 I'd like to call the meeting of the City Planning Commission to order. Jan, would you please call the roll? Mayor Van der Steen? Here. Alderperson Boren? Here. Brian Sazma? Here. Jerry Jones? Here. Marilyn Montemire? Here. Dave Hoffman? Here. And Don Stetan? Here. We have a quorum. Thank you very much. Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. The next item is to introduce the members of the committee and staff. Dave? Dave Hoffman, citizen member. Mike Van der Steen, mayor and chairman. Chad Peleshek, planning director. Steve Sokolowski from the planning department. Marilyn Montemire, citizen member. Welcome, everyone. Does anybody go ahead online? Alderman Jim Boren, the 10th district. I'm the older person on the commission. Jerry Jones, citizen member and vice chairman. Does anybody have a potential conflict of interest with any of the items on the agenda? Seeing none. We'll continue with the minutes. We need to approve the minutes of the planning commission meeting from August 11th. I accept the motion. I move to approve the minutes. Second. Thank you for the motion and support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none. All those in favor of the motion, please signify by seeing aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Aye. Next is items for discussion and possible action. Item 3.1 is a conditional use and variance application by Spirit Halloween to temporarily operate at 518 South Taylor Drive, the former shopco facility. Steve. All right. Jason Burke and Amy Reinhart from Spirit Halloween are here. And what they're taking a look at is they're looking to temporarily operate Spirit Halloween retail establishment from the former shopco facility at 518 South Taylor Drive. Spirit Halloween is proposing to occupy the shopco facility from August until November. And the operate owners would be Monday through Saturday, 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. And then Sunday 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. And all the retail activity is taking place indoors. There would be no outdoor activity. The Spirit stores are stocked with everything you can imagine for Halloween, including costumes, masks, wigs, indoor and outdoor decor items, animatronics, makeup, collectibles, props, and depth accessories. And with its so much fun and scary mission statements, Spirit provides an entertaining and interactive in-store experience for all. Spirit has pioneered the rollout of a national and seasonal Halloween operation that has grown to over 1,400 locations and strip centers, malls and freestanding locations in the United States and Canada. And at the heart of Spirit Halloween is Spirit of Children, which is established in 2006. And the Spirit of Children raises money in store and online through vendors and donations to support the Child Life Department at hospitals across the United States. And the program has raised approximately $65 million over that time that's used to help the children with educational items and toys used for distraction during their medical procedures and more. They are looking at a couple of variances. One is to operate the Spirit Halloween for approximately 70 days, typically a temporary use is allowed for 12 days unless you come and get the conditional use and variance from the plan commission. And they're looking at having the banner installed, a 32-square-foot banner for that time as well. So staff is recommending approval of the proposal and the applicants are, I can take any questions and the applicants are here as well. Thank you very much for that report, Steve. Did you want to add anything to that? Just simply, we've been operating since 2001 with, we're a sister company of Spencer Gips. This operation entails like many year-round employees as well as many seasonal employees. This year we're looking at 1,400 locations. This is, I believe, the first year we'll be in Sheboygan. We have standard procedures for our employees with, like, COVID-related things too. We have that all squared away. We actually use some products called Defender, which is what most hospital grade uses. So cleaning shouldn't be an issue. We have floor markers in our store to make sure there's social distancing. We have a lot of disposable microfiber wipes with that Defender to help clean our locations. I don't know if there's any other questions you guys have for us. I know he touched a little bit on the spirit of children. That's something near and dear to my heart. We, all the money raised in stores go to local children's hospitals. So all the money raised here in Sheboygan would benefit the Wisconsin's Children's Hospital. So it all stays local. Also, on top of the money we raise, we also get donations from our vendors. And then Spirit picks up the tab. We actually, every year, have a Halloween party in hospitals for the children that can't leave. Some of it might be their last Halloween. So they each get a goodie bag. They get to select a costume, and they get to forget about their sicknesses for a while, just a bit. It's for the day. So it's very near and dear to my heart. Well, thank you much for that information. Thank you. Thank you very much. Commissioner, is there any questions or motions? I've got a question, Mayor. Please go ahead, Jim. I was just wondering under the circumstances with the COVID and the type of merchandise that you're selling, particularly the mask. Are the masks going to be individually wrapped? And what if a child wants to try on a mask and decides that it doesn't fit? How are those concerns going to be taken care of for your customers? In store, they are not allowed to try on masks. We have signage in the store that we don't allow for that. Our fitting rooms are currently closed because of COVID. We don't want any kind of germs to be shared. And then anything that is, we do allow returns, but anything that is returned, there is a seven day quarantine process for that. So that gets pulled off the floor in quarantine and then would be disinfected and put back on the floor. But if a child were to try on a mask on the sales floor, that item is removed from the sales floor and it is quarantined, but we do have signage up and then we do have employees walking around, you know, cordially reminding them not to try on these items. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead, Steve. Alderman Bourne, you had mentioned some things about the COVID policy and in addition to what got attached to the documents on board docs, they did provide some additional information as a handout that they have here as well, that they're providing to their customers as well. Thank you. Any other? Thank you. Any other discussion? Yes, I have just the main general question. Does the city plan on authorizing trick or treat this year? We haven't made a decision on that. Okay. We talked to the public health officer and we're waiting for their guidance. Okay. Because obviously that may have to affect that. Okay. An entertainer motion? I move to approve subject to staff recommendations. I'll second it. Okay. We have a motion on the floor. One last call for discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor, do you have to call roll call? Please go ahead, Chad. Mayor Van der Steen. Aye. Alderperson Boren. Aye. Ryan Sazma. Aye. Jerry Jones. Aye. Marilyn Montemire. Aye. David Hoffman. Aye. Don Sviton. Aye. All ayes. Motion passes. Congratulations and good luck with the operation there. Thank you so much. Moving on, item 3.2 is a conditional use and variance application by Cesar Crump to operate the U-Haul from community auto sales lot located at 1648 Calumet Drive. Steve, do you have a report for us? Yeah. Cesar Crump is here. The owner of community auto sales and looking to be the new manager of the U-Haul in the city of Sheboygan, as well as Dan Saum, who looks like he is a representative from U-Haul. So what we're taking a look at is 1648 Calumet Drive. This property has been used as an auto sales lot for many years. Mr. Crump has been there for about a year. Right now? Yep. And so recently, further to the north on Calumet Drive is Mike's expert auto. And Mike's expert auto previously had the U-Hauls at his site. It's my understanding. He may be retiring and no longer is using that. So Mr. Crump had met with the U-Haul officials and thought it might be that his site might be a good site to move it a little bit further south because he had some room. Basically, what he's taken a look at is the U-Haul dealership in this area would still be an asset. A lot of people already are familiar with the general location. So you'd like to move it here. Community auto sales has signed a contract with U-Haul and was trained through the U-Haul University. And their job description consists of dispatching, receiving U-Haul equipment and completing rental transactions as well as maintaining all the equipment in a needy, norly fashion. And community auto sales kind of indicates, kind of see you on the site plan before you right now. Doesn't show many vehicles at this point in time. But there could be approximately about 60 to 70 cars there at one time. They typically have had about 15 to 20. And as indicating that there would likely be about maybe 16 pieces, 16 to 20 pieces of equipment that would include moving trucks of various sizes, trailers of various sizes. So the only real issue that staff had was just the maintenance and the maintaining the site from a display perspective. And so a couple of comments that staff was going to make to the plan commission was the applicant has indicated there would be about 16 to 20 U-Haul equipment. There could be 15 cars. I didn't know offhand if it made sense to limit the total number of cars and U-Haul equipment say to a number like 50. That was something that was going to be mentioned. I just wanted to have maybe the applicant see if he would have any concerns with a number like that. But that way, instead of having the lot completely jammed packed with everything, there's still enough for the U-Haul and auto sales. But it's just not super tight like we've seen in some other locations. So it would be interested to hear what the applicant would have to say or with that concept. The only other aspect is we just want to make sure that when the vehicles or the U-Haul equipment is displayed at that drive, Calumet Drive is a four lane arterial. So it's real important that people coming in and out of there have that good visibility to the road so that it's not blocked and they can't see. So that was just a general comment. So staff was recommending approval. And the only item that I thought was up for discussion was that condition number 17. And right now that reads a total number of community auto sales and U-Haul vehicles and equipment permitted on the site is 50. The plan commission can approve it that way. We could ask the applicant if he has any concerns or comments with regards to that. And the plan commission can decide to keep that in there, change that, or take it out. Thank you for that report, Steve. Mr. Crump, could you respond to that 50 number? Well, 50 with the U-Haul equipment. I was thinking, like I said, for the most with the U-Haul equipment, it's probably going to be around about 20 pieces of equipment at a time. With the vehicles with the community auto sales, I would say we basically keep around 15 cars as an average. We don't go too overboard with that, because we keep it on basically one section of the lot. And it's been going well in that way. That's basically in order that we want to keep it. But like I said, because we had such space still available for U-Haul, and there was basically such an opportunity because at the same time with Mike, basically possibly retiring and everything, we wanted to keep everything like local for the community, something that's going to be convenient for him. And like I said, me being at Sheboygan for 10 years, like I said, I always want to be a part of the growth of Sheboygan. And I feel like, why can't I just jump in right here and try to help out the community with the lot? Because we do have the space and everything. And like I said, with the lot size, we can get like, we would say, I say 70, 80 cars, but the car lot's supposed to be able to fit around 100 cars. But like I said, we're only doing like 15 cars. And we have this extra space that like I said, I thought would be perfect for U-Haul. And so like I said, we approached by U-Haul, we was trained by U-Haul. And like I said, we were just giving this opportunity and like I said, we just want to be a part of like just assisting the community. So. Mayor. Yes, Steve. So Mr. Crump, any issue in terms of that total number of 50? Does that seem like if you're talking 15 cars and 20 pieces, that's only like Ford, you know, is 50 seem like a reasonable number to you? Are any thoughts, comments with regards to that number? Well, like I said, with 50, I don't think we're going to actually, I don't think we're going to need 50. Yeah. Because we're going to, but I think 50 is reasonable. Sure. But you know, because I still, I want to keep it, like I said, we got to keep Sheboygan beautiful. Absolutely. Like I said, that's one thing that I love about Sheboygan. When I've been here, like I said, I'm from Chicago. I call myself, I've been Sheboyganized. Yeah. And you know, it's a place that I love. And like I say, part of the growth of Sheboygan is keeping it, keeping it beautiful. And just, I want to, with the 50, I don't want to feel it because like you said, I don't want to cram the space either. I want it to be comfortable. I want our customers to be a come in and move around. And it's just, everything just be presentable. You know, and I want to look like a productive, you know, like I said, business, you know, for the community. So I guess I wouldn't object if we went with the 50 because that still leaves him some flexibility. If he adds some more cars and still gives him decent amount of space, I think. So if that's, you know, it seems like Mr. Crump is okay with that. So it might be something to consider. Thank you, Steve. Any other questions from the committee? I entertain a motion. I've got a question there. Please go ahead, Jim. Thank you, Mayor. I'm not that familiar with the, with the parking on Calumet Drive. Are all the customers required to, to drive into the property for both the car lot and the U-Haul rental, or is there any parking at all permitted on Calumet Drive? I can respond. Steve. There, there is no parking on Calumet Drive. Basically you have quick trip. You have Schultz's restaurant kind of in that area. You have road or all across the street. So there is no on street parking. It is all off street. And with that 50 vehicles, there would still be enough on site parking for customers to enter off of Calumet Drive and have places to park on site. Thank you. Any other discussion or emotions? I'll move to approve subject to staff recommendation. Thank you very much. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you very much. If I can ask a clarifying question. Is it with 50? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Okay. One last call for discussion. Seeing none. Would Chad please call the roll. Mayor Van der Steen. Aye. Older person born. Aye. Ryan Sazma. Aye. Jerry Jones. Aye. Marilyn Montemire. Aye. Dave Hoffman. Aye. All ayes. Motion passes. Good luck with your project. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Take care. Thank you. Item 3.3 is a conditional use and variance application by the Rightway Club to construct a new building addition and remodel the existing facility at 4627 South 12th Street. Steve? All right. Terence Doyle from the Rightway Club is here and Chris Herzog, the architect from A.C.E. Builders is here. So we had seen Terence a little while back for their pavilion that they had constructed and as probably you can see in some, well you can see in that picture right there. At that point in time there was discussion about the possibility of doing some additions or remodeling and different things at the Rightway Club. It sounds to me like they've gotten some good funding of late and they've been able to come back to the plan commission with a proposed addition and remodeled to the existing facility. So the Rightway Club, and I'm sure Terence can probably explain this better than I can, is a nonprofit organization whose main objective is to provide meeting rooms for 12-step recovery groups and to facilitate a social atmosphere that's safe, healthy and interactive in the aid of the recovery process, which involves family, friends, and community. The Rightway Club is a needed asset in Sheboygan and all the services they provide are at no cost to the individual and a need of assistance. They strongly encourage responsibility to the community and giving back in a form of service from their members and that's one of their tenants of recovery. The building expansion will provide space for activities focused around recovery from addiction and enhances their ability to serve their customers. The addition itself is about 2,000 square feet to the south and west sides of the existing facility, and the expansion is designed to blend into the existing structural framework, but the addition as well as the existing exterior finishes will be upgraded from a design perspective and that the architecture review board had looked at the plans that you see before you and those were approved last evening. There's no changes to the operation other than to enhance the organization's reach into the community by offering updated amenities, barrier free entry, and facilities and the ability to offer more flexible meeting schedule within the same designated club hours. Rightway Club has been operating at its current location for 50 years. The facility and grounds are well kept and it's a belief that the building expansion will be an attractive enhancement to the property and neighborhood. A couple of just general staff comments, there's a little bit of wet lens on the property that the applicant acknowledges and is staying out of in terms of the construction. There is a large storm sewer that runs through their site and that's kind of impacted the location of the proposed addition. I believe as part of the demolition that some of the structures that may be encroaching on the easement are going to be demolished and will no longer be encroaching on that. And then again, they were in here in September 19 with the pavilion that they use for fundraising and outdoor events. And it's an attractive comfortable place to relax and conduct small group discussions with recovering purses out of doors and with everything going on. I know that's been working out for you as far as what we're all dealing with right now. There are a couple of variances. One is to have a building side yard setback of 9.1 feet. The right way club is in the process of working with Sheboygan County who owns the property to the north and it's about a six acre parcel that I believe they may use if Weeding Creek ever gets improved that they may use that parcel for additional storm sewer. And so the right way club is working to get an additional 10 feet along that north property line. So eventually that side yard setback would be 19 feet. I think it's just a matter of dotting eyes and crossing T's but because it hasn't happened yet we're taking that variance to that nine feet which is what it is today. And then requesting a variance to the locational and buffer yard landscaping requirements. So staff is recommending approval subject to the conditions you have before you and I can answer any questions and the applicants are here. Thank you very much Steve. Mr. Doyle would you like to add anything to that presentation? Yes, Mr. Doyle. Just to update a little bit about the 10 feet in the property line. I did receive an email from Emily Stewart from the county at the county treasurer and the court reports are in the process of writing and signing and recording the deed as they're working on that. So I will be dropping off the check tomorrow and that should be finished closed up this week. So that was a great benefit that we ran into to get that 10 feet from the county because we originally looked at maybe getting some more land from them but they are actually going to fill in the Expand Weed and Creek and Widen Road there so they're going to actually use the other 6.8 acres there for a double retention pond which is really going to be kind of nice because we're hoping they give us a whole bunch more land but it didn't happen. But in essence we're going to get what we wanted because we're having this nice retention pond and still keep all the nature behind us which is really going to be great. And we won't have to maintain it. They'll still maintain the retention pond so it turned out pretty nice. Just the basic thing we have 50 years, actually September 5th we have our 50 year anniversary coming up and we have a party out there for our 50 years. We actually have a gentleman that we speak in the night which was there 50 years ago and did some of the plumbing work and things like that. So we're going to have a little play field when the club is first developed. This Saturday night we have what we call the 12-3 players. We have a little play put on. It's a one shot, one shot McBeth 20 minute play put on by the members of the club. They're just an activity we're trying to see as much active in the community as we can and we're a variety of people. We did it last year with a permit due to pavilion. That was a great choice because as we got into this year and doing the remodel we were trying to decide remodel or pavilion. We couldn't figure out how to get the ADA compliant in the building because we had a ramp inside the building because we're 18 inches below ground level. It was really a challenge with Chris's help and the redesign of the whole building, no ramp standing inside and it helps everything is ADA compliant. A lot of our members, not a lot of them, we do have members that need that service and they'll be going forward which is great. A lot of good things happening with this complete renovation and addition on here especially the pavilion came in real handy this spring because of the COVID and the social distancing. We have meetings outside and social distance to where our insight capacity went from 40 to 16. We have meetings at 20, sometimes 10 but you never know who shows up so we have to be in compliance and with a new expansion will give us a lot more room just to compensate for social distancing and I'm anticipating for next few years this is going to be a standard way of life here, the new normal I don't know if and that's all I have unless you have some questions otherwise. Thank you very much. Did you want to add anything sir? I'm happy to answer any questions about the project itself pertaining to the structure, design or anything like that other than that I think Terence did a fantastic job describing the intent of the club and what they provided. Commissioners any discussion? I have a couple comments on that. Thank you mayor. The right way club is in my district 10 and the right way club is a great asset to the city of Sheboygan. The pavilion has been a great addition to the property. It looks great and I just want to tell Mr. Doyle and his staff to keep up the good work and with that I'd like to make a motion to approve subject to the conditions. I'll second that. Okay, we have a motion on the floor. One last call for any discussion. Seeing none, Chad would you please call the roll. Mayor Van der Steen? Aye. Golder-Prison-Born? Aye. Ryan Sazma? Aye. Jerry Jones? Aye. Marilyn Montemayer? Aye. Dave Hoffman? Aye. Don Sviton? Aye. All ayes. Motion passes. Good luck with your project. Good, see you guys. Thank you for coming tonight. Next item is item 3.4, RO number 53 of 2021 and GO 16 of 2021 by all the person Sorensen amending the city's future land use map of the Sheboygan comprehensive plant to change the land use classification of property located on the northwest corner of Broadway and South Business Drive of portion of parcel 59281513391 from class multifamily residential to class community mixed use classification. Steve. All right, Troy of Melissa from Quick Trip is here and what we're taking a look at is you guys are probably familiar with the site plan that you see before you which was the Oscar Apartments Development, the old Vandevard site. What we're going to look at is the highlighted portion which indicates as lot B as part of that Green Street development for the apartments that section of the parcel was always shown as potential commercial development and so now at that time they rezoned the entire Vandevard parcel into from urban industrial to urban residential with the idea that they may rezone different parcels down the line they didn't quite know size or exactly where or what those parcels were going to be so that's why they rezoned the entire urban residential now Green Street has worked with Quick Trip who has indicated they are interested in purchasing that parcel and are working to do that and the first step that they need to do in order to do that is to change the commercial and to change the comprehensive plan designation from multi-family residential to community mixed use which would allow for such a zone change to take place so anytime the city Sheboygan comprehensive plan has to be consistent with the zoning so the first thing that we need to do is to change the comp plan which is the first item that we need to rezone and the staff report is virtually the same for each of them basically we're taking a look at this Lot B which is otherwise known as Lot 2 it was of the certified survey map and looking to change that comp plan and rezone designation to allow Quick Trip to get the zoning they need to eventually come back to us for a conditional use permit for the change as well as the reason Thank you for that report Steve would you like to offer any other information? Sure thank you Mayor Troy Miloseva real estate manager Quick Trip 1-626 Oak Street La Crosse Wisconsin just to kind of summarize or payback of what Steve had in the staff report we're excited for the opportunity to be a part of this exciting infill project redevelopment project of a former developer here in the city at the signalized intersection I think it would be a great opportunity to rezone and adjust the comp plan for commercial on that intersection and looking forward to working with staff and the city to bring forward a plan to put a Quick Trip facility that could serve the surrounding areas with our known good guest service depth of products and offerings that Quick Trip is known for that we've been well received in the city and see this as a good opportunity for us to be a service so any questions happy to answer them thank you thank you commissioners any discussion go ahead Marilyn thank you and I know this doesn't have anything to do with Quick Trip I just wanted to say I really like that name the Oscar development because it actually means something mm-hmm thank you I guess that entertain a motion then if there's no discussion I would like to make the motion to approve subject to staff recommendations thank you thank you for that motion in support one last call for any discussion and I just have a question Quick Trip does that make that a through street then through the Oscar or is that like a gated type of situation Steve so that will be it's a private drive and so it definitely will be open and will be shared by both the people visiting and living in the Oscar as well as visiting and utilizing Quick Trip services so it's not a public street but in essence it's kind it's a private street but it's kind of being used publicly so we won't have to like maintain or do anything with it that'll be up to the owners the property to do but it's used in that fashion okay thank you it'll also have a different name then so on the north end of it it's either 15th or 16th I think it's 15th and so in the private development it'll have a private street name it will not be the extension of cell 16th street okay so when you basically when you turn north to go into Quick Trip you're on private property at that point okay very similar to like say the Oak Creek apartments by Horace Mann when you come off a union and you have those two apartment complexes that's a private road okay you're going into that so it's very similar concept so it'll be pretty obvious that you're not going to go flying through that right right okay thank you okay there's no other discussion jeb please call the roll mayor van der steen hi older person born hi Ryan sasma hi Jerry Jones hi Marilyn Montemire hi Dave Hoffman hi Don Sviton hi all eyes motion passes congratulations and good luck with getting this project started we have one more item related to that okay let's move on to item 3.5 which is our number 53 of 2021 and GO 17 by older person sorenson amending the city's official zoning map of the Sheboygan zoning ordinance to change the use district classification of the property located at the northwest corner of Broadway and south business drive portion of parcel 5928 1513391 from class urban residential to ur12 to class urban commercial classification of the city I think we're going to just make a motion it's the same staff report I did for the other one the first part was the complan amendment now we're doing the actual reason so staff is recommending approval of the proposed reason thank you commissioners I look for motion motion to approve thank you for that motion in support one last call for discussion seeing no discussion is signified by saying aye aye anyone oppose anyone opposed motion passes thank you I forgot to vote aye item 3.6 is resolution number 72 of 2021 by older person authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute a public access easement agreement between the wild Leslie real estate holdings LLC visit Sheboygan Inc. and the city of Sheboygan regarding public and pedestrian access across the property located near 826 south a street Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Steve. Chad will take this one. So this is a public access easement primarily for the visit Sheboygan in the city to provide for some grant funds to construct a science technology engineering arts and mathematics center so as part of the visitor center the plan is to build a and those that are on the screen you can see the site plan but to build a what we're calling a science in the sky which would be a elevated platform that would project into the Sheboygan River it would house a greenhouse a classroom some solar panels wind turbines so it would be a structure that would be off the grid and as an educational place for both local students as well as tourists that are coming in because the new and upcoming kind of tourism thing is ecotourism so the idea is to have the science on the sky also to have learning on land which would be green infrastructure related demonstration gardens butterfly gardens those types of classroom space to try to highlight what you know ways that you can kind of preserve and sustain the Great Lakes and particularly the Sheboygan River and Lake Michigan so in order to move forward and apply for particularly a Wisconsin Coastal Management grant it has to be on public land so Leslie Kohler who is the developer of the visitor center property and is known as the Wild Leslie real estate holdings has agreed to basically grant this access easement of this property private property back over or back to the city so that we can keep it in a public domain and use it to write some grants to try to bring this project to the lakefront so staff was recommending approval of it this has been in the works for a while we're doing some fundraising and we're hoping that this will break ground sometime early next year thank you for that explanation Chad are there any discussion from the committee members mayor go ahead Jim I would just make a motion to approve subject to conditions thank you for that motion is there a second second second Hoffman any other discussion on the motion this is very minor but is there a typo on the resolution Wild Leslie no that's the way it is just curious about that okay see no other discussion well Chad do you want to share mayor van der steen older person born I Ryan Jerry Jones I Marilyn Montever David Hoffman I Don Sviton all wise motion passes our next meeting is planned for September 15th 2020 Jerry make a motion to adjourn second thank you for that motion and support all those in favor of adjournment please signify by saying aye opposed chair votes aye motion passes mayor could I make one comment for the guys on the line to the next meeting is going to be on September 15th which appears to be the third Tuesday but the first we always follow the first council meeting the first council meeting of the month is until actually it's Labor Day which is I think the 8th so that's why it is going to be on September 15th so it will be September 15th and I believe September 29th you know for our meetings so just a heads up on that thanks for pointing that out Steve thank you