 I'd say we can eat fish, so there's nothing wrong with eating fish. No God did not say anything like that. In your eyes, in your view through the Bible, right in your worldview, I can go and cut the head off a dog right now and eat him because I'm allowed to. No God did not say anything like that. Some of his disciples were fishermen. Yep, okay, who? Some of Christ's disciples were fishermen. What did God say about eating fish? God, you mean Jesus? Yep, we're allowed to eat fish. Jesus isn't God? Yes, He is. The son of God. Jesus says He is the son of God and His God. He says in John 1 that He's the creator of all things, so Jesus is God. Jesus is actually God? Yes, that's what the Bible says. And what do you think Jesus thinks about animal cruelty? What do you think Jesus thinks about animal cruelty? Jesus created all things and He said we can eat fish. Fish eat fish. Jesus said you can eat fish. In what, where did He say that? In the Bible. In fact, ever since Noah's flood we're allowed to eat animals. Prior to that we couldn't. Well, okay, okay, let's talk about prior to that. The Garden of Eden, what were they eating? So they were planting Garden of Eden and then... And then they sinned? Sin came. Yep, okay. So for sin, basically it was a vegan Garden of Eden. And as a consequence of sin, death came into the world, okay? That's where death came from. That's where all the cruelty came from, if you like, where all the death came from was because of man's sin. Okay. That's why death came. Did Jesus tell you you couldn't be vegan? He said we can eat fish, we can eat animals. So what's the problem? I don't remember him saying can eat fish. I think he turned something into fish or created fish. Well, he actually fed 5,000 people with fish. He didn't fish for that fish, didn't he just create it out of the air? No, his disciples were fishermen, some of them. So they had five loaves to fish. Okay. And they fed 5,000 with that fish. Five loaves and two fish. And you believe that they fed 5,000 people with two fish? That was done by us. And this is your argument that Jesus... No, my argument is that God created everything. To feel pain. God knows everything. God said we can eat fish, therefore it's fine to eat fish. You don't know everything, and I don't know everything. God knows everything. And because you and I don't know everything, and God does know everything, we're better off going with what God says. And that is that... God never told me anything about eating fish, alright? I don't care about the Bible. Who wrote the Bible? Well, the Holy Spirit is the... Who wrote the Bible? The Holy Spirit. No, no. The Holy Spirit. You don't know whether or not I believe in God, okay? I might not believe in the human beings that wrote the Bible. If you believed in God, you would know that your argument is false because God knows everything and you don't. And therefore... And God created everything and you didn't. So he said... Did God create the Bible? The Holy Spirit is... Which Bible are you talking about? I'll explain. Which Bible are you talking about? The New Testament. If you allow me to answer your question without interrupting me, I'll be able to answer that and explain it to you. So the Bible says that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Not three gods. One God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It's called the Trinity. The Holy Spirit, the Bible says the Holy Spirit moved men to write the words of the Bible. I move men by my words. So men read the Bible then? So therefore the Bible was written by about 40 authors or so. So men? Humans read the Bible so... No, but the author of the Bible, as the Bible says, the Bible itself says the author of the Bible, in other words, is the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit moved those men to write the words. Now, the reason we know that's true is because the Bible prophecy is 100% accurate. Man's prophecy, coming up with his own ideas, is not anything like that. So it must be from God. So we know the Bible must be from God because the prophecy is spot on. That's why. Now, if God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, God created everything including you and me and God knows everything and you and I don't, that means God knows best. And he said we can eat fish. God never told me we can eat fish. You read it out of a book, okay? So I want to tell you why I think God wouldn't want us to eat the animals on his earth, okay? If you do that, you're going against what the Bible says, which is God's word. When we feel pain and suffering, yeah? Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing? The reason for the pain and suffering is because of sin. Sin, okay? Man's sin, that's why death was brought in as a punishment for that sin. This is why we all die. This is why we all suffer. This is why we all have pain. Do you think it's okay for me to cause pain and suffering to a human being right now? Just without justification. Oh, without justification? No. Because you can't do that because humans are made in the image of God and fish are not. So humans are made in God's image. I'm not going to fish yet. I just want to know if it's okay to do it to a human right now without justification. We're not allowed to do that because we are made in God's image and God said that you can't do that. There are 10 commandments. God said we can't torture humans for no reason. Of course you can't. You can't kill them. You can't murder them. That's one of the 10 commandments. Now, can I torture a cow? A cow is not a human and it's not made in the image of God. Can I torture a cow? They used to sacrifice cows in the Old Testament. No, that's not what I asked you. Can I torture a cow without justification? That's what I want to know. You mean like the way Muslims kill cows? No, no, no. I didn't mention Muslims. In a vacuum right now, can I torture a cow in Europe? Did God tell you I can't torture a cow? He doesn't say torture but you are allowed to do that. I just want to... No, no, no. I just want to know. But the Bible doesn't say torture. I'm not talking about that. I'm asking you, me and you right now, is it okay if I torture a cow without justification? No. Why would you do it? Did God say I can't? Look, he said you can't do that. See how you're going from your conscience to God and back? Did God say I can't torture a cow? No, he didn't. So therefore I can. Okay, you can if you like. No, no, okay. So it's fine in your world view because God didn't say it for me to torture a cow. See how you're going from your conscience, your own morality, and God, you're confused. I'm not confused. I'll stick with what you're saying. So because the Bible doesn't say not to torture a cow, yes, go ahead and torture one. There will be no penalty for it. That's true. So would you have a moral issue right now that you could say you wouldn't? That's fine. Would you have a moral issue with me torturing a cow right now without justification? In front of you? And I mean burning them with a hot iron in the eyeballs, cutting their ears off, really torturing them in front of you and they're begging me to stop. Would you have a problem with that? Okay, put it this way. If you did such a thing, the reason I would say that was an awful thing to do is because I have a moral basis. Where's my moral basis for saying that's bad? That's coming from the Bible. My moral basis is coming because God created me. There's a creator. The person who doesn't believe in the God has no moral basis to say that's... He has no moral basis to say that that is right or wrong or good or bad or hot or cold or anything else. So the only reason that I can say it's bad is because of my moral basis. But a person without a moral basis because they believe in evolution, for example, that there's no God has no moral reason to say anything's good or bad. So he's got no argument to say that torturing a cow is bad or good. So I can say it's bad because I've got that moral basis. That's why. But the guys who are atheist, let's say, have no moral basis to say anything's good or bad. None. What I think, right, what I believe is that when you see someone torturing an animal, even though they're not making God's image like you say, that when you feel that that's wrong in your heart, that that's God telling you that it's wrong. Because if God created us, okay, and we all have a conscience, if you see an animal suffering, all right, and take that book away and give you what God gave you, which is your conscience, all right? Because everyone looks to this book. You're created by God. Do you believe that, all right? Yes. Now, I'm not going to tell you that's false. But when you see me torture an animal and you get that feeling in your heart like that's wrong, that's God speaking to you. Sure. Okay. Now, if I were to torture a chicken to death, now, in fact, I don't know if you know much. I'm an animal rights activist now for nearly eight years. Factory farming is horrible. Across the board, slaughterhouses where happy animals go to get slaughtered are horrible, stunning vault, stunning, blood on the floor, guts everywhere. And when I see that, and maybe you too, if I took you in there and you can watch these animals try to escape the knockbox when they get let in, your conscience will tell you, this is a murder factory. Do you think there are slaughterhouses in heaven? It's not a murder factory because it's not murdering humans. If it was murdering humans. A slaughter factory. Okay. I think it's murder. It is slaughtering. Yeah, it's slaughtering factory. Okay. So death will stay with us until the second coming, until Christ's return. In fact, even after that, when Christ returns, there's a period called the millennium, a thousand years of peace on earth. After that, the earth's finished. From then on, there is no more death. Death gets swallowed up in victory. In the end, there's no death. But until that happens, until God's judgment falls, there will be continuing death. Now death is a bad thing. It's an enemy. The Bible describes death as an enemy. It's something that's wrong. It's because the creation has been corrupted, perverted. It's wrong. It's because of sin. When sin is finally dealt with and judged by God at the end, that's when death swallowed up and there will be no more death, including animals. But right now, right now, you still wouldn't go and torture animals, right? Even though you believe this prophecy? Right now. Like, you've got a choice right now to boycott, to stop your contribution to the torture and murder of animals. Torture one, and using the word torture as a... Well, they are tortured. They are tortured a lot. I would shoot one and eat it. Absolutely. Even if you didn't need to. And I would... Even if you didn't need to. Like, not if you... I would shoot an animal, too. I would shoot if I had to. I would shoot someone who was trying to kill my family if I had to. But I'm talking about you don't need to. Would you still do it? I think I would, because I know I'm allowed to. So, for example, I would catch a fish and I would eat it. No problem. I would have the... Because I've got God's permission to do that. You wouldn't torture a cow, though, even though you're technically allowed to. No. If you're using the word torture versus kill, I'm just saying you're allowed to... I'm technically allowed to torture a cow. Because he didn't... Because he didn't... There's no grey writing on those white pages that said I shouldn't. I would suggest that if you tortured one, rather than kill one to eat one, or kill one to sacrifice... What would you think about me? Do you think it's a bit needless? Do you think it's needless? One question at a time. I haven't even answered your question. Did you answer another one? And you bombarded with another one. You're not being direct with the answer. You're bouncing around them. I'm giving you the basis for the answer so I can try and put it together for you. No. Okay, that's why. So, you've used the word torture and I understand that. You said the torture of a cow and it's trying to get away and that's different from... Trying to find out your morality. That's why. That's different from me, let's say, killing a cow to eat it and cook it, which we know in the Bible we're allowed to do. So, we won't be allowed to do that once the Lord returns. That is true. Why are you waiting to the Lord returns to be ethical? I'm not because it's ethical. Why don't you live now like they did in the Garden of Eden? Because I can't because of sin. I'm born sin, and you're born sin. You're saying you don't have choice right now to do whatever you want. You don't have free will? We have choice. Wait, what do you mean you can't not eat animals? You can't not kill animals? I don't... not want to do that. I'm happy to eat animals because I'm... You have a desire to kill the animals. I'm happy to eat them because I'm allowed to because God's given me that permission. I'm happy to torture animals because I'm allowed to because God technically hasn't said I can't. So, now you're saying the word torture again. I'm talking about the actual act of torturing an animal. So, if I were... which is different from the animal to eat it? Will you pay for your meat at the butcher? Yes. Have you... do you eat pigs? Yes. Okay, they get tortured in gas chambers. That's how they kill them. Well, not necessarily. Okay, 100%. Most of the animal... most of the pigs here are killed in gas chambers. The pigs that I... that my brother raises them in his own farm, he actually... You don't eat bacon anywhere else so you don't go to restaurant and eat bacon? They're gas chamber tortured pigs. Okay. So, not all pigs but his pigs go to the gas chamber. Where does he take them to? The abattoir? No, he does it on his farm. Yeah. So, he shoots them in the skull? No, it doesn't shoot them. And what about the chickens that you eat? Do you go out and you get a chicken sandwich or whatever ham sandwich? Okay, they're tortured factory farmed animals. But when I kill chickens, I kill them by cutting their heads off. Okay, so I do it that way. And then I'll take the feathers off. I think that that's evil. Well, God doesn't. You do. You think something. So, the Bible says that man... You think me torturing that was evil. The way you looked at me was like, that's wrong. And I'm like, why would it be wrong? God tells you everything, doesn't he? Not your conscience. You're using the word torture instead of... Which is... And you're trying to marry that into the word kill. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. When you pay for animal products from the store, you're 100% paying for torture. I've been an animal rights activist for long enough. Right? It's like me trying to tell you about the Bible. You're an expert on the Bible. I'm an expert on animal rights. I know what happens in farms and abattoirs. You're 100% paying for torture when you get a ham sandwich. You and I are going to face God on judgement day one day. That's the situation. Yeah. We're going to go by God's laws, not ours. Not even yours. Not the animal activist laws. It's going to be by God's laws. Not ours. So, he's going to say... He's going to ask for a justification for everything you thought, said and did. Yeah. Okay? And when you can't answer according to his laws, you're the one who's guilty, same as I will be. That's the problem. You know what I'll say? To God? I'll say I did my best to bring to those who couldn't speak up for themselves. And he'll say, you were allowed to eat animals. He will say that. So, you had something over and above what I said. That's what he's going to say. You're not going to be able to get by that. Okay? Now, it's one thing to be cruel to an animal, but it's another thing to kill animals for food. That's totally different. You don't need to. It's needless. In the Old Testament. Do you agree that eating animals is needless? I don't agree. Do you need to eat animals to survive right now? Pretty much. And I'll tell you why. We're all decaying over time. We're getting worse and worse with time. Adam and Eve were perfect genetically ever since- They were in the vegan. That's why they were in the vegan world. Wasn't that? It's because they're- God in the vegan. No. It's not that. You're interrupting all the time. Sorry. They were created perfect. That means they're genetics. Their DNA was also perfect. That means they had no genetic decay. Genetic decay has gone on ever since. So, every generation gets more and more genetically messed up. Oh, really? You think it's- Really? What are you saying? So, from Adam and Eve- Genetically, we're getting better? Well, have we ever stopped eating animals? Okay, here we go. Genetically, we are decaying with time. That's proven. There's nothing you can do about that. Okay. Okay, that's called entropy or second law of thermodynamics and DNA causes everything- I don't have all night with you here. Yeah. What has eating tortured animal bodies got to do with genetic decay? In the Old Testament, after- So, you're talking about science and then you're bringing in the Testament. So, what are you, a scientist? I thought science was evil. Are you-are you religious? Am I allowed to answer any questions without being interrupted? But you're going from science. I am a scientist. Are you a scientist who's- Am I allowed to be both? You-you could. You can, but they contradict detail that science and Christianity- Oh, is that right? Evolution and Christianity. Evolution does, but evolution, my friend, unfortunately, does not stack up with the science. Evolution says everything made itself by pure accident, by pure fluke, that there was no designer. If evolution's true and there is no designer, there's no God, that means there's no moral basis, which means everything you do is-you don't know if it's right or wrong. It means your brain- I do, because I've got a conscience. And God-God. All right. God gave me my conscience, yeah? And when I see an animal get their head cut off, I say, wow, that's wrong. Maybe God doesn't want me to do it. If you have a conscience- But you think cutting a chicken's head off is fine. If you have a conscience, therefore you said that there's a God who created you. That means you must say that evolution is not true. I never said anything. You're using science to prove genetic decay, and then you're going to the Old Testament, which justifies slavery in it. So it's a really old, outdated book. But I'm just saying you're contradicting yourself using science and God. It's either one or the other. No, it isn't. It isn't. This is where you fall into a trap. You're thinking that evolution is science. It isn't. Evolution is the science of one religion called atheism, and creation is the science of another religion called Christianity. They're completely- Can I ask you one thing about God? Why did God create animals so that they feel pain, they feel fear when they're about to be killed, and they don't want to die, but also put him here as our food? When he also put plant foods here that don't feel pain and suffer and don't want to die and bleed blood red. You want to know the answer without interrupting me? Go on, man. Okay. In the beginning, God created the world perfectly. Animals were here. Everything was perfect. There was no death. Okay. Adam and Eve sinned. That's when death entered the world, including the destruction of all creation, animals. They suffered too. Even though they didn't even do anything wrong, including things like the stars blown up and disintegrating and messing up, and everything degenerating, including DNA, like I described. Everything goes downhill ever since Adam and Eve sinned. So now you can murder animals and now we can torture animals. So what God created and what it is today is very different. God created the perfect world. So wait a second. Why don't we go back to the way God created it and just all be vegan, eat plants and leave the f***ing animals alone? I don't care about you right now. You can make a choice right now to go back to the way I do. I do every single day. You can make the choice to obey God. I do every single day. You can make the choice to obey God. I obey my conscience. I obey my conscience and I do what is right. Let's say the same to you. You can make the choice to follow Christ just like that now. You can do that. I'll follow my conscience and that. My conscience tells me don't cut off little birds' heads. They can't defend themselves. That's bully behaviour. And you're still going to face God on judgment day, which is far more important and I feel more comfortable facing God saying hey, you know what? I didn't contribute to the animal holocaust while I was here. I tried my best to end it and I tried my best to talk to your messengers and tell them to stop cutting off animals' heads. And he will say all the sins you've ever done still must be paid for and you can't pay for it. I've committed a lot of sins. Trust me. Probably more than you maybe. And I have too. The problem we have more so than just worrying about animals. The problem we have is we're going to face judgment day and the only way out of paying for our sins, which is held forever, is Christ. That's the only way out of it. Without Christ, we're screwed. We can't pay for our own sins. All of us are sinners. We're all in the same boat. We're all shagged. That's why we can't go back to Eden. So because we're all sinners, it doesn't matter what we do from this point on with, I could literally go out and mass-shoot everyone here. I could kill all the torture all the animals I want. I could do all that right now. It's fine. But until I follow Christ I'm still going to be a sinner no matter what I do. Because we're all sinners, we can't go back to Eden. You said, why can't we go back to Eden? And that's the reason. We're talking about your personal life. You don't have to. All of us are in the same boat. We're all sinners and that's why we can't go back to Eden. No way. Now whatever we do will be judged by God. You want to go and shoot everybody like you just said, like you just described, that's going to end up. We're already a sinner. So what's the point? Correct. You're doing torture whatever I want. Don't worry about my conscience and my own morality. I prefer to use my conscience and go away. That's wrong. That animal is terrified. I don't want to kill them. You know, this guy here, you know, I don't want to hurt him or see someone hurt him. I'm going to protect him. You know, that's how I live my life here from my heart. The Bible says that without Christ, man will do what's right in his own eyes. What you're doing is what's right in your own eyes but it's not what's right in God's eyes. This is why the whole creation has decayed. Even animals kill animals. Fish eat fish. They're nasty. Nature read in tooth and claw. It's bad. It wasn't just... I don't act like they do. I don't act like that. I don't want to do this. I try not to act like they do. But they are. And what we're saying here is that we're looking at a fallen world, a fallen creation, a corrupted creation. The creation was perfect in the beginning. Man's sin, that's why it's corrupt. That's why you can't go back to eating. But you're saying you don't have any personal responsibility for what you do now? I have personal responsibility for anything. If everything's fallen, oh my God, everyone's eating each other and killing each other. You make ethical choices, yeah? I'll see if I can answer it because you interact with me again. I have the personal responsibility for the sins that I commit personally. Absolutely. Okay. And I have to face God judgment on that. Absolutely. Why will I go to heaven? Not because I'm a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm a sinner, just like everyone else. The only reason I'll go to heaven is because of Christ. That's the only reason. He's paid for it. Has Christ paid for your sins? Go to him in prayer and seek him with all your heart, mind and strength like you do with this and seek him with everything. Christ is returning very soon. There's not much time to go. And the only way to actually get out of this mess and into eternity with heaven, without cruelty to animals, without death at all, is Christ and Christ alone. Other than that, there is no chance, none. Man is way too wicked to get this sorted. It's never going to happen. Can I offer you a Bible? No, I won't read it. I don't read books written by men. I read the book written my heart. And if you believe God created me, I'm following my conscience given that it's wiser than any book you can hand me. You know how many times that book's been adulterated by human beings? None. None? It's perfect. It's perfect. I've got lots of different English versions, I should say. 20-something versions. We're 20-21. When was the first Bible written? When was the first written? When you look at... Through the hands of how many human beings has it been? At the Dead Sea Scrolls, when they were dragged out, that was shortly after Jesus' time. About 2,000 years old? Yeah. And comparing the Dead Sea Scrolls with the Scriptures today is the same. So it hasn't been corrupted. The New Testament is the same as the Dead Sea Scrolls? The Dead Sea Scrolls is Old Testament, right? That's Old Testament. That's Isaiah, for example, the prophet Isaiah. So when you look at it, that's the same. It hasn't been changed. I won't read a Bible. Too many humans have touched it. It's not corrupted. It's not corrupted. No. I don't trust it. I don't trust it. I mean, I'll listen to you and what you have to tell me from your heart. I won't read a book. It's been written by man. All right? If God wants to speak to me, then he can come and speak to me. At least look at the prophecies because they're 100% accurate. Now man can't get prophecies 100%. If it's written by a man's hand, I don't want to read it. I can't trust men. Can't trust humans. There's a lot of scumbag humans who want bad for the world and bad for the animals. All right? So it's hard for me to trust people. Like people like yourself, you come across like a nice guy and then you're telling me you're cutting animals' heads off. You know what I mean? So then I come up, why would you do that? The Old Testament actually, the Bible says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins that's why they sacrificed animals in the Old Testament. We don't have to do that in the New Testament times. That is true. You don't have to do that right now. No, because Christ died. You could sacrifice your time, sacrifice heaps of things and money. The sacrificing of animals was to pay for sin, which we don't have to do now because Christ died for sinners and therefore that shed has fallen. Why are you doing it? And therefore that shed has fallen. You don't have to do it. I'm not eating animals for sin. I'm eating animals. Because you're allowed to. Yes. Because the Bible says you're allowed to. The Bible says I'm allowed to torture a cow too. It does not. Well, it didn't explicitly say I can't. It didn't explicitly say I can't. It doesn't explicitly say you can't paint your face green either. I mean, come on. So there you go. Well, it's not a sin. So I might as well do it. Paint your face green. So you actually got to listen to this as well. You're not just a book. You actually got to listen to this. I do listen to this. Yeah. But man will do what is right in his own eyes if he doesn't know who the Lord is. It's not eyes. It's here. This isn't my eyes. If you don't know God, if you don't know Christ, then this is why the scripture say that... How do you know I don't know Christ? Who's Christ? How do you know? How do you know I don't know? It's really easy to tell that. So anyway, we'd focus them against killing animals. If you became a born-again Christian, then you would know what I'm saying. You wouldn't speak the way you speak about that. You would have this fear and reverence for Christ. You wouldn't be this nonchalant attitude to the Bible, for example. That wouldn't be there. Well, yeah. Now I don't trust books written by men. 100%. I understand that. I mean... That's how I know you're not a Christian. Because there's trickery everywhere. There is trickery everywhere. There is, but Christ said I'm the way, the truth, and the life. He said he's the truth. Christ is the truth. Christ can come and show me, not a book from you. Okay. Well, pray for that. So pray for that. Pray that Christ... I would rather Christ show me. Wouldn't you rather Christ come and show you instead of reading a book written by men? Well, Christ did. And so I know him personally. Okay, well, there you go. You'd trust that over that. So can I leave that with you to pray to Christ and ask him to show himself to you? No. Can I at least ask him to do that? Yeah, I'll do that. No worries. Can I ask you not to cut off innocent animals' heads or pay for them to be in gas chambers so you can have a sandwich? I will obey Christ. Okay. Here you go. I will obey Christ. Fish fill pain is a little bit of... God made fish to fill pain. All animals have designed to fill pain. That's true. So we shouldn't cause it to them. And I explained why. And this is why fish fill pain when fish eat fish. Animals read in Tooth and Cloy as I explained. This is a fallen creation. This is why animals are nasty to animals. That's why when you look at animals attacking other animals, it's not nice. It's not how it was designed. Humans attacking other humans as well. Absolutely. I just don't participate in it when I see something I don't like. And abortion is right on the top of the list. So all of that is an abomination to God. Absolutely. But death will get swallowed up in the end. Until that day, death is still going to occur. And nature is still going to be a corrupted creation. It's still going to be a mess. There is death that's out of my control. And if there is death that's in my control, I'll try not to cause it. Your own death is actually outside of your control. And that's the end of our chance to find Christ. So please seek Him while you still can, while you're still alive. You and I don't know if we're dead tomorrow. What would it do for you if I found Christ? What would it do for you? What would it do for me? What does it do for you? I would rejoice. But what does it do for you? What do you get out of it? Nothing. You don't get anything out of it? No. So I would rejoice over that. Because it means one less person going to Satan. That's what it means. So that's good news. Why do you care about me? Because I hate Satan. We're told to love people. We're told to love our enemies even. Why don't you love the animals? But I do love the animals. You love your enemies. Like if I attacked and killed your wife, you're taught to love me. The animals didn't do nothing wrong to you, but you cut their heads off. Why? Because I'm allowed to eat animals. I've already explained that. Okay. But I'm not allowed to cut my boss' head off. Okay, that's fine. So you'll listen to the book no matter what, even if, yeah. You'll love me if I'm your enemy, because I'm a human being, but you hate the animals. No, I don't hate them. I'm not allowed enough to cut their heads off. You're using words I never said. I would only cut their head off someone I really hated. That's what you would do, because that's right in your own eyes. But I never said I hated animals. I actually like animals. You said I hated animals. You like animals enough to cut their head off. I'm allowed to eat fish. I'm allowed to eat chickens. I'm allowed to eat meat. Are you allowed to eat dogs? The Bible doesn't say you're allowed to eat dogs. It doesn't say anything about eating dogs. Okay, so I can go and cut that. There's a dog walking around here somewhere. In your eyes, in your view through the Bible, in your worldview, I can go and cut the head off a dog right now and eat him because I'm allowed to. Would you have a problem with that? Honestly? Look me in the eyes, don't lie. Would you have a problem with me cutting a dog's head off and eating him? Can I answer a question without you interrupting all the time? I'd like you to directly answer me and stop pussy-footing around the subject. Just say yes or no. I'm trying to build the answer for you. Okay. So you're looking for a yes or no, and I'm trying to build the answer for you. I call it like, pussy-footing around the issue. It's either yes or no. But I'm trying to give you the whole foundation behind it all. So I don't see anything in the Bible that says you can kill a dog, but I don't believe it's correct to kill a dog unless you were desperately hungry and you had to eat something. You're not desperately hungry. You kill chickens. Yes. You're not desperately hungry. So why can't I kill the dog? I'm interrupting you because I want to get the answer from you because you're avoiding it because I know you don't want to tell me it's okay to kill a dog because you've got morals and you've got the Bible. The Bible doesn't say it's wrong to kill a dog. So I can kill dogs now in your worldview. Okay, no worries. So you're happy for me to abuse and kill dogs even though I don't need to? Now you're going to say that we're torture and all that. But if you needed to eat a dog, if I want to kill a dog, I can torture him first if I want to. If you wanted to eat a dog because you were hungry, or let's say... I'd put animals here for me to eat, so I'm going to cut the head off for whatever dog I want to. Even if someone has that dog there, I won't hurt the human. It depends if it's your dog. If it belongs to somebody else... I don't care if it belongs to someone else. God said I can eat the animals. People are breaking the commandment saying, don't steal. And that means you're stealing somebody else's dog and killing it instead of owning the dog first. Dogs can't be owned. They're sentient beings. They can't be owned. Animals can be owned. They're going to be enslaved animals. And the Bible says that you do own animals, like your own sheep or your own cattle. That's Old Testament stuff. So it's more of a sin for me to steal someone else's dog. So it's okay if they're a stray dog or whatever. Or I just breed the dogs in my backyard. That's fine. Well, if you steal somebody's dog and kill it... If they're my dog, I can kill them and eat them? Yeah, you could. No worries. I wouldn't do it myself, but you could. Why wouldn't you do it? I wouldn't want to. Are you extreme vegan? No. I think vegan is very... Okay. So I'm going to have a factory farm of dogs. Right? Well, they were vegan in the Garden of Eden. So be careful what you say. That's a sin. They were vegan in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were vegan before they sinned. But I explained to you why we cannot go back to it. No, but you just said vegan's weird. That's where God created the perfect people as vegan. Vegan says you can't have milk, right? God created the perfect people as vegan. I'm not convinced of that. I'll explain why. Now, vegan is including milk. Is that right? Not from a cow. Can you have milk? We don't drink milk from cows. No. Vegans can't have milk. Is that correct? It's not that we can't. We can do whatever we want, but we choose not to. Whereas they would have had milk. Adam and Eve? Yeah. They had cows. And they only had fruits, pulses, grains. Thanks, guys. I was waiting to chat while you were just watching. Thank you. I appreciate that. They had animals as well. But they didn't have milk. They didn't eat milk. They only ate fruits and grains and herbs and things like that. No, they had animals because Abel had animals. And pain didn't. Pain offered a sacrifice of plants. And that was not acceptable to God. Whereas Abel offered a sacrifice of animals. So they had animals. Sacrifice is killed an animal for God to please God. So that means they had animals. And the reason for the shedding of blood, that's for the remission of sin. The Bible says that sin without the shedding of blood. And that's why there was no source of blood. And until Christ came and his blood is now shed, therefore we don't have to shed the blood of an animal for sacrifice. But you still do. I don't sacrifice them. I eat them. Yeah, you cut their heads off and eat their bodies. For a needless thing. But I don't sacrifice them. I don't need them as a sacrifice. Yeah, you just kill them for your own enjoyment, basically. For my own food. Your own enjoyment. For food. Yeah, because you eat plant foods, don't you? So you know you can eat plant foods. Yeah, so you basically eat meat because you enjoy it. It's a preference of yours. Yeah, so you cut animals' heads off for your own enjoyment. I don't care what lions do. They're in a survival situation. They have no choice. They have no choice. Lions don't have a choice to eat a vegan burger right now. You do. What choice do lions have in what they eat? I'm looking away. Oh, I'd love to hear this one. No, I mean wild lions, bro. I'm not talking about captive lions who have a refrigerator. No, no, no, you're not. Wild lions. What choice do they have in what they eat? Yeah, because I don't want you to tell me a whole story. It's a very quick, quick answer. Well, if you don't want me to answer it, I won't. No. They don't have a choice. That's the answer. No, I did. They have antelope or antelope. But you have a choice of plant foods or cutting animals' heads off. Yeah. But you still choose to cut the animals' heads off because you're allowed to. Because God said it's OK. But I can also cut off a dog's head because God said I'm allowed to. So when I see a dog or that seagull there, I can cut the seagull's head off in your world view, and that's totally fine if I prefer seagull sandwich. And I think that that's immoral and my conscience says it's wrong. What do you do? Yeah. What about the killing of unborn babies? I don't kill unborn babies, but... I think that's a far greater problem. We kill 45 million babies every year. What's that got to do with eating animals? Well, babies are worth far more than animals. But what has that got to do with the topic of cutting animals' heads off to eat them? Well, I'm wondering what your concern might be about it. Yeah, but why would that change the fact that I think eating animals is immoral? Because there's so much more immoral than animal killing. What did you say? Bless you, my friend. So here we are. Come to the end of the coastal sea spiracy sea animal rights campaign we've been doing across Australia. And here we are at the front of the surface paradise sign. I believe it went pretty good. We've got some good stuff. I hope you guys enjoyed it. And I'm pretty tired, so I've got to head back and try to get this stuff up. But yes, check out sea spiracy and we'll leave all the pamphlets, you know, all the links to the pamphlets down below. You know, please stop abusing sea animals. Please stop abusing the animals. Be vegan and just help us out. Try to change things. Let's do it. Asian grosses are like the secret to getting the best mock meat if you can find it. We're going to take this and whip it up on the beach. Joey cooking style. Look at that!