 Hey, this is Ryan from So Is That Any Good, welcome to So Is That Any Good's Movie Cast. This is episode four. As you can see in front of us, we are doing a Halloween episode. We're going to talk scary movies, horror things, and see how it goes. So I'm your host, Ryan. I'm Jared. I'm Scott. And I'm Mick. Let's get this thing on the road. All right, so, you know, I want to talk about different things, you know, different horror things, you know, and I wanted to know what scared you first, like kind of out of any movie that you saw. It doesn't have to be a horror movie. It can be anything, you know, what, you know, comes back into your brain as being the scariest part of your childhood in a cinematic kind of way. It's a weird question. You know what I mean? Mick, do you want to go first? Yeah, sure. I've kind of got two that come top of mind. For a moment that scared me, it was the start of Ghostbusters, was one of the, the ghost in the library. That just, that was full on scary for me. But as a, as the film went on, I kind of, you got into that. I didn't find it even as a kid, that much of a scary movie. But Poltergeist was the first one that really got to me. And I remember I was really young when I watched it. I can't remember what year it came out. What schedule about that? Like what particularly? I think just the whole, the concept of this unseen, the unseen thing, like not knowing what's taken this girl away, but just, yeah, the idea of it just, yeah, being gone in the sounds and just, you know, the static on the TV turned into a scary thing for me. Like, so as a kid, if the TV channel changed the static, first thing I thought of was, you know, the ghosts in the TV are going to come for me. And I just remember really distinctly grabbing hold of dad's leg, because I was so small. And as he's walking around the house to, I'm holding on to a thing. I'm pitching you at this age right now, like your age right now. That's sort of a good look. But yeah, I remember it being, it took a while to get that one out of my head. And I still remember it as being the first sort of movie that really scared the shit out of me. Right. And also clowns. Yeah, that clown scene in that movie. Oh my God. Yeah, bloody good. Screw that. Under the bed. You know, look with the, okay, I remember it, the toy. Yeah, the toy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The start of the movie, it sets it up, but the start of the movie kind of like foreshadowing it that he's kind of scared of it. And then there's one scene towards the end of it where he actually gets terrified, which is just unbelievable. Yeah. On the flips. If you haven't seen Poltergeist, that one scene in the beginning, that's all worth it. On the flip side, is there anything that you thought, you know, it was scary, but was cool when you first saw the film? It was, I mean, yeah, the whole, it was one of my favorite films. Like, I loved to be scared. And then, I mean, I just, the whole concept was cool. I thought, I can't think of anything that would stick out just to be one cool thing from it, but the overall style of it. And just from then on, I think that kind of set me off, it became a thing going down to the VHS store to find scary movies. And then we, you know, we were talking about this from Friends the other day, we'd kind of look at the VHS covers and totally just judge the movie off the VHS cover, go to the horror section and see what we could get to, to scare us, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think as the Poltergeist movies went down, it went along, sorry, they kind of got like crappier and crappier. Like, because the first movie, you know, is her touching the television, like, holy shit, that looks pretty cool. The second movie is her in a corner of a, I don't know why I remember all these, I just do, a corner of the VHS cover on a telephone. And then the third movie is just like her looking up at a giant building. And it's kind of like, is the building scary? Like, I think I saw the third one, I can't remember the section. The other two don't matter. The second one's pretty good. It has the original cast, especially the villain in that creepy dude. Oh my god, terrifying. Yeah, Kane, Kane, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just this really old dude, but he's like, he looks like in the nicest way possible. He looks like a cancer patient. Like he's going to hell, but he's like 90. I like how that's the nicest way possible. Well, no, I know, I made nothing against cancer. Right, are you sure? People that have cancer and go on, go on. People with cancer can talk. Ceasing the comments. Yeah, sorry. I don't mean a lot of that. Anyway, yeah, terrifying. That's just that guy, one particular guy that's terrifying to me. Um, what have you just got? Uh, not a horror film, but I think the first thing that really kind of creeped me out was Return to Oz, a film full of horrific moments as a child. The wheelers, man. Yeah, they really creeped me out as a kid. I remember, and I think it's, I've watched it since. And I think the film's really kind of neat and it's in that weird phase where Disney were doing kind of really dark and creepy stuff. It's Disney. Yeah, Disney produced Return to Oz. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Walter Merch directed, I think, most, most, most. He, uh, excuse my ignorance. He was, he's an editor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an editor on the apocalypse now. Yeah, right. Yeah, so, yeah, weird history behind that kind of that, the making of that film, and it's so bizarrely non-Disney. I don't know what they were trying to get with it. But anyway, the wheelers themselves are kind of, they're these British dudes that are wearing this makeup. And then their hats that they drop down are kind of these creepy, just creepy look to them. And I think the whole film, I think that what's really creepy about it is that as a kid, you kind of go into it thinking, oh, it's cool, Wizard of Oz sequel. It's just this dark, apocalyptic, almost, version of it, which I think is really cool now, but not what I was expecting as a child. It couldn't be more different. No, but I appreciate it now, even more so because of that. I think it's kind of cool to go to this place that was so happy and joyful, and the yellow brick roads are gone, and the lynchkins are all dead. I did find the original, now that you mentioned it, the original Wizard of Oz, scary. The black and white stuff at the start, and then the lollipop kill. The lollipop kill. Oh, right, yeah, yeah. Oh, lollipop. But it's just the concept of when the house was flying and people are out the window. So that was fucking crazy. And the neighbor lady, the witch. Rocking in the chair. I mean, I know it's just, I know it's a blue screen, or maybe a green screen, probably a blue screen. But I think the special effects in that one particular scene, like, I was in awe of that when I was a kid. I just remember like, how are they doing that? Like, the guys in the rowboat? Yeah, like, it was incredible. Yeah, anyway, what about you, Jared? The first one that I remember being truly, truly scared by, I don't know why I was watching it. I was like, yeah, I was, I'm sorry. Here we go again. My formative years. It was child's play. Yeah. Parents thought it was a kid's movie. No, no, no. It was a neighbor who was like, he was probably like two or three years older than me. So he was watching it with a bunch of his friends and I happened to come around. And then it scared me so much. I made it about 20 minutes into it and then completely left the house and went back to my house and like, just shut myself in a room for a while. I have the exact same, I think I made 10 minutes. I made it to the title scene. It is terrifying. Yeah, screw you director of that film for running childhood. Yeah, that movie destroyed me. Pretty much destroyed horror for most of my childhood. I didn't bother kind of going back to that genre because of that stupid film. Really, it kind of amazed me how much it meant. I don't know what about it. I think there's something about the innocence of toys and whatnot. And as a practical effects nerd now, I think it's kind of neat how they made the Dolan stuff, but it creeps the shit out of me still. So don't look at it very often. Yeah, so mine is weird. I don't actually remember when I saw this, but I remember just like it stuck with me. It still sticks with you today as being one of those things that I actually really like about horror films. And it's kind of like that, what the fuck did I just see kind of thing? Like it's not like, you know, a jump scare doesn't really scare me, like the suspense will build and then a jump scare doesn't really scare me. It's the bit where, you know, someone might be walking along and then you kind of just like do a quick flash of the cinema or the flush of the room, sorry. And then you go back and they're like, holy fuck, that was there the whole time. And so this one is Twin Peaks, the end of Twin Peaks where you find out who the serial killer is or the killer is. Like the TV show or the fire walk in me. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I haven't seen it since then. So I think I'm pretty sure it's the pilot episode of Twin Peaks. Right, okay. But don't quote me on that because I could be wrong and I haven't seen it since then. I have not seen it. Every single person in those movies is also in the TV show. So it's like that, what's that guy saying? Garmagalcon. Yeah, that's him. I'm pretty sure they won one film when it was after the show was done. Yeah, maybe that's it then. I don't know. Anyway, point being, whatever it was, I've only seen it once and it stuck with me. I refuse to watch it again because it terrified me and I don't want to see it again. But like I'm trying to get it out of my mind. Are you excited about doing a new season? No, I don't remember the show at all. I remember it's like kind of like, you know, someone's daughter. It was the woman from Big Love and she's in a few other things. So yeah. What's the name? Mashke Had. Probably. The older lady. And anyway, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know you're talking about sorry, no. Yeah, she's at the start of the film. She runs into a daughter's room and freaks out because she's not in there. So she's like, you know, rushes in, the door opens up and the whole camera swings around the room. And, you know, that's the scene of the start of the movie. You don't see anything. But then it cuts back to that last scene in the end of the TV show or movie. Sorry, I don't remember. It's probably the movie. Where the movie experts, guys. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's what I've said. I said it's what I've seen when I was a kid and I'm trying to block it out of my mind. Anyway, yeah. And she cuts back to it later and there's a guy hiding in the corner of the room and she just like freaks out. And I just, I can't get that guy's face out of my mind. And I never have. Who was it? Now, I'm only knowing from another movie because I know he's in that movie and when I saw his face, I was like, fuck you. I know you. I know you. I don't know your name is it. I don't want to find out. But he's in The Last Man Standing. He's the secondary bad guy in that. Not Bruce Willis and not the main bad dude. I think he's Andy Garcia. Last Man Standing. Yeah, Bruce. Great Bruce Willis movie. Highly recommend. Can't tell you who directs it. But it's basically Bruce Willis is in a western and he is just like passing through town. Looking on this. Yeah, he kind of passes through town and he's kind of like a gunman for hire. Or keep in mind, I haven't seen this probably since like 2001. So it's kind of like a gun for hire and then the different fractions of the gangs want him and they pay him different sorts of money and kind of plays between all of them and then he kills off everyone. No, I do remember it. It's amazing. Yeah. What you just said about Twin Peaks reminded me of that whole urban myth about three men and a baby. You know about that, right? Yeah, which is the ghost outside. Do you know what it is now? Well, I remember reading something. It was just someone like it's obvious. Was Ted Dance and Stan, like a cut out standee of Ted Dance and then a top hat? And like you couldn't tell because the bare chest quality is so crappy. Right. Probably the same thing for the beat or whatever they're playing on TV. But when you said it pans around the room, that thing's there. I never noticed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that coming out on hey, hey, it's Saturday and I don't know what that chick was. It was like the Nixon tapes, whatever it was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She did Nixon tapes and whatever. Like she would like movie mistakes. Yeah, like the stormtrooper. That was the first time I saw the stormtrooper. He said it. There's so many things I learned from that show. I was like, holy shit. I love movies because of living in Nixon. I don't know who she is. I don't know what she's doing these days, but probably like some sort of kitchen. She's probably still like a gentleman somewhere. But going back, I guess, round is that are we aware of the poltergeist not urban legends. The actual deaths. Well, right. Yeah, she died of a lot of people. So yeah, a lot of things. Like, yeah, it's more than just she didn't die to the film. Yeah, so I guess two weeks prior to the premiere of the original film, the actress that plays the sister in the film was murdered by her boyfriend, I guess, at the time. At the front of the house. That's so creepy. Yeah, yeah. Was it out front of the house? It was like long story short because I read up on these things. It was pretty much from my understanding is that someone had called the police for her to be kind of like removed from the boyfriend's house because he started going crazy. I think because she started getting fame from poltergeist coming out and he was worried about her cheating on him, cheating on her, her cheating on him, sorry, and asked her to come outside and talk to her and he got so aggravated that he ended up strangling her to death. I don't think, well, I mean, how can you not strangle someone? How can you strangle someone to death and not mean it? But I don't think he intentionally did it. I think it was just kind of the rage and he wasn't intended. Pants or whatever there. What happened with the second film? So it seems like the skeletons in the pool, though. Well, apparently, what about when they dig up the pool? So apparently it was too expensive to make fake skeletons so they just dug up skeletons and threw them in there. What? I don't know about that. The real mystery of the film is who directed it. Yeah, I like to think about that. So it's directed by Toby Hooper. But apparently him and Spielberg had such clashes on the film that it could actually be directed by Steven Spielberg. And there's heaps of things in the movie. I remember I got your book for it. Yeah, yeah. There's heaps of things in the movie that suggest this. I actually thought it was. I thought he was credited. No, so he's an executive producer. I have not seen it yet. So from what I understand is that he had competing scripts. At the same time as making Temple of Doom, Poltergeist came around and I don't think he was interested in doing a dark film twice in a row. So I guess he kind of handed off to Toby Hooper to kind of pick up. But he was so involved that I remember reading an interview with Zelda Rubinstein. Is that the? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This house is clean, lady. Um, that she said, I read a review interview and she said, no, Spielberg directed me every day that I was on set. Wow. Yeah. Oh, wow. So I think, yeah, the book that you're talking about, you got for me for my birthday many years ago. But math and math. So leading on from that, what do you think is probably the scariest film you've ever seen? You know, even childhood now, what's the best scary film you've ever seen? So because I'm sure, you know, a lot of these people watching this night right now, it's going to come out on a Sunday. They're going to have some time for the night before Halloween. What do you recommend as your scariest film? The Exorcist springs the Exorcist and the Omen old school. But I remember being scared by it as a kid and then thinking, oh, I had a job where I was quality controlling, quality checking tapes for the movie channel many years ago. And the Exorcist came in like a remastered print. I said, I'll watch this one. And then even I was in my 20s at the time and it's still just scared the crap out of me. The stuff that really gets to me is that it's like it's almost the idea that it's the supernatural thing but it sort of feels like it could happen. Like whether or not the religious connotations of it are one thing, but the idea of someone sort of, you know, having the physicality of some of this stuff, you know, it just, I found it really frequent and probably it just stands up to me and it still stood up. Like it was old when I first saw it. And then revisiting it, I just thought it still totally stands. I'm still scared the piss out of me, you know. I think most people would agree with you because I don't think there's a best horror film unless it doesn't have it on it. But of course, I mean, you talk about top films, like top kind of films that's on there. But you talk about the realism potentially, is that, I mean, that the idea of Exism has been revisited so many times throughout the film that, you know, it's obviously had some effect on people. And I don't know whether it's the case of people trying to recreate the magic of the Exorcist or whatnot, but obviously that's a topic that definitely seems to scare movie girls. I think it's just the topic that scares people in general. So then it manifests itself in movies. So you talk about demonic possession and like that touches on all of the religious stuff and all of the religious guilt that people have. And then am I going to hell if I do this and blah, blah, blah. And then like that manifesting itself in everyday situations, like a little boy who is adopted, like that is terrifying. For the Omen. The Omen, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like Reagan's a girl. Yeah, and she has a mother. Yeah, yeah. But also the Omen. Yeah, true. Yeah, yeah. And both of those films, the music, just the tone of the way that they're shot and particularly the Omen thinking back, I revisited that recently actually and just how the bleak sort of weather and that the weather plays a sort of character and it makes it just that much more eerie. The music that just the way that it's shot and this sort of muted color palette that it's got to just all, when I watched it young, I wasn't thinking of that. But now that I'm into that stuff, I really sort of reanalyzed it. One scene that sort of fell apart was the dogs in the cemetery. It really did look like it was on a sound stage to me watching it now. But I never remembered that the first time I saw it. I just thought, you know, I just took it all for real. But amazingly scary film too. Just when that realization comes through in the Omen, when the photos are getting developed and you can see the little foreshadowing literally with the shadows in the photos and then the scene where the woman jumps off the roof and makes herself, this is all for you. Yeah, that was... I think that's where that film turns almost. Like it's almost like, like he kind of gets a way of being almost like a family film. Taking this new kid. He's not really terrifying until that point. Like he kind of just like, all right, not doing anything like that. Kids fucked up. Just the whole, the whole, the way that that as a set piece played out. Like it wasn't just to hang it within the bang and then see it through the glass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all the kids could see it. It was just like, holy shit on so many levels. What was his birthday party, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they had the carousels going and that sort of stuff. Yeah, freaky. Imagine being that rich. You could have carousels like just at your house. No worries. Just going to order some carousels. Is Senator or Ambassador or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damien eventually becomes Sam Neal for Emery and like Damien for three final conflicts. Yeah, I didn't see that. Number three video. I think, I think the fourth one kind of ends up like next Karate Kid and that changes, like goes to a girl. I kind of like re-boot franchise. They did a fourth one? Yeah, before the re-boot. It's like, I think it's called The Omen, The Awakening or something on those lines. The touchstone is Karate Kid. Yeah, well that's what it's like. That's what I couldn't do when they re-booted. It's the beginning. Karate Kid is like, for me, the beginning of the female re-boots. Just no one remembers it. They did it with her. Yeah. Yeah. Hillary Schwank. Hillary Schwank. Schwank, Schwank, Schwank. Two-time Oscar winner. Yeah, what's she done now? I think, what was it? Valentine's Day was the last one? No, New Year's Eve. No, surely she's been in something. But like, you know, like high profile. Yeah. Like, I love you. I think that was the core. The core, man. So good. The core. Aranaka. Yeah, just killing it. I don't know, that's horrible. Oh, okay. All right, good to know. It's one of those... Disaster. Armageddon rip-offs, but instead of space... Oh, the core. Yeah. They went into the middle of the... I was thinking Heidi. Heidi Berry. Heidi Berry. That's like the Caucasian version of Heidi. Hallie, I guess, is a white... I don't know what I'm trying to say. You know what I mean. Moving on. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, Scott, what about you? For me, it's going to be John Carpenter double feature. So I think the thing, I think he's absolutely wonderful film. Scary, has great effects. Suspenseful, and I think those... I'm not really someone who's big into the torture porn or any kind of... The supernatural sci-fi stuff, I think is great, but I think the film does such a wonderful job with the suspense and the blood-testing scene, I think is phenomenal. And I remember the very first time I saw the film, I walked in on it and it was the... Where they're operating on the guy, and then his chest opened up and people got their arms ripped off. It was wonderful, wonderful film. And I think that's a film that holds up. I don't care how many remakes or prequels or whatever they do, I don't think anything... Have you seen the prequel? No, I'd kind of avoid it on purpose. It's pretty good. Unnecessary. It is completely unnecessary. I try to make a new franchise out of it, and I think they did pretty well. It's the Soviet... The Norwegian guys. Norwegian team, sorry. Yeah, but why is Mary Elizabeth... Well, they explain that. They explain that. They bring in... Kind of like they're doing Jurassic Park. Unnecessary. Kind of like they're doing Jurassic Park. They're a team over there, but they need extra people with more intelligent things to work out what's going on. I was all keen for that film, and then I realized they took away all the practical effects and replaced it with CG, and I kind of... I feel like there's... I think there is such a coolness about that film because everything... Like, I have no idea how they did half that stuff. I think Robertine, good job. He was in a hideaway. And he just can't find that guy anymore. I think... So, what I read... I'm pretty sure Stan Winston assisted on that film, but it was Robertine for the most of it. So, the other one, I think, and I'm not a huge slasher guy, but I think the original Halloween is incredibly well done. So good. I think the carbon to score is wonderful. I think the idea of just the shape, and I think they're so... Same thing again. I love that there's, you know, absolutely nothing about Michael Myers, really. He's just a guy who escapes the loony bin. Yeah. And I think that's... That's where the reboot went wrong. The reboot, yeah, went wrong. I don't care about... Even John Carpenter. Yeah, there's such a simplistic thing, and there's some great kills in there. And the closet sequence, and where he just stabs that guy into the wall. I think it's all kind of the archetype for 20 years of slasher movies. Correct. Yeah. And I think the original kind of beat, you know? I agree. But it's, you know, getting remade again. Yeah. Unnecessary. Jared, what about you? So I've got... There's a couple different sort of eras of horror, I guess. Rosemary's Baby is a great psychological horror. Really? Yeah. Wow, I love that. I love that. It's just, it's such a long film. Like it just... Yeah. But it's like the same sort of thing as Omen and Exorcist. Like you can totally see that happening, apart from The Devil Baby, obviously. But it plays on everything that a parent fears about their child. And then I'm not really like a slasher movie guy, so I sort of tend towards the ghost kind of subsection of horror. So the others was amazing. I don't normally like Nicole Kidman films, but she's just kind of bland to me. But it goes like... Her blandness actually played really well in that movie. And the reveal is really good. It's good it's ruined, man. What? Maybe we can just block that. Yeah, it's 2001. You haven't seen it at this point. Yeah, I'm so like that. 15 years old, come on. And I hesitate to say it, but I enjoyed the first Saw movie. Right. I don't like the torture porn at all, but I found the first Saw movie was very clever in the way that it told the story. I didn't particularly like all of the sort of set pieces of it, but I thought that the whole thing it was cleverly done. Interesting note about Rosemary's baby that you just made me remember. And I can't remember if it was the director or the DP that saw this. Have you heard about how we framed? There's a shot in the film where she's sitting on the bed on the telephone and you can see her legs and the telephone resting on her knee. But you can't see her face while she's talking on the phone. And apparently at that point in the film, in the cinemas, it was just like where sort of 100 people would all lean and it had to be around the door. It was shot through a doorway with just one of those moments that he said he just sort of knew you had everyone at that point. Yeah. I'm just going to sit and actually win here. That's a great interesting run. Yeah. Well, I got already got bloody feedback from you guys that you think this is terrible. But I'm going in Sidious, which is James Wan film that came out 2011, I'm going to say. James Wan, director of Saw. Director of Saw, your man. Director of many films now. He's just hit, you know, Stardust with Aquaman. He's directing Aquaman, which is pretty cool. Well, he hit Peter before that. Yeah, with Fast and Furious, yeah. Fast 8, Fast 7, Fast 7. Whatever one it is. One with Paul Walker. Fast 23. It's Fast 7, I'm pretty sure. Anyway, point being, yeah, in Sidious. And the reason being is probably stems from, you know, what I said prior to what scared me first in my life, which was things you think you haven't seen or you think you haven't seen, and then you eventually get revealed to you and it has been there the whole time or, you know, kind of questioning what the fuck did I just see. And in that film, there's a lot of it. Kind of like there's the jump scares also that are in it are well timed in there. You know, the suspense, the building and stuff like that is really well done. Like there's a scene in it where the demon of the movie, you know, is standing behind the mum and kind of comes out. No, I was standing behind the dad and the mum or one of the people see it and gets terrified and I'll have to explain the movie. Anyway, I can't tell you now. Anyway, yeah, so the bits that I do like in it and there's one sequence in it with Roseburn and she's traveling through a house and it's a single shot, you know, scene and she's walking through her house, you know, picking up things. She goes through the main hallway and then goes through one of the bedroom, picks up clothes and then cuts through the laundry and drops off the clothes and continues going. But as she gets into the laundry, there's a little boy standing up from the corner, just looking into the wall and it's kind of just one of the things you can, like if you weren't looking at it, you wouldn't have seen it because he doesn't move. He's just standing there like this, looking into the wall like, you know, face head back to the camera or whatever and I was just like, holy fuck, what was that? And then it continues on and she makes her way through the living room, eventually goes outside and then all of a sudden the record starts playing and it's playing that tiptoe through the tube. Tiptoe through the tulips. That song. Anyway, I don't know why I can do that so well. Anyway. You've been practicing. I have a couple of theories. I like to sing to Ariel sometimes. A bit of a tiny hint. Just that terrifying song. And Ariel refuses to watch it again. It's in the mood, doesn't it? I don't know. Oh, God, no, that would put out any kind of horror film and she's like, I'm done, especially ones that have supernatural feeling or exorcism or stuff like that, demonic possession, she's done. Like she can watch slasher films. Some reason she doesn't think that's kind of real, but you put a demonic possession or insidious on, which is directly insidious. She refuses to watch any of the sequels. She's seen the first one and that was it. Like I'm not watching anymore. But yeah, that film was probably my favorite. Yeah. So something else I wanted to talk about was, you know, all the big slasher films that, you know, have come out in recent times, you know, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Halloween are all getting remade now. Again, for somewhat the second time, somewhat the third time. And, you know, I wanted to see who you guys thought would be cast in those films as, you know, if not a teenager, you know, who could come back or who could play the main villain. So do you have anything in mind? I mean, I'm happy to go first. So I was thinking, you know, Friday the 13th, I'm sorry, not Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, I would bring back Robert England, because I think that you can do something along those lines where you can pretend that the last movie, the one with James L. Jacky. James L. Jones. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, Jacky L. Haley. Haley? Yeah, Haley. Yeah. Anyway, that guy, you know, that could be a whole dream sequence that he's kind of made up kind of thing and bring it back, you know, as that being kind of like a dream and he's being the mastermind behind that whole thing. I don't know if that would work, but I just like to see Robert England back in the role because he made the role. He's the one that kind of... Yeah, and I think that's the biggest problem, right? Is that even when they did the remake, it was, they didn't try and do anything original about it. It was just let's, I mean, they made it dark and gritty, whatever. But they didn't, the same kind of style, really, it wasn't anything like, it wasn't anything bizarrely different. It was all kind of the same. And it's like, well, you had such a good actor in that role. Why try and re-better that? Like, you kind of got a win there. And I think that that's a series where you do have the ability to kind of do the ideas that you have. But at the same time, they already kind of did that with New Nightmare. And I feel like they've kind of taken that. They've taken it as far as they can get into the meta that I... You'd have to come up with some completely new idea to kind of do anything original, I think, with that franchise. And it kind of surprised me they're trying to reboot it again when they obviously tried to do it. And was it successful? It wasn't successful, but I kind of enjoyed it. I think only because after the first movie, Night on Elm Street, the original, it started getting a bit comedic in the way he was killing people and in the way Freddy Krueger was talking and Robert England was talking. And as it went on, it got more and more ridiculous. Like even when he dies, there's a scene where... What's his name? Man, nothing is working in my brain right now. I can't think of his name. Kid from Clueless. Oh, Paul Rudd. Nerdy... He plays skateboarder in Clueless. I reckon Maya. I reckon Maya, that's him. He's in Freddy's Dead, I think it's the fifth film, or no, sixth film, sixth film. And he dies by video game. He falls into a dream and falls into a video game. And there's this whole sequence kind of like Mario, where he's like, it's just ridiculous. But I feel like that's the trend for all kind of real horror stereotypes. Oh, characters, I should say, is that they kind of lose their... They turn into apparently... Yeah, correct. And that's the only way they can keep these franchises alive. Friday the 13th is probably... I mean, they didn't particularly make Jason a comedic character, but there's only once again, only so much you can do with a character that doesn't speak. Correct. He doesn't speak, he just whacks people. And I think horror has evolved in the last 20 or 30 years to kind of move away. They've had to be more creative with their slashes. And the original Nightmare on Elm Street is incredibly creative, because you compare that with something like Halloween. Is that going into a dream? And there's some fantastic Destiny original Nightmare on Elm Street. The Johnny Depp death is fantastic. It's absolutely wonderful, but I think they've just got to do something completely out of the ordinary, completely different than what's come before it. And I think... But it's hard to kind of keep that, that original, what makes Nightmare on Elm Street Nightmare on Elm Street. And I think, so to find that balance between you and keeping it the old, I think it's very tough. And it's surprised me that they're going to bother them trying to do this again. Right. Okay. Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. Anyone else got any ideas? I will say that when I was thinking about this, I really dug what John Karl Lynch did in the fifth season of American Horror Story. Right. He played that killer clown. I haven't seen it, but I'm a pretend that I have. Yeah, he's terrifying. And I think he would be a different way to take Freddie Kruger, because like Jackie Haley or whatever his name is, was very close to the Robert England style of Freddie Kruger. Yeah, especially the first movie. John Karl Lynch is a massive guy. So you make him an imposing figure to begin with and then add all that other Freddie goodness onto it. And plus he's awesome actors. I feel like if you went that route, you'd almost make it too much like the other two. You know, you might be mine. Correct. Yeah. And Jason Boyd said that. Yeah, I was trying to rack my brains on this to think, I think it's, can we get someone who's just like built like a brick shit out? Because you know, the original guy was more slight, but he was scary. But then I'm like, it's the same. Yeah. I thought exactly the same thing. And then it's kind of scary enough with what he's got going on. I think the one true thing that runs throughout that whole series is and that differentiates from everything else is the idea of someone killing you in your dreams. And so I think if you keep that as a core concept, but then kind of and having a killer, whether it's Freddy Kruger or some kind of equivalent, keeping going that kind of core sequence, but you know, you don't have to give him the razor. I know these are things that make the franchise, but that franchise already exists. So yeah, I don't know if you need the razor claws and the fedora and the stripe jumper and all that kind of stuff. I know, I know. But then why do you remake it? Well, tell me. Remake the concept. Hey, Hollywood, please tell us. It's not like the horror genre out of all of them is is sort of needing ideas. If anything, like they're the only ones that are coming up original. Yeah, original stuff. It's all low budget. It's like it doesn't cost anything. So like these, these like pillar horror properties that you're talking about, they'd be expensive to reboot now. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think there's a lot of like is the conjuring has kind of proved using real life stories in a way that, you know, that has the conjuring too on a particular were quite like that. Maybe I don't know if you've seen it. Much more terrifying. Yeah, it was unreal though, just like knowing that that was a, you know, I don't know to the extent of how real it was. I watched a lot of the documentaries about it, but you know, it was cool thinking that that actually might have all happened. But Jane Flan again. Yeah. And I think horror as a may have a hard on point. I'm talking about that right now. But I think horror as a genre has survived, you know, for a long time. And you know, it's been, you know, that those slash films, the 80s are long gone. And I think it's kept on without, you know, needing to reboot these characters and whatnot. And we, you know, new characters have been created, new stories, new ideas. And what you're talking about with basically in our real life events is, you know, the current trend, but I'm sure the next trend will come along. I just don't see the need to kind of reboot these older franchises that have already been rebooted unsuccessfully and then ran out the first time. Yeah, correct. Like ran through Jason ran through 10 before it got. Yeah, correct. And I think, I think, I think Freddy Kruger is so, you know, Robert Anglin is so, so, so much that character that you'll never replace him. Cool. So we'll leave it there. If you want to check out more from us, head to soasanygood.com and make sure you hit the subscribe button on this video here and comment down below if you want to let us know anything we missed or anything we stuffed up because I'm sure as hell we missed all this messed up stuff. Yes, sure. Yeah. Anyway, cool. I'm Ryan and that's it from us.