 is a bit tricky. People are on vacation and I'm really jealous of them now, but it's good at least to be around you that I have not gone or just are just back from your holidays. Okay, so last time let's recap. So today we're not going to have a presentation. Last time I have the presentation to share with you what we've been working around the horizon Europe template. And we had also discussion around some just some clarification, some questions that were posed for how you could use the versioning mechanism of Argos, inside Argos and in Zanotto and lots of questions like to clarify different issues. Just to know that we consolidated your questions and as suggested by Anna, I think it was, we have worked to add them in our FAQs and they will be up on the next release that we'll have which will be end of this month beginning of August, so during the summer period. So you will be able to find them there, but you can do that from even now if you browse the communicals page you can check and you can find all the questions and answer there as well in the minutes. So today we would like to focus on the exports. So you know that in Argos we have two different and let me see my screen actually to show you. So we have two different exports in Argos we have exports for the DMP and all the information that is included on the DMP and exports for a specific dataset description that we might want to download at any point in time. One, so the first let's say that I created this DMP right and I want to export it. I can do that either from my dashboard from the main page or if I go in I can do it from here just downloading it and viewing the DMP, the funding, information, research, organizations and the content. And then let me go back. If I want to download only my dataset description can you actually see the whole screen like did you see the one that I downloaded it did you see the PDF please feel free to unmute yes yes yes okay good good now we are seeing the Argos interface perfect so this is the dataset description that is included inside this DMP and I want to download it and again I'm downloading it I'm opening it and here is the this export as well which informs about this being part of a larger group let's say the single DMP called DMP demo this is the description of the dataset and so on and all the other information right about the dataset. Your let me go back again so we received few requests from you that really gave us a good input of how we could move on to creating a newer version of the export that we have in Argos.org and for example there were some requests to since Argos provides licenses to the DMPs there were requests to add this license and the DOI actually as a footer on the exported document and we did that so basically today I would like us all to go through the new exports first the DMP export which has all the information and then the dataset export which has only the information about the dataset and see if this if this is if this meets your needs but you had in mind when you were contacting us and check what needs to be changed maybe even the fonts you know any little detail that you feel is needed. Let me go and create quickly a DMP sorry let me remove this bar from my screen hide okay perfect so start new DMP start my wizard let me say DMP oops sorry about that let me provide a description let me add a few researchers like myself for example and George too will do just to fill in some of this information and to see how it behaves in the export right university okay let me select the funder select maybe a grant a license of course let's give it creative commons for let's leave it as open access and let me use one template that is for tests so that I know that I will quickly go through this workflow with you let me prefer it to be quicker even quicker I have a title description tags perfect let me see all the rest yes let me add personal data sensitive data yes now I have to fill in all the mandatory sorry so that I can then finalize it okay and ethical aspects let's say that they don't exist let me save it save and close and now let me save it as well right and I can now maybe even finalize it let's deposit it since this is going this is a test instance it's not going to go on Zanotto please be mindful what you publish not only on Zanotto but generally what you publish on other repositories as well we don't want empty or information that is false right and I can now see this dmp and this is the PDF that was generated so the new PDF has as before the title of the data management plan it now has the version here right after the title so the different versions so it's easier to to check which version you are looking at you're reading it and it has so here we are working on adding we are working on current benefit functionality that will allow you to add your own logo the logo of your project and this is why you see a big white space for the moment but presumably here you will be able to add your logo in the next two months and then here is the funder you have chosen the Europe I have chosen the European Commission the grant is this and the grant ID is here as well the researchers that have worked on this dmp are these the organizations follow and you can see the the license oh and the doi you didn't pick the doi but here it will be the doi and the date of the publication then you see all the data sets that are included in this dmp with their title the template that they are described with the description quick description summary of what this data set is about and then all the different information about these data sets that you provided for example right here and at the end oh sorry at the end and we you see that the the identification of Argos as the dmp tool for the generation of this dmp and you also see on the footer again the the information about the title uh that I provided and and the rest information so if I go back okay if I go back here and export only the data sets not the dmp you will see that here I understand that I am viewing part of this dmp right the name of the data set is that the description is here researchers from their grant as usual and all the rest information and the footer is indicates that I'm now viewing part of the dmp with this title um these are the this is what we worked right this is what we worked um and we would like your feedback um you know as I said even if the the the letter like the font you would you feel it's I don't know too big or would need different um different font or the footer should have more information or whatever and I think I am happy to to open this to discussion okay we we already have one question in the chat will new uh is this the one from uh will next version of Argos allowed to export in any other format as html or text to edit the dmp you can do that even now uh you can not the html the text you can do that even now we have in our backlog uh yes other formats uh so this is this is in our roadmap but not for the near future but as you saw before let me go back maybe as you can see here you can export in text document which is editable XML and the JSON compatible to the RDA standard for the MPs so um these are the experts that we support currently and yeah okay let me then go start asking questions myself um um let me see let me see that again okay so do you all um are you all okay with the versioning the different uh number of versions uh being displayed uh that prominently let's say um or being displayed at all this has been a request we have another question from Julia Kaloni in a dmp with more than one dataset will they be summarized at the beginning of the document they uh how do you what do you mean by summarized you can unmute please feel free yeah uh hello good afternoon i i mean like um will i have in the beginning of the document like a list of the datasets that will be described or um they will be just there and we have the description like you showed us with the one you had before yes so uh no no they they are not summarized but they will be here so now this is not a good example because i only used one to to be quick but all the datasets uh according to the template that they use because some might have it the horizon europe template that is uh customized for archaeology archaeological data the horizon europe template that's customized for i don't know life sciences right uh depending on which template you will use you will see this uh datasets um sorted under here um based on the template so first it will be the template uh based on the alphabetical order so if i say archaeological let's say then it will be life sciences al and then uh they're more generic okay so you'll be able to navigate through this pdf right like from here thank you um during the i see the questions also andre during the project writing process we made it in one pager to include into the project template in a certain format for this we may need to provide a summary how can we receive it yes so um this was also a question that was posed during the last community call and we are very happy to uh work on that if if the if you if it's something that you uh need uh and you can work with us as well to formulate yes exactly so formulate this um template and have it openly available to everyone uh in argus use would you be um and anyone actually would you like to work on that otherwise we do it for you and then we discussed in the next maybe in september's community call we we are happy to do anyways we're happy to collaborate we're happy to do it so that you don't do it so as you wish if you need to feel more uh you need to have more control of uh specific things in the template feel free to let us know and we can provide you uh edit rights okay so i'm adding that in september to have this ready right perfect so till the next maybe we have some domains and condoms we will be glad to share with you from this one pager okay so let's let us draft it and let's use the next community call that would be excellent to review and finalize it right do you agree okay and anyone else if you if you agree right great let's see um let me go back to here so um yes my question was do you feel that the information about the versioning and the number of the version that you are doing is important and it should be included here or do you feel it should be it should have a different place inside this um export inside the document okay i fix can i can i comment please please do hi um i think is with versioning for example when i'm uh drafting a dmp for a new funded project there's a specific template which you can find it at the data set level in argos however as far as i can see and from the pages from horizon 2020 and i'm still waiting on the page from horizon europe uh there's a specific template of how you should have content stable um versioning which is not that kind of format so i would have more or less to edit it um not necessarily but i could use the versioning number i guess and just you know verify what the versioning number is but in terms of formatting i would need to change it unless um once you um unless you could choose the template at the dmp level and not the data set level because that would be my my comment uh because if i'm doing um horizon europe uh dmp it would be all the data sets would be horizon europe anyway so i would like to apply that in the dmp level not the data set level thing okay so what you're saying is that um um it would be good if we could follow um exactly what the template uh gives more or less what the how the template comes with yes yes but exactly how it's how it's okay okay yes because in the end i i still have to format it according to the guidelines of the of horizon europe at least that's that's my that's my thinking and that's my that's my idea no it's not the problem of how you are going to as long as the information is there this is the the key part but i hear what you're saying and i'm adding that as a note uh to um to also try to compare so that is comparable with the template provided thank you and then we have the funding information and the grants researchers and organizations um one request was for researchers to also provide the orchid in this page would that be helpful or do you feel like it will create more noise and you don't want that here please feel free to unmute and i don't want to just say it all the time i would say with the id with the orchid idea uh depends on how many people are going to uh you know to be present in this page in the research space usually if there are only a few contributors like two or three uh but then i presume if someone is the author of an individual data set will their name appear here so if i have like 20 data sets 20 data sets and 20 different authors would all their names appear in this page if they have contributed to uh writing the data management plan yes otherwise there is a different section now i'm not using the horizon europe 20 the horizon europe template here so you so that's a different structure but in the horizon europe template as as we saw in the previous call uh there is a specific section to specify the different roles in the data management um activities and there you can add all the data managers and and data curators and i see that rem says that maybe a link to orchid would be helpful good next the organizations are we okay with your organization being displayed like this do you want them like before where we had the the researcher next to the organization for example i i would say um like in papers if you how do i know who who is associated with which organization so if there was an enumeration or something to tell me uh who yeah el vodakulu is she associated with the university or with the innovation center yes oh we cannot hear you but okay i i understood yes so how we had it before but with um so role by role to be to present the information her uh researcher class the affiliation okay yeah okay um then uh we have the license of this dmp the doi and the publication date do you agree with how they appear would you like something else to appear here like there was even a request for a citation but we didn't implement it and again this is why we're having this uh this call today because uh before we push everything to the production of what you see today here and we would like to collectively um have a discussion so you agree that the publication date and the oi and license information is useful and it's good that they appear there then we move on to the information per data set so here i only have one data set so i have the title of the data set the template that it is used to be described with the description of the data set the summary let's say uh the summer the summary and then uh more targeted information as they appear on the template that i used so the template that i used was a very dummy one um here's the information and as you can see uh the first page footer with the next and all the rest actually are different um because we include of course the title of the dmp here as well as the information that we already had about the license the doi and the date of publication now you're showing yes now you're showing the express as pdf only would it be possible to sort also in xml to see what the potential possibilities of validation are by means of example a locally customized schema trans schema yes so today's call um is dedicated to the xml but we can have uh one of the next community calls if uh if you want um dedicated to xml for example yes that will do and in the meantime you can feel free to contact us uh for any questions that you have but i'm adding that right i'm adding the xml export here and let's say so september we will have the one pager and then uh october we will have the xml or maybe we can do both we'll see how how we'll do we'll we'll have to figure out the timing uh because these calls are one hour only and i wouldn't like to keep you longer than preview the first in the first call i really appreciate your time um let's see uh next let's see okay so i take the silence as a yes as you've seen uh and i move on to the oops i'll move on to the data set export now i'll move on to the data set export this come on so this is the data set export data set description export it informs about uh the title of the data management plan that this description is part of then it has the title of the data set so that we know what data set is about the description a brief summary of the of the data set um the license doi again these are and their publication date researchers organizations here i didn't add anyone and funder and grant as well and then the rest continue as we had them in the dmp export here in the footer we have only the information that this is part of a data management plan in which data management plan it is then would you like to see for example also the publication date here or would you like to see something else here that would be very useful linking to the data management plan where this data set is described okay edly sorry i'm speaking now as a researcher point of view um and uh if i think back to my uh previous uh uh project when i was working for a startup company uh with the funding of the mercury uh they uh in the company they were asking me uh often to put the logo of the company where i was host and uh i was wondering if in any kind of documented that i can do export i can add a logo or something else yes as i mentioned uh we are already working on that and we will have something at first implementation ready so here the white space here on the dmp export the white space is uh reserved for those kinds of logos of the project logo but for now since we don't have it yet here for now you can export it in an editable format like the text that i showed before and you can do any uh tweaks that you like yeah perfect thank you thank you let me see uh the chat i think iran iran's yes i think so was what was the question that i uh about the publication date of the dmp yes yes okay let me know that okay and mehveh mehveh says i authorize my orchid id to login but the system does not allow me do you have any information about this but i'm not able to see anything oh really oh so you have problems with the login okay so look what's happening in eosk we are we are all we are trying to adapt to the login system of the eosk and there are um there are uh ongoing uh you know activities running currently because we need to move on to that uh and this is why you you experience that uh let me let me see what i can do let me see may i have a word yes i'm mehveh by the way thank you for answering all of the questions um if you let me i can show also my screen uh to show which ways i've already tried to sign in and login because i didn't only try authorizing my orchid id but i also tried um google and other options but still i cannot visualize anything even without using login opportunity i thought that maybe i can visualize public dmp's which is still not possible okay uh let me see because i all right yeah this so as i said we are uh migrating are a so whoever is familiar of you we are migrating the ai authorization of education infrastructure to that is uh used in eosk and that's why we're doing it now that it's the summer so that uh yeah for obvious reasons but yeah sorry sorry about that i will i will um see if i can um contact yeah so they're already working that yeah yeah it's it's what i'm saying now yeah so apologies for this it will be running again uh very very soon so shall i try it again from the beginning you can do but give it give it a minute i would say okay okay yes uh okay thank you thank you thank you very much and yeah thank you very much so any other questions regarding the export or regarding um well i would like to focus on the export so do we have any other questions regarding the dates my personal thought is that it is not really needed on all the pages just the first one page on the other side page numbering maybe should be added oh yes thank you very much for that yes you're right okay so i added that as well oh i haven't started my screen again sorry about that i'll do that again there it was all right so page numbering i added that so um to recap i have um two requests for the one pager that we are going to draft and we will all be able to see and provide feedback in september the september community call plus we'll see if we'll have time to go through uh the xml i think we will have time to go through an xml export um and have discussion about that as well so if we divide half and half of the time i think we'll manage it uh then i have some notes to add the orchids to um compare and maybe make it visually more um linked to the template that is provided by the institution it's time and then page numbers i added sorry and then the one for the um every researcher to be added in a table format let's say the researcher and the their affiliation right next to instead of this did i miss something else then maybe a personal note would be that this maybe could be smaller scale so that they don't consume that much space um any other questions maybe it will be useful to add the starting and ending date of the project yes actually this was one of the requests as well starting and ending dates so starting and ending date should be oops sorry should be right below the grant so maybe this needs to to be redesigned again so maybe we have the funder on top then the grant and then we have the next to the grant so where the funder is now it will be the grant with the number the grant id and then here it will be the starting and ending date of the project right anything else that you would like for example maybe okay i i yes i think this start and end date are actually mandatory in the rd might be impugation schema uh you will be surprised that the rd might be impugation schema has so little mandatory fields uh but if you for sure if you have um so it's very chopped if you try to to follow it um but no start and end date is not mandatory the funder the the title of the funder is mandatory but not the start and end date and are you okay with how content appears inside you're okay with that just a minor comment in the footer of this page we we don't have the logo of argus empowered by uh it's below okay it's below okay okay it's below yeah maybe we can find a way to make it better all right um could we export a template yes uh uh oh wow many things a bit uh so first could we export a template yes but you need to have admin rights in order to do so but yes you can export a template and also import templates and in in argus i think that the visualization of the data set info is a little too dispersive the data set info where exactly let me see let me see let me go back so here you mean in this part of the document right sorry the data set description is very long to read uh everything is uh difficult to read if you want an idea of the content of the data set media tabular description will be more uh will be a little better to visualize the information i don't know for me it's a really really long description of this particular one i'm this layout the layout layout for me in my opinion let me find then wait let me go back here and let me find another let me find the the one that i performed in the previous community call uh and let me export oops export it media so here we have many data sets right you can see them and here the layout is like this we have one it has nothing in it basically i quickly in the previous time i quickly run through this template so even here you feel it's difficult to to read right it says to me a little bit long okay okay maybe i don't know to select the key information and present them in a table for example and then if you want to go through you read more deeply in the complete description i don't know yes so this we we have in our roadmap we have to create a table that is machine actionable so it allows for fields to be mapped to the rda common standard for dnps but this will be available in 2023 we don't have it now unfortunately um so this will it's a it's a huge effort that needs to go into this and it started but it's it needs time to be done properly so in the future in 2023 you will be able to do what you're saying but not now but but i'm thinking how we could maybe restructure things and present them in a better way today with what we have today so i'll think about that and we can i'll let you know in the next community call ideas and things that could be done thank you thank you thank you all um uh and julia commented that it would be better if it's certain table yes any other questions or ideas of since you've worked around argos maybe you have experience in or you have to to to make any suggestions of things that could be done or hundred differently i have a comment but it's not about the expert yes for this please you don't go ahead and mute no i can we cannot hear okay then we'll just write it some of the fields are mandatory when filling in the dmp is that necessary yes so the mandatory fields that we have yes they they should be um provided with an input let's say but i think what you are um what what what you're asking uh is relevant to mechvez question about the one pager so they need to have a shorter version let's say of a dmp to work around right yes and no okay i worry that when the research fields in the dmp if they are stuck with the mandatory fields yes and they cannot save them it will discourage them from using the platform say finalize okay see so okay so i assume that i want to work on it for five minutes and then all of a sudden i'm stuck okay so maybe yeah yeah so maybe um yeah this has to do with different versions of the same template in in my opinion because if you want to submit at the end to the european commissionals if you if you're using the horizon uh europe or uh template then you will need to have provided information to all but you will might argue that yeah you will do anyways as the project progresses eventually we will say yes yes yes yes okay yeah yeah good point good point yeah yeah thanks for this thanks for this just having notifications that warn about this yeah yeah exactly yeah there are there there are alternatives um great thank you thank you thank you so much any other questions um ideas frustrations okay then silly suggestions from me no no nothing it's silly if i want to save and work on it later i just type in random words and edit it later if i understand the issue here yes yes you could do that uh okay then if we don't have any other issues to discuss we are on time this time and i would like to thank you all very much i really like i really did again this i haven't done community calls in the past the previous one was my first one this is the second one i really really enjoy reading all of you and hearing all of you um and working with you actually to further things in in the machine actionable and further dmp that argos produces um i would really like to to help making your experience better uh thanks so much everyone uh we'll resume for september uh august is vacation time for me and um yeah if you have any questions you know where you can find us argusadoprin.eu and we're we're really happy to to help