 So what I'm going to do now is I'm just going to play around and I'm going to look for neutral. Really when I'm riding I'm always thinking about how can I keep my joints whatever joints I'm talking about in the middle of its range of motion because then it can both open and close and I can follow my horse's movement much more easily and readily. So I'm going to go to the back of my rocker and so I'm sitting kind of if I pants on I'd be sitting on my seat pockets then I come to the middle of my rocker then I go to the front of my rocker. So here hollow back, neutral back, back pushed out, thigh away from the saddle, neutral back, thigh in contact of the saddle because I'm in my middle neutral position and then front of the rocker, hollow back, pinching thigh, leg swinging back.