 Chase the video The video I'm so excited and Scott Johnson. Yeah John Rosenberg, right Scott Yes, you know of him. I mean, I know of him. Yes. It seems from a multiverse has been doing a bunch of man in black dark tower rifts lately really All right, I'm into that Okay, give a chance for the video to spool up Come on video We're up against politics politics politics right now at a special time. So Justin has so many podcasts now that really We're always gonna be up against Justin. So right seriously He's smart. He didn't do a daily one. Yeah, I Think we're about ready you guys ready The daily tech news show is brought to you by listeners like us go to daily tech news show comm slash donate to learn how No, Homer that's donate, but I'm sure Tom wouldn't mind doughnuts either This is the daily tech news for Wednesday March 16th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson as usual on Wednesdays. How are you doing Scott? I'm good. I was so sad to miss last week I was just miserable sitting on a beach getting free drinks and chilling and watch horrible I saw snapchats. Yeah, yeah clear water all inclusive resort God I really had a good back. I'm glad to be back because technology waits for no man Especially glad you're back because we're gonna talk VR today in the wake of Sony's announcement about the PlayStation VR yesterday Aaron Carson from Tech Republic is with us and you were at the event. I was yeah popped into San Francisco just to get the details Straight from South by Southwest to San Francisco like it just you're touring all of the highlights of tech news right now, I feel like Basically, yeah, I got to cover Obama on Friday and then Sony yesterday And so yeah, it kind of feels like it's something's going on my editor's going to send me Well, we're gonna talk about PlayStation VR announcement a little more We're gonna talk about how it compares to the HTC Vive and the Oculus Rift, but let's start off with the headlines Recode reports heart monitoring sensor company a live core is making something called the Cardia band It's a coin size device that snaps into the Apple watches wristband patients can then describe symptoms You speak it out loud to an accompanying app You can either do it on the watch or on your iPhone and that will generate heart rate analysis that can be emailed to your doctor Now if you're saying hold on that sounds like something that needs FDA approval You're right. The app is actually already available because the FDA has approved it for ECG analysis The watch sensor doesn't have a price and release date yet though because it is waiting on FDA approval But CEO Vic Gundotra feels confident that they will get that FDA approval and if that name sounds familiar He was the Google Plus guy. He is now the CEO as of last November Two things come to mind here one this feels like something Apple would want to integrate into the phone or into the watch itself Once they get FCC approval assuming they want that sort of thing and secondly it seems like What we're finally waiting for with smartwatches some some actual I wouldn't call it a killer app. Hopefully not a killer But an app that that's gonna take things a little bit further than I'm just getting notifications or text here So I think this is I think this looks great And that's one of the concerns for people is is whether we will get wearables that will get Approval to be used in medical situations. So this could be a trailer trailblazer in that respect. Sure could Instagram announced today I will order it will excuse me order users times timelines This is quote based on the likelihood you'll be interested in the content your relationship of the person posting and the Timelessness of the post Instagram says it will take time to get it right and listen to feedback as the changes roll out in the coming Months seems like every social network that I know of is Basically going the Facebook route, which is you know Is that the sound of the internet backlash beginning or not? I can't tell I mean the idea is if this is done, right? People don't notice and they just realize oh I'm actually seeing more posts than I used to because I don't have to scroll so far down for the stuff I like Aaron do you like it when they use algorithms instead of straight reverse chronological? Most of the time I don't care that much You know it wasn't too long ago that everyone was freaking out because Twitter said that they were going to Change the timeline and then we found out that it was sort of an opt-in thing With Instagram so there's two things on a personal level I I don't particularly care for it because I have a very manageable feed and the way that I consume Instagram is that I just Scroll through until I find the last picture that I had seen you know the day before or whatever the case is But they had a stat in their blog post that said that people miss an average of 70% of their feeds Which I thought was kind of stunning If that is the case it could be helpful But at the same time I I generally tend to think if this is a way to keep people in the app longer than that Just means that they'll be able to see more ads, so it's Business marches on I never Wonder Tom why don't these why don't these different social networks and we know with Facebook owns Instagram So there's maybe some of that going on here But why don't these guys just give us a An option at the top that just says sort by the feed however you want to call that and then the other one is just sort by Most recent post by people you follow only or whatever and then you've got you got both and make it easy to switch between the two So you don't get stuck on one and never feel like doing whatever click work It takes to do the other unlike you say some do that, but I think it conflicts sometimes with with This and and Facebook has found that you as much as people complain about it having that algorithmically determined timeline leads to longer Engagement people spend more time in Facebook probably in my case. I'm like you Aaron I I know when to stop looking when I see the picture I saw before so this is going to confuse me Yeah, absolutely. Um, it's it's uh one of the last remaining apps are you know, yeah networks in a way that chronology is so kind of a part of How you consume it, you know, it's not like Twitter Let's recap for those who missed it yesterday. Sony announced the PlayStation VR headset will arrive in October for $399 That is just the headset does not come with the PlayStation camera that sells for up to 60 dollars separately Also, it will work with your dual shock controllers But if you want to use the move controllers, which are better in certain situations You'll have to buy those separately as well a move controller costs up to 50 dollars depending on where you get it The PlayStation VR headset launches with at least five games and promises 50 by december In related news at gdc oculus announced 30 games will be available at its launch on march 28th And valve's chet feliscik says that 50 developers have VR games ready right now In the steam store for the htc vive. I don't think you buy them, but he said they if we had to launch today, they'd be there Well, it's uh, we're going to talk a ton about this a little bit later Obviously and erin's had some hands on directly with uh with the sony stuff as a just a tease erin Can you give me like thumbs up thumbs down from the overall experience? I liked it. Yeah, I would say thumbs up. All right on a general level We'll have more coming up soon ring announced an update to its video doorbell called video doorbell pro that's uh You know everything gets professional at some point the doorbell connects by wi-fi and you can answer it on your phone It also has night vision it can save up to six months of video For three bucks a month or 30 a year and that's a pretty good deal The new pro model offers 1080p resolution and the ability to mark zones for motion detection It's available to order now for 250 dollars in late april yet another Internet of thing or thing of internet you can put in your house I guess I need higher resolution When I want to see if the person at the door is somebody I want to let in You know one of the things when they first launched this was the idea that you don't have to be home But they won't know that so you can talk to the person through your app And then you know some shady customer thinks you're home, uh and and goes away I think the marketer's own for motion detection is interesting probably makes for more accuracy You think the motion or the uh the bump up in resolution here is just in the nature of anything with a screen eventually becomes We don't we get to a point where we don't care anymore about resolution And this is kind of that point where that's certainly good enough Maybe even overkill, but The hardware can handle it the streaming can handle it like we can deal with it So why not instead of going with a you know 640p or something? Yeah, I'd have to use it. Maybe there's people out there saying no that 720p is okay But you really can't see everything and 1080p would be awesome It's possible you you can zoom and enhance more if you have more resolution CSI Twitter has updated its universal app for windows 10 to support phones now It already had a universal app that worked on desktops laptops and tablets Some phones have shipped with windows 10 already So those phones will be able to take advantage of it right now and microsoft plans to roll out Windows 10 to other phone devices sometime this month A lot of the internal leaks have said march 17th, so it might be as early as tomorrow It includes the dark theme which was popular in twitter for windows phone previously on windows 8 so yeah Good news for windows 10 on a phone In in light of yesterday's ripping out of the here app, which microsoft says hey We're gonna we're gonna improve the microsoft maps app too. So there you go Well, I have good news also for fans of the news app that comes with apple devices now the apple news app They announced just a few Conferences ago, I forget which one is now open to all publishers that means bloggers and everybody else in between now I kind of thought it already was because I was pulling in a few feeds of from sites that I already get I searched for them and added them to the to the list that I get generated So I guess you could have already done this, but this is them Submitting to apple so that apple has it there to then cure rate and then send out however they want I'm a big fan of it though And I think it works out pretty well the news app was previously limited to high-profile media outlets that included cnn new york times Wired kandey nast once approved publishers can use the apple news format to submit their rss feeds to news publisher to post content Publishers will also get analytic tools to monitor traffic and I add to insert ads into those pages Uh, I think that's great. I'm all for that growing. I use it every day every morning. I use it I didn't go into who that was Yeah, there's like one guy. It's me. Um, I I guess I guess all it is doing I mean, it's doing for me what flipboard did for me So if I'm being honest, it's really not that different than what flipboard did for me I think what I like about it though is it doesn't it's kind of no nonsense Don't give me a ton of frills. Just give me the news. I want quick searches are easy I use it like google news honestly It's kind of how it works for me And it's also really easy to copy and paste stuff out of when I'm building notes for other shows When I'm working on an ipad with a keyboard or something So there's there's reasons there why it's being more functional for me than a traditional sort of Browser spreadsheet sort of arrangement. Um, but yeah on on the whole I think it's good and to hear that They're still supporting it as good because I I realize it hasn't taken on a bunch of traction At least that I can tell they have numbers so maybe it has but But I I like it so more power to that thing growing I suppose And I think that's probably the reason I haven't started using it much is I I never used flipboard that much either I'm I'm more of someone who who goes and seeks stuff rather than wanting to kind of soak in it You know and have it have it drift over you which is how I feel flip board and news and and even twitter To the extent you use it as news Does it Yeah, and it's I don't know in the in the end I like that it does both I can search and I can do it another way And when I'm looking for a specific topic, it's pretty good about coughing that stuff up But I'm I'm guessing this is just going to give us more sources to cough up from they are not googled They don't have that gigantic, you know base of data to pull from so That's the other thing is I can't use apple news on my android device or on my desktop or on my linux device You know, I mean like that's why I like fiddly because I can use it all sorts of places true Yeah, fiddly is great. And that's uh, it's always where I put my vote Comcast began selling gigabit fiber in Atlanta for $140 a month with a 300 gigabyte monthly data cap Or you can plunk for unlimited data for $175 a month customers willing to sign a three-year contract can get a discount to $70 a month with a $350 early termination fee Google fiber already available in Atlanta for $70 a month with a hundred dollar installation fee And there if customers sign a one-year contract they can waive that installation fee Thanks to another j martin for posting this in the subreddit so Competitive gigabit in Atlanta And granted these these plans are different and they're both trying to get you to sign a contract in various ways, but competition I love it. Yeah the minute I smell a 300 gigabyte cap and then pay more if you don't want the cap. I just it frustrates me I know that's not part of google's offering and you might be able to argue. Well, that's 175 A month and google charge and basically 175 for if you include the installation, but that's like a one-time deal There's a one to yeah, they're they're not charging 175 a month. It's a hundred dollars that first time in that If i'm in the Atlanta the greater Atlanta area and I've got options. I think i'm going google I mean no offense comcast, but it just that stuff just strikes me as this old data thinking and I hate it So give me the that's that's how it's supposed to work right as you get the options You choose the one that works best for you and then the other company adapts And then the consumer gets better choices that way Who to funk it tom? Yeah, you know, it's really interesting in lulful right now google fiber is trying to come to the city but at&t has actually sued the city of lulful because the city said that Google fiber could use their utility poles and so it's it has the potential to completely derail as possibly getting fiber, so I think that that's a kind of um interesting Little little a snapchat is a competitive thing. Yeah. Yeah, exactly So well because it has to do with at&t saying no, we are the only ones who have the right to move the the wires around on the poles Uh, and so they just wanted and that makes it much slower and higher and more expensive for google fiber to roll out Uh in gadget reports the u.s. Attorney's office of the central district of california has charged 36 year old ryan collins with computer hacking felony or unauthorized access of 50 iCloud and 72 gmail accounts There's a lot of accounts. Uh, collin agreed to plead guilty to uh one count of unauthorized access to a protected computer Collins admits to a phishing scheme to obtain access to celebrity accounts between november 2012 and september 2014 Uh, I think for those not in the know this this is this includes that whole big mess that was going on for a while and red It's involvement in that and kind of a kind of an ugly deal And it all came there's no evidence that collins leaked the photos that were found Uh, so so they're not charging him with that. We're not saying he did or he didn't but there's no evidence about that Uh, and apple has said there was not an iCloud vulnerability and he and collins is agreeing He's like no, I I was just able to convince people like jennifer lorence or their assistance Uh to give me the credentials to get into the accounts Wow, that just seems crazy to me. There was so much of that But I did we learn anything do you think did anybody figure anything out from this other than it was a big embarrassment for everyone? Or did we did we walk away going yes two factor authentication and Laborers are just like our grandmothers Yeah, that that's what I learned. Anyway, it's like, oh, yeah They have issues following good secure practices like anybody else. Um, yeah The guardian reports the international corporation for assigned names and numbers has agreed to a plan to end US department of commerce oversight at a meeting in marrakesh This actually was agreed on march 10th the guardian just now Kind of noticing they kept us very much under the radar. The new model will employ something called multi-stakeholderism That's a quote In other words, it will transition the iana the assigned names part of ican Away from the department of commerce They will enhance ican accountability with the multi stakeholder model and the plan will be reviewed by the us ntia. That's the sub Agency of the department of commerce that oversees iana And that has to be approved by september, which is when ican's current contract runs out Thanks to kyle for posting this in the subreddit a lot of a lot of acronym salad there, but essentially The organization in charge of domain names and ip addresses assignments and all of that has been under the essential oversight of the u.s department of commerce Since its creation in the 90s and a lot of countries don't like that So it's been it's been a very tricky negotiation to figure out how to separate it from the u.s Department of commerce without handing it over to some other country to have too much influence I don't have an enormous amount to say on the issue other than multi stakeholderism is a silly silly fake word I'm a believer in multi stakeholderism I think they made it up Let's see uber is testing its new family profiles pay option and hearing about this a little bit Now it's going to be officially being tried out the this allows one person to pay For the rides of up to 10 other people in Atlanta, dallas and phoenix. This is where they're going to start You send invites to everybody you want to be on your plan once Accepted all uber rides under that plan get billed to the organizer. It's basically I don't know kind of a family plan like we do with phones or anything else Now we're just trying it out with uber. I think that's actually probably a good thing I don't I'm trying to think who would do it though. Let's say you're a household You're you've got a bunch of I don't know you're in this city You got teenagers who aren't necessarily driving because it's all public transit or something You want to start having them doing ubers it kind of makes sense that instead of car payment you're paying for Uber rides, I guess I don't know but you know just they'll find out from this test how many people really want it Another one is small businesses Where and I'm thinking of when I was shooting video for connected tech up in seattle They would often send out production assistants in ubers to go get something or even send us In an uber back from a shoot location because they were still breaking down and they needed us to get to another location faster And it was always like well, hold on let me order it and then you get in and if they did this We could have just ordered it ourselves and it still would have been charged to the same person Under one account, so it doesn't even have to be family. It can be all kinds of things Yeah, and consider the business business angle that actually makes the most sense In this and you know, they'll seem like good cities to try it out in And two other notable stories in response to microsoft's new cross-platform multiplayer offering sony said We would be happy to have the conversation with any publishers or developers who are interested in cross-platform play Not naming microsoft But they did point out that sony ps4 does already do some cross-platform multiplayer with pc games Uh and marketing company digitas lbi Has attached tiny backpacks to 10 pigeons in london that can tweet about air quality at your request I Know it's amazing tiny backpacks on pigeons and then you tweet like what's the air quality in king's cross? And then they they will tweet back. Oh, it's this parts per million of this that the other thing Yeah, that's weird. I love that. I love the other story is great. You know the fact that we're moving toward Multi-platform gaming is great. I know you've talked about dts all week and it's and it's a good thing for games It's a good thing for microsoft and sony and pcs Um, but yeah, it bears mentioning a lot of people were freaking out about this announcement thinking well I hope sony follows suit, but they have been they've got cross-platform play with different fighting games They do this currently with games like rocket league very popular cross-platform between pc and ps4 at launch The this is good news for that game too by the way because that is also going to happen with the xbox So I think kind of everybody wins there's a weird coming together lately And we're going to have some of that in the vr space as well and here in a minute It's gonna it's crazy to me years ago. I would never predict any of this kind of cooperation And it's kind of not really cooperation, but it's like All right, we'll let we're letting the arbiter arbiter's in to like come up with third party ways of making some of this Stuff we've dreamed about happen. Finally. It's just a weird time to be alive But this is this is such corporate bs in my opinion Microsoft microsoft just threw down the thing that sony already did And without talking to sony as far as we can tell said Well, uh, we'll just see if sony wants to play in our ballpark And of course sony is like we were already doing this and you're trying to make us look bad And so you're we're open to talking to anybody who wants to talk to us I hope they actually do end up having a conversation and figuring out how to do cross-platform But neither one of them want to cooperate with the other But they both want to look like the good guy when it doesn't happen That's true. I mean in sony's case one of their selling points with the ps4 was we are going to allow cross-platform play where It's option or where it's an option one of those that wasn't an option is microsoft because microsoft had a firm Rule that that was something they would never do So so they are making a big exception here, but making it look like sony Now in that now the ball's an air court sony is a little disingenuous at microsoft. Yeah Uh, well, thanks to everybody who submitted stories on our subreddit Absolutely helps us put together a better show every single day get in there and at the very least Just vote on the stories you like at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and that is a look at the headlines All right, so as we mentioned uh playstation vr event yesterday in conjunction with the gdc Which actually gdc started today and as usual with all the conferences pretty much all the news from gdc has already happened But but erin so you were at the announcement Tell us a little bit about not only what it was like to be in for the announcement But getting your hands on it and trying it out. Sure So this was I think the last headset on my list that I hadn't tried out So I was very excited about that the announcement was a whopping 14 minutes long Which everyone was incredibly grateful for you know the main concern was getting the release window and the price And we got that and we're kind of able to move on to the demos so um The way that in my head i've classified PS vr is that this is the low end of high end vr So for the past two or so years the idea is that the the trio of vr systems kind of at the top of you know the pack it's Oculus it's vive and it's playstation vr And so I think that this Sits a little it's above the gear And below oculus and vive so but it's still very good So that's interesting I hadn't I hadn't really considered it this way but that you're you're you're right in that it's not you know A lot of people want to say oh 399 finally it's affordable or others are saying oh That's not going to be as good as this oculus I pre-ordered There's a lot of a lot of back and forth going on with with potential customers for this thing But but you're right like if there is a higher Level let's compare it to cars maybe you know this is you got your you've got a lexus of bmw And maybe this is a I don't know an accurate. No Whatever a really nicely decked out a cord Going to get you around it's going to feel good It's going to have good amenities you're going to feel good about your purchase, but it's not necessarily Top of your vr is a kushman or or something. It's not it's not actually in the same class Yeah, it's kind of it's a hard actually comparison to make There's a lot of there's a lot of bias or it can be a lot of bias there But but it is definitely up there in those top three in your experience now having tried all three Did you walk away just? Blown away kind of impressed sort of equally impressed I know it's hard because you don't have all three there to compare but it was how did you come away with that? Yeah, so there were a couple points that stuck out to me One of the first things that I always look at is the hand controllers because that's something just of you know Interest I think that that will be the standard eventually You're going to need hands and vr and once you get familiar with it It's just not going to be satisfying to have a regular video game controller So like you guys mentioned you have the option of using the move Controllers, which predate all this vr stuff. I think by I'm like 2009 or something. Um They are okay. They are not natively built for vr And so for example one of the demos demos that I did was a social vr experience and you could go into this cartoonish little world and and pick up blocks and throw balls and play sort of like a ping pong esk game and and I think that that was trying to Hit the ball to another person with my my vr hand using the controller Was it was just so slightly off But that's the thing with vr is that if anything happens that breaks immersion in the slightest it really disrupts the experience um One thing I will say the headset was pretty comfortable It basically has two buttons There's a quick release on the back and there's one band that goes around the side of your head And then there's another button that lets you sort of like pull out the mask so you can adjust the distance from You know to your face and uh, and that was that was kind of the easiest one to wear glasses with so far at least for me And uh, it was fairly light, which was it's nice that had less of that claustrophobic feeling of Strapping this big brick of plastic onto your face so but um, yeah I've heard of the advantage that I feel like the PlayStation vr has is For the 36 million or so people that have a PlayStation You don't have to shell out that much more money To get it But I feel like you just hit upon something that might be a weakness. I hadn't thought of which is The gear vr when you put it on or google cardboard you don't expect it to do that much So the fact that it's laggy or can't you know sense your motion your hands you forgive it You're like that's not what this is for. This is a very casual vr Mostly for 360 degree video and a few things But in comparison to the vibe and the rift if you're saying well, it's it's not quite You know, it's not quite got the the the responsiveness when you're playing a game And sony is pitching this thing as four games. Uh it because it's on the PlayStation 4 They're not saying well, you're going to use it in the enterprise, you know for for material Design on engineering projects. They're talking about games It might be too far in the middle where it's not quite good enough to play games the best But also not able to do All the other things Well, sure. Yeah, and that's kind of the funny thing about the price point is that there was a this You know wave of relief when when we found out that it was going to be $3.99 instead of Overshooting because because that's the thing the expectation uh for the price of both the wreck and the vibe Those are far more expensive than people have been anticipating. So it's kind of like, oh, yeah, thank god. It's only $400 only 400 That's still expensive, you know for a lot of people um Especially if you don't already have a PlayStation 4 It's about the same price more or less if you're actually going to go out and and buy a you know Brand new PlayStation you still have to buy the camera to handle the tracking And if you want those controllers like you mentioned you're going to have to buy those as well So this is not an easy investment. You're still flirting with almost a grand here So you're gonna pay you're gonna pay less than you will from those other top end ones If you don't have the pcs to go with it But but it's if this is your entry point. It's still kind of a steep entry point. Yeah Yeah, it is. Um, so I think that for them The the real kind of sweet spot they have to capture is is this good enough and is it cheap enough? and if it is They'll do really well But if people get the sense that maybe it's not quite Good enough and all of a sudden it becomes More expensive as far as perception goes then the media might be otherwise that makes sense. Yeah Yeah, and I heard the pricing of the bundles is going to be an important part of that Absolutely I heard from somebody on the floor jeff canada. I think who was on the floor Yesterday was saying he was talking about comfort level and he braided them Uh most comfortable on your head lightest the one that felt like it was barely there playstation Vr was number one in that category And then the oculus and then he says a very distant a third the vibe Uh, it was is that kind of what you came away with in terms of you know comfort because this is gonna matter It's not the most important part of the technology But it's gonna matter for when you want to sit there for a long time and do stuff and not have your Neckache your head hurt or whatever Sure. Yeah, well, that's the funny thing with all these headsets is you put them on and you just feel like you have This thing just pulling on your face so the Anything you can do to lessen that is is wonderful. So yeah, I think that I would just about agree with that ranking um, so with the Reft for example the way that they explained it is that you can basically put it on like a baseball cap I think that's true for for the most part I I don't remember there being a huge Gap in terms of comfort between the oculus and the vibe I would say that they're you know, maybe oculus is a little bit better than vibe But the playstation was definitely the most comfortable headset so far And then before we wrap up just comparing the three Again the base package is not bundled in with anything else not having to buy a pc or a ps4 You've got the psv r 399 But nothing else but the headset included you've got the oculus rift at 600 dollars But it does include at least one xbox controller that you can use with your pc And then you've got the htc vibe that's 800 dollars that includes your controllers And the sensors that you need to do the the motion sensing and everything It's kind of hard To compare these i'm i'm even discounting the bundled in games because they'll all have bundled in games It's hard to compare these because it really does depend On what you have already and what you want to use it for what kinds of games you want to play Do you have a sense yet? And maybe it's way too early like what headsets are for which kind of gamer? starting to a little bit but it's it's um, it's difficult because I think that what happened is that for almost two years we had Precious few details And so we lived with this very general perception that that was the top three And then so you now you're starting to get the sense Well if you want a full room experience and you want to move around And you want you know haptic feedback and you want kind of the most maybe immersive experience possible And you have a really stellar pc that can Keep up. Maybe you know vibe is where you go um You know the rift doesn't have the same the lighthouse sensors like the vibe does it's more of a seated experience The controllers is still very good So I think you know maybe a determining factor in there is if you want to move around or not And then playstation is just not not quite either, you know Uh, you do stand up, but you can't quite move around you don't have a with a vibe you have this thing called a chaperone But it's almost like grid like walls that you know lets you stay within a certain space and and that's where the sensors can read you Um, so it's in terms of motion. It's like a little bit In between but but I guess it it just kind of depends because you know for example, I mean they've got One of the coolest things that they talked about yesterday was a partnership with EA games and Lucasfilm to get an exclusive on star wars battlefront for PS VR It's kind of awesome. Yeah, which is really that's a super interesting thing that came out of that And I don't even I don't even know what that looks like yet because as we know first person shooters are tricky in VR And I don't know what they're going to do to handle those tricks But all of that aside it just feels like to me playstation If you want to get to the games the quickest and you want to do it with the least amount of pain If you already own a ps4 in terms of your wallet, then that's the way to go The who they're targeting with the other two high-end models feel like it's more than even just gamers Yes, they're it's all about gamers, but there's an experimentation that'll be happening there There'll be indie efforts that aren't going to happen anywhere else There's going to be weird little things you can find that you're not going to find on a playstation vr That only they are going to showcase I feel like you're it's the same It's the same kind of question as to whether you get a console or pc in a funny way It's just applied to vr Do you want to just get in play and have fun and I have to worry about the hardware very much and worry About compatibility and all these issues probably go to the playstation if you want to have a little bit riskier But a lot perhaps more varied experiences Looks like the pc n is going to be the way to go and so this hasn't done much to change that divide in my mind And I don't mean that even as a negative. I think it plays to the strengths of the platforms Yeah, absolutely I mean there's a guy in my office back in mobile who's you know currently building his own pc just so he can Have something that's up to par with the rift but kind of You know speaks to his interest and his personality and his skill level and whatnot that he could just buy one of the You know Computers that they're they're telling that's at the box going to work the you know a sooser Delaware alien aware But that's the sort of gamer that he is if he just wants to build a computer himself. That's going to work So yeah There you go All right folks read up more Erin has a couple of articles on the psvr And of course she's been following the vr beat at tech republic.com check that out Let's get to our pick of the day two writes Hey, tom. This is my pick of the day for android users an app called voice allowed reader has an at symbol at voice allowed reader That reads articles to me during the commute or when I just don't feel like reading When you find an article you share it to the app You can either have it read immediately or added to a list that you can queue up and have several read back to you later While reading you can pause rewind etc like most audio player apps So here's another way scott. There's apple news. There's feedly there. You can do it this way and just have it read to you While you're driving around I'm all you know what one day somebody's going to figure out a way to make the voice modulation in these kinds of apps Maybe this one comes close to that but making it sound like an npr reporter or whatever And have the same kind of emphasis and and and things during the during the paragraphs that that make it sound like You're listening to a person who's almost telling you a story and not just reading text Then i'm all in on this right now that stuff's been kind of eh But this sounds like a nice step forward. So sure. Why not? I'd choose the voice of cori flintoff Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show.com. You can find more picks at daily tech news show.com slash picks Matt wrote in to point out that people have too many things to care about these days We were talking yesterday about privacy Security how much people say they care versus the actions they take He says look folks need to rely on experts to guide their opinions and fight for their rights He says i'm sure while patrick may not be an expert on farming that he cares about what chemicals end up on the food He ends up eating and is glad that there are experts that have pushed governments to make laws about such things Matt works at a local library tech center teaching people safe computing good for you matt Tries to teach people the difference between a pop-up ad with a molasses message and a real antivirus warning But he also says sometimes they just don't get it. So he'll install fire fox and you block origin He says it's not that they mind seeing ads It's more about the fact that I can't be there every time a malicious ad makes its way onto a legitimate site so good good point about We all can't be experts in everything That's true. We try tom, but we can't yeah, believe me. I've given up on that a long time ago And then finally lisa dts analyst Thank you lisa says i know the importance of online security I work in the tech industry with financial institutions and security is part of my daily conversation I can imagine but I have a husband who just needs his technology to work and while I love him very much I'm pretty sure he can't even spell encryption If I was to use all the tools available to fully protect our privacy password managers to factor authentication vpn He wouldn't be able to go online ever So I rely on some analog solutions checking bank statements monitoring credit reports If apple and google can provide some easy and transparent solutions to assist me then I would be very grateful Well, and I think that's the way this stuff goes it always has gone that way think of the things that we do now That used to be huge pains in the rear end I remember a days when when setting up an email account receiving email was no small task and required all sorts of Weirdness and you don't have that anymore. It's just as simple as boom bam and you're done and and I So so any of this stuff where vr is a good example This stuff's gonna seem real raw in the beginning got big cables hanging off our heads dragging it all over a room It's gonna seem like kind of a night wear even even the kit that comes with the playstation vr. Looks like a cable nightmare to me But what's gonna happen? Well, we'll refine it and things will get wireless And we'll figure out to get latency fixed so that we can go wireless and battery tech will get better And this is the same these things will just get better my history is a rising road tom Not being good At something is different from not caring. Yeah Yeah, I think and both these emails make that same point in different ways. I think that's that's fair. That's a fair point Aaron will we survive the cable apocalypse that is coming from virtual reality? As long as we don't all trip over ourselves. Yeah, seriously So guard your ankles Follow follow Aaron's work at tech republic.com like I mentioned, of course You could follow Aaron on twitter as well twitter.com slash erin karson anything else to let folks know about Um, I've got one more article coming out today that's gonna look at the psvr for more of a business perspective So what does this mean for business users? So if that's something that floats your boat, please keep an eye out for that twitter.com slash erin Carson c a r s o n Thanks to scott johnson as well frog pants.com. What do you got going on? Oh a million things too many to mention But uh, we did just put up we just had a thousandth episode of my morning show a fact a thousand and one was today And we're really proud of that. Congratulations. 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Thank you so much. Yeah, that was great It's good stuff and you're and you're still gonna come back and we and we're gonna do like vr show, right? We're gonna do like I forgot to ask you what the social thing was you saw dang it. I meant to bring that up You said you sort of social app or whatever and I assume that means people in the same room doing stuff Yeah, it was it was cool. It was like, um you're in this cartoonish world as this little avatar who's shaped somewhere between like a south park character and like a smurf or something kind of like bulbous and You know And um, and you have these these hands that are just sort of like that, you know and uh And yeah, you can play ping pong. You can pick up blocks and throw them. There's some pianos some bongos There's a little disco that you can kind of go into and like dance around But I think one of my favorite things is that so there were there three of us in there at once plus someone from sony And and there's this mirror in world and he's like, okay guys We're gonna learn how to like emote In vr and so kind of how to walk through this process of you know Using triggers and buttons to make like a thumbs up or a thumbs down or a fister And if you do certain things at once you can you can scowl very severely Or a less smile Widely or that sort of thing. Um, wow It was fun. It's uh trippy You can have to rewire your brain to be like i'm not not smiling with my mouth. I'm basically, you know smiling with them Like my thumb Really curious to see who's at work because there's all sorts of like who has the best social app Is it facebook they should because I got all the social stuff The vibes got this great steam thing where you're all watching each other playing a room and like there's some Answers for that to be really cool and hopefully some third parties come up with some some rad stuff too I'm feeling in the future. We will all smile with our thumbs is about to be a t-shirt that I make Show titles Show titles. Yeah, what do we got? So uh, we have Pardon me. Uh, we have the killer health app Uh, you can ring my bell Recode suave Ring and run Uh one ring to view them all It's calm cast con calm cap stick come cap stick nice Celebrities are just like our grandmothers Passed away, which is probably not true for a lot of celebrities. Uh, a weird coming together. Sony awakens morpheus VR at VR very reasonable price At a very reasonable price I can has multi stakeholderism Sony gets cross dirty birch tracking dirty air middle-class vr middle-class vr That one's good. I like that. Yeah, it's it's it's very it's uh deceptively, um It's simple, but it's it's really I like it kind of hits exactly erin's what erin was saying about playstation vr Yeah Maybe that's what they should be promising in the elections a ps4 and a vr hits are Instead of a chicken of every pot Yeah, we'll give you a real chicken, but we'll give you a virtual chicken and a virtual pot That will happen. I'm sure that will yeah As you eat your uh tasteless Tracker compound Food stuff That was a good show. It was great. Yeah, I really enjoyed today. I knew I was good I was I was certain of it before we even started. Oh, yeah I'm still I I still have my uh You know, I I know tom thinks I'm paranoid, but I still think it's gonna lead to a generation of nearsighted people I just Yeah We uh, a bunch of my friends and I from college always joke that we're gonna be deaf Nearsighted have like terrible stoopes and carpal tunnel. You can't spell They can join me in my nearsightedness, so it'll be fun. Yeah, that's all coming true. Anyway, you don't need vr for that Oh, no, but I mean that's gonna just accelerate like, you know people are gonna have You know, it's gonna be to the point where your vr headset will be your glasses because it'll just have like, you know Auxiliary auxiliary cameras on either side of it. So when you walk with the headset down the street You can actually see ahead of you like your normal vision, but it would just come through you to that awesome I uh, I figure this will be another screen that I banned from my life after like 7 p.m. So Probably a good idea I'm gonna I'm trying to avoid giving my kid a tablet or phone even though I give her a tablet like on a plane ride To quiet her down, but that's all modern Yeah Just trying to watch that for the eye. She can watch tv. Just I'm just nothing nothing too close focusing Yeah, I had this problem where I watched I watched an episode of break or walking dead too late last night and I had a dream where I was I was talking on the show this morning. I had a dream where I kicked a big zombie down a stairwell I woke up after and I kicked my wife halfway off the bed. Oh, no Right off the edge. Oh What's she trying to do your glasses going on is like 2 30 in the morning Terrible I confess I have a similar issue. My wife complains up all the time So I crouch you you just want to take her to the whole bed you like in your sleep You physically push me off the bed like I just well And I was about to say no scott. You should have gone for the head, but now I'm glad you didn't yeah, really Yeah, I'm not kidding I am buying a tms mug as we speak Oh, you're too nice special edition special edition mug Yep, 1000 says 1000 plus it says And it will have um shoot Dts should do its special edition 2713 episode number Even though that is not the number of episodes we've done You should you should just pick a random number and just celebrate that Why not? I like that. I like that idea What's your favorite number? Yeah 32 27 23 so when that episode comes we're looking for it. There you go. I'll buy that mug I was one of the Darren kitchen was the one who suggested dts episode numbering should start with the combination of the number of episodes I did it buzz out loud with the number of episodes. I did a tech news today And I like the symbolism of that but I also just liked divorcing the episode number from any kind of meaning because they There's something I am with you on that. There's something I like about that. Yeah, I am yeah I don't know why we do that. It's like no other medium. Well, not all other medium, but no other Like well TV shows For syndication, right? I mean other than just like knowing what order things come in It matters for being able to syndicate But you get like a like just all that meant was you're going to get a Seinfeld clip show at like 200 No, not the clip show. It's a producer from star trek next generation because they ran out of money I'm a big show fan. Actually. I really like them It's a really good way to take and you know, it's not just saying like yeah, just throw together a clip show But like if you use past footage and content In a in a creative intelligent way you can actually add Well, I'm so thrilled that next this coming December that will be your your creative opportunity Well, and uh, and and every week, I don't know if everyone knows this If you're not always looking in the treasure chest, you might not Rich straffalina rich from lovely Cleveland puts together a best of the pre and post show And it's so it's essentially a clip show But he's he's really got a great sense of like different moments that tell the story of the week So, you know, if you're if you're backing at that level in the patron, you should definitely check that out It's it's it is what roger's talking about like the clip show done, right? That's why we do mashups on tms. Same reason. Yeah fun Go back and lick it. It's a fun cool respectful world. It is never forget Right There's something And I don't like that. You're not gonna be here next Wednesday. I know I'm a little I'm a little uji about it myself See that first week that first week it's going to be like, oh, jenny's on vacation and then it's the sex week Yeah, second week will be tough Third week will be like well, so uh, april 20th Market in your calendars. I have to go to a doctor's appointment at 10 a.m. And so I'm Taking off a couple days from my brand new job so that then matt and I can go on vacation So maybe look for me april 20th. I don't know. Yeah, it's a wednesday. You never know That's the thing is you can you can just pop into this hangout at any time. It could be surprise jenny at any moment That's like what I wanted to have uh Bob hope walk-ons on. Yes. Yep. I'll just appear It'll be a game. I won't even say anything. I'll just appear ladies a gentleman jenny joseph's She's gone there. She went Well scott all that only means that we have to start our I think now it should be a combo dark tower west wing podcast The man in black fled across the desert and jed Bartlett followed Oh, man The west wing of the dark tower. That's right I was thinking the other day how depressing that show might feel right now if I watched it right now Well west wing is given our current political state. I think you should come back immediately That's a show Yeah, that's our totally comfort comfort show. I'm like Talk to me. That's comfort show. Yeah Um, there was a tumblr a couple years ago that was a mashup of kanye west Uh lyrics in the west wing like still really kanye west wing My my tips today I think it's still out there He gave a twitter compliment to my home state He said uh for some reason out of nowhere and totally randomly said utah has Hardly any homeless people And he's right. We have really low homeless rates. We have homeless people, but I don't know why that came out of him What he was doing or thinking or talking? Yeah It's pretty weird. Um, we could call it the dark wing or the west tower You'll get a lot of dark wing duck people. Yeah, that's true The west tower the west tower I'm so excited about all the casting news. Oh my gosh, that's so exciting Erin, have you read the uh the dark tower series by steven king? I am not actually Oh, you will enjoy it. Perhaps someday It is a mad cap. I don't ever want to say oh, you should totally read it. Yeah, but um, it's a It's a fantasy alternate world Steven king book that stretches across seven books and it's really fun I don't know what your taste in books are. Yeah, because everything I used to work at a bookstore. So Like my company. Yeah, I knew I knew I liked you He used to work at a bookstore too. I worked at a bookstore for six years at austin. Yeah, nice Nice. Yeah, I uh It's it's one of those things that I did it after journalism school and it was always so this like pride point whenever you can get A book to someone and it's like that connection. You know, they get it. Like yes, this is what I need, you know Also so challenging. Um, I remember I remember uh, this girl came in one day And was actually what does she want like a classic that ended well like or something like that? Yeah So we had like a team, you know, I was a journalism major and there was another guy there It's like a lit major or like a lit master's degree or something like that and so on And I wish I could remember what we came up with but it was one of those things that we kept running through books And we're like, no that all of these are tragic Yeah, it was also like my mission to just like sell as many david sardaris books as possible Excellent Was it used or new? Um, new. Okay. Yeah, I wish I was a barn the noble, but it's like all that's all that's out in my, um Mecca the woods and the wilds of williamson county, Tennessee, so But yeah Yeah, I was ours was used but had remaindered books. So it was always a weird always a changing stock So it was that added complexity of like, can we think of it? And then do we have it? Yeah, oh Yeah, that's Well, that was that was a funny thing. So around that time, um, I was I was back in nashville and I Uh had a bunch of friends from college. She started a book club And we did it for almost an entire year. It's kind of impressive And and and being the wonderfully weird lot that they are there was we were always reading something kind of odd And so sometimes I would yeah, I would think of a book that I was ago This is this is you know, this is perfectly matching the thing that you're asking for and we you know, like wouldn't have it or Um, like there's there's this book. I love this book so much. Uh, it's called the universal baseball association What? Robert Cooper and it's uh, it's about this guy who is an accountant, I think And he creates a Fake baseball league. That's just all stacks. It's books And so he has he plays games based on like roles of of die And he starts creating this like more intense intense world. He starts writing Fake news articles about the players. He just he creates this this universe that it's um, it's incredible so if you if you like If you're into like sports stats Like this is a great book or baseball and even if you're not it's because I I don't have a kind of like Huge background in baseball, but I love this book. It's just so wonderfully weird. Um, but yeah, he he creates I'm writing it down from a husband. Yeah, we're both baseball nuts. It's from 1971 Yeah, it's it's fabulous and I can't think of the last time that I actually like ran into it in a in a bookstore But It's a little obscure, but it's it's very good and it's just It's the title it's uh the universal baseball association and I think there's a subtitle Proprietor by Robert Coover I've read Robert Coover before What else is he done? Yeah, that name sounds very familiar. Yeah But uh, yeah, it's great because it's it's like his reality and the baseball league start blurring and um Yeah, and he just has like stacks and stacks of binders that he you know plays out games and there's all these teens and and uh, and he gets so emotionally invested in it and it's yeah, just fascinating That's like one of those that's one of those books I always want to direct people to but it's Hard enough to find that it kind of makes it difficult Well, that's the beauty of of today's world. I'm buying it on amazon right now Yeah, isn't it? It's a used copy from a goodwill in orange county Wow, there you go Do you use goodreads at all? Yeah, uh, sword and lasers Group is on goodreads. So yeah, I use it all the time. Yeah. No, I I adore goodreads so much You should join sword and lasers group. Yeah, I will I will find it But uh, yeah, it's a wonderful I was I was just talking about it with someone today at the office And I was thinking of all the Social networks or pseudo social networks that have come around in even the past four years I think that that's the one that I joined and stuck with and is maybe one of my favorites like top three Networks. Yeah, I joined it before we were even doing sword and laser Just because I love the idea and then Veronica and I both realized like this is so good. We should actually Do a sword and laser group on it. So yeah Yeah, that's awesome All right. Well, I am out of the post. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. Thanks again erin for joining us. That was awesome Thank you Happy to happy to be here and uh, we will see you all tomorrow. Goodbye everyone