 When Madsen came in, Papi, you referenced him. Madsen came in yesterday in a big spot, struck out Martinez with fast balls. Madsen came in when he came in, you hated it. Oh, yeah. Why? They're going to the world too many times. He was dumb in the Milwaukee series. They pissed him last night. He brought it right back again tonight. Use some of your other arms. Dylan Fournier would have been great right there. He's rested, he throws a ball hard, great curveball. You got to keep showing different looks. You cannot continue to go to the same guy over, over, over. They have options in that bullpen. They got to use them. Also, you have Rio, who perhaps tried to put Benetindio away, couldn't, to him, two or three very good breaking balls on 3-2. He finally walked them. Maybe he gets out of Steve Pierce. He's handled them during the night. Trust your eyes, let him get through. You would have let him stay in. Why not? I think he pitched around Benetindio and let him pitch. He's handled them well. Why not one more time? Would you have let him stay in? Would you have let Rio stay in the game, Papi? We were dominating. He was pitching really well. He was using both sides of the plate. He was, he was using his breaking ball real well. So why not? I would have done my job right now. He has 69 pitches. 69 pitches. Yeah, he don't have that many pitches. He was pitching well tonight. Hey, guys, if he doesn't get them out, you're not going to win anyways. Bottom line is this, and I said it against Milwaukee. If you starter, can't get you five or six innings, you're not winning anyways. So you might as well roll the dice and try to get it closer to Kenley Jensen. Well, I think this is a valid point because the Dodgers were the number one starter ERA in the league. They've gotten two starts that just aren't going to cut it, right? I mean, this is supposed to be their strength. And not only are they not getting enough, but the length, not even given a chance. What was it, 61 pitches? 69 pitches for you. That is, they've got to have that. Kenley is, is two to one in the top of the fifth, in the top of the fifth, bottom of the fifth inning. If you think about Fernandomania, you think about Hersheiser, that you've got to let these pitchers get in and out of trouble. They're big boys. They are in the World Series. And to me, they use the bullpen as a crutch. Too quick. Scripted baseball does not work in October. You're right. But I had a question for the three of you. You have two, you have the Red Sox watching lefties back to back nine. Will you throw another leftie against them? No. Thank you. Yeah. I'm done with my case. Declared it. I'm telling you. There it is. Hey, the bottom line is eight and two thirds innings combined from the two starts from Kershaw and Ryu. They've allowed nine runs. Can't win that way. Well, exactly. Cannot win. And to your point, push it to get that extra. It's not going to happen right now. We were talking about that fifth inning. Andrew Bennett, 10, he's such a tough out. Four hits last night. He drew that walk that got him going and he is now with our Tom Perducci.