing a wall for 30 million that Absolutely baffles me. Yeah, but you mentioned Gabama before and I It's just it's unbelievably I was I was there in rubies a couple days before the game or a day before the game from on sunday night And you just think him The look of this lad is Is so unlucky But yeah, I've since I've seen a lot of people slays him saying oh get rid or he's he's a liability Oh, he's made a glass It's it's been described as a freak accident It's got nothing to do with this with his recent injuries as it is someone's fell on his knee or tackled his knee He's done his knee and whatever so they'd and the club have said out I've come I've come out said it was a freak injury so What what would you be in next move for? Gabama, would you think he just needs to get fit and come back strong again next season or do you think he's just Is courageous finished because I've seen a lot of people that just want him gone No, I think I think we have to be very very patient with gabaman and ultimately We have to stand behind them and support them this lad isn't choosing to be injured He's not choosing to go into training it was described by the club as a freak contact injury Which is basically a posh way of saying somebody's it is me and the dog club don't want to go come out and go I've been got free tackle them and he's done them in because then it puts the pressure on ben goffrey then so It's clear that he's gone in for a tackle or something's happened in training and then there's been contact and that's forced the injury um For me the next step is just get fit and you know get a full preseason under his belt and hopefully Be ready to be part of this squad going into next season I mean, I know carl will come out yesterday and said that his season's over But even before that when there was members that he could be out for the season, but he might return I think I sat down on that one of our live streams yesterday and said even if it's an injury that keeps him out for two weeks I don't want to see him again this season. It's not ready to be seen again He's not fit. He's not match fit. Don't don't put him in even if he retains the fitness Don't put him in again this season Just let him have the weeks training that he needs months training a little bit of a rest in the summer When every when all the players go to to the internationals and then get a proper preseason under his belt Um, what I would say about kebaman. I I'm not I don't I don't think it's a case of I'll sell him or get rid of this That news like I said this lad must have gone through as much mental Sort of issue as he has physical issue in terms of I can't even begin to imagine how hard it is for him As a footballer to have just come back from 600 days out Literally being seen in a week and people with another injury that's going to see him out for six eight ten weeks something like that So as a fan base Getting on his back doesn't do anything. It's not going to bring him back It's not going to make him fit at any time soon So we just have to simply stand behind him and support him and say, you know what get back to fitness soon And when you're back, we look forward to seeing you like I said for me Even if he retained from injury before the end of the season, which I don't think he will Don't play him give him that rest in time Let him have a full preseason and go again in the summer What I would say is carlo and trotty said something really really interesting in the press conference a few weeks back He was asked about it's completely unrelated to kebaman He was asked about midfielders and do ever need another sense on midfielder And I think his answer was something along the lines of uh, well It depends really of jon freely kebaman comes back and he can fill in that space Then no, we don't if not. Yes, we do what I would say to that is still go out and say on that Ten ten feel that you've got in mind because you can't rely on kebaman because ultimately If carlo comes out and says if kebaman gets back to fitness and has a brilliant pre-season and yeah great sound It's fit for the start of the season and then carlo and myself brands come out and say Yeah, we didn't sign him a fielder because kebaman's ready and he's ready to go And then three weeks into the season he picks up another long-term injury Everybody's just going to be honest back as to why didn't you just sign the player go out Sign the player and then kebaman could be an extra on top of that It also takes the pressure off kebaman when he retains as well But look it's sad mate, but it's evidence. Look in it. It's literally I looked at my phone today Yesterday, sorry when I seen it and I just thought that's pure evidence. That's evidence all over and I mean What are the team as as many injuries in as many different positions as we have at the business end of the season What are the team as a player come back from 600 days out and then get some 10 week injury Three days later after playing 15 minutes and in a contact injury and training It's almost getting to the point now where we're sort of sitting here. I think Um, I think peb might have said that on my reaction yesterday or on twitter I don't want the players team and before friday. Just don't go into finch farm to sit at home Sit on your couches and don't move and then turn up a good isn't on friday because You know, it seems that we left the palace game with no it will alan should have retained the cullens of carlo No, if she would calvert louis no issue with kebaman. No issue with king And we've come into the brighting game with all of those players out injured. So I mean, what what can you do plays are getting injured at finch farm insane and in contact injuries What what can we do? I mean, it's got to the point where we a 23 year old made his debut for everton last night Yeah, and he replaced tom davies. He's playing the premier league for about four or five years and he's the same age I think that's thinking No, no way should we be left with a situation like this last night where we had all Kids on the bench and stuff But listen, we've we've heard other teams more about their injury crisis this season. It's costing leagues or whatever And I don't think we've played the same teams Two games in a row since The start of the season. I wound your list has been So so unfortunate and so unlucky But it's honest to go out and Get get better replacements in we need we definitely need another decor of you because as soon as we eat He got stuck out of the team The just the energy and the legs just absolutely decreased But yeah, you know carlo said in his in his pre-match pre-match conference as well That we could see the corey again before the end of the season So how much do you think we've missed him so far and how much do you think we missed him last night, especially? Oh massively mate. Absolutely massively. I mean, this is a lad who is a good footballer good with the ball There's feet decent passing range But he hasn't I don't think it's meant to say because of how much we miss him But I don't think I've the light if you sat down with the corey now and said do you think you've had your best season I think he'd say no I think he'd say I've got to improve on me passing. I've got to improve on He's give the ball away a couple of times and danger situations in games But just having that player with that pure energy and that engine who doesn't stop from minute one So I'm convinced he runs home after the game to be honest. I'm convinced he just he just gets his jogging gear on and runs home Having that type of player in the team is vital and I said it last night after the game I talked about now as in kunku and I know now as in kunku hasn't got any Premier League experience And there's no guarantee you'll come on and change the game But we could pretty much have guaranteed he'd have come on and ran around yesterday And sometimes Just having that energy and just having someone to run up opposition players bright and weren't worried yesterday Right into the fence when sitting there when a woby come on thinking oh my god There's a woby coming on where's even kunku might have come on He might have thought what we do know about this lad is he'll run at us and he'll force us back and he could get in behind So you've got to watch him We were slow as anything yesterday and that's what the corey brings when he's in this team is He brings that energy in midfield that allows Hammers or driggers to not really have that much energy it allows his quality to be to be shown and his lack of Energy if you like to just sort of be carried if you like it allows Tom Davis and Alan to be those types of players who are good on the ball But don't really have the off the ball energy if anything Matt It just shows how important the corey is to this everything even at the corey you sometimes As passing might and be great It shows how important just having that player that can constantly run around for 90 minutes and have that energy is Because we haven't got anybody like him Well, I've said before the corey is not perfect But I do a bad decor or decor in a bad day so much better than having no decor or having someone in there like You know, like I mix off good players like good individual players like Sigerson Gomez But when you put them all together and you there's no legs in there then the midfields literally just It's like it's like a big one big ghost that midfield is the the magical play anyone there But after you know, I think at Watford's decor is he shines so much you just get getting the ball and getting forward and Making dangerous ones in the box I know he didn't score a lot of goals in the last season for Watford, but he certainly scored more than scored this season But I think that's mainly because we because we've had Not at the greatest right-hand side all season We've seen a lot we've seen them most of the time covering right back Haven't we all sitting so deep where we should if we had a right back a bit more defensive cover Oh, I'll play we can get up and down then they mix that allow on him to get higher at the pitch That's just another thing that our right back would bring But but yeah for me to get in the corey back is before the end of the season is so crucial It could it could decide whether we're getting to your opponent. Hopefully we do But even for me, I'd go out in the summer and I'd sign I'd sign the next to Corey You know, you 20 21 year old this plays out there Do the similar profile big fast tall powerful athletic? So for me, it's such a good player But we need we need another player like him because obviously I've ever seen if you take him out the squad Then there's no legs in the squad. There's no energy Yeah, well ultimately you need two players in it in every position that can fill in that for you Like I said when the corey and not just for when the corey comes out with an injury as well We knew the corey was going to pick up an injury he played that many games this season He played that much football. We all sat here and saw yourself mentor Paired bars. We all sat here and said it's only a matter of time before he pulls up with an injury And how we're going to cope without him and ultimately it happened and when it happened We all sort of just went yeah knew that was coming. We knew we'd pick up an injury A hamstring engineer or something like that because he played that much football So he went down early on the season We sort of sat there and thought Dom's going to pull up at some point here because he played that much and he did And you need to be able to have a player that doesn't just come in to replace the corey when they're injured But can come in when the corey's played on a satty and we've got The derby the next satty if we've got full him in between on Wednesday You need somebody that can come in and fill that that space and say to the corey Right, you're going to sit out of this one because you're going to get a little bit of a rest ahead of You can't just have In the same ways that you can't just have one player in a position. We can't bring in a player that is All right good enough to replace the corey We need somebody that's on that same level so that they can chop and change so that the corey can be on the bench for One week and the the player that's coming in can be in the team rather than just Bane and the corey out until he's injured and then being like what do we do now? We've got nobody to replace this rotation It's like it's like we saw him he got rested it was it in the Rotherham game the FA Cup where We went to go down or ended up going into injury time at 1-1 and we have to come on and score the goal Yeah, yeah, yeah to come on. It's like we shouldn't be out. We shouldn't have to do that rotation I mean, I'm sure it was a few it was like a few days or about a week before he got injured But I think bad said to me Or decor is the only player who's played every game this season by the one who was suspended like so He's the only one who's not been out injured And then and then obviously went out for almost all the season. So thanks for that bass. So basses case Baz is doing it everton So obviously we saw another player a crucial player in my eyes in my opinion went out for He's got probably going to be out for another few weeks. Was it amstring yerry me in the last night? Did he pull his amstring yet? Don't know if it's amsing or groin. Yeah, groin. Yeah, it might been a groin actually because he always stretch For a slide tackle didn't he? Yeah Do you think that might change the way we have to set up on friday? Because obviously I don't think michael keel looks great on a back five We might have to put godfrey and holgating the maybe king go in the middle But me and if me and is that probably our best sense of that to be honest So do you think do you think that changes the way we might set up on friday? Hey, yeah, I think it does force us to make a change certainly currently with the Ingenies that we've got. I mean, obviously we don't know whether alan and Gomez will be back in the team Hopefully they'll be back fit. But at the moment, I think you're likely to see Godfrey and keen at centre half would maybe holgate back in the midfield again because We haven't got any other option really and to be honest I don't know how I'd rather see that than Gomez in there because Gomez doesn't really provide any energy whatsoever either He's not you know, he's not a player who runs around off the ball Or does tremendous amount of work and alan in recent week hasn't been As good as he was at the start of the season because he's come back from a long-term injury So I think it probably does force us But I do think hollow at the moment seems to like that five at the back formation with the wingbacks and Look talking about a very very good team. So it's going to be a very very difficult game for them Yeah, you mentioned before about Unconcue, I mean there's a player that might allow us to make sort of a change Maybe push dean back to left back or put him in left mid just to get some more runners in there I don't know what it would do for us defensively But on the other side we had Coleman Coleman's been brilliant the past two games I don't know and always playing wing back. So he's not been Is we're not you we're not using him that much He's not getting up and down the pitch like right up and down the pitch the whole length up and down I don't know if he'd be fit enough to play Tottenham on Friday whether he's Whether we're over using him obviously Which I think the most we send him players was like three games at the start of season ended up getting injured again So I don't know whether he can keep playing that position Or we'll have to eventually make a change maybe put your woby in there on the right But Yeah For me, we definitely we need to think of something where we can make a change and get some more legs in Maybe put an extra man in the midfield just to Try and outnumber Tottenham because Tottenham do play five in the five in the middle don't mean they're really Not possession team, but they're a team that can certainly catch you on the break and Jose Mourinho is that team that is that sort of manager that'll let the other team Have a possession and get you on the break. You know, he does that so well, but we do that as well So it'll be interesting whether because we're all maybe we'll let us have the ball more And we know what happens when We're in possession and we can't create anything We just get we get done on the break which Jose Mourinho does so perfectly so It's it's it's it's strange to see the thing how it's going to plan out. Obviously we've beaten twice already Whether we can do it for the third time. I don't know especially with You know the injuries we've got, you know, hopefully Pitford's back. We might don't it Probably might be back in Halloween, but Are you feeling confident on friday? Do you think we can go and get the win? um I don't know to be honest made Tottenham As much as Tottenham have thrown games so At recent times and you know, it's the new castle game and You know other games this season. I just think they've got a lot of quality in their team They're likes a son. They're likes a cane Um, even the likes of lamella who can come on and hear teams and ever and at the moment Don't seem to have any energy or anything about them Whatever to go and beat the teams at the bottom end of the table never mind the teams fighting for Europe I think this is a season defining game to be honest certainly in terms of european qualification So everton have to go out and win it or have to go out and perform. Um, but i'm a confident I'm not made. I'm never confident at home this season at the moment because we're dreadful. We're absolutely dreadful. Um Especially coming up against the team who you know, you look at Tottenham the other day against new castle New castle go one-nil up within two or three minutes Tottenham have tamed it round had he can't stand it round a couple of goals You have to ask yourself do everton get back into that game if everton got that That passion that energy that spirit to pick ourselves back up and get back into that game or Do we show to just sit off and let it happen? Um, I don't know. I'm not confident whatsoever if you mean honest mate Yeah I suppose it's down to who scores first and on friday. I think if we nicked one we could Sit back and try and ride it out or and if they nicked one, you know, it's typical Jose marino part of the bus and and ride it out so We're so inconsistent and so unpredictable but unpredictable knowing us we will probably go in the next two games I'm not Maybe being a bit overconfident, but that's that's that's us. We'll go beat the big teams and then we'll show to beat teams like Brighton and palace But yeah, one surprise me I'd yeah Just we could have keep counting down the days of the summer to be honest and get this stressful season over with and Look forward to get some summer signings in and obviously Hopefully we'll start seeing some activity over at bramley moor. Are you excited to see the first shovel in the in the ground? Yeah, obviously mate. I think it's massive Again, very emotional time Obviously when the stadium news was announced because you saw to think and all this It's the the ticking time bomb now on on how long we've got left that condition I mean, I haven't been a condition for over a year and to think that we might only have two or three years left There is is a horrible feeling And but bramley moor is desperately needed for the club for the future of the club For the aspirations and ambitions of the club. Um, so yeah, I can't wait myself I really can't Do ever need to improve and become a better team going into bramley moor? Yes, we do. Hopefully we're some form of challenger whether it be for champions league or titles or whatever Um, but yeah, I just can't wait. It's been a long long time coming four five years in the pipeline The presentation from everton was fantastic And it left no unanswered questions and that's exactly what we wanted We wanted the situation where the government and the council couldn't say ah, but what about this and we go We've been shipped up there. We needed every question answered and it has been so I can't wait mate I can't wait to see what the stadium's like. Um, but I know from a lot of the comments on our streams I'm sure yourselves have had it. Don't worry about the stadium. Worry about the team at the moment So hopefully we can be a better team going into bramley moor Well, we saw with we saw we've talked a lot to us burdened me that they They were never really a I mean to my eyes. They were never really a big big club Nobody really was bothered about talking and they were sort of the same But but was was when we were under david moore's always sort of finish around the same places in the table And then it's sort of like the this You know, they had this new stadium and they'd all like your friends with nfl They had this big documentary on amazon prime and suddenly like tottenham. I've not won anything I know they work out to a champions league final and pochettino sort of Revolutionized the way tottenham played and they made them into a really good team But it's like tottenham become this suddenly this Much bigger club over time into this big nice new stadium Do you think that's something that can do that can be done forever? So do you think it's got to be backed up by the way we play? You know, we need maybe obviously need to go win something before we move out of goodison park because it's been Far too long for us. Of course 26 years 27 years now So do you think do you think it'd be so important for us to get So maybe win a trophy before we leave goodison or do you think we just got to back this new stadium up by Obviously obviously making improvements in the way we play getting champions league and hopefully that can make us into a bigger club Well a bit of both to be honest with you mate I mean carlo has asked a few weeks back back What's the most important for the club's future that's so for your champions league and he said well for the project and for the future It's well, you're up. He said and but for the fans I understand it's a trophy and not being a laugh 22 years I've been going to goodison over a decade Consistently as a season ticket holder and I've never seen ever win at so if you to think that we could leave Goodison without a trophy is heart wrenching me. It's absolutely heartbreaking. So I think it's a bit of both of you to say You know, again, look, it's it's as an effort and fine at the moment I I had decided when we're still in the quarterfinals people saying would you rather top six or win a cup and it's like Win a cup all day top four or win a cup win a cup all day unless we're winning the league I want to win a cup even second. I want to win a cup Um But you then sort of think well for the progression in the club and improving and becoming a champions league Sort of team, you know, we don't want to be moving into bramley more and mid table side losing to fulham at home No disrespect to fulham Um, you know, we want to be able to be consistent and being up in the top top ends of the the table But I suppose also you want to be winning trophies as well I mean for all how good Tottenham stadium is and how brilliant the end of the way and you got to a Champions League final They've still won nothing for a long long time not as long as ever But still for a long long time. So football is about trophies ultimately It's about winning things it's about winning silverware and evidently desperate desperate for that But I also think that We need to build and build and build this squad because ideally we want to go and be going into bramley more As a challenger as a team that everybody looks at and goes watch out for evident this season No, I said this morning on our stream Pundits are saying about evident Yeah, I'm not worried about them. They'll fall off and we're all jumping on a goal Now watch this watch that why is he saying that but it all ends up to be two at the end of the day You know look at recent weeks So yeah, I think it's a bit above but for me. We need that we need the trophy before we leave kudos I need the trophy as an effing fan before we leave kudos Well, you look we're we're about similar age, right? We're early 20s. So It's it's it's so strange here in it's like ever since become a completely different club over time Obviously we listen to our parents and it's like oh We've seen so many trophies with such a massive club But like my glory days with david moys I I really I really miss the david moys days like they'd you know the late the late tens and the early tens They were so nostalgic, but that's because you're seeing it at west. I'm no yeah It's like but our parents look back and think like The david moys there it was rubbish. We were just mid-tail all the time. We had no money. We didn't win anything. It's like Yeah, we were brilliant So it was so good to watch us. We were so stable And even though we were skins But obviously we've not seen as one a trophy and it's it's crazy thinking You know, we're meant to believe that way some sort of big club and obviously we do believe that we know we're a big club with our history, but When you've not seen us win a trophy. It's so disappointing. It's like Yeah, what what why aren't we why aren't we winning trophies then? It's been 25 years out of trophy and we'd meant to be some big club So it's and that's obviously not I'm not saying obviously I know we're a big club But then you look at other fans that obviously people look at us and think Everton or everton you see these people on twitter Morningers all the time saying Why'd revison think there's some sort of big club because we've not won a trophy obviously our generation I haven't seen us win a trophy We look at us as you know, the david moe's team and the mid table team So yeah that trophy for me was so much more important But obviously he said before about getting your who gonna get europe and then move into the stadium Then it needs to be backed up by europe europe every season and getting the champions league and sustain it Like tottenham have done over the past three years. So Well, that's it I mean everton could finish in the europe league this season could finish in a european competition But it wouldn't make us a consistent european challenger It just mean that we ended up finishing in a european position in a bad league in a in a bad season for a lot of teams And we'd taken advantage of that Wouldn't mean that right we're finished in the europe league now Which means we are a european challenger every year because we could go and finish 11th again next season We have to get that consistency Um and that consistency as part of the future then something that's desperately desperately needed And that's what we had with david moey's and that's why we enjoyed those times so much because we hadn't seen league titles We haven't seen exactly We've only seen everton being consistently decent and at the moment i take everton being consistently decent because we're consistently bad at the minute Yeah, exactly Finish off then. What's your what's your score predictions for friday? Um, yeah, look i'm not i'm not excited for it I hope to be about four points down before kickoff to be honest with you, but i'll never predict everton's allure So i'm gonna go with two or two or goal score and draw. Yeah, but yeah, i'm really not confident. What about yourself? Yeah, i'm i'm not feeling too Confident i don't want to be too optimistic. I said before just wherever we get to the first goal So i'm just gonna go for everton 1-0, but yeah, and maybe so we saw a Was a nine-goal thriller last game against toppenham, but i can't see that happening again So i want to go 1-0 everton hopefully off a set piece or something, but I said before isn't it? It's it's we're so predictably unpredictable that we'll probably go home in these two next big game I'll have to say next two big games arson on toppenham. I think they both rubbish They're both crap, but you know the big teams anyway, but we're probably gonna beat them Well, yeah, there you go. Thanks for listening to the tovetv podcast Cameron. Thanks again for joining me Go and check out Cameron's channel the mighty blues on youtube. It's brilliant. I know. Yeah. Thanks for watching. See you later