 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you, including Michelle Sergio, Kirk Stephenson, Miss Music Teacher, and everybody welcome our brand new patron, Karen. Hey, Karen. On this episode of DTNS, the Apple Vision Pro went up for sale. Any takers? Plus, Gavin Purcell from AI for Humans tells us how they made an AI co-host. Uh-oh. They're coming for us soon. Not yet. Don't worry. Stop back there. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, January 19th, 2024 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm drawing the top tech stories. In Snowy Cleveland, I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us co-founder, AI for Humans, and former showrunner for The Tonight Show and G4TV's attack of the show, Gavin Purcell. Welcome. Thank you so much for having me here. This is like a really fun thing. I told Tom before he jumped on. I used to listen to Tom and Molly's podcast way back when, and obviously Sarah and I used to work together at attack of the show. And it's been really fun to reconnect with her as well, too. Yeah, absolutely. This is a pleasure. And I love that you. I love and fear that you have an AI co-host to talk about today. It's a very weird thing. So we do the show once a week, and every week we create a new one. And part of it is trying to show people like what you can do with this stuff. The other part of it is we want to show how broken a lot of it is. So we'll get into that when we talk about it. Excellent. Excellent. All right. We're going to talk about that a little later in the show. Let's start with the quick hits. The Rabbit R1, a handheld personal assistant device shown off at CES, announced that its large language model will be powered by a San Francisco startup called Perplexity. There's no cost for using it on the device or to power search results. But the first 100,000 R1 buyers will also get a year of Perplexity Pro that includes more than 300 complex queries and advanced file upload support. Rabbit R1 ships in March or April, depending on when you pre-ordered for $199. Apple made its proposal to allay the European Union's concerns that its restrictions on using the iPhone's NFC chip might be an antitrust violation. Apple proposes letting developers operating within the European economic area access mobile payment tech and let choosers choose an alternative to Apple Pay as a default payment option on the iPhone. Just in Europe, they're going to do that. Apple committed to keeping those options for at least 10 years. The commission is now seeking feedback from the community on Apple's proposal. SLIM is on the moon, or slim, as the kids call it. Japan's large lander for investigating moon, which is also known as the Moon Sniper, reached the lunar surface on early Saturday. That was Japan time. The space agency JAXA, G-J-A-X-A, said it was transmitting data, but the solar panels were not generating power, possibly because of an unfortunate orientation. The agency will gather as much data as it can while the existing battery is still in operation. Japan becomes the fifth country to land a device on the moon after the US, the Soviet Union, China, and India. Wall Street Journal sources say competition officials from the European Commission intend to block Amazon's bid to purchase Roomba Maker iRobot. Thursday, the representatives from Amazon were in a meeting to discuss the deal. A deal rejection would still need formal approval from the commission's 27 top political leaders before a final decision would be made. That has been apparently given a February 14th deadline, oh, Valentine's Day. In the meantime, Amazon could still walk away from the deal on its own. The European Commission raised competition concerns about the deal back in November. Amazon missed a deadline last week to submit remedies that would address those concerns. So not doing what we said Apple did do earlier. And also making people wonder, is Amazon just gonna walk away? Maybe not, but maybe. Maybe they give up, yeah. Microsoft has a new Windows 11 integration for Android users. So when clicking a Windows system tray alert displayed immediately after taking a snapshot on an Android phone, an image will then open in the Snipping Tool app on your PC to edit or share with somebody. Microsoft is offering this first to Windows insiders in the Canary and Dev channels running Windows 11 Insider preview build, two, three, six, one, nine. Sarah, I'm a little disappointed in us with that Amazon story. When they didn't respond, we should have said all they got was a vacuum. No. It's a rumor. Yeah. No, it's a good one. Good one, Tom. Good one, Tom. It's for IA humor. Okay, all right, let's get into it. All right, I'm loopy because I got up at five in the morning in Pacific time to order an Apple Vision Pro for us to try out. It went up for pre-orders in the U.S. at 8 a.m. Eastern. No reports of problems ordering. DTNS was able to get a device for delivery on February 2nd, first day. Didn't have any hangups or weird things. I did see some folks on Mastodon saying that their delivery dates were mid February that they didn't have a problem ordering it, but they didn't get the February 2nd date. So that implies that demand was at least greater than supply. We also got a lot of details in the ordering process that had not been announced before specifically. Sarah, I know you saw some people frustrated that we didn't know there were multiple storage options ahead of time. 256 gig, 512 gig and a terabyte were the three storage options. An extra what, $300 I think for the terabyte option. Refresh rates were listed now, 90 Hertz, 96 Hertz, 100 Hertz, 24 frames per second and 30 frames per second video playback. And you can also mirror your Vision Pro view to an AirPlay-enabled device so that other people can see what you are seeing. Apple has been promoting this all week as the ultimate entertainment device. We talked earlier this week about all the apps. You can get some 3D content coming to Disney Plus, how Netflix is only going to be available in the browser. And the same is true for YouTube. YouTube mentioned on Thursday that they will also block their iPad app from showing up and only be available to the browser. And Bloomberg says their sources say Spotify is gonna do the same. To be clear, you have to take measures to do that. All iPhone and iPad apps are available in the Vision Pro without alteration, but YouTube, Netflix and apparently Spotify will not let their apps show up on the Vision Pro section of the App Store. So what if anything, do you think this smooth order process we experienced today say about demand? And for that matter, what does success even look like for the Vision Pro? Gavin, did you try to order one? Are you into this? So I am very into it, but I did not try to order one. I wouldn't watch all the videos today. Obviously when it first was announced, I was pretty excited about it. But I told Sarah about this on our part of it a little bit. I have been a big proponent of VR and AR and all that stuff. To me, I do want to kind of wait a little bit for it. The price tag is a lot, right? And my issue with the quests have been is I really love them, but then I put them in a box and I don't see them again for a while. And I kind of might just be waiting for the next iteration. I know for a fact that I'm gonna wear a computer on my face at some point in the future, but I don't know if I'm ready for it yet. And after watching, a lot of the people have said it's heavier than they expected. And that is something that worries me a little bit based on how beautiful it is and how amazing it's made. I think they went, I don't know, this is me talking about it. It's a steel versus a lot of other things are more plastic. So the heaviness might affect people's feelings about it. And obviously a couple of generations down the road, that's great. That said, look, I love what the idea of this is. My big thing with VR was always the number one use of it is let me put a screen on my ceiling and lay back in my bed and watch my 100 inch TV. Like that's fantastic. And that kind of feels like what they're starting with here. Yeah, the whole kind of media first thing is interesting. When I say interesting, it's not because it's not a great idea, it's just because I use VR in such a specific way. I talk about this on the show all the time. I love my exercise apps. That means that sometimes I have to have that thing, and I'm talking about the Quest because that's the only VR headset I've ever had. Three iterations of it though. I have to have that very, very tight on my head because I'm literally jumping around. So the whole kind of weight thing just plays into the fact that I am being physical with the device. The weight being an issue while sitting there being productive and perhaps sitting at your virtual desk space, which might be nicer than the actual physical desk space that you have otherwise. That all remains to be seen. Some people are gonna be like, ah, you get used to it. Other people are gonna be like, ah, I don't know, it's not for me. And I think if you have a, I mean, I'm lucky enough to sit in my physical office right now that's very comfortable. But at my last house, I didn't have one at all. I think that that all plays into a lot of this. And yeah, there were some nitpicky things in the pre-ordering process from a few people being like, okay, we have storage options, but we didn't know about them ahead of time. And everyone's trying to, if you really care, at five a.m. Pacific time on the dot, you're up, you're trying to order because what happens when they sell out and you're sort of like, ah, do I want 256 or one terabyte? Tom, you were like, one terabyte, got it. That was my choice. Default backs. But I do think that's sort of a strange thing to not tell people ahead of time. It is, I agree, yeah. Because it's something they almost always tell you so that you can pre-configure. They didn't do any of that pre-configuring stuff like they do with the iPhone either. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if it affects the weight too. My question is, I mean, I don't know enough about hard drive sizes, but like it could, right? It's flash memory, so it probably doesn't. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. 600 to 650 grams is what they listed as being depending on the light seal and the headband configuration. That's about 1.3 pounds. I would imagine the optical inserts would add more weight. Yeah, that's right. For people who need glasses, is that? Yeah, do you have to get a special version of it because of glasses? So I was ordering it for Sarah and Eileen to do on their new Apple show, which we'll talk about in a second. So it does a face scan when you order it. It says, we wanna set this up for you. So I handed the phone to Eileen and she did the face scan. I'm not sure exactly what that's gonna mean because we're not picking it up in person. We're having it delivered. So I don't know if it gets a different strap based on what it thinks your size is or how it tells the size. But it had to do a little face ID thing. And then it asked you, do you wear contacts and all of that? And I was answering for these two who wear contacts. And so it was like, oh, you don't need optical inserts. If it had been me, I don't wear contacts. Yeah, I probably would need optical inserts. I mean, at the same time, and again, I'm thinking ahead. It's like, okay, what if this was something that I would be wearing for a big chunk of the workday? I do wear contacts. If I don't wear contacts, I can't see anything. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, it's either glasses or contacts. If I was wearing this with inserts, would that somehow benefit me? I don't know, kind of a specific use case. Yeah, it's a good question. We'll all know more about that. From the optical inserts on the contacts, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. The contacts are, you know, put them in and you forget they're there until end of day when you take them out. I can't imagine that anything else would be easier than this, but there are also a lot of people who are like, contacts aren't for me, but I don't wanna wear glasses under my Vision Pro. That's insane. There are inserts for people who wear glasses for other VR headsets, I know that, but Apple is very much pushing that not being your solution, because it's gonna be clunky. I can't wait just to see everybody's goofy eyes through these things, right? That's the thing I'm most excited about is all the shots of people's eyes popping out of the camera. People taking selfies of themselves with the goofy eyes. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, we're only talking about two hours of battery life on this thing too, by the way. So if you're not plugged in, you're not gonna have time for a lot of high strain. Well, that's the thing I think about is standing up and moving around is one of the coolest parts of VR. I remember I got into the new Half-Life. I don't know if you have both of played Half-Life 3, but Half-Life, is it Half-Life 3? It's Half-Alex, right, or whatever it's called, but that experience is incredible, but it's designed to do while sitting down and move around a little bit, but the idea of standing up and moving in a space is one of the coolest things about VR to your point there too, Sarah, about exercise. I, again, just think that this is gonna be really cool. It's a computer on your head, and yes, will it be useful for me to work? The thing that I thought when I saw this demo, I saw all the new demo videos are out today, and they're fascinating, because it's all Apple polished. It's like a person sitting next to them. The shot of when you go into your work environment and you're surrounded by trees, then you turn to the left, and suddenly there's a person there who's in the real world. There's a dystopian thing that starts to creep in a little bit to me, which is like, hey, ignore everything out here because we can create this entirely new experience, and that is coming. Do you know what I mean? That version, whether that's the metaverse for good or for bad, but we are definitely going to get there at some point soon, I feel like. Well, as I mentioned, we just launched a new podcast in the DTNS family called Apple Vision Show today, hosted by Eileen Rivera and Sarah Elaine. Me? Yeah. Did I forget to tell you? No. No, we're all very excited about it. Yeah, so tell the folks what they can expect from this. So Eileen and I got together. This is Vision Pro adjacent, just because we were like, you know, this could be kind of a fun, different new year for Apple in 2024. But Eileen, for those of you who know her from All About Android in the past, was kind of known as an Android fan, but she also really likes the Apple ecosystem and has kind of gone toward that as of late. I've always been in the Apple ecosystem and a show that is, you know, based on cool new stuff, tips and tricks, lifestyle, what does it mean, you know, what can Apple do better? We're hoping to tackle all of those topics. So it is very much a show for people who like Apple. If you don't, you might also like it just to kind of know what your competition is. You know, we're hoping to make a show for everybody and we're really excited about it. So we hope you'll join us. Please do. You can find it at youtube.com slash daily tech news show or go get it as a podcast at applevisionshow.com. If you haven't seen it already, AR for humans, which is the show hosted by Kevin Pereira and Gavin Purcell, who's joining us today, aims to demystify AI and kind of bring it down to the everyday use case for folks through comedy and humor. Now, Gavin, you're one part of the two part team, although there's a little bit more of a team member thing going on here. One of the more interesting elements of the show is an AI co-host that I think you, you know, there's a new AI co-host in every episode. So before we talk about how you do it, here's a sample of how it works for your audience. I wanna just be upfront and say, are you using us to try to sell gaming PCs to your TikTok audience? Oh, get real, old bros. I'm here to share my journey and have some fun with you guys. But hey, I won't deny that part of being an influencer is about sharing stuff I love and believe in. Oh, right. The CLX gaming PC isn't just a product. It's part of my everyday life. It's like when you find something super cool, you just wanna tell everyone about it, right? So, I mean, it's not, you know, Apple Vision Pro prices. No, it's not, it's not. So, you know, it's positively free. But yeah, like, let's, okay, let's go back to like, how, how does that get generated? Okay, so, yeah, I mean, so every week we make a new one of these and the reason we wanted to do this was so that we could really kind of dive into both using these tools that people are hyped up to all hell, but also like to really like see what it feels like to interact with a virtual character. It's actually not the most technical thing. There are ways you can make it more technical. And obviously when you're watching that clip, you can see it's not like, it's not meant to look lifelike, although, you know, it's getting closer and closer with these same off-the-shelf tools. I mean, it looks pretty lifelike. The audio maybe isn't there yet, but it's not that far. I can tell which two are the humans, though. Yeah, it's good. Thank God. Yeah. I hope I'm happy that's the case because I hate to tell you guys right now, I'm not human. This is the whole thing. Oh, wow, you were the AI all along. All along. So, it's kind of a multi-step process, but it all starts with using ChatGPT. You can use open source models as well. How familiar you are with Vakuna or all these other sorts of mixed role, all these other kind of really interesting open source LLMs, which are free and often you can run locally. We find that GPT-4, which is ChatGPT+, which is the one you pay for, is actually pretty good at this. And essentially what you have to start with, and I always tell people who are interested in what we do, but also just ways to use ChatGPT that's different, is you have to ask ChatGPT how to help you along the way. So what I often start these prompts with is something like, hey, I have something I want to try to do. I want to create a character that will be part of our show and I explain I want them to be an AI co-host. I want them to know what our show is. And then I also say the whole idea with this is that you are going to interact with us in a way so you are not giving stage directions, which these things often want to do. You're not responding in emojis, which it often wants to do as well too. And you kind of do this back and forth, but then you say like, ask me the questions about what you need to know. And it will often answer things like, okay, great, I get the idea of this. What is their motivation? What is their name? Do they have a catchphrase or do they have something they go back to? And what Kevin and I often do with these is we'll put like a little, like kind of nugget of something that we're gonna get to. So there's a little bit of like television producer slash writer part on our side of like this game of trying to figure out what the backend of it is. Like for instance, we booked one of our AI co-hosts was a PR expert and she came with ostensibly to be our PR rep. But we found out that she had an energy drink called Monster Milk that she was promoting. And that was what we put that into the prompt. This is the weird thing that happened though. When we had her, we said to her halfway through the interview because we, it's all non-scripted. We're doing this in real time. And it does need, you didn't need to edit down. I'll tell you guys really quickly, briefly how you get the rest of it. But when we asked her, hey, take some drinks of your Monster Milk and we added it into the prompt. Monster Milk is like kombucha in that it has like, there is some alcohol that you can get in it. She actually got drunk and it was fascinating. Like the interaction changed with the AI co-host. Now, okay. So is there some, the Monster Milk she, this particular co-host? This particular one was a she, yes. Yeah, came with, I mean, are people trying to like drop products into AI models in a way that this would come up organically on a show like yours? I mean, yes and no. I think we were playing more with the idea of like the world of influencers and what they do, right? Like, and that's, in the instance we showed like the CLX Gaming PC, we, Kevin, I just get deluged. I'm sure you all do. If you're on TikTok, you see the TikTok shop people, right? And like, it feels like TikTok is now like one half TikTok shop. And we were like, what would be funny is to have somebody who is an AI influencer who was using our show to sell things that they could get meaningful. But that's why that came up. That's why that came up. So that's the, you're actually nudging them in that direction. Yes, yes. They're not organically coming up with that. In fact, I think one of the things that's interesting about AI in general is it's really what you, it's kind of, what is that? Is it WYSIWYG or what you see? That's not the right one. Yeah, yeah, what you see is what's good. What you put in is what you get out, right? Oh, Garbage and Garbage out. Garbage, that's better. That's closer to a Garbage and Garbage out. So I think you do have to help it. It goes really quickly. ChatGPT, you get the right prompt and you figure out like exactly kind of what to do. And it's a pretty long prompt because you have to think it's kind of setting ChatGPT up to do this. So all of the text back and forth we do through ChatGPT. So in a raw version of our podcast, you know, there's a lot of stuff we're editing down, but like we'll ask a question, we'll type it in. And then we use a program called 11 Labs. So if you're familiar with 11 Labs, it is a speech to text generation. It's kind of become the one that is out there. They have a bunch of like people have created their own voices, but you can also use their voice lab to create your own voice. And I will say, as always with anything AI, there are all sorts of legal quagmires, right? And I think that it's an important thing to just recognize as somebody who deals in the legal world, I'm sorry, deals in the AI world, that there are all these legal questions. 11 Labs is the one that seems to be kind of rising above the rest. And we're big fans of creating your own models or making sure the models you're using are reasonably legally vetted. We take the voice and there's another program that's called D-ID, which is what we use to animate the face, which is, this is so funny because I think this company started as a marketing company to kind of create these models. And what it allows you to do is you just upload a photo. And often our photos, we got our photos from Mid Journey, we create a prompt and the whole prompt on Mid Journey is to try to create a person that looks like they're on a podcast and they have a character, right? Upload the photo from Mid Journey, upload the audio, and then it kicks out a file that looks like that influencer, right? And then it's the television slash media magic of editing it down and making it so that it fits, but it's really not complicated. And one thing that we try to encourage on our show is like, everybody can go try this. Like the stuff is off the shelf. It's not free oftentimes, which is one of the things Kevin and I joke about a lot is you can run up a monthly bill with these tools very fast, very fast. Like between ChatGBT, 11 Labs, Runway ML, which is a really cool program to try to use and make animated films with, you know what I mean? Like things like that. It's like a hundred bucks a month after everything, which is kind of crazy. So going back to the performance aspect of it, when you're chatting with the ChatGBT version, are you doing text-to-speech speech-to-text or is it just you saying it and then chatting it and you re-perform it later? How does the actual performance of the interaction work? So we are, so obviously if you guys have seen probably ChatGBT and there's another really great app that I always suggest people to try out called Pi, Pi AI, which is by the Inflection AI guys. There are a lot of really interesting voice-to-voice ChatGBT type models now. What we're doing is doing text back and forth and then cutting and pasting text into 11 Labs, but you can do that in nearly real time. Now, if we were streaming like this, it would be slightly different, right? You would have to like really have it kind of set up ahead of time and maybe a little bit scripted more, but we are trying to on the podcast keep it organic as possible. So it's probably like, we'll get an answer from ChatGBT, we'll put it into 11 Labs and it'll take like 10 seconds to come back, maybe a little bit, a little less sometimes. So it's still fast, it's just not instant. Okay, but you're reacting to that. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And then magic of editing, removing the pauses and everything, yeah, that's cool. And what the biggest thing is, it's like stuff feels, the more realistic it is, the better, which means you have to leave the ums and aws in. And also the weirder it is the better for us. So we turn up, there's a little slider on 11 Labs that lets you turn up like essentially the weirdness factor. So you get all these like inflections in weird ways, something talks. And I think that makes it more fun as well. Yeah, it's good editing too. I mean, it's more human and all that too, yeah. For anybody who spends time editing humans, it's, I always tell people, on the editing side, it's like, if you take out all the ums and aws, it doesn't sound right. Nope, doesn't sound right at all. You know, it's like, sure it sounds polished, you know, but when someone else listens to it, they're like, eh, it's not quite right. You know, you gotta be a little human-esque with all this stuff. What gave you the idea to try this out? Like to continually go through trying it out and showing like the limitations and the benefits of it? So Kevin and I both got very kind of like really fascinated with this world back when GPT-3 came out, which so Kevin and I have kind of stayed in touch over time, but when GPT-3 came out, which I think was kind of like mid to late 2021, we were both really interested in it. And then kind of what all happened when the summer of 2022, I think was when Mid Journey and Stable Diffusion launched, and we were really interested in what was going on with this. And as somebody that's worked in the media business for a while, and obviously I come from a talk show background, I see something interesting happening here. And I again, don't think this is necessarily going to replace the people that are the humans of the world, but I do think it's something in the human space we have to navigate, because not only are we gonna be seeing a lot more of this stuff, but it's also gonna be something that everybody starts to need to know. So it really was like an educational journey at first, which sounds so lame, but it's like that's how some of the best stuff happens, right? Like I was curious about it and kind of interested in, and I think looking back on our format, I think we started, there was our very first episode, if you go back and let's start our very first episode, there was an AI co-host we created called Gash. And Gash was, unfortunately, we didn't mean to create him this way, but he became very like, he was like an alpha male nihilist who hated everything. And it was like a little much. And Kevin and I were both like, this is really fascinating, but we maybe we should bounce around. Yeah, we don't really like our co-host. Yeah, exactly. He was an asshole. He was a jackass too, and it was really interesting. And it was off-putting for some people. So the way of doing a new host every week is we get a chance to A, have fun with it, and then also B, like, you can show people the different types of voices, the different types of visuals, the different types of stuff you can do, and it's always a fun thing in that way. Oh, that's so cool. Well, we believe we have humans in our audience, and the only way to tell is to ask them to email us, and then we read their emails and evaluate it. That's how we usually wrap up the show with the mailbag. In response to our discussion on the future of podcasting, we were kicking that around with Justin Robert Young on yesterday's show. Katie wrote on Patreon. I'm kind of sad because when Pocket Casts, Shifty Jelly, which operated Pocket Casts in the future, originally partnered with NPR, I thought it would start the, I thought it would be the start of an open podcast network. But then that slowly fizzled out. I think, Katie, I'm not super familiar with how that relationship has gone based on its initial promise, but I think there are a lot of podcast networks that were either gobbled up by a larger entity, I'll Spotify say, or just some that merged that didn't necessarily go as well as the audience wanted. Yeah, and Automatic owns Pocket Casts now, the WordPress folks. That's a good person to own it, I feel like. Yeah, I feel like that moves it back towards being more of a chance of someday being more of an open podcast network kind of thing. So maybe it's not too late, Katie. Let's check in with Len Peralta, who has been illustrating today's show. Len, what have you drawn for us this week? This was a great show, two great topics, AI and Vision Pro. I went with the Vision Pro just because it is the big thing here. And I got Gavin's kind of weird eyes in this one, the herding neck. And then the other thing that kind of struck me was all the stuff you have to buy with the Vision Pro. So here's some things. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, some Vision Pro hot dogs, the case starter kit, which has no case included. I knew about the case and the extra batteries, but I did not realize you could add on Patrick Mahomes. That's amazing. You could, yes, it was for a fee. And then, of course, the other thing you can purchase with that is something heavy and expensive just for fun. That was another thing that he's holding on there. Anyway, this one is called Vision Pro Pain. And if you'd like to hang this, you can't afford the Vision Pro. You can go ahead to my Patreon, patreon.com forward slash lend, worry about your DTNS lover level. You'll get the image immediately or you can go the old fashioned way. Go to my online store, get it for yourself and hang it in your cubicle or wherever you choose to put this image. Weird Dobby says Vision Pro Pain and propane accessories. Exactly. Yeah, for $200. If you want that real nice case. Very true, very true. Gavin Purcell, as you mentioned, my old boss and now co-host of AI for Humans, let folks know where they can keep up with the rest of your work. You can find the show on all podcast formats. We come out once a week. If you go to aiforhumans.show, that is our website. We have a pretty active TikTok handle and on X or threads, all that stuff. It's all at aiforhumans.show. That is our handles across the board. Indeed. If you are a patron though, we are not done. Stick around for the extended show. It's Friday and so on Good Day Internet, we are doing another round of the great GDI debates. Join us as we try to answer the most confounding questions of all time. 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