 That is a really good-looking person there in that pink is that even pink Okay, mr. Blueberry. It was great of me Should this be our background Hey Connor. Hey Paxton Patek sir. Well, you know what your name is Paxton. It's Paxton Zesty potatoes Whoa, whoa, there can only be one This this is yours I'm driving. Oh I'm driving not me being a bad it. I'm driving Hey guys, hey precious Jared hey, Jared. Hey Ryan. Hey coaster cat Hey key switches, you know coaster cat is um, yeah Hey, Brian Very trusting I have to itch my feet. Don't judge. Oh my god. Oh my god. I have to itch them No Guys, he's literally flossing his toes with his sock. I've never seen that I'm average. Oh Wow, hi everyone, sir. Can I have your behemoth break please? Did you have a Leviathan one we can try Or you out I would love to see vortex retract with White track and renamed the polar vortex Poor vortex would be a cool name. Hey Aldo. Hey Brayden Allison. Hey Maverick Hey fazbear Freddy Fazbear. Oh, is that what that is? I think yeah Hey VT to Jamie Cobra sloak Cards and gaming sounds like my kind of life Smashing teas All right guys switches If a coaster is coming in one to two years, then it would have already been purchased So it wouldn't make sense for Wonderland to look to Intamin's right now, right? Not necessarily 2025 is very plausible. Yeah In fact, it would make more sense for Wonderland to be looking right now This winter for something that they'd maybe want to finalize in the summer. Yeah 100% it's usually what happens and I'll know when maintenance needs because they'll need to go for training That's the beautiful for it for an intimate. They'll need to go for training. So I'll know ahead of time Or maybe intimate can come in and fix their drop tower To get the VCT chat you do have to be in VC for More than a couple hours. I do want my team to get a little more relaxed on giving it to people Brandon I like your sweater. Thank you. It's a very nice sweater. Yeah, it turned out really nice. The sweaters really nice If Wonderland was bought by six like shut up shut up That Nonsense isn't allowed here What would be the future be like you'd be a Batman Superman nothing for ten years They're running to you to Wonderland. I love you to take me on you con striker, of course He's cool. He's in VC all the time Mason music. Have you seen it? To Taddis testing. Oh, that's that new that's that uh Insane LSM Coaster, isn't it? Yeah, do you know how tall Wonderland can build 400 feet? It's like 400 and something. Yeah, and how many tractions four or five four attractions over 300 feet If we could relocate one ride within the park, which ride would you choose and why so do you mean get rid of it Or just move it from one area of the park to another He says within the park. So that's that's taking a ride. We already have a moving it somewhere else in the park Like I said, I've done that in the past with clockworks and Thunder Run and stuff I'd relocate you con to the dumpster area. Shut up. Oh That was so out of pocket. That wasn't even like oh I hate you like you got like why are you even here? If Ken is when an added an intimate, do you think it would be for 2025 or a coaster after that? That is a really good question. There is a high significance. It could be for the after 2025 It might be a little bit too early. They're eyeing too That's true. The dark coaster could be a copy-and-paste coaster And I would think they would probably want the dark coaster sooner rather than later for winter fasts like Yeah poverty phone Don't talk about Brendan that way. Oh, yeah. No, no, okay moving on that question. Why are you here? That's fine. Um, I was just going to say relocate to the track cat Uh-uh. Wait, what was that? Thank you. Thank you Do you think it's oh, I like this question Ryan. Do you think it's more likely for a mack extreme mock extreme spinner or a regular one? I think a mock extreme spinner for gimmicky reasons So I would say a regular one if Wonderland wasn't that one park for some reason that holds This really weird record of having the most diverse coaster lineup for some reason I don't know if they still hold that after removing Skyrider, but I guess the dive coaster would have kept that I think Peter would fight. Oh, no, but how does energy land yet? No, no, what's magic mountain magic mountain? How do they not have that? Yeah, so mock extreme spinner. I don't know if I answered that I think it's most likely because of that Which flat ride is better lumberjack or soaring timbers? Lumberjack. 100% Leviamoth, I love that name. Leviamoth? Yeah, Leviathan and behemoth. Uh Could you see Cedar Fair working with Vakoma again? I would love to see that. I think I could. I don't see why they wouldn't Like they don't seem to be having any problems I think um Dollywood success or whether or not it's a success with mountain bear coaster is gonna play a key role into What parts work with Vakoma and what doesn't in North America? I'm trying to ignore discord Okay, so I guess one key point would be if they're willing to work with Intamin again Then I don't see any manufacturer being out of the equation Do you think Wonderlands should get a flume ride? Yes. Yeah. Yeah No, I don't want one, but yes Which theme park would you to like to visit for the first time next? I personally would like to visit cedar points six flags great adventure and magic mountain magic mountain magic mountain I would pick mount olympus because I really want to ride hd360 What is that? Why am I touching your foot? Oh, you can still see little footsuria Um, what's your favorite food at wonderland the pork chop and lazy bear, but I'm I'm the thing is I'm scared It's only seasonal for winter fuss. So I really hope When it opens this year, they kind of tweak the menu a bit and maybe put some new things These two comments little so the person asked the question and then patexer gives my answer Are there any flat rides that you would like to see at wonderland? extreme swing extreme swing That's probably one of the most forceful. Oh, no. Yeah what I would personally like What's the one in marieland the magic carpet a magic carpet? Never I need to find I have the video too I have I'm gonna put that in the next podcast I'm gonna have put the he literally he literally was like this to me Ew, you're wet My my armpit got a little sweaty from my I was ranting and it's hot in here. Okay, so I'm just saying good questions questions They should add as fair they should add a ferris wheel everyone wants this I do not I think there needs to be some type of an observation ride, but not in the form of a ferris wheel What year would you think they remove dragonfires? So dragonfire is such an interesting topic of discussion and now that we know that they want to focus on world expo That kind of makes me think that dragonfire is here to stay I know You know what at least it doesn't really have much downtime. What is the capacity at canons wonderland? It is 72 72,000 when the water park and kids every ounce of the park is open. It is 72,000 Want to know how you know that go through the bar next to pizza pizza And due to legal requirements, they have to have the capacity posted So at any bar if you look there's a plaque I'm hiccuping And it says 72,000 on it. That is cool Wonderland's 15 year plan Whoa No, I do not Uh, brunden, how many parks have you been to? I don't know I don't track this stuff. I'm not I don't like okay. Okay. What's your favorite park all the time park you've been to dollywood You thought I was gonna say king's island, didn't you know, I thought you were gonna say universal Oh universal 100. Yeah universal my favorite park outside of the year like thing dollywood my Favorite like blew my expectations away because I thought I was gonna hate it king's island All is right in the world So thoughts on the new tron coaster at disney you were just kind of talking about that. Do you want to share? The audience right you share We should touch on tron and then we should touch on mind bender Oh, we'll add that to the next episode of the podcast mind bender. Oh, yeah, mind bender is an important one Let me jot my notes down people Episode that was episode five I was about to title the video episode four episode six Okay, let's see um mind bender Okay, here we go a two-part question part one could wonderland add a parking garage near the car entrance to the park Too much parking garages cost like 200 million dollars. It's never gonna happen And you know what with the improvements in public transit and stuff it seems like a lot of people are coming Via bus and even passenger pick up. Yeah, I think it was really smart for wonderland to approve that bus terminal on their plot Oh, that's probably why they did yeah um What was I about to say? Oh, okay, so let's talk about tron What so have you seen any of the videos tron? I watched the pov Yeah, I'm not I'm not impressed. I think universal is kicking disney's butt My biggest thing is I don't understand why it's taken them. How many years five years To do something like that like I don't understand like I understand the theming and stuff, but I don't know I you know, I don't understand disney And maybe it's just me, but I think you have a similar thing like I don't understand the hype of disney Maybe 15 years ago, but like you said universal is just like Blowing out. Yeah, and I mean I'm there's one positive thing about tron that I like they really took you into consideration When designing the ride, I like that that last cart that they built for you A little train with the lap bar, you know, it's great. You have a ride that you can ride when you go to disney They have a fat rope fat person side-eye side-eye. What about you? Excellent But yeah, it doesn't look that impressive to me. I mean, it's it's fun if you're a disney fan I know there's hardcore disney fans out there. I really think disney's like this and universal's like disney's like this And universal's like this and they're just like six flags mean with the dock coaster Um, I feel like we're missing some comments. I don't want to miss any So if we don't answer your question feel free to post it again, but don't spam it They should get rid of wonder mountains guardian to make even more room for an indoor coaster guys They actually don't need to get rid of wonder mountains guardian to make room for an indoor coaster their basement is huge Hopefully that's part of like wonderland's plans to have content with us like that'd be really cool to show Yeah, we'll Tuesday Uh, do you see go karts leaving soon? I really hope so I don't understand how that attraction makes any money anymore And it's not even that good like it's not that fun If you could swap locations of two rides in wonderland, what would they be? behemoth and leviathan so leviathan's by the water and behemoth is by the parking that would make more sense It was meant for wheelchair accessibility. Oh No, no, no because it's been reported that that is being used as a Whoa, wait. What's meant for wheelchair? The uh tron Thing at the back I mean, it's probably for both but like from what was being reported. Yeah, bigger people were being told to go there Um, are you going to be live streaming on tiktok at 10 at 10 p.m? Not today saturdays is my my cheat day saturday he goes live at 1 a.m. Guys I held him hostage You're mine Wait, who said that Are you just about uh connor That is go-sat sabers go. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, I heard people much smaller than syria end up in the fat row I have been hearing that I know I've been hearing that it's like I want to know why much smaller than syria and not syria and brendan side. I I want to know what's going on side. I don't side. I mean side. I side boob Um, do you think wonderland could ever go year-round? We were supposed to add that in this week's podcast But then intimate came up Could we'll talk about that in next week's podcast because that's a whole topic guys like we could talk Because it's it's literally like could wonderland ever go year-round I do think cedar fair school is to have wonderland as a year-round park as crazy as that Oh here randon. I heard knots berry farm remove their win seeker. Why did they do that? I feel like you could answer this better than I can So in 2000 it was either 2011 or 2012 That you're gonna have to look up But their win seeker got stuck at the very top of the tower during a summer day for six hours What had happened was on the ride was coming down the braking system on the gondolas Malfunctioned and dug into the steel of the tower making it impossible for the ride to lower down So the fire department had to climb up the tower and take people down Individually and this was before they invented those evacuation pods. That's in fact why they came up with the evacuation pods so the state of california outlawed any swing ride after After 2012 so the state of california can no longer build any swing rides and they moved that win seeker to um I think value fair a world's a fun one of those parks But six hours in the california sun could you imagine? You think i'm sweaty now God that's part of my diet. I got to get back on one seeker We're missing a lot of questions. Um, oh Oh my god, we are you think when I look at it we go, okay I got the job as an attendant today. That's absolutely amazing jake. Congratulations. Yeah, that's it's honestly a good job Okay, so for anyone here that's looking for a job. They hire 14 year olds. Do they not? I don't think so 15 the sweepers Are they 14? I I always thought it was they should they're dumb. I have 14 year olds that operate our cash You can legally hire a 14 year old and like you should wonderland's dumb if they don't because they 14 year olds can sweep a minimum, okay, but anyways 15 It's a good job treat it like a summer camp. You will meet friends. You will meet enthusiasts It's a great place to work. Honestly treat it thing. There are some bad people that work at wonderland that could ruin it But just remember that's the case at every job and you will have the opportunity to make a lot of money during the summer Yes, like you talk to there's a famous saying of wonderland workers Um save money live better. Yeah, this is the same money live butter because wonderland workers like make bank Like you could probably make up to three grand maybe even more a month like if you take if you accept the overtime and stuff It's pretty good. Yeah It's actually really good Surya, what's your favorite ride at six flags america six flags america? Um I'm gonna say either poltergeist or their intamin hyper coaster What is your favorite upcharge attraction at wonderland? The food Okay, what's yours? It's just i'm forgetting one slingshot Oh gokart. Oh, yeah a slingshot Oh Tron back row was supposed to be for people Who transfer out of a wheelchair, but it doubles for large guys Do you see time warp and flight deck being removed at a multi launch at kingswood theater? They wouldn't need to if they're using kingswood theater. Oh, yeah, that's so much space, but I do see them getting removed Um, I remember Leviathan drop tower and the gokarts broke down at the same time What do you think happened to power that happens all the time guys? So it usually happens in action zone Again, there's a lot of work going on there. But when you see a group of rides going down at the same time, it's either a drone Um, I know this literally to be true. Uh a drone in the sky They have to shut down the area or an electrical problem. Yeah if you see a group of rides like Um Go-karts needs to go it doesn't fit anymore It does it needs to go also people are actually in google reviews. I'm seeing it I didn't think guests noticed it, but you know how I suffocate when I'm on Leviathan's queue line people are commenting on that as a I like this question. What could the public and enthusiasts do to help Wonderland become a better place? Okay, so honestly grace has been a really good tool for teaching me ways to like file Um, kind of concerns and stuff with the park, uh, properly Um, so definitely emailing the park does help. It has been brought to my attention now There's a new system in place that the department has to read the complaint if it involves them and respond to it Um, and there is they're being held accountable to fix the problem So just emailing the park is your best way to deal with the solution Um, there's actually going to be a text line starting this year. I learned recently So you will be able to text in number two if you see line jumping if you see miss, uh, Like misbehaving inappropriate behavior, um, or even if you have concerns And there'll be surveys going out to guests when you visit the park at the end of the day Fill them out I just also want to kind of bring something up and I think you kind of have the same viewpoint Actually, I know you do guys if you see like line jumping or something Like I know you may want to call them out too like to protect the park But sometimes it's better again just to report it, you know to the proper through the proper forums instead of calling them Out and then causing a bigger. Yes. It's not worth getting punched over It's not worth causing a fight over a lot of guys. Yes for your safety and like the attendance and everything It's just not worth it. It's not right, but it's not worth it for your safety No cards need to go it doesn't fit anymore with the park. You got a hundred percent agreed wonderland wooden strata when that's my next thumbnail Should wonderland remove fast lane plus like kings minion did this year. So I'm going to take my business Knowledge and give my two cents on it I don't see wonderland removing the fast lane plus at our park because it still works So when you see a park removing the fast lane plus and just having fast lane It usually means the average guest isn't buying regular fast lane And they're all just buying fast lane plus so it makes no sense to have the two options I see wonderland going down one of two routes as a business person I would love to sit down and give them this idea But they probably already know it cedar fair is a really smart business that is obviously in the business to make as much money as possible wonderland should keep both Because there are people who want to just do the flat rides I think maybe they should lower the price of fast lane and keep fast lane plus or even raise fast lane plus And keep it more so for the families and if they do want to get rid of them like the other parks Let's see cedar fair is I think wonderland should definitely explore a family kid fast lane I think their kids attractions should have fast lane and offer it to families now You do get into that awkward gray zone of is it appropriate to profit off of families? Um, I think that sometimes other companies are held to the standard of it's horrible to profit off of families But then you look at grocery stores and they're profiting off of families in an exponential way And they get to get away with it and they're allowed to get away with it But if a theme park were to charge families for a fast lane, it's viewed as like, what are you doing your teaching kids? Yeah, so there is unfair Treatment to corporations, but as a business person, I think cedar fair should profit off the families I'm gonna get canceled now. I mean they have the games right and that's basically teaching kids to gambles Um What's the one on the other side eye brennan? I heard not spray fire and remove their oh Can you see an infinity falls like renovation of whitewater canyon now that they might work with intimate absolutely not I wish But I see them doing a not spray farm treatment to our whitewater canyon a very basic horrible anabotronic gonna be cheaper Foot long hot dogs at wonderland are the best. I mean foot long anything is the best side eye Oh, oh shit. What happened? I just like skipped Oh my god, brennan, we are way we're right behind. Okay guys, I have to stop answering every question I'm gonna scroll down to the back scroll to the bottom. We're gonna scroll to the bottom. We missed your questions We're really sorry not doing it on purpose Oh, that's that's pro sides. That's literally pro sides I can't even read the question now Okay, I'll read the question in a bit. Um, that's who I was talking telling you about Um Okay, so I'll answer a few and then I'm gonna ask a really good question in a sec Do you need the red seatbelt for every ride? Holy No, I don't that was only with my winter layers on side eye. What about you look at you I'm good. I get I'm so skinny. They actually there's the red the black I get a white seatbelt like a yellow white seatbelt sometimes It means model supermodel like it's like that's you know the stash. It's like supermodel miss america I'm miss enthusiast. No, he's missed six flags like greatest miss enthusiast Missing enthusiast that's gonna be part of our ride punishments. You know that I have the costume up on top of that thing It's a stash and a crown that you have to wear around wonderland. He was I would proudly boast that Um, I feel wrong working right now. It's getting so bad, especially after the twitter thing What? Oh He's talking about grocery stores Is sky flyer busy anymore that plot combined with yes, I agree. It could be a good ride Uh, I work Leviathan So you had your orientation today. You were part of that batch Um, holy shit. They gave him Leviathan. That's where they normally don't put new He said nightmares and speed city Normally Leviathan is just one So they're changing that doesn't make sense. Are you sure you're not nightmares in speed city because that's a ride group Leviathan is unless they changed it, but Leviathan behemoth in uconn are usually just a single group, but hey jake, that's awesome. Still we're looking for it Okay, let me scroll up to that good question Should wonderland get rfid What is going on um Bands for the virtual queue as that is getting more popular in the industry You know what that is. Yeah, it's the The time thing where you don't even so I know personally that wonderland is exploring multiple avenues Um to keep guests out of lines wonderland hates guests in queue lines Um, and the industry actually hates guests in queue lines. It's a really good topic I should actually make a whole video on it because I do know wonderland is looking to remove queue lines like they do not like queue lines at wonderland They hate them and it's a very smart business practice because when a guest is in a queue line, they're not spending money So if wonderland and other parks like they are doing like universal are to remove the Whole concept of waning in queue to get on a ride and you have a wristband that tells you when to go board a ride Your guests are out there spending more money on games food and beverage And other up charge attractions. So again if a park were to explore the wristband I would assume there would be more up charge attractions invested in the parks too. That's the only negative side But it's a really smart business practice. That's both good for the guests And the park so it's a win-win I personally don't think wonderland will because our our midways aren't designed for that kind of volume In fact, our midways aren't even designed for regular traffic Like it's it's elbow to elbow and then we start taking people out of the queue lines and putting them where they gonna go It is a great idea. I'm not like it is a really good idea And I think it would make time go by quicker when you have to wait two hours because you I would just go to the car And you technically still need the queue line Because if you're gonna have like hundred people show up at a time Because it's not like 30 people show up at a time that'd be so hard You're gonna have like a hundred turnip you still need the queue line So you're not able to use that queue line space for midways So I I think maybe at other parks it probably works fantastic where they have that accommodating space But wonderlands midways are already very constricted. Yeah, which is exactly why cedar fair hasn't launched it But I do know they are looking into it. I do know that they are trying really hard You see it in their queue line design. You see it in their queue line design. It's it's like I think it would work well at a place like cedar point because they have huge midways. Yeah But again queue lines are capacity of the park You remove those queue lines. You just slaughtered your capacity at the park Oh, that's true because then you need like the square footage and stuff for you So wonderlands and that really tricky like Money but then oh no Loss of money because we're only like 40 000 people in the park now instead of 72 000 We are missing questions, aren't we? Yes Oh Oh, this is a good question. I think okay, so I see something about loose articles. Let me go find the actual question Any thoughts On how epic universe will affect other parks? Will it cannibalize the attendance from cedar point? No Absolutely not. Yeah, I think they're too far and they offer different things But joshua I'm gonna jot this down This is a great topic local travel versus Destination travel Destination travel I have so many thoughts on that. I'll answer it a little bit here. I'm sure you have thoughts too So what you're going to see especially in canada is a lot of people Um are cutting costs on spending So places like wonderland and cedar point will cedar point's a destination park I kind of view it's kind of a destination park You're gonna see those like local parks like kings island, canada's wonderland kings dominion. They're really gonna they're They're gonna experience some of their best years over the next two years A lot of people don't have money to go to universal studios anymore. Me being one I used to go every year Now i'm not able to spend that $2,000 on a vacation To go every year to universal studios so I 100% agree with that and I think specifically one like the thing with american parks Is there so much more stuff to do in the us? But if you look at a city like Toronto and we've talked about this before but everything exciting It seems like davin busters, you know, that's on the chopping block ruler rinks all these other attractions And things to do in the city are on the chopping block. They're getting turned into condos, but wonderland is still there So You know like there's not as many things as there used to be In toronto like even ontario place, you know, that's gone. I know that but it's that's I'm sorry ryan But ontario place is gone. So You know what are people gonna do and especially like you said not everyone can afford like things are getting expensive Just to get on a plane at pierce and to fly somewhere like to travel in our own country Now tell them how much your grocery bill was a hundred dollars for three days I'm eating healthy now because hello new rides mondial. I have to fit in it So i'm eating really healthy a hundred dollars for three days of food It's getting expensive to travel and people are mindful of that But you know what you buy a gold pass 120 bucks. You can do the payment plan It makes sense and you you have an entire four seasons of entertainment right there. You don't even need to leave the city Um, there's a really good question here from rachel if I can find it again Will can is one of them have mobile ordering. So yes cedar fair is looking to have mobile ordering at all their parks Wonderland's infrastructure unfortunately is preventing the park from hopping on that bandwagon anytime soon. That's the short answer I like what peter said. It's not like roller coaster tycoon. Yeah That's the one thing like he is right about like again some enthusiasts and general public expect wonderland to be able to like so It's expensive guys to build a building like because you're not only building a structure You need to relocate utilities, you know, you need gas water hydro All like sewage. It's not easy. Especially if there's nothing set up in that area. Yeah So i'm just gonna change scenery Oh, oh, yeah Um, so a lot of people are really hard on theme parks. They're like, oh, you're always busy You have so much money. You should build x y and z and z and e and f and z immediately That's not how business works, especially when you're a publicly traded company A lot of people forget this when they look at a park like candidates wonderland or cedar fair is six legs They have stockholders that they have to answer to blah blah blah They have other parks that they have to invest into they have multi-year projects that are being worked on like wonderland's infrastructure And it takes forever to upgrade a park that was designed to hold 20 000 guests How I view it it's literally like the highways in ontario Like it was not designed to be holding the guests that it is holding now and cedar fair is now footing the bill for that they were handed A crap park and cedar fair is like What do you mean we have hour and a half lines for chicken tenders? Like i'm telling you right now. Okay, we're gonna Any wonderland executive in here right now leave. Okay. Let me spill some tea Cedar fair is well aware of the problems at the park They have executive chefs of the chain of king's island of cedar point visiting the park and trying to fix it Okay It shows Go to lazy bear lodge I'm telling you cedar fair knew exactly how to solve the problem. Everyone needs to give cedar fair So much more credit than they're giving them. Okay wonderland was a shit park when it came to lineups for food when it came to food lazy bear lodge Is literally perfect. Okay in terms of operations Okay, i'm not talking about everything That's all just for operations, but lazy bear lodge There's one at cedar point two with the same layout and everything. It's perfect Your max lineup out the door 30 minutes max. Okay. I'm talking maybe 15 minutes Right 15 20 minutes personally like, you know, we go there every day. We've never waited more than 20 minutes Yeah, and we were out the door. Yeah out the door. Okay, and that's a long zigzag line So they're they're extremely efficient. They have a good system. Yeah, so I trust cedar fair. Okay looking at the park right now You're like The crowds the lineups they everything. Okay. Yes. It's a great problem to have Cedar fair needs five to ten years to fix that no matter how you look at it They need five to ten years to fix that you cannot expect them to fix that like that They have other parts. They have other infrastructure problems it's not to the guest They expect it like a starbucks store when there's one sole manager thing to fix a problem It's not going to happen like that. It's it's a whole problem. There's plumbing. There's electrical. There's city Infrastructure plans that you have to submit like it's a whole it's a whole process like We are missed a hundred thousand questions. Didn't wait. Oh, not too many actually people are actually listening. Holy crap um Matt seems very impressed by carrot. Where's matt's reaction? Where are you? Where's matt's reaction? What's his what's his profile captioned? Um There uh the You are going to change up the scenery here there. Um, there's nothing on red flag segment. Okay Um, Leviathan deserves the lake. I mean look at him I Yeah, what about you? Yeah, that's why you can't so why to I got a parking lot Awaited 45 for a slice of pizza. Yes. You got to go to lazy bear lodge guys like so my best advice I'm gonna make a video on this my best advice to people going into 2023 visiting wonderland. Do not go on a weekend Do not go on a weekend And go to lazy bear lodge if you're waiting up and this is directly you Jared This is a little advice for everyone. Don't go to pizza pizza. Don't get chicken tenders Go to lazy bear lodge find something that you like there because you will wait 20 minutes max hiccups And not only that when you go to the park don't always go to leviathan first The hair does fit you really well like it fits your head. So like it literally looks like it was meant for you You look so good. Thank you. Yeah, you've never looked better I'm a guy's I it's all natural. It's a model like you might be able to be miss wonderland this season I mean it was me previously, but you might know do me like look at these Like you look at my haircut here and it's a little like, you know, like I need work Honey, it's not just your hair Have you seen the wonderland jail cell? I have personally been in the interrogation room Back when I was leaking you con. Yeah, I had I had my beef the spotlight Oh Matty, hi How do we times work at lazy bear? It's very quick at lazy bear. That's awesome. Jake. That's literally awesome I'm a lazy bear brisket enthusiast wonderland should remove the helicopter ride and add a nude giga I mean, we do need a new giga the old ones kind of outdated We could also use a real dive coaster. Shut up. We literally have the best dive coaster It is unique. I bet you someone in this chat might say dr. Diabolical is better Yeah, well he is busy putting out a bushfire in his local town Do you guys own any vintage items? I do not do you I wouldn't say it's vintage, but I have some beagle bucks What can does wonderland currency? I did see though and this is something I wish I had Candace wonderland used to do coins as well Did you see that on instagram? There's something going around Um, other than that nothing nothing too old. I have a 2005 park map with back lot But that's the oldest thing I have you have old season passes. Yeah, I have like 1990 season passes. I think that's You know, I know I have a bull from mindbuster. That's pretty old Um, coaster cat asked do you think wonderland would reach capacity with all gold passes sold? Yes Yes. Yes. Yes. How we haunt. Yes Yes Yes, they actually did they put a they put a sign out saying park at capacity Brendan, what's your favorite sprendan and surya? What's your favorite looping coaster? Banshee Anything that goes up Montu I'd take montu over banshee montu kumba than probably banshee or montu alpin geist kumba and banshee. I can't answer that I can't I like them No, not montu. I think I would take kumba over montu. Montu is just intense like it was like whoa I brendon likes banshee for the scream at the top Will wonderland get intamin closed loop lsm coaster or one with a switch track Oh for a multi launch Oh, I see what you're saying So they got something like pantheon or more like velocity coaster where the track slides and adds like a spike Oh, no, it would it would go. Yeah, they need to benefit the capacity as much as possible I know that sliding helps, but they need that closed circuit. They would never go for the spike That's true. I still am holding that a red force clone is likely like when they say lsm There could be the chance that it'd be a red force clone. What was dragster's capacity? I know king to cause sick bad capacity because of their train situation, but dragster actually have pretty good capacity When they ran all their trains. So I'll yeah a red force could be uh Who will wonderland get rid of the tent before flight deck and time warp Get rid of the one the kingswood tent. I know nothing about I have no idea. I can't Yes 800 per hour for dragster, I think That doesn't seem like wonderland I thought dragster was like 1400 Wow, he has stuff from the 18 80 the 80s including flags and the launch program Wait, who does jim jackson? Well, that's cool. Uh cool scary gaming. Why does oh, why does? Oh Why I like why does haunt get so many people and if wonderland is at capacity Will they close the park for others cool scary? Yes. Oh, so no, they didn't close the front gates That one time it was new they closed the parking lot. That was new. That was that was shady Yes, that was that was the first time I've ever seen wonderland do something like that parking lot closed before Oh, hopefully we're not digging ourselves a great But yes this year wonderland hit capacity instead of closing the front gates They actually just closed the parking tolls Which was a new thing paramount and all that in the old cedar fair when they first took over would have to close Everything the the front gate everything and you think but no this year They just closed the parking tolls and I was like you still have thousands of people waiting to get in through front gate Red forces 1200 riders per hour. Thanks, Zach Do you see two coasters in the park interacting in the future shut such as vortex and ucon So would they build something that interacts with something else? Yes, a hundred percent. They're gonna have to and cedar fair is really good at that I mean tundra twister is also interacting with you con. Yeah, that's gonna be oh Yeah, you guys have no idea. That's gonna be how cool tundra twister Is interacting with you con or even just how tall tundra twister is gonna be? Yeah When do you think action zone will be redeemed it's not gonna be a one-year project guys It's gonna be like a it's gonna be like a frontier canada 10-year project frontier canada is 10 years guys like add that up 2019 we're no, it's not quite 10 years. We're actually approaching the end But not quite. No, it's gonna be about 10 years. I think they need one more big thing in frontier canada or one more I think the dark ride is gonna be the big thing even though. I don't know if that's happening anymore Oh, no, you're thinking of dark. Oh, oh, you okay. Yeah, I'm thinking of like raccoon city I mean that still would be pretty cool for winter fast Coaster the rottweiler new water park attraction coming soon. Obviously. Yes There's always gonna be the need to invest in the water park Um wonderland for some reason does not like to work with prosides Who said that? Who said that? Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, I thought you meant the other. Yeah, I would know if wonderlands work with prosides instantly Instantly Um, and there's no upcoming projects other than the replacement slide piece that's arriving around tuesday Oh Hey, sir. Hey, what's your favorite ride at marine land? The magic carpet. I'm not grabbing your arm to replicate how you wrote it the first time. Do it. Do it. No, thank you moist Not it responded to that. Why did my phone respond to you? Hi You're so sesty Like when you go home and walk through that frontier front door at your house like your dad. Is he proud of you? I hope so. He never says it, but I always assume he is Your mama would not be Then you'll have one Can you post vlogs from king's island cedar point for the summer? Oh, yeah, there is a lot Oh, no, he never watched the podcast who? Who never watched the podcast? Oh his dad. Yeah Do you think dragon mountain at marine land is better than dragon fire? Yes What's your favorite place to cry in the park? I think it's obvious So there's two locations that are group. So three three The little patio attached to back lot the hidden patio The behind swings of the century in that little hidden curve area and then The little exit to the mountain haunted houses. There's a little like there's a little like s path So it's really private, but it's not blocked off. Yeah, although that's been very like all your fans notice us there a lot No, but that's why we went to the back. Oh further People have sex there They do they do What's your guys's favorite place to cry? That's such a good question I cry every night. I feel like I'm gonna have a bad week next week. So favorite place to cry half-time theater Also cry leaning against leviathan leviathan's break run You know, it's so funny There's so many clips that I wish that this is gonna sound so weird like so god-complexy But like sometimes I just wish there was a camera following us around all the time because There's moments that should have been on camera that aren't like when we got rained on pissed on absolutely on leviathan's break run and siri is there like Like seven dwarves like happy Like that happy seven dwarves and I'm there like Wednesday adams like This is the worst experience I haven't that Needs to be remade into a show because that is the best Like representation of us there is the real housewives of wonderland That should be the new vlog. That's why it should be called a real house. Why is that? That's a good idea We need a disney theme park in canada I don't I don't that would cannibalize disney and florida and like half the season it's negative 20 here Rachel do you guys ever go to splash works to eat? That is so unfortunately accurate. We went there quite a bit this summer. Yes, we do We literally go to splash works to get fish and chips We go there to eat and we look at all the skinny people like why can't we be like that as we're eating deep fried fish Are we a problem? No I think we're the problem I don't even like the fish and chips anymore. You guys forced me to walk all the Do you know how annoying of a walk that was and I hate going to kidsville And going in the water park because I always have camera gear and I always see like a creek Like if I was a parent and I saw a middle-aged man Walking in kids area. I'd be uncomfortable. So I always think of that. I'm like, why am I here with the camera? I like the pizza pizza in the water park too. Let's go. Kaplan's water slide comes straight From a hose and it's freezing. Yeah, I remember krega. I remember krega saying that when he jumped in And it destroys your body. Can you imagine if I ever The platform would probably break Yeah, I would like that time to please step here. No, sir Crush some little kid People in the wave who are like, why is the wave coming from that scene from norbit? I ain't no 300 pounds on 165. How you do it? Should I should what do I remove you cons shot? Ah, who said this? No, you deserve a medal Cliff jumping challenge this year guys. I'm too scared I would yeah, I would you you know, you would do it. I like this one You think wonderland would get a water coaster like the the power slides It'd be really cool But capacity Capacity wise, I don't see it and the water park's only for two months of the season So what is your final prediction for when where and what ride wonderland is getting Okay, so I feel like I've talked about this before But how amusement insiders operates. It's literally like an operation So what I do is how I predict things is literally my business Sense and conference calls and thing I add it all up and then I take my idea of a business and I predict it And it's been pretty spot-on A year and a half to a year before a ride is announced I will start to get Little birds in my ear that are like, hey, just so you know, this is coming. Hey, just so you know There's construction science here. Hey like just all over the industry even like I have people who work for manufacturers now That will reach out to me. So usually a year and a year and a half. I know I don't know Five years in advance. What exactly wonderland is getting Now an interesting thing happened someone that was high up high up at wonderland gave me like a roadmap to wonderland And I thought they left wonderland, but I just learned that they actually work high up at cedar fair now You know who I'm talking about. So he gave me a roadmap to wonderland. That's been Literally a hundred percent accurate without years. So I know A relative path that wonderland is heading down In terms of investments and all that but When you when you start making videos on it and start paying attention to everything Wonderland is really predictable outside of this intimate stuff. Very predictable. It's literally like Flat ride flat ride one kid flat ride one adult flat ride flat ride and waterslide edition coaster Usually a gap year But the gap year well covet caused the gap year Um, and then flat ride flat ride Flat ride waterslide like it's very like But even the gap year is usually still like park improvements and stuff When are you uploading to spotify? That is a good question. If anyone in here knows how to upload to spotify, please message me on instagram I am struggling Hemath repaint any closer to confirmed not happening. Well in the podcast him and I made a $10 bet I bet $10 That either ucon or behemoth will be repainted in the spring. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Did I say ucon? Behemoth or vortex will be repainted in the spring. I'm semi drunk guys just to be fully honest. Oh, yeah, I'm only gonna have three Fourth one it's because I'm eating healthy now. So it's hitting me harder. Yeah um And you bet $10 that nothing gets repainted none of those two rides get painted as something else might get repainted That's not part of the bet I seen the intimate thing happening. There was no one else that could deliver What they wanted glad it's happening. Jim Jackson. That is a hundred percent the accuracy and honestly guys like just to like reiterate how likely intimate is Like these rumors about intimate mean wonderland again Cedar Point has maverick um Carol wins his copperhead Knotsbury farm has accelerator and can't fit it Kings Island has an indoor launch coaster already. That's good for winter fest and draws in the crowds It sometimes has the longest line in the park. Yes um wonderland has back lot stunt coaster And a growing metropolitan area and growing attendants And in attendance an audience that would like something different like yeah, you know, maybe not the same Coaster over and over again it literally If they're going to work with intimate and they're looking to add an lsm coaster. It is wonderland It is literally wonderland Like fight me fight me Come at me, bro It's time to change the background Intense coaster. Yeah, if we don't get an i305 within the next three years, I'm gonna cut up my season pass I'm gonna hold them to the count. No don't don't Do you think wonder how's carolyn should remove night hot because I know you don't like it? I mean, I don't think they have intentions to because they painted it and they just got fire hot. Yeah But I got no this is a personal question. So no no any questions directed at me No, no, I meant do you think they should not whether or not I think they should yeah I mean sad phase. They're keeping it Intimate intimate intimate intimate intimate Oh with increased attendance as the hotel really died. It's not so at the ace event Sit down. No one wants to hear from you right now Thank you So at the ace event it actually was us and peter said that the uh, it is on hold And it is approved and ready to go Whatever cedar fair gives the green light. They could literally dig ground the next day. So My only thing is I do agree with you the hotel that is proposed is kind of garbage It's no different than what's already in the area and there's a generic There's two no hotels dig about to dig ground just across the street from wonderland near the walmart Across the highway across the highway not the other direction So like and they're the same design ish if not more a little more luxurious There's a helipad a pro proposed for one of them that's pretty Wait, what a helipad for a hotel. Yeah It's a luxury hotel. It's it's themed to a cruise ship Yeah, it's a glass cruise ship design too. It looks good. Yeah I actually have it on my computer. I'm gonna show you after the stream Uh cedar point should remove raptor valrave and steel vengeance and millennium force and A bunch of time warp clones. Yes Yes, send them to us Yes, mb Someone does their homework. I love that you know about them I thought I was I thought it was so cool knowing about these hotels I'm like, look at me. I do my research and then mb's like, yeah, the ones across the city view I'll just stay there and pay a premium To stay if wonderland were to get a hotel So the thing is it would provide wonderland with an ability because they located it actually um the design for the hotel allowed them to close the wonderland road still just past the hotel which meant that they had intentions to have it open So they were trying to try and Profit off of wonderland year round in some form I mean at least wonderland still rents out the parking lot, right? Yeah But every park does that I think to the most extent A campground. I don't think we don't have a plan for that Where does wonderland stand with the city of on it actually stands a lot stronger than you think Cedar fair almost played chess a little bit with the city of on and it seems to have benefited them If you look up the board of directors for tourism One of wonderland's higher ups is sitting on the board of directors for that's cool Tourism that's a really powerful position for wonderland to be in And keep in mind that there is an indoor water park proposed um for the city of on in the next 10 years and I think cedar fair has Their eye on their eye on that they operate water parks guys. They operate indoor water parks all year round indoor water parks So that's pretty cool. Yeah Does a 2024 coaster project put up? Uh, so guys Wonderland's not due for a 2024 coaster. I'm gonna literally fight even my sources on this You have cedar points top fill drags to renovation. You have dory parks dive coaster 15 million dollars 15 million dollars I I don't know where to begin even predicting a top fill drags to revamp cost. I'm pretty to say upwards of 20 So 20 there's room for another small park honestly to get a coaster not a big park Well, uh, world's of fun is getting something. I could see valley fair getting something this year Yeah in 2024. Yeah, there's there's not much more room. Hey, it's not wonderland. You should talk about dory parks dive coaster Yeah I think that's it looks cool. Oh episode six. Okay I thought I deleted my note camping inside the park jessica and uh, maxi the rottweiler other cedar fair parks do that It's called coaster camp out So for a night, they have a designated area in the park where you can actually bring your own tent You can sleep inside the park. I've always wanted to sleep in a tent and smell goose shit and pizza pizza Couldn't think of anything more exciting I look good with blonde hair. I just always look good Oh, don't don't give me that you what about you? I'm skinny blue whale I'm the baby blue whale. I'm like an exotic pink dolphin That was like the nerdiest thing you could do on earth everyone here would do it if wonderland offered it Okay. Good night aquamarine. Good night In that case it could wonderland influence vaughn to build something some other Attraction sites like the water park to draw away crowds. They don't want to draw away crowds Guys like it is not in any businesses interested to draw away crowds Maybe he meant or another way to rephrase that would be could they influence vaughn's decision? To further expand wonderland in any way. Yeah 100% but vaughn's interest Is to always be in wonderland's favor now Uh, if you actually look at vaughn minutes, it's um, it's it's almost like a Meeting where they discuss the future of vaughn. I pay attention to a lot of vaughn minutes Uh wonderland is the key player in employment in vaughn. It's uh, it's a huge factor Yeah, I I could probably the g the whole gta Yeah, uh vaughn mostly it pays a lot of taxes Trust me there is a lot of property taxes. It's it's a key role in employment Um, and when you look at a recession proof business 600 000 gold pat gold passes right you have places closing left and right and vaughn right now Uh, literally even in this just the small plaza my old store was in we closed The place next to us closed Places are closing left and right wonderland has 600 000 gold passes minimum Okay, this was way back during winter vest when we got this number It's recession proof So employment is going to be higher. So they're probably going to have to because of that number They're going to hire more people than they would have even before covet Um, it's a really key player. So again, like don't overlook wonderland And don't overlook wonderland's role in vaughn and even like you just said the even in canada I would say like they have some sort of sway Because that's a huge they employ 3 000 to 4 000 employees During covid weren't they eligible to get some of those grants? Yeah Is there I know there's already a lot of space that wonderland could work with But could they possibly expand if they needed to excluding the parking lot? Yeah So when cedar fairs got this really great business model that they go by I'm going to learn more about it I actually have a document I'm going to put I'll put the document I have in the next podcast I have one so cedar fairer to stockholders will send kind of like future business practices And there's a new one That talks about kind of like adjacent land development and the future of cedar fair Cedar fair is willing to develop land. That's not necessarily even attached to their properties So let's say cedar fair saw an opportunity in toronto Or new market and I'm just saying these things to make a point Aurora Richmond hill mark them and they were like, you know, it would make a lot of sense to build a water park there Or even in Niagara Falls Cedar fair isn't going to be opposed to investing in A hotel or an indoor water park or a restaurant or a sports complex In areas that necessarily aren't attached to their parks Now the words they use are adjacent to park property, but I could see cedar fair looking at toronto and being like, you know An indoor water park in toronto would be kind of beneficial For x y and z and they can even say like brought to you by canada's wonderland or something Brought to you by cedar fair. They they yeah Mountain facelift. I think that would be pretty it's in the progress. It's in the process So rockscapes guys, um look up rockscapes on inter On instagram holy crap I'm a little tipsy I handle myself long ago for being tipsy. Um Look up rockscapes on instagram. Uh, they are in the process of upgrading wonder mountain It's a multi-year thing. You're not going to see the mountain suddenly like one day That's a hundred million dollar project. So to make that not a hundred million dollar project They're going to do like what they do to mindbuster And work on things right now. Uh, a big thing that they just accomplished was waterproofing the mountain. Yeah They redid the whole roof Yes, I remember you're going to call me a loaf of bread on opening day I support that Look like a loaf of bread, please Which is worse flight deck or time warp Time warp time warp flight deck is bearable in the front I think you you Agree with that like flight deck in the front. Yeah, that was fun this year Oh, is wonderland going to go for world records if they build an intimate osm wonderland is always looking to beat their current records And they are eyeing things like even leviathan's record. It doesn't mean they're going to do it They could go with world's fastest multi launch I am at billards hall for my cousin speed air right now, but just popped in to say hi. I hope it's Had a good stream. We'll catch up on it later. Thanks chasm Does it wonderland have the tallest dive coaster you constrictor? Yes Shut your mouth You knew what I was gonna say Uh, could wonderland build more coasters That go underground or perhaps even install the proposed basement coaster the mountain Yeah, I think there's like like as much as I hate on yukon yukon's tunnel was friggin awesome. Yeah, it is Okay, you know what just take the compliment. Okay The way it dives in between vortex like that was pure genius Brayden no offense. Are you insane period? Brayden just got dragged. What did he say? What did brayden say? Are they talking about me or brayden? My name is brendan. Do you mean brendan or brayden? Wait, I don't see where brayden I love time warp. I love time warp. It's brayden. Oh, it's brayden. Okay. Good. Yeah, brayden is insane He also likes velocity coaster. Don't know why Blue mountain is the shape of somebody's butt. Where do you rank can is one of the cedar fair park lineups? So in terms of importance, it's a top three park In terms of coaster lineup. It's a probably a top five park currently Um Personal park personal park is a top three park you Uh in terms of importance, I think it's probably the second most important park Um in terms of coaster lineup, I would say it's yeah about three or four and for personal Park, it is my fourth favorite cedar fair park Background change. Thanks tyler Oh I really hope gravity group like don't get me started again on this that that this is a missed opportunity But it's exciting that cedar, you know, it seems like cedar fair the last five years has really branched out of their comfort zone You know, like they're working with people that like we never thought they would work with before Which is so exciting If you could trade any of our coasters for a coaster in the same level Key switches has always got the good questions Key switches. I gotta add you to my team If you could trade any of our coasters for a coaster in the same level in the other cedar fair parks Which would you trade for what? I think I know your answer Leviathan for i-305 I want people to have nosebleeds I think I would trade back lot sunk coaster for Oh flight of fear flight of fear Mine's interesting. Yeah, I know what I expected that. Yeah, I bet you know what I can see I thought you were gonna say my buster for like a gci. No mystic. Uh, brennan out here with the Uh, no one expected that Do we fit? Guys, you should have seen that when we went to king's island brennan's look brennan's looking at the train design those old premier trains and he starts getting upset He's like surya. I swear it up. No because skinnier people than me were getting declined. I guess my legs are small It's the hips But people and I saw and I'm like I'm like surya because he already told me it was really hard to get on and like We were in our phase where we were eating wonderland food twice a day So we were not heading in the right direction when we went to king's island And I was like I have really bad social anxiety guys. You know this from my videos We literally watched someone get walked out the spot. There's a whole separate exit that they walk out of flame and they were crying I think they were crying And I said surya if I get declined on this ride. I will hate you. I will hate you I remember I remember I said that too because It happens to me on the fly four years ago And I remember that was when I I was almost 300 pounds And then that was when I dropped a lot of weight because I was like never again Because they have to like unlock the seatbelt and then everyone's like, oh, what's the hold up staring back there? Other parks are you going to this year? A lot of that is still up in the air. I know I we uh, we always do an april trip So we're still trying to work out details, but it's usually carowinds bush gardens king's dominion Surya, why do you hate on yukon strike or so much? Okay, okay, you know what a part of it is is Kind of a show I will say leviathan's a lot better now I will also say that out of the group. I am the only one who will actually get offended if nobody Like we'll walk past it and be like, oh yukon brenton's like, why do you want to ride that and I'm like, oh Okay, I guess we don't have to ride it, but then I'll get really like Passive aggressive and brenton's like, oh my god fine. We'll ride it I don't go to wonderland to ride rides I go to wonderland one to film content and this year's gonna be even more like I'm so motivated You've seen it like there's a whole new me guys Are there any kids rides you still like or wish you could go on racially? You got some really good questions, too Are you know what? Yeah, uh flying eagles. I enjoy flying eagles Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one But we are able to go on that Oh, I guess the only one is tax. Oh, no. Lucy's tugboat is always or what's the one where you spin yourself? Oh, it should be neutral. Yeah, worldly birds. Yeah, that one. But like Lucy's tugboat loki looks fun Oh, we rode the big one at cedar point Yes guys screen record Discord discord crew get that somebody is that to have got that loaks. I'm looking at you, man What do you always look bad in real life? Wait someone asked that? Yeah, the guy who's gonna call me bread Who's he's asking you? No, he's asking you I don't think he looks bad in real. I do when I'm hanging out with I did this summer Not to like be shady or anything, but I was having a really rough time getting used to syria's fame Like it was rough Like I was constant. Did you remember I was always like I'm waiting because It was scary I'm ready now. I'm ready You mentioned the infrastructure issue with wonderland. How would they expand the midway? Would they make them wider make additional paths? I don't Unfortunately, there's no ability for wonderland to really improve the midways. It would be such a It would be such an Oh, like they would have to they would have to move like everything like rides buildings I don't think it's possible and this is why and I know you will also touch on this quite a bit why We don't well. I don't think anything will ever go in orbiters old spot is because that path is One it's a lot easier to go from behemoth to you con with that path So like it for selfish reasons, but two it is a people mover and it's just additional space to store people Almost apparently someone did get a recording of me You're gonna do it. Why did you moan while doing it? That's what new who is supposed to do is it? Yeah Oh They need to remove the midway games I think like the arts are money ours are blended in really well. We saw them this year It makes money. So I don't think they're gonna remove them Oh boy Oh boy, there's a recording Good Bluebusters could get Could that get There is a part getting a upgrade to there's already again Carolins or something is having sally come in again. Like it's a yeah, I think it is carolyn. Yeah Or carolyn's is insane is one of them is getting sally to come in again and wonderland's island is the Oh wonderland's needs Wonderland's needed sally 10 years ago move shockwave. I feel like I always run it into a kid there They should remove blue blasters and add a 700 foot 4d spinning coaster You know blue blasters is probably one of the most popular attractions in the kids park Okay, um, so orbiter wasn't necessarily removed to make a path Um orbiter was removed for other reasons That I may have discussed in other podcasts or live streams, but I can't discuss any more moving forward The path is a better is better. Yes It has the biggest line. Yeah, blue blasters. Yeah, I feel like that Sends a message to cedar for two that dark rides are wanted at wonderland Family dark rides. I mean, I think snoopy's racing railway will now forever have the biggest line in kidsville What's okay, brennan you I'll answer and then you answer favorite ride at dollywood minus thunderhead Thunderhead A mystery mine is also really good. I think it's a coin You would love it. It would probably be your favorite. Yeah. Yeah They tried really hard. I love dollywood because they treated me really well Like I got to go as an influencer That's cool. I know didn't wait in a single line They treat you like royalty there when you're an influencer And I was smaller back then too But like and I remember the ride was down and they kept checking on the walkie-talkie for me and everything Because they I was like one of my like thing and they were so nice and we liked thunderhead and we were only supposed to get on like One ride without waiting in line with her But she was like, oh, we're so sorry that like Mystery mines down so like why don't you just like rewrite thunderhead Like they were really nice. We've got free food like free meal passes dollywood is like It's my fair park Like remember telling you even like the there was this old guy Like must have been like 60. He was sweeping the park And we just got off tennessee tornado And I remember this is like a core memory We just got off tennessee tornado and I pulled him a camera And we started vlogging how insane it was like how we were blown away because I didn't know like I remember We were going on the drop and we're like brace brace. We were screaming as a joke like brace brace and then we were like This is as smooth as a bnm. So we're off and we're vlogging about how amazing it is and the 60 year old like He was so polite. He saw we were filming he waited till we stopped filming then came over and he talked to us And he was just like, you know, this ride's like so great. Like it's like a part of my Thing like I love this park like this is like thing and we were just like we sat there We talked to him for like 30 minutes because he knew everything about the park um, he was so And honestly like wonderland started hiring some of the like older people for the It's the best decision parks need to hire more older people they won it's just like they care and the friendliness is like Yes, yes, they may not be able to do 300 people but there are positions That some older people can feel it was like again my core memory was that like 60 year old guy Working at dollywood. Just taking a moment seeing us flipping our lid after What's it called Tennessee Tornado and taking like literally coming over and talking to us like literally I'm blushing right now It was such a cute core memory But that's what makes your experience out of park complete, right? Like that's what you remember and what makes you want to go back and even what jim jackson is saying It's just there's history. So there's a like a care Like um, just even like, you know, I don't want to reveal too much But like, you know, you worked recently and you took that extra passion in the role you played Yeah, like and it's just like there's that extra care. Whereas the the teenager sometimes it's like, oh get paycheck Go drinking. Yeah, which I don't blame them either Oh I'm going to see your point next to your first time you're gonna love it. Oh my god. Yes, you are gonna love every house eat Please eat at um Farmhouse farmhouse farmhouse farmhouse. Get the steak. Oh, and their potatoes. We're so fat We're like, oh Farmhouse Oh, we love it What's your favorite flying coaster? So flying dinosaur would probably be my favorite flying coaster if I actually wrote it Um, but my favorite is mantas. It's the only other one I've been on is great adventures and it's like a tiny little thing Uh, my I wonder I taught you really badly because apparently that loop is like Is one of the most intense Oh, yeah, I've heard that Uh, are you able to maintain a straight face throughout while riding one of the big three at Canada's wonderland? We sometimes have conversations on the ride If cedar fair is working with intimate then I 100 expect them to work with RMC That is a valid point I think that again, like I said a little bit earlier if they're willing to work with intimate now Then that kind of rules out this whole theory that they're like cutting ties with everyone if cedar fair wants a specific product They'll buy that specific product Opinions on wonderland fries horrible horrible We just got out of this pass Wonderland fries Added it's added to the next mod guys. That's gonna be his rant. It's my rant. I have to see him explode No, no, no because if you're gonna go to mcdonald's fries, you're not gonna Wonderland should work with skyline attractions Who are they Skyline, yeah, you don't know who they are. No I'm drawing are they the Yeah, yeah, no, no they do that they did that into the single rail thing the single rail that um I think australia got with that really weird layout the powered one Like the figure eights and stuff Ew, uh, I know you're talking about the ones that are breaking down and that are being closed. Yeah, no Will wonderland get a strata coaster. I think it's plausible especially with latest news They do the bad coasters that no one likes Big dipper. Oh, we have a history video by jasm on our channel about big dipper, I think adding a train or sky ride so They wanted to and they wish they could Is the information that anyone that attended a scott, but it's too expensive now and I think there's a space issue Yeah, obviously, yeah Remember my then build us Bring they're doing those family single rails now Really stupid. Oh with the lighting packages. Yeah. Yeah. Oh It's like one below zan pearl has come Although apparently zan pearl is entering the big leagues So then honestly as much as I would love a dark ride at wonderland other than the mountain I see no possible theming options for that That's not I understand but like Flying theater could be flying over canada a dark ride could literally be so for example dark rides have interchangeable Scenes it's literally so Essentially when you buy a dark ride you're buying projectors and you're buying a dark ride You can change the scenes most companies don't because they're open year round or blah blah blah But a park like canada's wonderland could really benefit from this because they have winter fuss How we not a thing you see it with guardian they could do the same thing with any dark ride As long as there's no theming If they were to build a dark coaster in the basement, I really think they could have Easily interchangeable theme. Yeah, even if they didn't they could literally just theme that to literally wonder mountains guardian again This time someone in discord brought up this you get the gold You're because the wonder mountains guardian you fail On the coaster you could succeed like There's so many different things you could have a medieval fair one you could have a World expo like this like it's hard to think about themes, but wonderland's sitting down you could um We have a meeting with wonderland um, and there will be an episode on the podcast with wonderland and I Really want to go outside the envelope for you guys because typically when influencers or Typically when enthusiasts who have youtube channels Ask park people questions. It's the same old same old What is what is wonderland going to add what goes into this what goes into that? I want to ask questions Like why isn't wonderland using the word ziz even though I know the answer I want you guys to know the answer from wonderland So there's a really cool answer about why they're not going to use the word ziz ever again And I'm gonna I want to ask questions like that for the podcast But once we ever sit down with wonderland And we have a game plan about the future I uh, I'll open it up questions to you guys too to ask for the episode on the podcast And stuff like that So yeah, I'm excited That's gonna be a I work. Yeah, I work hard for this You very worked very hard for this The bad thing that my mom drops me off at wonderland to get rid of me for 10 hours. I mean Who wouldn't not you I mean like wonderland was literally used as a free babysitting service I'm look for 120 bucks or whatever goal passes 129 like why not it's cheaper than than a babysitter wonderland should add one of those coasters that do things Is b mcc is that shock On woody coasters at wonderland and I feel that it has put bad thoughts on all wooden coasters for me ryan Yes, that is my biggest frustration But I can promise you 95 of the wooden coasters out there are as smooth as steel roller coasters It's true. It's true. It's december's like it's butter smooth So new trains wouldn't key switches. You're so good at this new trains wouldn't really fix a bad wooden coaster so You can speak on this in a second because you definitely know more than me But my my thoughts would be new trains could only do so much if you have a really bad profile It's like almost like if you get new tires in a car your tire alignment isn't right, right? Yeah, that's no it's I'd say it's 30 train 70 percent just the the track You know when you retract a ride you have to do all layers because those boards are going to warp they're going to expand They're going to shrink they're going to crack, you know, it's not going to be able to absorb the shock as well So that's that's most of the problem A little bit with the trains gci actually invented the pivot for a wooden coaster train Um, the thing is with the old ptc trains. It's a fixed axle So like rendon said with the profiling, you know, if the profiling isn't done just right the train is going to start bouncing So joshua has a question that other people are curious about too Will adults without kids be allowed on snoopy's racing railway the rumblings? Are that no It is it makes sense. It is where it's located. It makes sense It makes sense. No ride in that area allows you without A kid to ride and probably because the ride is going to be so popular They don't want a bunch of holes crowding it. Now that is wonderland's fault. That is Whoa We're adding that I already talked about this though capacity Versus investments, so Wonderland constantly talks about even at the ace events capacity They have openly said that they don't necessarily look at capacity when they comes to every investment. They have said that Yeah, um, and it shows Come specifically with this new one snoopy's racing railway. It should have two trains And it should what am I going to say 24 riders per train It should have two trains in the bank. It is crazy to me That cedar fair and one again, I have to like I'm this sounds like a complaint But I'm going to get peter a compliment at the same time. It sounds like a complaint But view it as a compliment because I know exactly what happened here Peter took a budget And he presented a ride That should have been a flat ride for kids because again what cedar fair does they're very predictable One kid flat ride and one adult flat ride That's literally how it goes now. We have a kid coaster family coaster And an adult flat ride So I think what peter did was he worked his magic And changed that kid flat ride to a really well-themed kid coaster. Don't ask me how he did it But so at the same time sitting here complaining about like why did they get a train a coaster with one train? But peter obviously deserves kudos For somehow working the budget to get us a kid coaster So again, like we can't always so most enthusiasts This is those blinders against Starbucks always so when you work at Starbucks you get taught about blinders So if I was thinking about enthusiasts with blinders on we're going Oh, why did wonderland add a train with our coaster with one train? In a really high populated park But then you take away those blinders and you're fed information. You're like, oh, okay Peter had a five million six million dollar budget for wonderland in 2023 And he presented tundra twister at first of its kind and was somehow able to convince cedar fair That a three million dollar snoopy's racing railway was a good investment. It's probably six million And don't ask me how he got approval, but he was able to convince cedar fair. That's a good investment He deserves kudos for that like he does so i'm sitting here complaining, but peter Again, like I obviously would prefer heather hill as a general manager, but peter sometimes pulls through pulls through again tundra twister Is going to be amazing like he's really good at picking these flat rides too. And that's a hundred percent him That's peter. Yeah, I don't want anything generic. Yeah No wonder mountains guardian peter like Yeah, the blinders are blind. We're putting the blinders back on What outside of that peter does a phenomenal job? Thing and honestly, I would love I don't think it's gonna happen because peter and I aren't necessarily like we don't see eye to eye But I would love to do a whole video on peter because As much as I hate wonder mountains guardian peter has a really cool Story about wonder mountains guardian, and I think that that should be talked about more And yes to a park at canada's wonderland wonder mountains guardians of failure But to an engineer like let's say you design wonder mountains guardian. Would that be your baby? that for any like any engineer like when you design something whether or not You know it's not that it doesn't work But like when you actually sit down and go from you know concept drawing to reality That that is a labor of love like that is an intensive You know 16 month process where all your time is dedicated to that And of course you're gonna you're gonna be proud of it no matter what And you know what at the end of the day, it's pretty cool just to say you know what I designed that That's pretty cool. So I'll understand if you know you're protective over that Key switches. I did write that down. That's a good topic peter hill peter peter. Holy This all makes sense Peter versus Heather for park president And if the next coaster isn't a launch, I'm literally going to riot So this is this is up in the air about our next coaster This new news think it's gonna be a long this new news throws everything off. It has to be a launch We need a proper. I was sold on a mock double launch We need a proper launch. I'll that would be good too. But intimate. No, but if we can't get a mock double launch If we get a mock double launch the intimate lsm's out the door Then we're getting the dark coaster Maybe they're seeing like this business. That's what I'm saying like it's because we know guys. Okay. So the one topic of discussion Bam bam Yukon striker it was delayed Can cedar fair delay projects last minute delaying very last minute of projects Due to change of opinions For those of you that don't know This is something that happens So for those of you that may not know, okay, I feel like a lot of you do But Yukon striker was a 2016 coaster. It was supposed to be built in 2016. This has been confirmed by the park Um, but what had happened was cedar point had invested in serious renovations to their hotel The hotel needed something to draw in guests And Frontier Canada was becoming an idea like it was literally being discussed. So cedar fair was like Pause so Yukon striker had the same layout for 2016. It was supposed to look the same It was supposed to be really cool Record breaking and all that but it had no theming from what I understand It was a very generic behemoth style just a dive coaster Um, and it was going to be a bird theme still, but it wasn't going to be Yukon striker So that's why it's Yukon striker, but it's a mine theme ride. That's my understanding um But cedar fair was like hold on girl You're doing good. Canada's one only you can wait here. We're gonna get you as let me get you what? What was it skyroll or skyhawk skyhawk Which I'm I think we'll get you a skyroller. Okay, there's one already built in a factory waiting There's an extra one from what I understand. That was what happened um And they bought that very last minute guys like it was rushed from what I was told at Yukon's media day like it was like What the fuck do we build like what the fuck do we build? Um, we have a budget. We got to find a ride. It's okay. We're allowed to build a flat ride What do we build and they went with that? Honestly kudos because great like I love the ride general public wise. It's a horrible ride, but nonetheless 2016 three year delay. That's serious. Well, that says a lot. But look so 2016 2017 was mystic timbers 2018 was steel vengeance and But that doesn't matter because it was already paid for Well, that's true. So that's like what that says But what's funny is Why delayed if it was already paid for so like our investment payments what we think they are Is there a lot like are they able to actually postpone a payment then because it sounds like they are Yeah, it sounds like it wasn't paid for yeah, because if it was then we should have gotten it in 2017. Yeah, exactly um So what that says is or cedar fair was like, hey, we were gonna buy you con striker from you anyways Can we not pay for that now? Can we pay for that three years later? Can we pay for you val raven right now? And of course bnm's like, yeah, if you're gonna buy fucking you con striker in three years Yeah, we'll gladly postpone that and sell you val raven right now Like if I was bnm, I'd be like, yeah girl, whatever you want. You're a regular client Buy three get one three. All right. Have a good one fazbear. Bye fazbear um Was there supposed to be fog for you con? What happened not sure you know what to give them credit in 2019 during hot they did fog up the tunnel And they had red lights So I don't think there would ever be fog because that's too expensive But there's a process where they're able to turn. So for example, they'd have plumbing that connects to the water in the Yukon lake which sounds disgusting And it turns it into Like mist so when I think about that now So back in the time when you think about dive coaster, yeah, they're gonna fog up that tunnel easily But when I think about that now And I just also want to point out a lot of those water features Manufacturers are choosing not to use because it does add extra wear and tear to the track Yeah, Zachary private message me Oh, that'd be interesting information to learn Too expensive, how come during con is so hard? Yeah, I don't know if I want to be sprayed in the face by Yukon so hard Do you want Yukon juice on you? It's spicy Oh my god, we need to make that tick tock Spray Have you guys I have you ever ridden um dragster in the front or king to con you get that cable missed in your place? Um, we are at an hour and a half. So oh my god. This has been longer than our It's 1107 already Skyhawk is a very safe ride I'll tell you a little T that ride derailed during a windstorm and it still was okay It bounced. Yeah Like it's still okay. Like rides have redundancies and then more redundancies on top of it Like you're you're fine And that's coming from a hypochondriac If Wonderland is able to pay now and buy later, they could have potentially Solidified the roadmap already and it's just slowly trickling. So How I understand how things work is parks do have five-year plans In some instances they'll have five-year plans. I mean exactly what the old VP present like They do have five-year plans, but every year Or two to three years in advance. I don't know how exactly it works There's a lot of gray area Again cedar fair will present each park with budgets. I do know this to be true There's budgets and the park general managers and head of operations and all that Work together To kind of present options and then cedar fair green lights or red lights things And then obviously there's yellow lights now or has always been yellow lights Um, so there's there's a whole story and to be honest, I would love to find a park That's willing to talk about that That'd be tea, but I don't think there's a park. Well cedar fair parks would never talk about that cedar fair is so Hidden now that they don't even release their attendance numbers. No holiday world talked a bit about that with Thunderbird They said that they they wanted a dnm since 2011 But bnm wouldn't work with them at first Because they were a smaller park. Yeah Um, but I think we're ready to wrap this up so you can start driving home and go live on your platform Yes, 1109 This is so much fun. I know I like the hangouts. I like the hangouts too All right guys Thank you for viewing everybody Thank you for participating one. Uh, von is working on the roads adjacent to wonderland to help with congestion That's why there's horrible traffic right now, but they're working on it. But yeah, uh, thanks for watching We'll be live on his page one. Um Full time is it 12 probably about 12 30 12 12 30 Like 40 minutes to get home. I have to do my toilet stuff Um, feel free to check it out seria k 325 Awesome, and we will see you same time next week same time next week 8 p.m. Saturdays Bye guys