 Yeah, we are live and you can hear a little echo here in one second once it updates Live on the metal voice talking about live on a metal voice Talking about Morellian. How could you talk about Prague rock on the metal voice with me today? Amon O'Neill from Eon music Hello, Jimmy nice to be with you from this side of the Atlantic It's a nice shirt you got there. I should get some metal And then we can have a fight like the HH fish fans like to do you know Because it can never be a happy medium. There always has to be a big fight So mean you will I get an Eon music shirt. We can have a big fight. That's right We could just like tear each other apart tear each other apart. I tell you All right So a show that probably a lot of the metal heads are gonna say what the hell you guys doing Why are you doing this? But you know what you're like me sometimes We do a lot of favors for people. We do a lot of favors for bands. We do a lot of favors for friends and Sometimes you just gotta indulge yourself indulge on things you'll love, right? It's that correct and I guess yeah, this is what it's about, right? Mm-hmm. I mean it's funny whenever we decided to do this. I thought back to when I first got introduced to Morellian and I think If we're doing this people are gonna know that we're we're fans of Morellian We like their music. Otherwise, we're not qualified to rank it but I thought back to my first Morellian experience and I went into a music shop in Northern Ireland and saw this cassette for 399 the cover looked awesome And I bought it and I brought it home And that was the album rail to really the live album record on the Fugazi tour and I pressed play And I thought what the hell is this? What what am I just wasting my money on I wasn't I wasn't ready for I wasn't ready for it And I think that's a good place to nearly start what we're talking about because I came into Morellian When I heard the song cover my eyes from Holidays in Eden with that Kenny Utreg-esque guitar going on So I didn't like the fish era whenever I first heard it and I had to go back to it So I'm coming at it really from someone who became a fan of the band during the whole Whereas you Jimmy are From Like I would say you know and and I kind of like this list that we built Because a lot of people say you got to do a fish list or you got to do a Hargard's list So for the people who don't know Morellian There was there's two eras because there were two singers right official singers, right? fish Was on the first four albums and then Steve Hargard took over and he's been on the last 14 I something like that, right? Yeah About right. Yeah, something like that something like that and You know, there's the hardcore fish fans who started loving the band right at the start and They were a little upset when Steve Hargard came in and there now there are fans Who just don't even know fish sort of existed at the beginning, right? So it's a very interesting list Because I'm coming at it from a fish era. You're coming at it from a from a Steve Hargard sort of era So that's pretty cool. Yeah, but yet we both like but we definitely yeah Yes, yes, we love you. They're all here. They're all here, you know You know, I was looking for I miss my misplaced childhood album. I couldn't find it, but I'll tell you this You misplaced it I misplaced my misplaced childhood, but I found my clutching at straws album This is originally bought when it came out on EMI and you're clutching it right now. Yeah Back in the day. All right. Here we go Let's rub our hands together Get some warm All right, so We're probably like the few on the internet with along with Simios nice show my favorite is clutching at straws fish is amazing runner-up misplaced childhood Metal madness says but I love it huge Merlion fan script misplaced and he's also says Jimmy doing a Merlion list That's not metal. No, it's not metal, but you know what sometimes you got to say what that? All right, here we go. Here we go and Louise he's already given us his top 10 list and I'm gonna read out the comments cuz there'll be few of us here Talking about Merlion, and I don't care. I really don't care. It's just you and me for three hours straight I'm all good with it. I'm okay with it. All right. It's just like one of Merlion's albums three hours. Yes Yes, so it kind of fits the theme and whoever's out there texting me I'll try to read your text cuz we're the few and we're the few smart. I'll say We'll a few smart. Okay Here we go. We're gonna count down this list again So it's what I think it's what you think and we mix it together. So we have both eras in there okay, we're getting all nerdy it out here and To anyone who wants to start listening to Merlion, we'll give you advice as we go along You just can't just because a lot of people tell me Jimmy. I listened to one album. I couldn't sit through it It's not about that It's not about that at all, right? It's it's investment You have to invest your time and you got to really listen to it and it's prog rock It's not metal where metals like sort of there metals like sort of like easy to digest most in most cases where Prog is a little more you got to sit back relax listen understand the themes listen to the lyrics You know the the the musicianship and so on correct Absolutely, I mean you talk a musicianship Merlion's right off there especially with Stephen Ross right here is an incredible guitar player melodic players. So yeah This is not about shredding. This is not about shredding. All right here. We go number number 10 We're gonna start off this list and I'll put a nice picture caption there And wait up before you do it. I gotta get my picture ready here. So we'll be in sync. All right What's it gonna be? What are you gonna guess guess? Here we go fear fear Merlion's fear album there you have it I will Show yours this was and I'll say this Frank everyone in run. That's what fear stands for is the 18th studio album recorded the 23rd of september in 2016 You know, this is an album that you really love just so talk about talk to me about it. Talk to me about it no, um Miss health and jimmy in the run up to this Last night we went on a binge a Merlion binge and listen to We listen to most of the catalog Bar I suppose the ones that we did, you know, we kind of we knew which we're going to be at the top But we listened to a lot of the album And we had a lot of banter back and forth about it. I put fear on but more importantly I think is I put the video the dbd on all one tonight, which is the Royal Albert Hall Hall show I think anyone who was at that show Would hold this album as something special because it was that album that led to the Royal Albert Hall shows And i'm definitely guilty of that jimmy you You'd be happy to have met that. I was the one who had the elbow to get fear into this list. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes strong, I mean There's something I love about there's a real modern sound to it in tracks like the levers the first part of that song with Arpeggios going on and the keyboards and stuff It's so it's the most modern Without not being not trendy or fashionable. There's the most modern sound in album. I think for a long time It's probably the most in the moment Musically album that they have done And I think with everything that happened around at the Royal Albert Hall shows the five star reviews The chart placings it really put the band on top On top of the words again. I'm for that reason that definitely deserved the place And just so everybody knows barbie wear here, you know, you're just not gonna the first album You're gonna pick up by marillian if you want to test the waters if here's a tough listen, right? It takes you got to see them live. You got to fully Understand the musical compositions. This is not a verse chorus verse chorus song This is long passages. You know, you have what three Super long songs. I can't even remember what the time is on. Yeah, I mean, honestly, like track one of this has got five movements The track and song El Dorado, so to do like five songs in itself. These are huge statements these song Here itself when he has like six tracks on them, although they're all subdivided So yeah, you're right. These are not pop singles I would I recommend later on as you get into marillian This is an album that you'd like get into the production always solid on a marillian album And and the themes, you know, El Dorado, you know, it's an economic ecological storm a financial storm a humanitarian storm I think the levers is about touring and and and the the the issues of you know, sort of getting up and going every day from city to city And uh, I think the new kings is about, you know, the old democracy and how it how it changed Due to sort of capitalism today and sort of like, you know Money is everything right the dollar talks So very cool themes very nice album And that would be number 10. So again, if I'm going to recommend anything here I'm going to say after you've gotten to the band a little bit then buy fear because if you buy fear first You might get a little put off because of the The movements and the segments and the long songs, right? all right So let's look at the comments. I'm going to read a lot of comments today. Amen because Uh, yeah, there's not a lot of us on here All right, metal madness. I've seen them a few times with hogarth Though they are great live and it is and what you said when you see the band play this album live That's where they're the excel. That's that's that's the keeper right there, right? That's what draws everybody into them All right. Yeah, I mean, I was I was listening to the album last night and something I I noticed Compared to some of the earlier days You know, there's no guitar. There's not a lot of guitar overdubs. It's it's they're kind of record now in a way That you're meant to hear it live. So Rothery isn't going to put on layers of the layers of guitars. So Yeah, it's a baseball. It's very baseball when they play that Yeah, all right, so here we go. Let's go to Number nine, let me get it ready here on my end. Hold on. Hold on Let me get the little guys ready here. Where are they? That's exactly here. Oh, boom. Boom. There's a little guys the picture I've been showing all all week They're barring no phobia a mouthful a mouthful to pronounce What I have here is the pre-order versions. Oh, you got the pre-order. I just got the version This is the one that this is the first one I pre-ordered And you got your name in the credits And I messed up by about a week. So You know, I should write my name in there and pan or something. But yeah, that's that's the pre-order Um, go ahead. Good. This is a good one because we debated over this one, didn't we? Yes. Yes, I would say this This is the one that we both I don't want to say argue because we didn't argue Debate in your debate. Yeah, you had it in your list And I didn't and I think what happened was on this tour I saw that band like 10 times And I wanted to love this album so much and I played it to death and I think I overdid it And coming round to know whenever you said to me, I was like, it's not as good as It's not as good as I think and then last night I played it and what was it I said to you within 30 seconds There was like this needs to be on the left You know, you know what this album is it's different from the rest in a sense that It's upbeat It's got you know, a little jazz a little funk a little even rap if I could say that You know, it's got hard rock. It's got blues It has all those little elements again solid production Right and the big hits too that never became big hits Right. Yeah, you're right off beaters, right? You got between you and me, which is great Map of the world is a kind of Should have been a top 10 right there, right? Fox single the one song I said to you that I Didn't like on the album and I totally changed my mind is when I make God great song Separated out is great. I will you could do a trim and all that chatter at the beginning and end This is the 21st century with always my favorite track. Oh, yeah, that's going for a massive attack vibe. They're using like kind of tripple kind of loops and stuff But yeah, I'm much better at them than I actually I've come around to I'm back on team team barry You know, it's funny like I was like you in the last two three days I I took out all my CDs and all my albums and I'm just listening to one after the other as I'm working and you really You know and a lot of the music that you forgot about you remember and like there's a lot of music, right? So it takes and I'm happy we put it on the list of number nine You know, this was released. I think this is one of the first And they were the first crowd crowdfunding out a band So they're this album before it was recorded The the the fans already gave them the money to make this album. It wasn't even one of them It's crazy. So this is one of their first completely financed by the fans album before it was recorded Before it was even recorded there wasn't something to buy yet or there wasn't a product yet, you know Also in in the UK it was put out on EMI. So they had a distribution deal with EMI So it was the first time they had a relationship with EMI since the the heyday as it worked So that's pretty much it. That was their 12th album. It was released on 2000 2001 I can't even believe it's been that many years It has Stood. Oh my jewel case broke, but it has stood the test of time So if someone's never heard of meridian, I would say this is probably a good segue into meridian It's it's more melodic. It's more upbeat. You could Especially if you haven't heard the hogar theory. I think this is a great way to sort of, you know, jump in People usually tend to need something that's more melodic and upbeat to like sort of get into And then you could go into fear and all the rest of the longer ones All right, my friend you ready Let me see if there's any more comments metal madness saying is my name is in anachoraphobia So your name metal madness six six is in there Let's be honest fish's voice isn't close to what it was back in the day Hogarth still has a great vocal chops live. Yes Yes, strange enough another point that we should we should make here I'm in Montreal, Canada. You're in the uk in Ireland, right? I don't know if you're considered part of the island in the uk anymore, but anyways in that area I'm in the republic. I'm in the republic. So close enough close enough. These are the two areas where meridian You know always and in the netherlands as well. They've always had a great fan base, you know, so Just want to point that out So we're looking at it from two across the atlantic in two major markets That the bat even though they haven't toured as much here There's still much has always been the home of meridian meridian in canada All right All right, here we go Ready for this? Let me just get the the prop All right, here we go Season's end number eight There it is All right, it's the last it's the last one the last one I played this morning actually Yeah And it's really cool because if you look at it It's got four seasons, right? I think the feather representing the fish era right and that's done I can't remember what all the other seasons were but it's fire air Wind and whatever those four elements. What are the What are they for wind fire storm water? I don't know what it is Metal This this was the first hogarth album and also the last to picture the traditional meridian logo. Yeah. Yeah And the first album without the mark welkinson artwork The gesture This was Their fifth studio album and it was released. I can't even believe in 1989 That's crazy. How old it is It's it it holds it holds up, right? the production well, I interviewed steve rothery A couple of weeks ago So you're watching this you can find it on the on music. Okay And I asked him what his top three meridian albums were now this album didn't make his top three But he said to me you could make a case for this being in the top three Because we came back with such a strong album after The events that preceded it and the events preceding it was the split with fish The new singers. This is hogarth's first album and he's got a point For me though listening to it today Simply the fact that it's got easter on it means it deserves to be on the list Everybody and see arish. What was it the arish? What was that about again easter? Yeah, it's about or something easter and arland or bunnies and stuff like that and easter Yeah, it's my chocolate egg Well, you got the king of sunset town, you know melodic easter, which is a beautiful the under everybody gas season's end, which is more proggy Uh and hooks in you and after me and then space At the end. So you got a real mix of the brit pop Right that brit pop sound that was sort of evolving at the time You know when you think of oasis and you think of that type of music That sort of was on the radar, but you do have that prog element in there as well, right? Not only melodic songs But you know a lot and I you know, I got the cassette. I used to work in a record store in 1989 and I got the cassette of this and I'll give it a listen. I just couldn't put it on. I couldn't listen to it because I was so used to fish for so many years It's really difficult It's kind of like when dickinson came into the band and I had problems at first because i'm a real diehard But after repeat listens rinse repeat rinse repeat You know what? It's a pretty amazing album It it is and it's it's quite poppy and I could have I could actually substitute this could have been this album or holidays in aiden and holidays in aiden does get a bit of a Bad rap because it's so poppy. It's very polished production But it's so catchy and all honesty. I could have swapped out one for the other there. They're quite similar They're almost like 20 albums in my mind. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I think what happened is they it was pop and prog And then they went more pop And that's kind of where they lost a lot of their fan base But yeah, there was a line in the sand after that and we'll obviously talk about that All right, so here queen bodisha saying every song very strong on that that name is fish is so weird ha ha Okay, I actually like holidays in eden at steward. Thank you steward for chiming in Mr. Dreams a lot saying hi and chat to help you guys out on your live streams. You popped up on my feed cheers Thank you. Mr. Dreams a lot And metal mad is saying my real name is the anorak Original he sent his names in the booklet No, my real name is in the oh pressing. Oh, okay That's a weird strange hang on see if we can find him. Let's look him up. Yeah, he's in there Look him up. Look up john smith right there. Okay Um, where are we at? Okay. Any other notes on seasons end again for me? It was a gateway into steve the hogar theory I liked it, but it took time for me to accept him because I've always you know, I started off with fish, you know so it was it was tough for me, but Still sounds great today. I put it on the other day Still sounds frigging great. All right. Here we go Go on another step. Oh, and we also should say that john helmer. So you had fish as a lyricist So they commissioned john helmer who was a lyricist as well Before they got steve into the band Because they knew that that that that fish was so high quality in terms of you know, being a lyricist They needed that extra oomph And so you'll see throughout the career and throughout the alms of meridian That john helmer's name is there assisting steve argarth With the lyrics. Yeah, he stayed up until well Prior to more and he's on anarachnophobia. I believe he maybe no He makes probably a guest appearance a few times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's there Quite a somebody here. All right. Here we go. You ready for seven This is gonna upset some people. This is gonna upset it upset me a little bit. It upset me a little bit Let me go get the army You know, I put the sun right before a little chitchat Here we go. Number seven coming up Script for a gestures tear the web Wow, what what artwork? What an album if you look at it clearly like if you look at the the picture itself He's got a violin But he's got no bow Okay, he's got a feather because in the old days used to write with feathers, right? You know, he's he's a gesture You know probably more of I guess that's fish Right, and you got that little lizard there that little, uh, what do you call it the chameleon there in the back? So what a great album cover Your thoughts my friend your thoughts Well, this harks back to what I was talking about when I was like 11 years old and I bought rail to rail one of the tracks on there was forgotten sons and I was like What the hell is this but you got to remember I was listening to exclusively In 1988. I only had about five or six album I was listening to you have a type of destruction seven son of a seven son blow up your video and abba master master of puppets And then I hear forgotten sons and I'm like, what what is this? What a great song. No, that's no disrespect. I wasn't ready for it and Although I think it's a great album and I think jimmy we need we need to be clear about that We love we like all the albums. We just like some more than others this one uh for me personally just Didn't do it for me and I know that The other side, you know that you're sitting there right now screaming in your head gone. Are you crazy? Um, I think I'd be as well to pass over to you Well, I'm gonna tell you what the mood like was like in canada Okay, you know you could speak for the you know the u-caria, but I'll tell you what it was like in canada At least in montreal This album was played on fm radio And the reason why so montreal was a huge genesis Market massive Especially the peter gabriel era All right So this was sort of like the lost peter gabriel album by genesis and people just lost it and you know, it was I'm surprised when I look at wikipedia. How many albums sold in canada? It doesn't really it says it charted but doesn't really have a sort of sort of a certification But I think it's wrong It was played on the radio like he knows, you know script for gestures tear It got a lot of traction. You could go in record store and see these albums everywhere and it was and they came I believe I think they came And the band Was doing well here and the songs You know, these are songs they wrote before you know, like during their early years, right? And they had time to finesse them However market square hero was not on this album, right? Which was basically a single that was released before this album Which is a shame. But anyways, I get it bottom line is This was neo genesis with peter gabriel and that's the allure that's what drew everybody into the band sort of like redivan fleet was the uh The sort of neo led zeppelin, right? They were sort of the missing peter gabriel That missing album that they never made So, I don't know if you want to see I wasn't I wasn't there, you know, I I didn't see it through those eyes. I was too young I I do know that we've upset a lot of people here. I'm looking at this Number seven, you're kidding me. That's a my top three sister. I know stir. I'm sorry stir I'll get you by the next time I see you Metal madness is really crap way too little for a script. Yeah, um, it was going to be an upset, but I think When we get to the other albums it may become Clear maybe more sit back relax things will become clear You would you would have it higher up though, jimmy. I would definitely put it higher up But then again, maybe there's some of the later You know merillion albums you'd have higher up. I think this was I think I was okay with where it was because they were still showing Their influences they weren't merillion yet. If that makes sense. They were still Considered this neo genesis band Right, and that's why it is where it is not to say that the album isn't stellar. All these 10 albums are stellar. Okay, absolutely Absolutely. These are we hit me I think people watching this need to understand me and jimmy have just had a binge this past couple of nights and it's been absolutely amazing There's been no negativity flying back. You know, it's been wow. I haven't heard that in a while great albums So, you know while we're not, you know between us not putting script in the top, you know top five or whatever um We're certainly not saying And in queen bodisha saying what's his real name like why is his name fish by the way and the story is He used to sit in the bathtub all all day long and something like that His name is dark dick Derek dick is his real name and I guess dick is not usually the great name To have a stage name. I don't know but bottom line is he got his nickname fish Because As I've read in interviews he used to sit in the bath and just take he was like a fish sitting in the bath all the time Or at one point in his life. So Maybe fish can correct us on that. I don't know. What have you heard? Hey, maybe you should move move on before the instructor will think about it Don't worry about it, man. It's all good, man. Let them throw stones at us I'm the only reason I'm going to repeat this the only reason why it is where it is Is because they haven't become they haven't become their own sort of sound They're still sort of banking or piggybacking off of the genesis vibe But it is To me one of their greatest albums. So I'll leave it at that. Okay Okay, so let's go to number six. You really don't want to talk about why fish is fish, huh? Okay. All right. Here we go Okay, so let me get it here. I don't know where we're at. I think we're number six. Okay. Hold on. Let me get it ready Ready one two three number six brave. Look at that brave That there is the original. That's the original vinyl of brave I don't know if people know this but on the original vinyl there is two different endings Depending on where you drop the needle. There's two different grooves And you will get a happy ending or the sad ending to the story. It's amazing Fun fact for you. Tell me why you put it number six In your mind, why does it deserve to be there? Well, this is what I was talking about earlier this line in the sand between this pop Band that were pushed they were pushed too far for holidays and needed and they said we're going to do our own thing And they made this dark conceptual piece that really set the template for what Morellian is today This is the way they work together the way they write the type of music they write all comes from brave Um, I got brave on cassette In a bargain, but which i'm sure a lot of people did because the album commercially was Uh a disaster. I got it. It was really cheap and I remember listening to it and it blew me away blew me away from the first track Um As a conceptual piece, it's a dark story about a girl who was found wandering in the severed bridge Um It's it's it's it's based on state of amnesia. Yeah. Yeah, um, and she searches for her past So that that's kind of like what the story is, right? That's a good Sorry about I just there's tracks on there that I to this day. I love Um starting with the track bridge, which is beautiful It's got these little homomics going on living with a big lie, which it feeds into so you get used to it Um, goodbye to all that amazing alone again in the last lap of luxury Maybe one of steve up there with steve rothry's best souls the The emotion Um, the great escape which they still play That's that could rival what I just said for one of those greatest most emotional souls And then the beautiful made again to finish it off. Um, I go back to this album the time and time again It's a wonderful piece of music very dark um on heavy as in heavy subject matter but um Absolutely amazing. Yeah, I have the 24 bit remaster right here. I bought this probably like late 90s It was released In 1994. So just putting everything in perspective. So grunge is at full steam ahead You know that rock thing has died or that metal thing has died New prog bands such as merillion are sort of getting Pushed aside. I'm getting a lot of sun coming in right here. By the way a lot of glare um So it's 1994 the band, you know holidays and even was our last album and suddenly no one gets this it's kind of it's sort of the uh Rush's caress of steel if you will Right, no one gets it. No one gets it. They go. What the hell's going on? But the band has said time and time again after a few years people then got it Because it's such a long Concept and it just it requires so much attention from the listener To absorb the music the lyrics and the story This is not something you put on you love right away. This takes years to sort of appreciate Do you agree? Yeah, it actually took me time When I got that bargain band concept and I remember walking to university with little I know that I was about to say mp3 player. No, it was not. It was a walkman and I don't know. There's just a mood to it. It's beautiful It's deep it's deep and actually I never I didn't even listen to it and I've gone up to this You know as I say some of that some of these album we just know Yeah, yeah, yeah, but even but even talking about it. It's like I want to listen to that So lord harry saying how the hell can they be considered heavy metal? You know what it's called the metal voice, but you know what it's a loose term the metal voice It's a loose term. Sometimes you just gotta talk about your love I'll tell you one thing and there is an iron maiden connection between marillian rott smallwood And his agency, you know, they they worked with the band for many years and there is that connection and The metal fans have always Followed the band, you know, and there there's always that metal crowd that always Love the band over the years, especially in the in the fish era None of you agree with that or not? Oh, yeah, I mean they were in the cover of drying over here. I mean they were marketed I suppose and that's yeah, yeah, yeah, you know Hard rock band Oh, yeah, definitely even though they're never really hard rock they were marketed and It was always the metal fans that were you know, and of course the genesis fans and the yes fans But there was a big contingency of metal fans who followed the band over the years like myself and like yourself, right? All right, so here we go Where are we at here? Oh anything else on brave? Let's see. Hmm. That's pretty much it. I think we've covered it all Going to number five number five. I might have to close this window because it's blinding me the sun number five number five I'm gonna put number five On the screen and all people could see it and I'll be right back as I close the window because I'm getting blinded And you could speak to it as I go Close the window There it is number five is Afraid of sunlight. I think this is the only two albums that we have When there was not that are back to back. This is the album that followed brave. This was rushed. They rushed it out Um, because yeah, they owned the EMI one more album. This is getting studio the following year after brave and make Just bash something out. They bashed this out in record time and Uh, it is Just amazing. There is some great great tracks on here Uh, again going back to my steve. Oh, uh, steve rothry and review He named this as one of his top three favorite and really an album Afraid of sunlight. Um, I believe Speaking of steve ogards as well in the past. He has also said it's one of his favorites Yeah queen bodisha saying so just so everybody knows just so we're uh the 10 Fear is steve ogarth. We'll call him h season's end is h Script is fish Brave is h Afraid of sunlight is h. Those are the vocalists on this album. I'm still getting a lot of sun here. It's coming in strong But I close the blinds Go ahead start to cut you off You're all right. So yeah, I mean, uh, the thing about this one is there's a lot of, uh Great music on it. It starts off with gaspacho, which is kind of upbeat kind of Off kilter Rock track. It's followed by cannibal surf babe, which is like the beach boys or something. It's really like a surf song Beautiful, which is one of their more well known tracks Afraid of sunrise out of this world is just stunning which was written about donald cambell and the bluebird which actually made History because he his body was never found after the bluebird boat was Yeah, it was tempting a water speed record And it crashed and he was killed instantly Because of meridian because of this song A fan went looking for the bluebird found the bluebird has been removed all cambell's body was removed from constant water He was very I mean to me that's going to be the last of the legacy of meridian long after we were all gone It's the fact they contributed to Pause right there pause right there. Steve loopy newman new house is is on And he's saying they were good friends Hey loopy, we got to know them really well. So Steve loopy was roadie number one fire and made him back in the day We got to know them very well just again just to make that connection between metal made in and meridian There was that sort of you know, they're both from the uk They both sort of came up at the same time and they're sort of marketed towards the same crowd at the time They're both um label mates as well. That's right. That's right. They were both and that's a good point too on emi capital here, right? so Thanks for chiming in there loopy So, yeah, I mean this album here is it's I mean, I'm it's like say one of their later period albums. It's not really I suppose like the fourth o'clock album But it's so strong. It's back to this song song song format There's no it's not a concept album. These are Relatively speaking short songs, you know kind of five six monitors said different uh things Um, that's definitely one of the strongest albums in the whole catalog So it's not a concept album, but there's a loose concept, you know afraid of sign light It sort of examines the destructive side of celebrity And you know just to sort of add to what you're saying. Gaspacho is Think of oj simpson now Right think of those ears. I'm not saying it's about him, but it's sort of that vibe of you know oj simpson and other celebrities Cannibal surf baby That babe is the beach boys You know, you've got those beach boys of four-part harmonies happening there afraid of sunrise You know james dean kurt cobain So for those fans out there Who want to jump into the h ears? This is the album to get into them, right? Would you agree? Yeah, um, it's definitely the easiest one to get into. Yeah Yeah, yeah, especially the song beautiful if you love ballads and slow songs that are sung beautifully This is the song that you're gonna love. So let me take a look at the comments here Steve uh lupi you still around Uh laura is saying probably the album covers lupi will you stop drooling over cliff? I don't understand that Oh cliff richards. Okay See what happens is when you read the comments backwards sometimes they don't make sense. You have to sort of read them in order We're doing the top 10 clip albums next week. There was a oh here frank blindee is saying Uh in the 80s when I grew up most people that I hung out with love metal but also love marillian You're probably too young to appreciate that That franco is the best statement and a lot of people like we'll do a show today on marillian They'll say it's not metal. Let me tell you something back in the day. We were the same people going to marillian Going to genesis Going to iron maiden because iron maiden was always very proggy and they still are right to this day, right? So that I think marillian uh in terms of the marketing in those early days. It was very like midden. All right, we've got a theme here so whereas midden had a Marillian had the market wealth and thing and it was always similar but different each time You know, you see that the gesture was that sort of marketing the sort of the font for marillian You know, I'm not saying it's similar to maiden but a very pronounced It's a yeah, it's a similar a similar marketing approach and yeah, I think it definitely worked They had eddie. They had the gesture here So there is that similarity and and when you're 18 years old or 16, that's sort of like that's what you like at that age You like cool graphics and cool song titles so, you know uh The metal voice another voice of kind of metal marillian, but they're not metal. I'm not saying they are Uh, all us as pablo the metal voice Uh, the album covers have a lot to do with it. Yes, that's loopy again chiming in And that's what I just mentioned, you know that when I bought maiden right the first, you know The second killer's I was like, oh my god. What is this? What the hell is this right? You want to buy the The visual you want to buy the visual The prog voice, okay, and I think we've kind of talked about everything unafraid of sunlight This is their eight studio album and released in 1995 again. This is the era of Grunge is just far and off on all cylinders even maidens having a hard time at this point So this album didn't do well at the time Relatively as much as people wanted it to do but over the years has been A lot was there it was their final album for yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right as you mentioned earlier this year All right, here we go. You guys ready for the next one All right, let me just get it ready here But a bing but a boom bam We'll make some friends again. Fugazi Fugazi Look at this. Look at that. Look at the artwork You're telling me a metal fan doesn't appreciate this Okay, you got this this sort of the gesture with his rip clothes wasted drunk on the bed And I love the sony Walkman You know, you got the sony Walkman He's got a flower in one hand and a drink in the other He's got a picture of the gesture or the lizards there the chameleons there Because you got to be a chameleon when you're a personality or a celebrity, right? And then in the back See the opera in the back there There's a picture Fugazi's written on the mirror and what's beautiful about this picture about Fugazi in the mirror is On one side is a human on the next side. He's a gesture. He's still in his clothes And you have the magpie. Is that the magpie there? I think it is isn't it? The bird yeah, yeah, and then you got billboard, you know, he's had some success And he's reading his billboard as he's drinking his brains out. All right So number four Fugazi, what do you want to say about this? Well, I guess I just want to show off my copy that's signed by the entire band Yeah, thank you for for first thing that and I'm going to show you what I just bought Of course, I have a lot of but it's just been reissued buddy. This is amazing First of all, yeah, it's got The album remix remastered, right? I believe it's remixed. I think it is Not only does it have that but it has two CDs Of the live show in Montreal, Canada at the spectrum And then it's got a dvd, which is a small little documentary And some other cool stuff This album Is phenomenal. All right, go ahead Yeah, I got one of those too Yeah, yeah, this is a great album for me Straight away. This is what I was talking about earlier about guitar overdubs The solo and assassin is one of my favorite. I've said that before about About raw three track. It's such a lovely guitar solo Again harking back to my interview that I did with Steve a couple of weeks ago He credits Fugazi with him discovering this guitar sound the guitar sound that would continue on through Their success primarily that kind of heavily poorest little bit of delay guitar sound that you take forward into the next albums Yeah, this is a really strong album from the next year Now if you it's an interesting album because okay, it's released in 1984 and you think back in 1984. This is the heyday of metal This might be their most and they're not metal, but this might be their most metalistic Album not to say it's metal, but it's got that metal vibe when you listen to the first track You seeing that falsetto there, you know Uh, there's a certain punch and then punch and judy is another punch Uh, of course, it's very proggy. Don't get me wrong, but it's got that aggression And it's got that sort of metal vibe because they're probably influenced at the time of the scene that was going on, right Fish does a phenomenal job vocally. There's vocal gymnastics happening on sheet chameleon Vocal gymnastics happening on assassin Um and punch and judy is just spectacular in terms of like a two punch No pun intended. I never I never thought of it the way you're talking about but you're right assassin has got um The big power chords and when it comes into that chorus, which is You know, you you don't get I can't think of many other merleon songs Where exactly playing bar chords like uh, so yeah, I take your point. You're correct 1984 my friend when this came out and I heard assassin and and they used to play this album on the friggin FM radio during the day Not like the some three o'clock at night This was a big album and it was so big that they recorded the show like I mentioned in montreal right And it was that the spectrum in montreal is a theater size venue I think it must have fit three thousand tops So that's where they headlined back in the day And again the visuals right the songs the aggression that sort of falsetto or head voice that fish was using on the first track what you'll call assassins who accuse assassins anyways you know, that's my friend Anyways, it's got everything so if you've never heard of merleon before And you like metal I think this is the one where you're gonna really really, you know Be drawn to okay um top-notch lyrics You know just listen to the end track fugazi and fugazi for those of you who don't know what it means I think it was a vietnam war term saying, you know Uh, this world is totally fucked up This world is totally fugazi Interesting thing about fugazi is it's one of the albums that steve hogarth isn't comfortable singing material from Because he says he can't and he's perfectly within his rights But he says he he can't really relate to an rx so he's not comfortable singing the material So it's probably I think it's probably the least the least performed Out of all their their albums. However, steve rothary told me that he He's basically handed that on the future, you know, he's got his own bonds steve rothary bond They will be performing it and it's entirely out of future gig so That's really get the chance to hear that and listen to like the first song, right It's got the sort of the guitar riff and the keyboard riff, right And it's riff oriented and you don't see a lot of You know, uh, merleon songs that are riff oriented, right? Not only the power chords, but the riff Right and the keyboard is sort of following afterwards Um God, I want to say something about this. Oh, this is in between drummers, too This was uh, you know, mic pointer was the original drummer and then they had a lot of drummer issues And then they finally I believe Did he and moisley did he did he um, I think he played on most of the tracks Yeah, he's on this album. Yeah They're johnathan mover, but Jonathan over they fired. Yeah. Yeah, they fired him like, uh, but he does have a credit writing credits Now i'm gonna tell you the difference between script and this album on fugazi, which is their second album with fish for those of you want to know This album they sort of became merleon in terms of a sound they go. Oh, this is not genesis anymore This is a merleon Now they sort of have an identity and their identity keeps growing after this album That's why it's placed higher than script script was sort of like, okay neogenesis prog whatever Well, now they're sort of becoming they're coming into their own And wow man, there's you got you got the hard rock on this you got the prog on this You got the vocal gymnastics on this album. So everyone's really shining great guitar solos and everything. Yeah I think I pretty much said everything on this song here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay Let's see if there's any comments on this for guys. What do you think everybody? Uh Okay, here we go metal madness merleon. We're very good at mixing the complexity of prog music with pop song Pop frameworks as they developed punch. He knows kaley in community. I will our pop songs really Yeah, that's a good point The knuckle dragon says clutching at straws is a must for discovering fish I don't know. I think, uh, you know, uh fugazi is probably the best intro to fish And uh queen buddhisha saying wow, so they took their name from the tokens You know, uh, sir merleon, right? So for those of you who don't know merleon was taken from Is sir merleon a book? I don't remember from token. Uh, that is yeah Yeah, so sir merleon was the original name. They worried about copyright. I guess back in the day. Maybe was They could have gotten in trouble or not. Doesn't matter. They took off The sir and they have the merleon. That's how they got their name So we're coming into our top three. You know, you know, here we go. Get ready folks Strap on in So strap on. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Let me get it ready. Okay. You ready People might get mad about this though Tomatoes Number three ready There it is Merleon misplaced. Oh good a spy gun. Is this a book? Which ones go killio? That was a joke. That was a joke. Um There it is All right, tell me why you think it should be number three Wow, well, that that's a difficult question because I mean, you're into the top three. I mean, that's like listening to your top three made in the albums You're never go you'll listen to I don't know parsley of somewhere in time. Peace of mind You're not going to go well peace of mind You know, it's number three. So it's not a good these are all amazing. The top three albums are all absolutely brilliant We've just had to find a placing for them Um, me and jimmy debated over this one and I know a lot of people would have this at number one. Um I think the way the way I put it was there's still an element of quirkiness in this album That is probably absent from my personal one and two Which just brought it down a slight bit but as jimmy you can explain I mean you you think the whole like genius the way it flows and you're not wrong about that Well, um In my interview with markelly The keyboardist It's funny what he said and I don't know how much truth there is to it So marillian opened up for rush. I believe in new york and it could be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong And they got booed And this was probably right before misplace came out or at the time They got booed and they go, oh man And they're never gonna take us on tour again. And what do you know? They get a call rush says we loved you guys come on tour with us in north america. I'll do some dates, you know And they go, okay, we're coming on tour and but we're gonna play misplaced childhood from front to to start back, right? The whole album Like the way you hear on the record And they go, okay, no problem and they do it and that's the show I saw I saw them open up on the power windows tour for rush and there you go The first two songs are the big hits and then everybody had to sit through the rest and the reason Markelly said they wanted to do it that way this way the audience does not get a chance to boo them Because the songs are all connected. So there's no stopping point It's kind of genius when you think about it This is probably one of the first times where with the exception of pink floyd Where each side represents One song in a way, right? And how he used to connect Well, fish fish uh used to introduce it that way they go We're playing this next song. It's this cut, you know, we basically said it's called side They'll look two songs side one and side two, you know Has there ever been but I want to ask you a question. Has there ever been a beautiful the more Uh, perfect segue than pseudo silk kimono to kelly to lavender Think of the connections between the songs. I don't think I've ever heard anything so seamlessly go from those three songs Yeah, it's it's beautifully done and It's not contrived and they're not I mean the album only runs about 45 minutes So they're not throwing in these long. How can we get from this key to the other? We've got here. It's just like simple motifs like you say from the end of kelly and lavender. It's just like three notes A piano motif to take it in um Yeah, it's super. I mean even listening to it last night my favorite track on the album back to childhood then which Comes, you know the second last song. I just love the the guitar It's kind of like a u2 type thing with the delays and stuff on it um Yeah, this album is phenomenal So I don't want people getting upset that it's number three, you know, it's These top three are all amazing album. You know, I remember for the first time hearing, uh, pseudo silk kimono into kelly Yeah, that just right when the guitar part that sort of that sort of delay on the guitar Right that sort of flanger and a delay right on it And then when fish comes in like he finally fine tuned his sound or the the producer sort of got him To to to connect with the masses Right kelly is such a beautiful song and and I could tell you this in montreal It was playing all the time on fm radio And then I went to florida With my parents back then it was even playing there And we're talking about during the day when I'm talking about obscure night time here It was really that big of a hit and then when they came with rush. I go. Oh my god This is like the best concert ever power windows and misplaced childhood All I saw was this massive like I wasn't too far from the stage, but this massive figure fish, you know This guy's big man. He's tall man. And it's just wow. What a what a great show I don't think I've ever seen a better two bands together in my opinion russian Marillion what a what a great package What a great package Yeah, that's what it's good. And I'm gonna say that to me time machine. Yeah bitter sweet Brief encounter long weekend blue angel misplaced ronnie with that part to me might be the best So from the first track the whole first side to me is like That is the best the best part for me on that album Yeah, all right, so there it is guys And by the way, kaley Think about this and back in the day Do you know how many people named their their daughter kaley because of that song? And it was a made-up name. I mean how amazing is that? I made it up as his girlfriend was called kaley. Yeah kaley someone, you know It was two separate names. They know it's not personal. They got into one name. So they're all right. K. A. Y. Ali A. G. Hitch How insane is that to invent a new name that thousands of people have that's right? That was named after that song because they like the name so much. All right, here we go That's just a little food for thought there We're getting really geeky on the marillion, you know tidbits here. All right All right, here's another one. Let me find it number two That is gonna upset people. This is good. Let's go upset people Marbles there it is marillion marbles Marbles, look at that. Let me see the one you have This is this is actually the 2cd version. What is that welcome the girls on it? Like what's the difference? That's the well, that's just a vinyl from a few years ago. Okay. I got I got the double package here You got the scary boy here and the scary other boy here. It's the same is the same boy. I don't know Yeah, that's a vinyl reissue from Well, it's got the booklet got the two cds beautiful. This is like a beautiful package So, yeah, so yeah, I I did the same on that one. That's uh, we both pre-ordered But but that's my vinyl reissue So, yeah, I feel that there's gonna be Straightest rocks been thrown right so queen bodisha is asking so the last album the space childhood was fish This is hogar. I think it's only fair to have a hogarth album in the top two and This album is Stunning absolutely stoning. I pronounce his name hogarth, but you pronounce it hogarth. I think it's hogarth Yeah, I think it is Um, this doesn't think I'm illiterate or anything which I am go ahead Uh, yeah, this album's a stunner from start to finish. It's got some of their best songs. It's a progressive album Um, it's a double album opens with the invisible man, which is I can't remember how many minutes But it's like 18 months long or something. Yeah, one of their most Motive tracks of all time. It's got ocean cloud on there, which is another sprawling epic it's got Don't hurt yourself. Which is a pop song which sees pete trawabez and steve rullery swapping instruments It's got never land one of the most popular songs of Of the hogarth era that closes it this album is just a stunner from start to finish Easily in my personal Top top two top three albums. Yeah, I would I would agree with you. I think when I This is like an a grower. I wouldn't recommend somebody who's never heard of marillian to pick up this one It's kind of like brave in a sense. You know, you really have to be already into the band to appreciate this album I don't know if that makes sense You know, yeah, I think I'd agree I mean if you're if you want to pick up your first hogarth album Probably the easiest one to get into would be afraid of sunlight or holidays in need and maybe Um, you know the shorter kind of poppier tracks and you can just pick them up a little more You kind of need to invest in in these and they're a lot more Deep and musical and you know, that's not to say that the other ones aren't but um Yeah, it's it's the you're right They wouldn't it wouldn't be the most easiest album to get into but once you do get in You know what I remember when this album was released and I keep forgetting There's a single called you're gone Which is like the sort of like the melodic track or the single off the album very melodic, right? So merlion was probably one of the first bands to use the internet to get the fans or participation Either to finance albums or push singles and I think you're gone They got the fans to sort of buy that single on whatever it was what platform amazon or whatever it was at the time And even though it was a huge push by the fan base They're sort of they weren't registering on the charts because there was some sort of I guess The big boys in the record companies don't like it when you know Well, it was an orchestrated well gets you know Well, no it was an orchestrated campaign So, you know, it's like you're playing a pop-up master and they got into trouble But no it it was allowed and they got a top 10 single in the uk with It was on three cd Three cd But then it was the album that didn't register because there were certain stickers on it or some some crazy thing that happened If anybody remembers please tell me very jazzy feel on this album in terms of songs. You've got a lot of the You know for me too the invisible man genie The damage which they still play today, right? And you're gone another song that they put in their set list when you hear this album live I think there's a little more of the It's a better experience I think Um, I'm just looking at metal madness here has said that he prefers Brave over marbles. That's something that I wrestled with for a long time because there's similar albums You could compare them because of the whole concept kind of thing the longer running double album type concept I I would say it's only in the last kind of five or six years that I have Swayed towards marbles, but I think they they're almost like companion pieces No, I don't mean that literally but you could put one on put the other on and you would think They set well together. Yeah, I agree with you and I think this is again This is a grower over time exactly what you said. It's a very loose concept of people losing their marbles or their mind, right? So that's kind of like where it's at This is not your first buy on a merillion album And it takes I would say it takes years to fully appreciate the musicianship the songwriting The lyrics and everything, you know on on that so But well worth number two um Let's get to number one Hang on. Can anyone guess? If people can type in what they think Maybe we should talk about some honorable mentions. Okay, everybody Tell us what your number one album should be take a guess And in the meantime, we'll talk about some other great albums that they have go ahead Yeah, well because one of the ones that I wanted to put in there, but but how to get elbowed out by an arachnophobia was this strange engine Which is from their castle years their wilderness years um The I think it's I think I mean you talked about this in this period jimmy They have albums that have some phenomenal songs That are coupled with let's just say not Some not phenomenal songs on there. Um, this album is a great case in point because you've got a stonia You've got man of a thousand faces. You've got the title track but then you get something like hope for the future which I interviewed steve rothery five or six years ago and asked him if there was any one merlion song He could vary he pointed straight away to hope for the future so I think yeah that one merlion.com is another one. You've got something like deserve on there. You could go um But then it's got other tracks on there that just Don't match up. Yeah A man of a thousand faces might be one of the greatest merlion songs ever You know, it's got a multi layer on the vocals and it's just a sort of like a dynamic Vocal delivery right as it builds and builds. So if anybody has never heard any steve hogarth albums Just put on that song And you know, if you're into the sort of brit pop prog then that's definitely One of their greatest So there's something that annoyed me about man of a thousand faces and still does Is that line when he sings when I talk to god? I no longer stand. I mean that's straight from oh well by fleetwood mack, isn't it? You know what, you know, it's interesting. Uh, okay clutching at straws is what knuckle dragon saying Loopy's saying clutching at straws, you know, we should get steve on here And he could tell us about his merlion experience with iron maiden Mm-hmm steve if you want to jump on i'll send you a link you get to jump on and tell us about merlion iron maiden quickly It's up to you If you're not ready, then it's okay Have you ever met steve? steve loopy Rody number one. He had a badge rody number one I finished reading this book about a month ago. Okay, i know steve tell me if you want to jump on I'll send you a link and you could have you on Just give me the okay. All right everybody guess What is number one my voice is going as you can see or here? um What do you think is the top merlion album that we're going to mention here? Any other honorable mentions what let me take a look at my stuff here Look, I would say an honorable mention is all their live albums Yeah That's where they are At their strongest live What do you think one of your favorite live albums by them? Remember I said the first one I ever got was rail to rail and I was like, what the hell is this? What is this? Well, that's a live album. Yeah, there's some great live albums from them I would say that they're all one tonight the real albert hall show from the from the fair tour amazing Legazaladra is the theven magpie from 1908 great live album Even made again from 96 I think they do the whole brave on there. That's a great live album But there can only be number one number one and the number one is radiation everybody radiation we said So thanks for watching Hold on. Hold on. I'm getting this ready here. Just in case. No radiation. That's the number one I think we Like so me and Jimmy before we get to the number one We we we were more or less in agreement here. Although you could have had a different number one Yeah, I spoke to a friend of mine radio DJ here in the uk He had this album Could be number one on par with one of the other albums Um I think a lot of people know what it is a lot of people have said it and I had no problem placing this at number one In fact, this was my personal number one. All right, here we go. You ready? Let's just let's cut to the chase here Enough screwing around We're still driving. Oh, there we go. I'm we're clutching us clutching at straws They just came out of the re-release. They just did the luxe edition for clutching at straws. There you are, right? Yeah, that was last year. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah this for you folks out there was Purchased right when it came out And if you look on the back You got fish over here, right? Right And you got john lennon over here. Isn't that weird john lennon was actually in the picture He was there He sings back in vocals. That's right What else is on this? Oh james dean you got james dean here, right? Yeah, not here james dean over here, right? And this guy over here is I can't see It's the guy with the sailor hat. Who was that? That's papai. Yeah, good old papai. I love papai. And then here we have the gesture at the bar, right? Oh, that's torch. That's the torch. That's his torch. He's a 29 year old uh singer Who's touring around You know being a terrible father deadbeat dad Right wonder if it's based on anyone My advice is If you persist with this lifestyle you will not You will not reach 30. Yeah, I won't reach 30 Yeah, I won't reach 30 fish to continue this lifestyle. You won't reach 30 Suppose it's part of the heritage That's right. Yeah All right, so there you go man. Tell me about this This album's just killer. I can put this on again and again and again. You have to remember again when we go back Uh to the start of this video. I got into Morellian through Steve Hogarth area through the Through it was all about Hogarth for me cover my eyes the space No one can All those singles sympathy. So for me to have this as my number one album I think is almost shocking because I'm such coming from a The Hogarth side but this album is just phenomenal hotel hobbies the intro The musicianship on that just that arpeggiated keyboard coming in and then those beautiful the guitars Xylophone at the being It's probably a keyboard. It's probably a keyboard that's actually I think it's just like an arpeggio thing. But anyway, it's It's amazing Man, was I just saying it? Yeah, it is killer Absolutely killer. I think this takes the blueprint of what you were talking about the way it all joins up in this space childhood And just brings it up a level um I mean stuff like that time of the night. It's so dramatic um Going under a torch song is one of my favorites um Listen to white russian Wow, yeah, wow. Wow, you know, it's sort of it. It's sort of parallels the whole Nazi oppression right back in the day right with the way he feels and Warm wet circles the uh The sort of triple meanings behind that, you know with a you know, I don't want to get into it all But there's a few meetings on the warm wet circles. You might want to just look into the lyrics on that Yeah from everything in a bar right the warm wet circle of the drink To sort of the anatomy of a woman, you know warm wet circle and to Uh a few other kisses from a mother warm wet circle and so on and so on right? um And yeah, just yeah, I mean this is this is Morellian's brick and op album. No, this was the last album before fish left the bond and I mean I I interviewed fish once and he told me one of the tracks on there. He's like, that's my resignation statement It's the if you asked me where did I go from here? You know my next explanation isn't even really that clear. It's just it's dry. Yeah Yeah, it says a motion writ large there um, but to come out with such a killer album When that band has fallen apart at that stage, it's just That's beyond me to be honest with you. It's just something else in communicato Like, you know, they were back to that hard rock and song And at the same time the lyrics man, you know a citizen of lego land, right? It's just that sort of whole Washed I wouldn't call it washed up musician, but I would say sort of like It's kind of portrays like a b-level musician sort of trying to get Through right that at the same time struggling with alcoholism, right? So You know, uh sugar mice The ballad, you know, that sort of so that that's Arguably, I've talked a lot about guitar. So it's arguably Steve Rothery's best solo Again, I interviewed him a few years ago around the time this was reissued And I asked him about that solo and he said that came as a result of him having a row with the engineer Guy called was it chris kimsley? Yeah, it's chris kimsley and we should also see all the artwork Mark wilkinson, right? Does all this all the fish era artwork and he also went with fish onto a solo career and did the artwork there for a while Yeah, so he yeah, that that was um So, uh, rothery told me that he actually left the band for 24 hours during the recording That's because he fell out. You know, there was a big blow-up over this album He's like fuck it. I'm off but he's asked to come back and chris kimsley Criticized his playing on the album and he went in and recorded that solo to sugar rice with a direct result You can see that on And not to not to blatantly plug my website, but you can see that one of the interviews I have on that's okay You can plug away. Don't worry. Well only on music.co.uk, but um It just shows it just shows what the band were under what pressure internal pressures They were under at the time that they made this so to come out with something that's good As that I mean, I think it's a fitting send off to that era off the band Stranger enough, you know fish I'd like to ask him, you know, you know a lot of times are always asked. He's always asked, you know, why did he leave the band The management, I think he he gave it ultimatum to the band says either it's me or the management, right at the time And the band said, okay, we're going with management, you know, and and That's kind of you felt like he was being pushed too much Too much touring those album cycles going back and forth He had enough, you know, he had enough and maybe again, I I would I'm just paraphrasing what I've read About him, right? I've never asked him this Would like to yeah, well But yeah, they talk of the management thing, but obviously there was a kind of I mean if Steve Rosary left and came back I know there was beef between fish and mark kelly to mark kelly He's on the vigil album cover somewhere along with the manager But I I know this from having spoken to fish in the interview and he's gone on record and saying it fish said it to me and I can hear it in his I can hear the way he said it. He goes it was a bitter divorce. That's what he said to me it was Better divorces are not nice things, you know, I've never been through all myself But when you put it in that terminology that was not a hobby split Strange enough, you know when they came back to Montreal on the clutching at straws tour They weren't opening for russia anymore. They were doing bigger theaters so And you know, it's even weirder About marillian. They've never really had those massive tours when you think of iron man you think of, you know Massive north american tours. They never really did these Unless I'm mistaken about this but there was never this massive non-stop North american tours they did tour north america, but it was not on that scale on that level Probably because things fell apart, you know with fish in 89 or 88 whenever it was It's tough, you know, they've been working hard since you know 82, right? And you know, it takes its toll on people And I'm sure it wasn't easy to fill fish's shoes regardless, you know, I mean that that's actually That's a great point. I mean 82 through to 88 Yeah, like four or five years and what a phenomenal outfit strip registers here from fugazi misplaced childhood And clutching at straws. I mean, I don't want anyone watching this to misunderstand, you know, the lower placing You know that that those other all that's okay. What we say is is is is is what's right, so it's okay It's the rule of law. That's how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely gonna settle that, you know Who's the best frontman fish or or or hogar? Yeah, that's what we're here to do Yes, we're gonna set the record straight on the best albums 10 albums of marillian but yeah Like, you know, think about it. Like it's exactly what you said. You're touring all the time. You're cranking out albums. You're writing songs You know, we're all human, right? And when the management keeps pushing and pushing and pushing. Well You're gonna get burned out. You're gonna cause tensions and it's not a one. It's not a one-on-one marriage here We're talking about like, you know, You know four or five guys, right at the time. Is it five one of the keyboard and tire based drums? Yeah five And they obviously want to, you know record companies and they're within the right to milk that Cash cow, whatever it may be at the time, you know, so more dates more albums more singles, whatever I can only imagine as I say, that's like four or five year period And this pan just gets bigger and bigger and bigger You know, especially that album coming on the back of the place childhood Which give them a number two single in the uk they played their biggest date ever they did Milton Keynes ball over here. It's a huge outdoor show I can only imagine that, you know, that house to cars was Bound for collapse wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, maybe they should I think they needed a break if they would have taken a break Things would have settled But it is and they've said that themselves. Yeah, they've said that themselves as well But I mean they've both gone on to have separate careers now You know That's given us two Two versions really, you know fish still does the old meridian stuff Meridian do it from time to time. They've played a lot of these albums in their entirety at their conventions As Steve Rothery is doing it now with his srb cbrothery band. So It's all still out there and if you want to see it live, you can You know fish And I remember when again in 89 or whatever it was when fish were 90. I can't remember when he came out with this vigil There was a lot of problems. I remember I was working in a record store and we received all the posters but then the date was sort of pulled and pushed back and You could see there was problems something was going on and Meridian comes out with theirs But fish doesn't come out with his and that's delayed and then it was never released Sort of pushed By the company in a big way The fish and then you kind of he went off the radar because nobody knew that he was coming out of the soul album You had big Yeah, he was he was on was a poly door records. He was on for that first Yeah, yeah, because I mean you kind of a conflict of interest. They're they're both an emi, right? What do we do first? Who do we you know, you know, it's going to see as an officer them, you know But he went to poly door but he took mark welkison with him. So vigil has That cover artwork is not a stone's throw away from the traditional Meridian artwork whereas they as we said with seasons end they went with something completely Completely different on that. Yep Well, there you have it folks the top 10 meridian meridian albums And that is our top 10 which holds for the world's top 10 meridian albums because what we say is what is right It is the law Anyways, tell us your top 10 unless you already have if you haven't listened to meridian And you want to jump into the fire, you know, I'd say fugazi I would say anarachnophobia seasons end Uh, what else did we say? watching at straws watching that straws, you know, brilliant album Brilliant. Yeah. Yeah, and then when you all sort of settled into meridian Then you get into marbles and brave and uh fear All right. Yeah, but don't give up but keep in mind don't give up on the band so quickly We're in a very disposable era Where if you don't like the first 30 seconds of something you'll never listen to it again This is something you put on the background You listen to you enjoy put on the headphones and listen to it and fall along with the lyrics. Okay, so That's about it Anything else? That is yeah, no, it's it. Yeah, I think I think you're right I mean I think the main thing that says that we're both fans of both eras. There's no bias. That's right. Either of us here We've got all the albums. We've got the radiations and the dot coms. We own them all so you know, uh I don't I think we're both coming at this from From from the most an impartial kind of pov if that's uh the best way to put it Stuart saying great show guys. Thanks. If I don't see you before amen. I'll see you at sd 22 You're all in Dave's dream. See you there and uh metal mad is saying metal voice is the law. Yes, it is What does toddler right the story saying in his top 10? Marillion? I bet you taught hasn't heard a marillion song Maybe kaley and it's not his thing, but it's okay. There's nothing wrong with that It's some you and I have been diehard fans. So that's what this is all about, right? It's uh It's about express will look I don't say this way said at the beginning I do a lot of shows and I know you do a lot of write-ups and sometimes it's not something we want to do it's sort of like we're doing favors and We're doing interviews and this is sort of all about us. That's what I'm trying to say not to say though Those aren't fun. I'm just saying this is all about us Oh, yeah, we're totally indulging ourselves here. We're loving every man. I don't know Last night it was more alien. It was Brilliant fast We were having our own brilliant fast and it was it was it was very interesting All right, man. Good stuff. Thanks guys. Thank you everybody tuning in Bye-bye