 I'd like to call the 25th regular meeting of the 2017 18 common counsel to order with the clerk Please read the quote for the day. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Don't wait for the right opportunity Create it Thank you with the clerk. Please call the roll. There are 13 present all the person's bidders and Lewandowski are excused all the person Ballinger is not excused. Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next we'll move on to the approval of the minutes from our last council meeting all the person wolf Thank You Mary make a motion to approve second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes item 4.1 and 4.5 a resignation, so I'll turn it over to the city attorney 1.4 is a resignation by Henry Nelson submitting his resignation from the Mead Public Library Board of Trustees effective March 23 2018 and 1.5 is a resignation From Pete Fullerton submitting his resignation from the City of Sheboygan Board of Review effective March 22 2018 Thank You all the person wolf. Thank You Mary make a motion To accept and file both 1.4 and 1.5 second Thank you for that motion and support all those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next is public forum City clerk there is no one tonight. Thank you Next we'll move on It's a it's a presentation by Alderperson Susan whole shoe on the Sheboygan County opiate problem Susan's been researching this for the better part of a year and a half to two years And she's got some very important information to share with us today And you should have a packet on your desk with the information as well Thank You all who helped me get the information I bought to present and thank you for me for allowing me to present This is an uncomfortable topic This is a topic with no defined course of action to prevent it but to eliminate it when I'm going to share with you today Are the end results of polysubstance toxicity? heroin fentanyl and cocaine addiction in Sheboygan County My report is on the deaths due to that epidemic. I'm at a disadvantage. I don't know which one's up there Okay The mentally and behavior of drug addicts and alcoholics is wholly irrational Until you understand that they are completely powerless over their addiction unless they have structured help They have no hope. That's a quote from Russell brand Next slide not all deaths are investigated by the medical examiner just a few and this Sheep of information tells you which ones the corner looks into the county has a list of all the deaths and this is the reasons why the corner would do an autopsy I Can read each of those but I think you can read them. That isn't as important as the rest of the information Sheboygan County deaths investigation from 2008 to March 15th of 2018 I started this report when we started to have the ambulance service You can see how many deaths we've had in Sheboygan County and how many of them have been because of overdoses When I began to do this study I Asked for information and found it to be unavailable The only way I could get the information was to investigate and review each and every corner's report from 2008 until March 15th of 2018 I've broken down the information I've obtained into different categories and I've also Included an attached to complete information. I obtained throughout my research in its complete form How many medical examination Investigations were related to drug overdose as you can see how many were each year and how many were related to drug Overdoses 2015 we had 25 in 2017 we had 18 in 2018 and we're in the month of March According to the corner we have nine so we have half of what we had last year already this year How many of the drug overdoses were accidental and how many were intentional? Intentional would be suicide accidental would be Bad dope and you can see the numbers here and on the very last one for 2018 five were not intentional That was an error There were nine that were accidental as far as I know from the corner because we haven't gotten the reports back And our worst year was 2016 the next few slides or sheets are just I broke down every year What city they happened in how many happened how many were intentional how many were accidental in each county in Sheboygan each city in Sheboygan and was all the way up to 2017 as I said in 2018. I didn't have the coroner's reports to look at I sat with the corner and he told me how many we had this year and the reports weren't in the book yet Then I wondered is there an age group that's more affected by drug addiction and overdose and you can clearly see there's not So it's all the way up to 50s 60s one was 72 Then I wondered was one marital status more affected by drug overdoses It really isn't mostly single people overdose But it really it it doesn't tell you does the time of year impact overdoses not so much in 2015 we had five in September now in 2018 we're in March and we have nine already so I don't know how that will play out The next slide do overdose deaths tend to be gender specific are there more men than female that commit suicide or Using drug a dose overdose or just overdosing It looks like males do it more than females, but it's pretty even across the board The rest of the sheets in your report You'll find lists of all the drugs and all these drugs that I have listed on this report Were all drugs that were found in the toxicity reports on every single One of the corners reports and then after you get to that you're going to find the actual Meet of this whole report You'll see the date that it happened. I did not use anyone's name. They're numbers No, I'll correlate if you're to go to the county and sit and look at all the death certificates as to What case number they would be and you can see how they've died Last year we had two gunshot murders. Oh, and they were drug. They had to do with drugs as well It goes on and on and on and on So the information that I researched for years Did not give me any answers or point me to any cause or cure It just was very sad. It was probably the saddest thing that Excuse me never did I Was hoping that would give me insight on how to stop the addiction and it just didn't What am I about to show you is a video of two actual drug overdoses and the information about drug overdosing If you are fainse apart do not watch this There is cursing in it. So if you don't want little children to see this Please don't watch this report And then I just have a small thing to say afterwards. Thank you Loxone generic equivalent to Narcan every year you see it in the movies you see it people talk about on the street, but We distribute the Loxone She's the same as Narcan just generic and Cheaper It only works on opiates heroin morphine oxycontin percocet Delauded Vicodin methadone coding norco Not cocaine opiate out of the picture It's always helpful. So even if somebody if you think somebody's doing more than one substance Eliminating the opiate only Could help remember the day that Mike told me he Was an addict. He actually came home with a bottle of Narcan and told me what it was told me how to use it and I was glad because then I have the opportunity to actually use the Narcan and save his life Opini did his hit. I'm mixing up mine and I look over at him and he's like really not it touch him Okay, he says yeah, I'm alright and then a couple two minutes later saying saying baby, okay Yeah, he's he's fine. That's what he said and then I remember him just Going backwards on that bed I'm the floor and I just remember jumping across the table. I took my knuckles across his chest bone across his lips and he Nothing no response and when I got down to him, I could see his lips were blue And I thought oh shit it is for real. He's dying So what we flipped him on his side leaned his mouth out made sure he had nothing in his mouth Got him on his back, you know tilted his head what you're supposed to I did two quick breaths like you're supposed to do into his mouth and I wasn't thinking straight. So the air came right back out his nose because I forgot to pinch his nose So then I had to do it again pinch his nose and two quick breaths And then what you guys had to go get the Narcan The Narcan I loaded up one CC which is all you're really supposed to give them You know you can just go right through the clothing So I did I just hit him right in the in the upper arm that muscle up there Fact your OD might come back, which is why why you and I had to stay with him for a couple hours You stayed with him a long time Hit him hit him once in the ass and It took about About three to five minutes, you know He took that big gas for bear Once you hear that, you know, it's It's gonna be all good From my experience anyway, you know Fucking shot me with this shit and took all my dope away in her bed. Oh my god I said I need a bed to people in the film that really overdosed was the first fellow and the gal that woke up pissed off that Her high was gone. Those were actual overdoses These addictions are epic proportions and a crisis in our country if the number of overdose deaths Were equated to the flu or any other medical problem We would have funding available and we'd be able to have help for these people But because it's a drug problem. I don't think we're getting the help that we need. I Can't tell you how many people have overdosed and lived. I cannot tell you how many people are drug users I cannot tell you how many crimes have been committed because of drugs and I wish I could tell you the solution Together we can work towards the answers that work Please tell me if this is Gonna happen one day or if this is gonna be day one Thanks This is what Narcan looks like. I think our police and fire department use the spray And they don't use the needle one I want to bring awareness to everybody that we have an epidephal problem in our whole country and we have a problem in Sheboygan County, although We have a pretty good Pretty good police department that's handling along with our fire department our fire department distributed Narcon 39 times in 2007 48 times in 2006 and 56 times in 2015 and now anyone can get Narcon at the pharmacy So most drug users when they're together and doing their drugs someone has the Narcan It's like a designated driver. Now we have a designated Narcan giver So thanks so much for listening and I appreciate it took a lot of my life to do this, but I'm glad I did Thank you very much for sharing that information Next we'll go on to the mayor's announcements. I'd like to invite a Larry Helmer to join me up here at the podium Officer Helmer is a Sheboygan native a graduate of South High School He earned his an associate's degree in history from UW Sheboygan a bachelor's degree in history with a minor in economics In a bachelor's degree in business administration from Lakeland College After graduation from college Larry had a strong interest in law enforcement Who was not eligible for employment as a police officer due to a straight a site restriction that was in place at that time Larry still chased his calling by volunteering to be an auxiliary officer with the Sheboygan police department for nine years When the site requirements for police officers were changed Larry applied for a police officer position He could have looked elsewhere, but he was committed to working in Sheboygan Larry graduated from the recruit Academy at Lakeshore Technical Institute and was hired as a Sheboygan police officer on September 15th of 1986 as part of his duties Larry was trained and certified as an emergency medical technician an ambulance attendant and worked on the Ambulance when the police department provided ambulance service He assisted in developing the mobile data terminal program for use in the Sheboygan police department and therefore could be Considered an early adopter in the information age Throughout his career Larry has maintained a professional image a kind and courteous demeanor and has taken pride in being knowledgeable About the neighborhoods he has been assigned to patrol He's always first to work Regularly receives letters and notes of thanks from citizens and never receives complaints He takes great pride in serving the citizens of Sheboygan and being a member of the Sheboygan police department After almost 32 years of service Larry will be retiring on April 6th And he plans to spend more time with his family, especially the two grandchildren that are here with them tonight We share our congratulations on a job well done and wish him the best in retirement Larry if you want to just come around here I'd like to present you the certificate of appreciation from the city of Sheboygan And honored to present you the certificate for 31 years of dedicated service and employee of the Sheboygan police department From September 15th of 1986 through April 6th 2018 congratulations Larry and all the best I would just like to say thank you to everyone I Enjoyed being a member of the Sheboygan police department. There's another department. I'd want to work for There are so many great people with the department that I know will continue after me again. Thank you very much Well yesterday was the spring election and I want to thank the clerk's office The poll workers for their work to conduct the election yesterday Thanks to the candidates for their interest in serving as an elected official and my congratulations to the winners in the various races This was a historic election for the city of Sheboygan It's the first time in well over half a century that the entire council has been up for election at one time We've always had alternate years with only half of the council up each year And it's also historic due due to the fact that we're downsizing from the 16 to the 10 members Um, I've also sent a preference survey out in the mail for all of the elected alder persons Um, I request that you return those those surveys by uh, april 10th And then um, I'll be setting up interviews with each of you to go over to your preferences As as I prepare the appointments for the council meeting on april 17th Well, you have a document in blue on your desk about the mayor's water challenge This will be conducted during the month of april and we're asking citizens to consider making a pledge to conserve water And energy use in their homes in conjunction with the Wayland foundation and the Sheboygan water utility There's a link to the water pledge on the banner ad on our city website There's also a hazardous recycling date set up at maywood on saturday april 14th From 8 o'clock until 11 o'clock fees will be charged to recycle various items If for more information you can see the city newsletter and again the Sheboygan insider newsletter is available on the city website Next tuesday april 10th is the deadline to register for the landlord training program to be held on april 24th From 5 30 to 9 30 at the Sheboygan police department And on your desk you have copies of the two developers agreements for the armory That are being referred to finance and personnel so you can study those And you also have a copy of the borrowing resolution that is being referred as well for your For you to read over. Thank you Next we'll go on to the consent agenda that'll include items 2.2 through 2.16 all the person will Thank you mayor. I make a motion to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances Second thank you for your motion and support. Is there any discussion on any of the items in the consent agenda? Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll for passage I'm sorry all their person down here just briefly With respect to 2.10. I just wanted to and I know we all thank plastics engineering for their grants For three years in a row of $20,000 each year towards our fourth of july uh celebration and I just think that's a wonderful Contribution from Thank you for those comments All the person born did you have okay The clerk please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes Under reports of officers item 3.1 through 3.6 will be referred to various committees Under resolutions items 4.1 through 4.7 will again be referred to various committees Under reports of committees item 5.1 is rc number 264 of 1718 by the public works committee To members referred resolution number 161 of 1718 By all the person wolf authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into contract with pts Contractors incorporated for the south point enterprise campus for 10 million five hundred 28,000 $444 and 15 cents and recommends that the attached substitute resolution be passed all the person wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass first The substitute resolution Second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? All the person holds you I wonder if someone could just explain it so that people who are listening understand what For the south point enterprise campus The south chad, would you like to come forward so that there's everyone So as you recall last late last year We bought land on south business drive from wilson land holdings and alliant energy About 110 acres or so We already own some property down there known as a compost site of about 57 acres so phase one is to install the utilities and roads related to Developing that out to a new business center. So the new business center's name is going to be south point enterprise campus and The bid estimate in the tiff plan late last year was about 14.8 million The bids came in at 10.5 million. So it's about four million less than what was anticipated The contractors from green bay. This will get basically the site ready With roads utilities and grading This will be borrowed money through tid 18 paid back from increment generated from new development In that park. This is phase one of the project phase two The project is to ultimately connect South taylor drive with where south taylor ends today through a property known as the berkey property And those negotiations there's a document later on in the agreement But those negotiations are continuing for ultimately an expansion of this to about 400 acres long term but right now it gives us the opportunity of about 130 to 40 acres to develop Um When this project is done later this year Thank you, chad Any other discussion Seeing none will the clerk. Please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes Item 5.2 is rc. Number 265 of 1718 by the public works committee to whom was referred Director referral resolution number 162 of 1718 by alderperson wolf authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract with quash's construction of shabuagan wisconsin For the city hall renovation project for 8,994,199 Dollars and recommends passing the resolution alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass the resolution Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Alderperson borne Thank you, mayor. We had Three bids on this city hall project And I was glad to see that a local firm quash has got it and Second was joe schmid and sons, but I'm glad to see that this contract goes to a local business. Thank you Thank you for your comments Any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk. Please call the roll 13 eyes motion passes Item 5.3 is rc number 266 of 1718 by the public works committee to whom was referred direct refer Resolution number 163 of 1718 by alderperson wolf authorizing the purchasing agent To enter into a contract for the removal and disposal of all asbestos Canotating materials from city hall and the city hall garage in preparation for the city hall renovation project And recommends that the attached substitute resolution be passed alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass substitute resolution second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Alderperson borne Thank you, mayor And looking at this at finance and personnel there were six bids that our purchasing agent bernie romer got all For the bid that was accepted for around $60,000 up to around $240,000 So I was glad to see that there was six bids and I think bernie did an outstanding job in acquiring these bids and with that range. We're very fortunate to have this done for 60,000. Thank you Thank you for your comments any other discussion Seeing none will the clerk. Please call the roll 13 eyes motion passes Items 5.4 through 5.29 are all Claims are legal things that are going to be referred to various committees of the new council Under general ordinances Item 6.1 is general ordinance 41 of 1718 by alderperson wolf placing a stop sign at the southwest corner of north 25th street in pennsylvania avenue Alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor We're looking to suspend and pass this ordinance due to already Having an approved through the committee level. Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed So we're looking to pass the ordinance. There's no need for this to go back to committee second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Alderperson sorenson I'm just kind of curious Has there been discussion from neighbors? For the purpose of their stop sign. Has this been a busy intersection? I'm not too familiar with north 25th and pennsylvania avenue. Just A little thinking about that. I'm curious Alderperson So vaglio I can shed a little bit of light on that I've heard from numerous neighbors through canvassing that that is a site for of several accidents over the past few years It's uncontrolled now and it's a three-way intersection With no no control. Okay. Thank you Any other discussion? Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes Item 6.2 through 6.4 will be referred to the public works committee Then next is other matters After the agenda was published city attorney Thank you, mayor 7.1 is a resolution by elder persons donahue and boron providing for the sale of general obligation promissory notes and bond anticipation notes For 2018 capital projects That will be referred to the finance and personnel committee 7.2 is a resolution by elder person wolf Declaring the official intent to reimburse expenditures from proceeds of borrowing That'll be referred to the public works committee 7.3 is a resolution by all the persons donahue and wolf Authorizing demolition of the shabuigan armory provision to return the site in its entirety to green space and allowance for further development opportunities that may present in the future That'll be referred to the finance and personnel committee 7.4 is a resolution by all the persons donahue and boron Approving the terms and conditions of the contract for sale of land for private development between the city of shabuigan and scott crofford ink For a project on the armory site, which will be a mixed use building comprised of retail commercial space and market rate and affordable residential apartments Tonight we have some representatives of scott crofford ink with us and in the past they haven't been able to Participate in the public forum And so i'd like to give them an opportunity to come to the podium and explain a little bit about their project Good evening everyone I don't want to take up too much of your time But i haven't got a chance to speak before so i just wanted to give a little background about myself Again, my name is q. Ella main. I'm a Milwaukee native and my first Experience in shabuigan was actually coming up playing basketball We used to always scrimmage shabuigan north before the season started and they used to always beat us really badly They had a very good press that they used to put on and I could count for a couple of turnovers going with their press But since that time graduate of university of wisconsin madison Then went on to give my master's degree at chicago state university in geography And I started in real estate in 2006 I started with doing smaller developments and those were like single family homes It was the height of the market during that time I kind of rolled the wave until it went down. That's when I went back and got my master's degree I started another company called young enterprise society, which teaches Entrepreneurship based on science technology engineering arts and math All you guys have seen my proposal and what it includes But I just wanted to give you a couple updates since the original proposal One thing that we did is we did reduce the amount of tiff that was asked to 1.7 million Additionally, we increased affordability. So now we have 50 market rate units at 50 affordable units Additionally, we reduced the flex space, which was originally retail Everyone said we don't need retail down there. So we did reduce that from about 9,000 square feet to 2400 square feet and We also obtained a market analysis from baker tilly, which is a counting firm Showing the need for more affordable and market rate housing in shabuigan And with these units coming on in two years, it'll be a need for that during that time So that's what I've been working on at the the april 9th meeting I'll be able to bring my whole team with me Also my co-developer, which is to narrow a chrysler rent while i'm working with a green fire construction And the whole uh, gambit So you'll be able to hear from them and seeing that I wrap myself with a strong team along the way So again, I just want to say thank you guys for the opportunity To at least present our fee here in shabuigan and any questions, you know, please let me know We've got a couple of questions. First of all, all the person wolf. Thank you, mayor Could you please just for the audience Explain the definition of market rate? Yeah So market rate units is Units that are just a general whatever whatever a counting firm says the price and the market can handle Then that's the price is set affordable is a price that is set Based upon the county median income Would you be able to maybe give an example of what market rate would be for this for this model? Yes So we're looking at one bedroom units starting at about 1100 1200 dollars for a one bedroom Okay Thank you. Uh, other person boring Thank you for your your comments tonight I do have something that's going to be helpful Would be helpful for me on Monday night. I'm on the finance and personnel committee And that is with your blend of market rate and Lower lower apartments What what i'm going to need is i'm going to need something from a financial institution your bank Saying that that mix of 50 50 Is going to be our right for you to get the loan that you're requiring I believe it was 12 million dollars. Is that right in the proposal? Yes And and I believe in your original packet of information. There was a letter from a bank of interest But my concern is with that mix of 50 50 Whether that bank is still Interested and if they can give you a little more firm commitment on whether you're going to be able to get the loan That would be very helpful to me on monday Okay, thank you Thank you. Aller person holds you Thank you Conventional property is is not governed by Anything other than market and market in shabuagan for a one bedroom is an 1100 dollars. It's much less than that But affordable rate housing is subsidized housing is wita projects is federal Funded projects correct so you want a mix low income with Conventional on one site if if you look at the the units that are in Other cities such as downtown milwaukey, which the rental market is higher It is it's affordable. It's not subsidized housing So the government does not pay a monthly subsidy to the rent to lower the rent It's a tax credit model where tax credits are used to finance the project. So it's a set amount So currently it's that 60 of the county median income, which is right around 30 thousand dollars So it'd be people that'll that'll make starting at 30 thousand dollars if you have more than one person in the household That goes up. So you're gonna have to have a job. You're gonna have to have a decent job to have these So it's not it's not sure. I see your face. It's not your 30 income levels It's your 60 income levels that would be included at the uh on the site So you're saying they're tax credit property then like sunny side town homeless is a tax credit property I I don't know what sunny side town homes, but if you look at and you can write this down The north end in downtown milwaukey is a good example of an affordable of a mix With affordable and market rate and you see that as kind of mandated all over the country right now I'd be curious to see your financials that that they'd be willing to mix those two tax credit as well as conventional and then i'm wondering if if As as um alderman born has asked me to bring that if you would bring Your um experiences and references for all the developments that you personally have been involved in That would be beneficial to read that not flips of houses But developments. Yes. Thank you Thank you for those questions alderperson sarnson pass Pass. Yeah alderperson dinehugh I think it is important at least from the preliminary materials that I read to Understand that affordable housing may start at 30,000 But the typical range of income of people living in affordable housing is 35 to 45 thousand dollars a year I'm afraid we've started to demonize the project in some respects by saying that poor people are going to be moving in I object to the demonization of low-income people in any context But in any event it's not applicable for this project And I I think we just need to keep that in mind In for any alarms that have been sounded by caravans of low-income people moving into the neighborhood I object to that concept, but in any event that's not That's really not what's going to be happening. And so I I just think that we need to to kind of keep that in mind um And then with respect to alder whole shoes request um I guess it would be helpful for me to know As I analyze mr. Amin's team Whether we have ever used this team concept before in terms of developing projects within the city Or have we in the past only hired one contractor who does not work with anybody else He might hire an architect or something like that Just so we can keep that in context I understand that mr. Amin has a fairly extensive team of people that he is working with If that's highly unusual, I think we should know about it if it's a kind of common course of business I think that would be helpful to our analysis as well Thank you for your comments and thank you very much for your presentation So this document we have I'm sorry all the person sorenson. Yes, my question is regarding 7.3 I'm just curious. I know at a few meetings ago. We kind of were whittling down and working on 7.4 and 7.5 I think the council agreed upon that we were focusing Working with the scot Crawford group in the army Community project. I'm curious and if someone can explain to me how 7.3 kind of came up to fruition and Why this is being kind of discussed as an option? I thought we were moving down the ways of just two proposals and not a third one popping up again Or fourth however you interpret it all the person down here Thank you for the opportunity to explain I think we can all agree that this has been a fairly tough decision-making process And for the elders who will be leading the council Know that you will leave having made a decision. So I think you know That's good. That's good news I have had substantial concerns about The viability of both projects quite frankly I think the armory project is in a good position to refurbish the armory And we will then have a building that will be underutilized. It will be protected by national historic registry Designation which will make it very difficult for the city to attempt to Do something new with the building? It has many pluses. It has some very significant minuses And I think the same thing happens with the scot Crawford proposal It is putting as I view from the drawings 10 pounds of apartments and a five pound parcel and I just don't like the way it looks I don't have the concerns that other council members have Expressed particularly after I read the proposal that was sent to us It's clear to me that mr. Elemine has a very sophisticated and competent group of people that he's working with But nonetheless, I just don't know and I usually don't have trouble making decisions But the decision that I was made was to give us another alternative Which is to tear the buildings down We have approved that We have a contract for demolition Smooth it over make it look like the field of dreams, right? Just a big green field with Right, it could be like the field of you know a big green space with grass and nothing more But then to encourage developers who may decide to come in And present proposals that we may want to consider We may want to always leave it as a green space. I don't think so But my idea was that if if a majority of us can't agree on one or the other Then this is a possible way of dealing with the issue Yeah, it may be on april 16th that one proposal or the other passes with flying colors And then obviously this one isn't needed, but that was my thinking I discussed it with alder wolf and we agreed that this would be A place for the council to find some rest If nothing else if we are not successful in making that decision Any other discussion could I ask a follow-up question? Alderperson hammer Thank you, mr. Mayor Chairwoman donahue, I'm wondering if you could just kind of explain your process or you're thinking about how Um, the committee is going to kind of operate on monday. Is the committee going to make a one recommendation? Or are you guys going to come back with all three proposals? What what are you hoping to bring back to the council? I think all three proposals will come to finance and personnel um, it was my thought that That my resolution would come first, but it doesn't need to and If it is forwarded to remembering that no matter what the finance and personnel Decides, ultimately, it's the decision of the council And so if there is a majority vote for the armory project or a majority vote for the crofford project Then then this resolution is is is uh, is not necessary. So Um, so I'm that's my thought on how it would proceed Are you finished all the person's going to ask one final question and I await it Uh, I that that was that wasn't the quite the answer I wanted someone. Um, you want to know which one comes first Are you going to bring us one proposal or all three? Oh, no all three come to the committee Back to the council. So once it these these are going to refer tonight So monday, you guys are having your meeting Is the committee going to decide one or they're going to bring three proposals back? Oh, I think we need to make a decision on all three proposals from the committee and it might be like a five zero Or a four one on the armory project or on my proposal The council will have the advantage of the thinking Of the finance and personnel committee, but ultimately of course on the 16th. That's the council's decision. Okay. Thank you Okay, then all the person to emerald. Thanks for waiting All right, I just have a quick question. Um So I was under the understanding that, um The armory community project could only speak during finance. Why aren't they speaking tonight? We only heard from one I'm sorry Why were they not invited to speak like the other Option well the the thing that was brought to me is the this proposal hasn't had a chance To present during the public forum in the past because all five spots have been filled by Um, they had a chance by city residents and so somebody who doesn't live in the city can't Even though he signed up they get bumped I understand that but that's that's public forum That is not what you offered them tonight and they didn't get an invitation to speak Well, I chose to allow them to to give a presentation to even the playing field So we have a chance to ask some questions I think we had some good questions tonight and hopefully this will make for a better decision at both the Finance and personnel and common council You're not answering my question when they do when they speak for public forum. They're limited to five minutes That was more than five minutes. So why isn't it being treated equal? There were several public forums But I know but they weren't like to respond. I'd like to turn it over to the administrator This may shed some light. Uh, the armory community project will also invited And we're told that they wouldn't be given an opportunity to speak as well That I I have been email I can share I can share the emails where they were invited Okay, with no other discussion 7.4 we referred to the finance and personnel committee city attorney 7.5 is a resolution approving the terms and conditions of the redevelopment agreement between the armory community project Inc city of sheboygan for a project involving rehabilitating the municipal auditorium and armory and repurposing it into a community center We also referred to finance and personnel committee 7.6 is a resolution by all persons donahue and boran authorizing the purchase of approximately 0.83 acres land and building Located on the northern portion of 12 11 north 23rd street for future use by the city Also referred to finance and personnel committee 7.7 as an ro By the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2018 december 31 2018 april 4 2019 and june 30 2019 That'll be referred to the law and licensing committee 7.8 is a Uh an appointment being submitted by the mayor for your consideration Andy ross to be considered for appointment to the board of review to fill the unexpired term of pete fullerton whose term expires april 25 2021 that will lie over Alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to adjourn second. Thank you for that motion in support All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes. We stand adjourned. Thank you for your time tonight