 There's a dog in a room and a pig in a room. Okay. Now, which one do you love and care for and which one do you kill and eat? There's a pig in a room and a dog in a room. Okay, which one do you love and care for and which one do you kill and eat? You'd love and care for the dog, we'll both and a pig. You would love and care for both? Now, which one do you love and care for and which one do you kill and eat? I would like to pick more but I wouldn't eat the dogs. I like pigs and I don't really like dogs, I'm a little bit afraid of them so... Okay, how about you? I don't really know, but yeah, probably the pig. You'd kill and eat the pig? Yeah, probably. You would? Yeah. Oh wow. I don't know. Well, not many people could do that, eh? Well, if I was really hungry, I would do it, because I know that I can eat the flesh of a pig. No one. No one. Neither. Neither? Yeah. Oh, you don't kill either? No. You love and care for both? Sorry? You love and care for both? Yeah. That's what you would do? Okay, wow. Yeah, if you want to know, we work three months in a piggy farm and one day we kill one pig and we just realise that maybe we have to stop to eat the pork and to see that kind of stuff. So you don't eat animals anymore? No. Not the pork? No pigs, but you eat other animals? Yeah, we still keep going. Oh wow. There's a pig in a room and a dog in the room. Okay, which one do you love and care for and which one do you kill and eat? I wouldn't kill any. You wouldn't kill any? No, but I love dogs more because I had more contact and interaction with dogs. Wow. So you wouldn't eat any animals then? No. Oh wow, so you're vegan? Yeah. Eh, I'm not, no. Yeah, sometimes I have a halloumi cheese, so yeah. Okay. If the pig in a cute dog? Yeah. Okay. And how about you? Yeah, I don't know. Pigs are cute as well, like piglets are cute. Yeah. Dogs are really cute. So do you think if they're cute it means we shouldn't kill and eat them or just...? No, no. Now you're going to make it feel bad. I think that's like the human response is like if something's cute you're like, oh I don't want to eat it. Whereas some animals, there's not that empathy with them. Whereas a dog is so much like human emotive-ness towards it. So yeah, I think that would definitely sway my decision. How cute the animal was, but... It's just because you had a connection with the pig, you stopped eating that particular animal, but other animals will still be killed. Okay, let's just say there's a dog and another animal that you eat. The chicken! Okay, which one do you love and care for, and which one do you kill and eat? Uh... It's a tough question. It's a trap. Okay, so I'll have to like, change the question a little bit to revolve around the cheese, because in the dairy industry the mothers are all killed when they can't produce milk anymore. Okay, so about four, five, six years sometimes. And they have their children all taken away from them, and the boys are all killed. So let's just say that salumi cheese kills the dairy cow. Okay, let's assume that. Let's just... well, it does. 50% of the beef in the UK is from dairy cows. So it's still sort of the same sort of industry. Let's just say there's a dairy cow on one side of the room. Yeah. Okay, and a dog on the other. Do we still not kill either? It's a difficult question, because I mean, the direct action of killing an animal is not comparable to the situation that you pose. Nah, it's different, isn't it? Because it's not you actually doing that. It's you just paying someone to... My demand is to support a certain industry that then does the job. You probably personally wouldn't be able to kill either of them. Is that true? Or would that be... You know how to personally kill the animal? Yeah. That's why I feel like a lot of meat eaters, like their argument falls down, whether you can like actually do it yourself. Yeah. So which one would you pay for it to be killed, which is what happens when we bite meat? Would you pay for the pig to be killed or pay for the dog to be killed? I just... I don't know. Like... What did your heart say? Like, I would pay for the pig because that's like the societal... So that's the one culture has told you is the one to kill an egg. Okay, I'll add another... I'll add a third thing into the picture. Okay, there's a pig in a room, a dog in a room. You're hungry and there's also a vegan burger with... It's beautiful, it's got a lentil patty, it's got some vegan cheese. That sounds good. That sounds good. I would take that one, yeah. You take the vegan burger? Yeah, I would. Okay. Me too. Okay. Do any of you use both eat pigs? Um... Bacon, sausage, salami, ham... No, just sometimes if I don't really want to be rude and say no to it. So you wouldn't eat an... You would only eat an animal if you didn't want to be rude? Yeah... Yeah, it's rude to eat animals. It's a trap. Okay, let me add a third option. Okay, let me add a third option. There's a vegan burger, lentil patty with vegan cheese, no cruelty. We'll add that into the picture. Now, which one do you choose? The vegan one. The vegan one? Yeah. Wow. Me, not with... Not vegan one because I don't like vegetables. I know... A burger? A vegan burger with lentil patty and cheese and... But not... Not... Uh, cow's cheese. Vegan cheese. I chose vegan one. You choose the burger? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wow. What if you could get a cheese that didn't kill any animals? Would you be down for that? Yeah, absolutely. So if there was a third option, let's just say no animal had to suffer and die for. Yeah. And that would be like vegan cheese or vegan burgers with like a lentil burger or... Yeah. Would you be willing to try that out? Yeah, of course, whenever there's a vegan option, then I'm absolutely down for it. How about I add a third thing into the picture, okay? Okay, there's a pig in a room, a dog in a room, and a vegan burger. And a vegan burger's got a lentil patty, it's got vegan cheese, there's no cruelty in it, and it tastes delicious. Which one would you choose then? Yeah, probably the vegan. It's the vegan food. If I had like an actual... Probably? Like, yeah. If I had a pig and a dog in front of me and a vegan burger, I would choose the vegan burger. Wow, that's mad. And you? Yeah, the vegan burger. Okay. I'm almost vegetarian, but it's sometimes hard. How about you? Do you eat pigs? Yeah, I eat them. You eat them? I normally know where the meat comes from, so... I used to eat pigs all the time, every morning. Sometimes three times a day, I'd be eating pigs. But yeah, you know it comes from a slaughterhouse, yeah? Sometimes, yeah. It always does, unless it's killed on the farm or something. Yeah, normally, the meat I eat at home. Oh, it's killed on your farm? Yeah. Oh, wow. Who kills them? Not myself. Oh, you don't? No. Probably not the farmer's. Oh, the farmer kills them for you? Ah, okay. So, what if I offered you like a 22-day vegan challenge and you get a mentor on Facebook and that will help you do this challenge so you can choose a vegan burger instead of the animal that has to get killed? Would you be interested? Yep. Shall we go down? Yeah. Okay, I'll give you my card. Okay? Thanks. So we don't choose the animal anymore? That'll be exciting. We can save animals' lives like that. Well, would you be willing to do a challenge? There's a bit of pressure there. Okay, do you have Facebook? Yeah, I do, yeah. Okay, so this is a vegan challenge. Then you know that what you're eating isn't causing the death of animals either directly or indirectly through what you're supporting. So what about if we chose the third option vegan burgers instead of killing the pigs? Yeah. You became for that? Yeah. Well, what I'm handing out is a vegan challenge. So I'll leave it with this. Do you both eat pigs currently? Yeah. I used to eat pigs sometimes three times a day or all animals. I ate a lot of animals and you can just not kill the pig, not kill the dog. Care for the pig and the dog and eat the vegan burger. You keen? Okay. If I gave you an option to choose the vegan burger, would you take it? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Would you? Yeah. Okay, because I'm handing out these cards and they will coach you through a little 22 day challenge. You can go, wow, that wasn't hard. No animals had to be killed on my behalf. Have a clear conscience, a clear clarity of mind. Yeah? Yeah. So it's just the cheese every now and then? Yeah, basically. Wow, that's pretty much there. The dairy industry is probably the most horrific art scene since I've been vegan for four years now. Dairy is scary. Okay. If you can stomach it. That's a hard question. It's a hard one because I couldn't kill an animal myself and I used to eat animals three times a day and I still couldn't kill them. But now I realize that I should just be consistent with my beliefs of not wanting to hurt animals and just eat vegan stuff because it's so much good. I'll give you this card. Vegan restaurants in Byron. Byron Bay. Okay? The pressure of your questions. Yeah, it is a bit pressuring. I asked myself the same question and I realized I used to love pigs as a child but I was always eating them and I didn't make the connection between the food and what happens to the animal in the slaughterhouse. Yeah. Do you always use pigs as examples or is it like? I just feel like it's the closest animal to a dog. They're intelligent, they're playful, they're smart, they're funny, they want to love their children and that's why I use a pig but sometimes it's a cow or a chicken. Either no matter the animal they're all sentient, feel pain, want to live, desire, you know, a life of freedom. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. Boom. Thank you. What do you think about that? Thanks for the interview. Appreciate that. Good luck for you. Thank you brother. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that a lot. Thanks a lot. It's time.