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Instead, we had to scramble around and to the good graces of Scott Johnson, we're streaming live on his on your Twitch channel. Is that no, we're on diamond club.TV diamond club, which is nice because it's sort of the same place. A lot of people already sort of went except the YouTube thing, I guess. But, you know, listen, we're like we live in an age, Tom, where we can scrap it together and make a car out of nothing and drive and find more gas if we have to. Oh, seriously. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks to George Hotz. We'll get to that in a little bit. But but we are we are able to provide. So thank you all. It's, man, my TV died yesterday. Best by screwed up my new TV order and I had to call the pharmacy had a problem with a prescription for my dog. My sister's phone broke. It's one of those weeks. Stuff's not going the way it should for you. We got two dog lose. I don't know if that counts as being part of your little club, but they sent me one and then Amazon sent me another one for no reason. Bonus, right? Well, we're going to get to a discussion of Netflix updating its Android and iOS apps to allow offline viewing of some content. We're going to talk about that in our main discussion. And just in general, what we think we want from video, but that's huge news, right? Like, like short version is, Scott, people are super excited that they finally gave in and gave us this option. Yeah, it's something I think we've been asking for for a long time and having taken a recent flight and thinking wouldn't it be nice if I had some of my Netflix content with me? This is a welcome change. Some would say they're finally following suit with a few other services, Amazon Prime being a good example. And we'll talk a bit about what that means for people like me and you. In the US, Altis, it's a Dutch company, but they own Cable Vision and Suddenlink announced that it will replace coaxial cable with fiber for all its Cable Vision and Suddenlink customers eventually. It'll take them a while to do that, but it believes the energy savings will justify the expense. So instead of this DOCSIS 3.0 and no, we're going to have gigabit over coaxial, Altis is like, no, we're going to save money if we actually put in fiber. So they're just going to put in fiber. Nice. Well, bring on the fiber. We can all use more fiber. We can all use a little more fiber. Now here are some more top stories. Amazon launched a ton of things at its reinvent conference, but launched a new AI platform in particular. There are three AI services now available through the cloud to developers. One, recognition spelled with a K recognizes objects and scenes and images. Amazon claims it can read emotions from facial expressions, telepark breeds of dogs, all kinds of other stuff. Amazon Poly is what is they're calling their text to speech service. It's meant to be more lifelike than your run of the mill text to speech. They offer 47 male and female voices in 24 languages. And finally, Lex, let's devs make an enemy for Superman. No, it lets devs make multi step conversational applications. It's the same tech that is inside the voice assistant in your Amazon Echo, which I will try not to say and set off your Amazon Echo. Lex is integrated with Lambda from Amazon Web Services, as well as Facebook's Messenger, Slack, and Twilio. So you can you can put this kind of recognition in a chatbot. You could add it with some voice to speech and be able to do an Amazon Echo like thing. And you can have it work as a bot in Messenger, Slack, Twilio, and they're not limiting you to just Amazon stuff. That is the best part of this is that doesn't seem to be trying to lock itself into platform specifics. That is sometimes the fear when cool technology is coming out of any particular company. No one expects Apple to put Siri on other devices, for example. But both Google and Amazon seem to be taking the track that might be better if we are building technologies that others could use integrate and have, you know, as a sort of a larger product base that probably just means the technology itself will get better with greater use cases. So I'm sort of all for this. And I really like the name Lex. And it does make me want to say, that's what you think super fools. But I won't. You know, a lot of people think Jeff Bezos may be secretly evil. So who knows? I do think Amazon has been trying to jump up and down and say, Hey, don't give Google and IBM all the credit Facebook for for machine learning and artificial intelligence. We've been doing this for a long time and they have. But they just haven't had a lot of public facing presence of it. So this is a step towards that. Sure. YouTube announced today. Oh, wait, we missed the one last thing before we move on to that YouTube story. I have to mention this. I know Amazon amounts like $5 virtual private servers per month and all this other stuff. But they announced AWS snowmobile, which uses an 18 wheel truck and a shipping container to transfer up to 100 petabytes of data. The truck pulls up to your data center transfers the data through a switch and then rolls on out to whatever the closest Amazon data center is and puts your data in the cloud. This for anybody who doesn't know this sounds crazy for people who deal with large amounts of data center, they're like, Yeah, you know, shipping data actually isn't that unusual. So this is a good service, especially if they're getting into freight hauling and things like that. But the crazy part was when they rolled the 18 wheeler on stage at reinvent. Yeah, and called it the AWS snowmobile. Also, think about 100 petabytes of data would take even with the best of pipes, a very long time to move around the internet, especially secure data or data you want to make sure is, you know, as incognito as possible. I think this is a perfectly fine way to do this. So very cool. YouTube announced today it supports 4k live streaming at 60 frames per second. That's four plus k by the way. So a little bit more. And the standard or sorry, as standard for 360 degree video, YouTube added 4k HDR support a few weeks ago. YouTube will live stream the game awards in 4k December 1st at 8 30 p.m. Eastern. It's the second Jeff Keely article of today, by the way, we'll get to later. But first of two, yeah, that makes sense. They've sort of led the way in higher definition streaming. Why not now? Yeah, it's interesting to me that we we need them to step down, right? They already did 4k HDR. But if I'm a streamer, who has a rig with OBS and I just stream games, likely streaming on Twitch anyway, but I probably don't have it set up to stream in HDR. So I needed something like this to be able to do more 4k stream. So I think a lot of people are excited about this. And as more and more people are getting 4k televisions, they'll want to watch 4k TV experiences. I, you know, I don't know how, how great a 4k stream of a video game on YouTube or Twitch would be compared to 1080 if it's not HDR enhanced. That is absolutely a point of contention with a lot of people about this. Is it is it even worth the bandwidth it takes currently to take a 4k stream? And there are plenty of rigs that can do 4k. I can stream at 4k if I want to, but I choose not to and I go 1080p. Not because my pipe can't handle it, it maybe could. I don't know, I actually haven't tried all that hard to see if I could get this going. But I don't think end users are getting that much benefit out of it. I mean, it's what is 4k on a web page versus on someone's TV versus on somebody's mobile device. If it's the same stream going out to those three different use cases, what is what even is 4k and what benefit are they getting if the guy on the phone is not getting really any more benefits getting more benefit from the 60 frames per second than he is the 4k part. So so I'm still 360 degree video part benefits from the 4k. And again, there's a lot of contention about how useful 360 degree video is. But but if you're somebody who's excited about that sort of thing, then yeah, they these are going to be better streams and there'll be more of them. Yep. Researchers at Checkpoint software technology say they've discovered malware that they're calling guligan like guligan meets Google, which has compromised more than 1 million Google accounts. The malware is found in more than 86 apps from third party Android marketplaces. So first off, if you've never installed anything on your Android phone outside of the Google Play Store, you're not vulnerable to this right now. There's nothing in the Google Play Store. This is when you went to a third party marketplace and installed something or you clicked on a link, you got fished and accidentally installed something. If you get one of these apps, it can gain root access on your device running anything from Android ice cream sandwich up to lollipop. So if you're if you're on marshmallow or Nougat, you shouldn't be vulnerable to this as well. Google says there's no evidence of data being accessed from the compromised accounts and it's using something they call verify apps to push alerts when it notices an infected device to say, hey folks, you need to update, you need to patch, you need to get on a better operating system. Users can visit guligan.checkpoint.com where Checkpoint is letting you look up an email address, see if your account is on the list of compromised accounts that they've discovered. If so, you're going to need to do a clean install of Android and passwords will need to be changed on your Google account. You got any anecdotal, I don't know, community tweeting or emailing or anything saying, Oh, this was me. I'm my phone's been compromised. I have to reinstall. I haven't seen anything like that yet. Well, I like this kind of stuff. I like it when there's third party companies, organizations, whatever it may be, whenever they come forward and go, found a big hole, fellas, time to lock that down. And they let everybody know from, you know, those who are putting Google out and excuse me, Android out all the way down to common users who may not have upgraded their phones. So I think this is a a healthy thing for that ecosystem, certainly. Thing to know, folks. It is a good thing. Good things. The more you know, really, the more I'm not going to sing it. The Internet Archive. Oh, wait, I take it back. I'm starting over here. No, this is right. The Internet Archive, which aims to be the Internet's library and is most famous for, wait for it, the Wayback Machine, quiet you, that lets you view web pages as they were in years past. You can go look at my ancient webcomic as it looked in 2003 and be horribly embarrassed by what I thought was good design. They plan to create a full backup of its backup. So a backup of a backup, an inception backup of the Internet in Canada. It cited protection against things like earthquakes, legal challenges or institutional failure as reasons in that it seeks for this kind of redundancy. Archive.org is non-profit, of course, and is soliciting a donation to fund the effort. I rely on archive.org nearly daily and I feel good about redundancy in general. Canada's right there. Why not? Yeah, the motherboard headline on this is talking about President-elect Trump. A lot of people are saying it's because of that. Maybe it is, but whether it's because of the president or not, the idea of archive.org having a backup in a separate area, in fact, Canada, I mean, I think they're doing Canada because that's probably the most affordable to begin with, but they should have one in Asia, they should have one in Africa, like put this thing up in orbit, you know, like if you can, if you can make it happen, you should make sure to have redundant backups because this is in San Francisco earthquake zone. There could be some sort of power grid failure that could corrupt data and destroy this. And if your principle as the Internet Archives is, is to preserve the history of the Internet, the way a library preserves the history of our literature and more, then you need to have these backups no matter what. Yeah, I mean, preservation comes in all sorts of shapes and sizes. And this is really them just following advice we should all be taking about our data. Data is vulnerable to all sorts of things. And to best protect yourself you ought to have it backed up someplace, maybe multiple places. So I wouldn't mind seeing a future where essentially the archive.org is a big synchronized cloud across multiple mega servers across the world, not unlike the Internet itself, but create the kind of redundancy that means that no matter what happens, there is a record of this. And the fact that this is just now happening honestly surprised me a little bit. I would have thought this is something they had done a long time ago. They're a nonprofit, they don't have necessarily the funds just plant servers everywhere and come up with a way to back up the Internet as quickly as it does as efficiently as it does and do it in so many places. But it's nice to see that they have a plan. I mean, the idea when they started in the 90s of making a copy of the Internet was crazy. It was crazy. And yet their Brewster Kale is still going. I'm a huge admirer of this project. We support it. Daily Tech News Show donates money and has for a long time to help this project out because we store episodes of Daily Tech News Show on archive.org as well as Daily Tech headlines and lots of other stuff. So I'm a big supporter of this. And I think, yeah, the distributed storage is good for all the reasons we've said my only remaining question, Scott, will they be using Amazon Snowplow to deliver that data to Canada? OK, well now Canada makes sense. You just need to drive it over there, present the proper papers and you've got your big 100 petabyte AWS machine. Here's the other thing that is slightly bugging me about all these headlines. It's just too tempting because it's Canada. And because Canada is always the joke when something doesn't go well domestically, whatever it may be, whatever era you're living in, whatever your opinions may be, it's always Canada that people are running to. That's the big joke. You dodge the draft, you go to Canada, you do this, you go to Canada. If that person is elected, I'm going to Canada. So the fact they're doing it in Canada was too tempting for too many journalists. And I understand, but I also think they should have restrained themselves. That's all. Yeah, if you actually read the archive.org posting about this, it doesn't make any notice of political reasons. It says legal regimes. So in other words, that's more about surveillance than it is any one individual. Like, you know, what if people start to put in some kind of surveillance law or censorship law? Institutional failure is a separate one in earthquakes. So yeah, I mean, let's let's there's lots of good reasons to do this. This is true. Another bold move came from George Hott's. He shut down his self driving car platform comma dot a I back in October. We talked about that. He was starting to get pressure from regulatory agencies. He said he didn't feel like he could comply with all of this regulatory pressure. So he shut it down, but he hasn't closed the company. Instead, he has put out his software and his hardware designs as open source. They are all posted to GitHub under the MIT license. That's an open source license. Hot Cell to Press Conference in San Francisco pitching the open pilot software as an alternative to Tesla's autopilot said that using open pilot in combination with his comma Neo hardware design would give you almost the same functionality as Tesla's autopilot seven. The platform right now is limited. It only works on Honda Civics or some Accurus. The operating system you have to use to make the Neo hardware work only runs on a one plus three phone because that was the only one open enough for Hott's to be able to do what he wanted. But Hott's is hoping that hobbyist and researchers will push the tech forward and he thinks comma can make money by owning the network of self driving cars. He's he's comparing it to Android. I love this. But I'm a little terrified by it. But and this is OK. So here's Scott. Let me go down a little hole and you can pull me out. You can throw me a rope. All right. My thinking is I get the Hott's open source self driving car code. Right. Yeah. And like a lot of people do with natural gas cars and that sort of thing they take their existing car and they retrofit it because they can do it themselves. It's very D. Y. I. And it's you know all the instructions are there you know what you have to get and you do what you have to do. The idea of people just regular folks like me and you rather than engineers and trained professionals making our cars self driving that may not be what this suggests. But this is where my head is. Just seems a little precarious. That's all. Just seems like a little on the edge there. You know. I don't know if I should be. I don't know if I should be allowed or perhaps we need things in place that make sure I've done the job I need to so that my car is as safe as possible while autonomously driving on busy roads. Look. This is like saying I don't know if I if you should just allow anyone to make auto parts because I don't know what I'm doing with my car. What if I put the wrong part in my brakes and my brakes fail. And I you know and I and I crash. It's exactly the same thing. And Hots made a point in his press conference to say this is really for researchers. This is really for people to to experiment with. This is not for the public. This is not an automated car yet. This is something that could be implemented for a drive assist. This is for companies to make and install for people. And obviously anybody who works with it is going to have to deal with those regulatory issues that Hots didn't want to. He's he's kind of pushed that can he's kicked that can that I guess not pushed it like he full on kicked it down the road and said whoever makes a product based on this is going to have to deal. That makes sense. Yeah. And from like if you look at it from the sort of Android perspective and all those sort of forked versions that may come out of this it makes perfect sense. It may be a great way for smaller car makers to kickstart something without literally using something like Kickstarter so they can you know come up with cool solutions. It probably isn't for guys like me to do it on my own. I just know some. No he made it very clear in his press comments it's not it's not for you to just go and try to install like a jailbroken iPhone. And I get why that comes up in your head because Geo Hots is the guy who did the jailbroken iPhone right. Like you know he has done things that you could do that with but even back then even when he was pushing out code to jailbreak an iPhone it came with the warrant you know the warning that you did this at your own risk you could break your phone if you did it wrong. Yeah he was always careful careful that stuff. Well Sony in the news has launched a new PlayStation communities app if you're not familiar with this PlayStation community is it's kind of their stab at let's take the PlayStation base and build a social network out of it. This app is now available for Android and iOS they let players join groups around specific games members can post messages and images join chats and play multiplayer games together. The big question is whether or not for me anyway whether or not this stuff will translate to Sony getting into mobile games more in the way that Nintendo is. If you ask me you know one of the big weird things about 2016 and the end of 2015 was this rumor and then confirmation that Nintendo one of the great independent video game makers of all time was going to dip their foot in a fairly significant way into mobile which seemed to go counter counter to their their mobile gaming market and they're doing that in fact on the 15th of next month we're all getting a Mario game that is exclusive to mobile and that is a single price only thing not some free to play thing and we don't know what's going to be like yet but it's a big deal it marks a big change for them. I've always been surprised given lackluster successes of both PSP and later the Vita why we haven't heard more from Sony in this regard. Why aren't there a stack of Sony IPs game IPs either based on the games they have or whole new properties that are just flooding these app stores. Maybe this is the tip of that spear for them to say all right well we've got the community it's growing it's based mostly on PS4 players but now we've got these people using their phones to kind of keep in touch with it. Maybe that's a great way to sort of expand out that apps capability would expand and maybe it would include you know something on the on the go. So that's my only prediction with it but generally speaking if you're if you're into the PlayStation communities you have a new way to talk to your friends. Yeah that's cool and I like what Sony has been doing where they have come up with more apps that make it easier to use your console whereas Microsoft tends to try to keep all of this stuff on the console and try to make it easy to use on the console and and there was a lot of debate over whether that was the best strategy or not but I know lots of people who say yeah I really enjoy being able to use that app. It's a lot more convenient. All right thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at Daily Tech News Show dot Reddit dot com. As you mentioned big story of the day Netflix updated its Android and iOS apps Wednesday to allow downloading of some movies and shows for offline viewing. If a show is available for download it's going to have a down arrow next to its episode so you won't see it on every single movie and TV show. In fact a Netflix representative told Recodes Peter Kafka that Disney owned video will not be available for offline viewing for whatever reason. Disney didn't say why Netflix didn't say why but that not only applies to movies like Zootopia but also to Marvel stuff. Disney makes Marvel stuff for Netflix. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Daredevil you'll notice none of those have down arrows next to them right now. So that is not a problem that is unique to Netflix. There are things on Amazon that I would like to watch offline that I can't. It all depends on the rights they negotiate with the individual content providers. But you know before we get into this wider discussion Scott does that matter to you? Does the fact that they just gave us downloading good enough or are you going to be clamoring for them to you know strike those deals with everybody? Well I mean I don't know my first impression when we heard about this news this morning and I found out about it by the way sitting on a certain sitting device looking at my phone. I won't say a throne of a source or yeah it was a nice one decent one and I was looking at app updates and went oh Netflix is being updated. What's going on and usually a click and it says we're always improving our app or whatever and this one said you can now download movies and TV episodes and I thought oh that's in we're good where I thought I was breaking news a little bit and then I checked the internet and everybody was talking about it. I'm very excited about it. This is something I really could have used on a recent flight. I like the idea of being able to go to hotels with sketchy Wi-Fi and know that I've got a good bank of things I want to catch up on when I'm there in the evenings or whatever. So this was already a cool feature in the Amazon Prime streaming app. They implemented that not too long ago and I felt like this was just a matter of time before it happened. As far as everybody being involved Disney is a big player so that's kind of a ding a little bit but that's the same sort of ding you feel when I don't know another big player won't put Viacom on PlayStation View or some other deal couldn't be struck to make it possible for some other connected you know service to be part of something else so Hulu can't get a certain channel or only can get one episode per week or whatever. Are you going to use this much though. Yes I'm going to use this all the time. When are you going to use it. I'm going to use it. Well that's a that's a great question. When will I use it. I mean I don't travel. I use the Amazon one when I travel to watch Justified because we're watching that for cord killers and a lot of times that's my come traveling on a weekend and the weekends usually when I watch that in preparation. So I'm like I'll take my plane time and watch that. I don't know when I'll use it for if I'll use it for Netflix. OK I just figured out how I'll use it. Thank you for giving me the time to think about it. Here's what I think I'm going to do. I think it's not now. It's later. It's in the spring but in the spring I'm very fond of sitting in a hammock during a certain part of the day. There's a certain part of the day where the sun is not quite hitting me. It's nice and peaceful there quiet. I can sit in that hammock. I usually read or something. Take an hour there or whatever. That'd be a great place to take an iPad Pro or you know I don't know my Nvidia tablet or something out there and watch something I'd already pre downloaded because my Wi-Fi signal doesn't reach where I like to have the hammock. So there's one tiny very exclusive to me use case but I think a lot of people are going to like this for traveling. If you're in a van full of kids and you're driving to Disneyland and you're coming from Colorado and you got the next 15 hours ahead of you or whatever having those back there are these tablets back there on the back of seats and running continuously with stuff that you don't have to connect to an internet service or an LTE coverage to get. That's pretty beneficial I think in a lot of scenarios so I think there are a lot of people who will like this and I think they've certainly probably thought of these use cases or I'm not sure they would have cared to do it at all. Now today also direct TV now launched in the United States that's AT&T's over the top service as they call it sometimes where you can stream television channels for a temporary amount of time you can get a hundred channels for thirty five dollars a month that's that's a discount it will go up to like sixty bucks a month later on although they will have a thirty five dollar a month program or package available with only sixty channels a month so you got to get on that now if you want it they're also giving away fire TV and Apple TV if you want to prepay for a certain amount of months they don't have a cloud DVR they don't have a Roku app at launch and it got me thinking when we're looking at okay Netflix just added downloading so now that's something that I can get from Netflix that I used to only think I could get from Amazon is a service where I don't have to prepay for stuff but I can download it and listen and watch it offline direct TV now launched it's got some some cool channels that I can't get from sling and PlayStation view but not that many of them and it doesn't have a DVR yet but it sure is a lot cheaper and I started to realize it's not just app fatigue Scott we've talked about that before like how many of these services do I have to have it's what do I want from them what do we actually want we are getting our wish this is the curse of getting your wish which is like you have control now you can get what you want when you want where you want on whatever device you want as far as television goes so how do you want it and do we need one service to provide us everything are we going to be happy cobbling a few together I went there and I came up with about I don't know about eight or nine different reasons different things you might want from your service and not everybody's going to want the same things sometimes you just want to have something on direct TV now is perfect for that like I just turned on a channel and let it play sometimes you want to have something on from a particular genre direct TV now is going to be good for that they'll have movie channels they'll have news channels you want to watch something live while it's being broadcast direct TV now is great for that right okay so they got they've got the well they don't have CBS but they've got Fox you can watch that NFL game or you can watch the awards the Oscars on ABC but what if you want to watch a specific series but then then suddenly it's like well they've got some on demand I can watch last night's episode of the voice but I can't watch it tonight right after it airs after wait for it to show up on demand because they don't have the DVR so then PlayStation view is better because they have the DVR and I can DVR and start watching it while it's still on or you want to watch on a mobile device so PlayStation view doesn't allow mobile watching outside of your house for some channels that they don't have the agreements with but but AT&T and sling do so now direct TV now and sling are the better option you know it's it's there's not one option what are the things that are important to you Scott OK so for me it's watch what I want I mean these are the basics let's talk about the fundamentals watch what I want when I want to watch it where I want to watch it I think those are like the the holy trinity of cord cutting in this in this era and as someone who's done this since gosh I think I've pulled plug about 2007 it's been a long time for me I've seen a lot of cool stuff come a few came that seem cool that went away I still miss area in a major way I love that service while it existed briefly here in Salt Lake City but those three things have always mattered the most to me so you say we're finally getting what we've asked for we're finally getting what we wished for and I'm not so sure about that because I think what we've ultimately wanted and wished for is more of an a la carte I'm going to a buffet of sorts sort of solution and at that buffet I can have a little of this and a little of that and a little of that and for a reasonable price I can have well I would argue you have that you can have a little of Netflix you can have a little Amazon you can have a little of Hulu what you can't do is the old fashioned a la carte yeah yeah and that's what I can't say I just want sci-fi channel ESPN and Bravo right because I'm odd not what I want nice combo yeah I was gonna say a pretty good random pic but I you're right you're right but that I think is still the holy grail like at some point where I can say give me ABC give me Fox give me Discovery and give me sci-fi thanks I'm good and then have me pay a reasonable price for that is a thing that's not happening yet and you really want those channels or do you want certain shows off those well and that's that's a really good point if we want to go another layer more granular than yes the answer is I do just want the shows I want because you could already do that you know that very well right you can just go and get a voodoo or an iTunes pass and buy the season yeah or go to Amazon do the same thing exactly that and that is what I do for a lot of stuff the problem is my my buffet is almost like it's not a nice clean buffet with sort of easy selection and a nice guy cutting beef over here in this area is for desserts it's not organized like that it's like 18 restaurants all mashed together and all fighting for my business and it's like those those food marketplaces I went to one in Seoul where they've like they've got a nice indoor place over here but then there's a guy that's just serving squid from a bucket over here and it's you know you got to get your cast beer on this this style because it's a little cheaper but then you want to pick up your tomato gnocchi stuff or whatever over there like it's it's all over the place right you're totally right and that's that's a problem for me because what you're now saying to me is hey I want Westworld and Game of Thrones that's two items I want from a channel that I you know there's other good stuff on there but I'm good if I don't have all the rest I may want something in the future they may put something out on the table and say how about this you want to eat this and I'd say well sure HBO that sounds great but no matter what I'm paying 15 bucks to them no matter what I want and if I just get the one show it's 15 bucks if I get eight shows I'm still paying 15 that's a better deal because I'm getting eight shows but if I don't care about those other shows it's not as all a card as I'd like to be I wouldn't mind it if I could just say here's a I don't know enough space like let's see you get you get 50 slots and in those 50 virtual slots I can fill each slot with a show I want and I can swap out shows anytime I want for something else but can only ever have 50 in there at any given time when somebody comes over the service like that and gives me my one through 50 and I can just say you know second this food network show swipe it out and swipe in I don't know Shark Tank or something and I keep moving on my merry way and I'm still just paying whatever I pay per month for that 50 slaughter that I can swap in and out man that's the Grail that's where I want to be that is when I know I have chosen wisely as they said Indiana Jones someone and Brian brushwood has called for this forever on court killers someone to come up with an interface where you just say these are the things I want to watch these are the kind these are the live channels I want access to these are the sports I follow these are the shows I love tell me what to subscribe to and then when those shows are over and I don't and they and if it's the only thing on that service cancel that service tell me if it's makes more sense to get Hulu to access a show or to get sling to access a show or to buy a season pass for that show right like somebody creating that kind of meta-service right now I don't know if they would make any money is the problem but it would certainly be used by a lot of it and it only works if somebody's got central control over all the content we're talking about so my slotting in of 50 shows depends entirely upon the content creators their owners and producers being willing to make the deals that make the 50 slot possible in the first place so because we're still dealing with all these things you just describe three very comparable services that one's missing this the other has this but it's missing that and most of the things they are either missing or don't have yet are because of these deals even the Netflix can't download Disney stuff is because of deals not being able to be struck which may be beneficial or not to Netflix I don't know with Disney but it doesn't matter the details don't matter to me as an end user those are restricting and until those go away and they're not going to when are they going to there's never going to be a consolidation where the entire entertainment slash content world comes together and says we are now the one single central hub for all things that are made ever because I don't think we want that either we want diversity we want you know well but what we do want is this shake out to finish right right right now we're still in that early awkward translation from there was one service that gave you everything the way they wanted you to view it right you could maybe DVR stuff but mostly you were restricted to watching things the way cable wanted you to but you got everything right you can you know you could spend $120 a month and get all the channels we're we're going from that to like hey guess what there's a Netflix out there and that isn't available on your your cable unless you've got an X1 box from Xminity you you have to pay for that separately Hulu is out there with some originals now that we're with it we've broken the model but we haven't come up with a efficient second model and I don't think it's impossible that down the road you won't you'll be able to say you know what we finally gotten rid of all of these old entanglements these old deals these old rights Disney has decided whether they're going to operate their own service or not and everybody knows like you're the service providers you're the content creators and here's what you do and it becomes simpler anyway yeah for sure simplicity is the next step and I don't know what has to happen I mean look we are in a bit of a embarrassment of riches period and it's real good right now like when I did this back into 07 my options were ridiculously limited I think Netflix may have just announced they were going to do something I was going antenna and then some really crappy early stuff on Netflix and it was website only and it was windows only and it was I don't even think they support a Chrome back then like like a really weird time for for that stuff but I was happy to do it and I was excited about it and I saw the future of it a little bit or at least glimpsed it and here we are today with some really concrete methods to get what I absolutely would have loved back in 07 I would have killed for any of these three services we're talking about but I just feel like the stakes are higher because now that we're there we can almost see it we can almost smell the end we can see what's possible and if the deals can just be struck right and the right service can happen the problem is once again you know we're looking for the perfect service well everybody wants to be that perfect service because that's where the money is going to be so everybody's going to compete for it I want competition but we're just it's always going to be five or six places trying to do it how will that ever solve the licensing problem that's really the big hurdle here and don't forget my buffet idea while a nice little metaphor doesn't actually work because at buffets when you go in there it's never the same thing week to week this week they had seafood that's out of season now nobody's bringing seafood what do you got instead prime rib it changes I'm cool with that because I'm just there to eat that isn't really translate to what we're talking about I can't be like oh we're not going to get Game of Thrones this year because this company thinks it's out of season so instead usually the problem with a buffet is that that you know that it's not freshly made for you to order right it's the beef's been sitting there all day and it's a little dry I don't know if that metaphor translates or not maybe there yeah the more we talk about it the worse my metaphor gets however not unusual for me but yeah the day where I can just say give me that that that and that and I will pay you a fair price for those things again what that is I don't know I admit that that's an arbitrary assignment at this point and maybe it's 34 a month for a hundred channels at least for the first three months or maybe it's whatever I think we're gonna see we're gonna see a proliferate we are gonna see I don't even think we are gonna see a proliferation of these services who's gonna come with one YouTube's gonna come with one I think we're gonna see what the weaknesses are what people actually want to pay for those services and why they want to use them and it's gonna shake out and new licensing agreements are gonna form based on what consumers want and I think over the long term consumers always prevail that you always get what people actually want it's just a matter of how long the industry takes to give up their old ways of making money and lean into them and if they can control more aspects of it which they can with video it takes longer and that's why it's taking longer here than it did with music yeah don't let us down future unplugging Hollywood we're counting on you over here alright we got a few messages related to our discussion of zero rating yesterday Jeremy from Winter is Coming Ottawa said I enjoyed your discussion I work as a software developer for internet routers but I'm also a subscriber to internet service of course so I see both sides of this discussion I wish that ISPs would move to a model where best effort bulk data was just uncapped I should be able to designate some traffic as high priority and I'd be willing to pay for usage of that kind of traffic I think this better reflects the economics of the network where bulk bits are essentially free but delivering real time audio gaming traffic or video requires something better than bulk treatment the pessimist in me knows this won't work because one can we make a UI for the average person to control which bits are bulk and which are high priority and do they even want to manage that I do but they probably don't the ISPs will make sure that bulk bits will perform bad enough that you will have to use high priority to do something like watch Netflix but maybe we wouldn't stream so much and instead download and watch later now that we can and the next internet of things botnet DDoS attack will designate its traffic as high priority it suddenly piles of people have internet bills and thousands of dollars so yeah there had to be ways of doing that but I'm intrigued by this as a more natural way of monetizing to say hey you guys we're not going to zero rate you're going to prioritize will deliver all of your data without a cap if you want but if there's a service that you want to prioritize we'll let you prioritize that to your router and it sounds like a horrible idea when you just put it like that because obviously the ISPs then start striking deals and try to encourage you to prioritize certain things or they slow down certain services to make you pay them to prioritize like he said but there might be some safeguards you could put in place to make that work I am going to just take a moment here and remind everybody how smart I think many of your listeners are all your listeners are oh sure but this is incredible incredible email that really makes a bunch of good points first of all a great idea and second of all a lot of pitfalls that could come from that idea all that being said it makes perfect sense to me I just ran into a problem with my own ISP I won't mention names but they're getting all over me for hitting a certain level that I shouldn't be hitting and I thought what has changed like I haven't done anything different I'm not suddenly doing 18 more shows I don't have some huge reason why I would have any greater incoming or outgoing traffic here so I did a little bit it's not running a BitTorrent server it's a garage that I know of plus they have their own ISP upstairs for this very reason so that they're sucking off a whole other thing so in my case I did a little digging around and what it turned out to be is I have a backblaze account and I have a folder where every day for every show I record there's about a gig and a half to two gigabyte or excuse me almost a terabyte of video for every show I do oh wow not a terabyte it's probably closer to I don't know what it is I was gonna say that's a lot it's maybe 500 gigs so in other words this backup is uploading it's uploading every time so what's happening is I got this huge folder that is uploading every time I put up a new video or that I have one just sitting there and I don't ever need it to it's all temporary until I put them on YouTube and then I'm done I delete them but it still took the time to upload those and eat up all this data it would be really cool well first of all I have now gone and designated what folders not to do this with this is a thing I can do with backblaze but it would be really cool on that next level to say yeah I want gaming traffic to be treated as high priority I want Skype traffic to be treated as high priority anything dealing with video uploading video would be really nice to have that high priority but I don't care about web browsing speed so much as to say it needs to be priority but his points down here make a lot of sense and I don't know what it is with your listeners they're also drinking smart drinks or something because that's he's well a lot of them actually work in positions that directly affect how all of this works we've got an anonymous person wrote in and said you know what in the last four months or so the number of players for wholesale fiber in the US has basically halved this will increase the price of internet for people who don't buy from the big guys and is one of the major problems with zero rating and the like today E.L.I. got bought by Zayo or Zayo not companies most people have heard of but it removed one of the final independent fiber companies from the ground so suddenly you've got people saying hey you want to transit your data upstart Netflix competitor great you have to pay us also you have to pay us again to get zero rating for your customers because otherwise they're all going to watch AT&T's products because we zero rate them hmm none of that I mean I'm not trying to be conspiratorial but did this I wonder if any of this has to do with Google slow down on their fiber rollout I don't know like maybe the fiber's not there I don't know that's a good question it's not obviously I mean Google has a lot of money right it's not obvious that that would be why they also owned a lot of their own dark fiber but I'd be curious how that plays into it and then Mink said your coverage of determining the veracity of news sources gave me an idea do you know of a plug-in or extension ideally for Firefox or Chrome that comes with a pop-up message of my own writing whenever I visit a website I've designated even a simple reminder that this is the onion remember to laugh would be useful on those days where you're just tired or doing five other things and maybe not focusing on the article you're kind of paying attention to maybe even better would be a message that comes up before saying this is a junk site don't even bother giving them giving them your money by visiting maybe it's just me but if I write the note and specify the website myself it seems like there'd be a number of uses for such a tool hmm very nice life hacker talked about something called the BS detector which kind of was interesting to read through you guys may want to go look at that as well but I love the idea of little reminders little tricks like this the more automated the better my big trick is or the only trick I really use is is the headline of the thing I'm looking at a question if it's a question I immediately go into way more I need to know more about this mode because I don't think I trust the question always answer no yeah always answer no decide if you're still interested because it's things like does Jeff Bezos know that he's been and you're like something fishy here that way so I like this idea of an extension that I could customize so that you know when I hit a particular site it reminds me like hey this is not a site you know you know take a moment because not everybody really wants to concentrate as hard as we do on the things that we read yeah yeah there are a couple of actual Chrome browser plugins just to kind of give them an answer to this that are for this very well they're not for this thing but if you if you go and you find a site that is flagged in this extensions database as a source of fake news it will tell you and if it's not he wants something that he controls I think that's interesting it's almost like rabid badger private I'm sorry privacy badger rabid badger is a fine Twitter person that I thought privacy badger except for for news quality where you could just set these these you know yellow red or green with your own customized notices it's interesting I think I would prefer his method too I want to I want to make my own determinations I realize that it's good sometimes to have everybody's input on things and know what stuff is but also I'm also relying on a database that I don't control so I don't know all of this 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tomorrow with Justin Robert Young talk to you then show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com well I hope you have enjoyed this bro done and done dusted and done done and dusted Dunston Sean Dunston do you usually run video a little longer to get post show stuff right I do because I can record I can keep I haven't stopped the video recording I can keep that going for as long as you want OK so you just say the word and I'll yeah let's let's figure out show title first yeah yeah yeah just wanted you to know I haven't stopped yeah yeah yeah and then we can figure out that so many things Hi Roger Hello can you hear me yeah yes I can I'm so used to things so rest so rest right show by show by Shane what's your breaking Johnson makes feudal call for journalist restraint the internet a come on back beep come on back beep Oh yeah for your for your data backup Oh got it get it be because you're backing up your data with the truck get it get it good beep pretty good netless flicks oh I found another by the way another good use case just real quick you got a house with limited bandwidth and your kids want to watch a movie but you want to do something that needs full bandwidth the you're streaming your your show boop and yes and then they can download it ahead of time and watch it then there you go I used to sit in the car so you get the stuff yeah no I thought of you and Scott was bringing that up because I know that's a that's one for you to go Captain Canuck in the way back machine okay ice road back up truckers Scott does metaphors archiving the internet up north Netflix and go chill elsewhere hey good looking we'll be back to pick your bites up later the truck ones are amazing Canada gets truckloads of internet archiving the net under America's hat you the one common EO the squid from a from a bucket bundle beat master says not using Wi-Fi to watch Netflix helps with battery life Oh good point yeah that's true Amazon keeps on I guess trucking but they spelt a trunking he gets them in trucking are they are they trying to make upon about trunk lines could be Amazon's cloud it's the elephant in the room Oh I see he did too another Marjorie Martin did too one is keeps on trunking the other ones keep on trucking I see sneaker net but trucks I like that one too is it sneaker net at that time it's tire tire tire net Gulligan's Island I mean that just how can you not you got it you got to submit that one that was pretty good hack your car at your own risk Netflix mobile Netflix and chill throne flicks if you're on the throne once you're ready whatever this is broken mine is broken smelling the end of cable 40 bits in a mule need a truthiness plug-in the pants on fire plug-in breaking Johnson makes you tell offer journalists restraint is at the top yeah but then we're not you can't use that one I love it but yeah it's not really it's not really the show it's not really part of the show really is it not really well I mean when we were talking about the fake news email I guess it was but yeah I mean that's not the main point of the show I think Netflix Netflix flicks I can go with one of the trucker ones ice road backup truckers come on back beep funny I like that you like Netflix flicks yeah it's very succinct my favorite is Netflix and go chill somewhere else but I don't I don't I wouldn't blame me for not using it I just wanted it to be said that that one's my favorite all right that made me laugh well I am exporting now so what are we picking Roger Nellis flicks Nellis flicks it is dot dot dot no it's like assless chaps I'm in it's good yeah although you know really partly about chaps aren't they always sort of assless it's like it's kind of redundant to say I agree it's like saying as full chaps short short short short that's it that's isn't that an English phrase you say as full as full chaps wow although you know assless chaps does sound like a nice street party yeah I don't know we park in the driveway we drive in the parkway who knows I don't have a walk in the pavement that's right you pay in the Walkman you run with a walk man yeah pay with your pay with your so wait where's the video coming from Tom me so I need to put this like either drop box that are posted directly to your YouTube channel however you want me to do it but it's ready just to be like thrown to your YouTube yeah you know what because of the extenuating circumstances today I'm going to say let's go ahead and stop our video stream so that you can can then put that somewhere