 Thank you for keeping us company. This is why 254 discussion Monday kicks off right now. My guest tonight is Sarah's elite. So he's a political analyst and as I have mentioned, we are talking about the political statement that was made by member of parliament of Kandara Alice Wahome. Thank you so much. Send in your comments or reactions to all our social media platforms at 2254 Channel. Now, good evening sir. Good evening, how are you? I'm very well. You've been good? I've been very good. Now, last week, towards the end of last week, we had a very interesting scenario where we had a member of parliament of Kandara Alice Wahome say that the president is planning to stay on power and he accused the handshake brother or his relationship with Audium Leader Ray Ludinga to be a new vehicle. We want to listen into what she said and then we move into our discussion. But now, we'll be listening to that in a bit. This is an accusation. And before that, they were in a burial where it's alleged she called on the president to allow people to have their freedom of speech. Let's listen in on what she said. Ray Ludinga is his new political machinery for hire. And the BBI itself, the BBI process, the BBI report is expected, the BBI is the special papa's vehicle. The special papa's vehicle heading to the route that has been suggested by Murathe Atwori and Beth Mogo. And I'm sure Kenyans must be thinking Murathe is dreaming. No, I don't think Murathe is dreaming. I don't think Atwori is speaking from nowhere. I don't think Beth Mogo, who is a close relative of Uhuru Kenyata, is also speaking from nowhere. When we made our constitution and put provisions over time limit, we did not put the limit of age. Because we expected that even at 70, if Kenyans want you to be their leader, then you'll be elected. But we did not also say that the qualification for you to stay is your age. There you have it. She was saying these close affiliates of the president. She alleges that they are not speaking from the blues. She talked about Atwoli and then Mr. Murathe there. And you see and also Beth Mogo. No, these are relative of the president. And many Kenyans are here wondering, is it true? Who do we believe? Because they say the BBI is the new vehicle now to take the president to the next power system. Thank you. First of all, when I listen to what Alice Wahome comes out to speak, is what I can call a sarcasm to some extent. Why? Because the same Alice Wahome was truly drumming support for Uhuru Kenyata re-election come 2017. These are the people who are the critic of Raila himself. They are the people who could not even say anything concerning the Jubilee government by then. When you hear him talk of telling the president and mentioning the president on things to do with the freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of what, these are the same things they were aganist previously before the re-election. These are some of the things they fought when somebody stood to speak of any evil, of any dissatisfaction by the Jubilee government. There are some things that they came out to rubbish like you're speaking and saying like you're the enemy and they are not. But when I look into a statement that Teorengo issued in Senate, when you say that times the government comes and it's its own people, that's what is happening today. And the statement was, he was saying the statement addressing the speaker at that moment was Beth Mugo. Now, today we are seeing Wahome crying, not only Wahome, there are so many. We have Dindi Nyoro has cried and others are still crying. Many of them are crying. Why? There is dissatisfaction among them. Which kind of dissatisfaction? They believed they will rule for 20 years because it was kumiyangu kumiyaruto. So they believed they are going to enjoy leadership for 20 years without any hitch. They never saw a union between the president and Rayla Odinga. They never expected a coldness from Ruto or from Huru to Ruto. They expected a smooth landing, but right now whatever they are facing they are hurdles. So they are coming out to fight the hurdles that is there and the hurdles they believe to be is Rayla Odinga. And is this carrying them for nothing or is there something? What Rayla has come to do, what Rayla has just done is just destabilizing the jubilee itself in one way or the other. Yes, he is still a leader of ODIM. He has never left ODIM to go and change jubilee. Never. He is just trying to work with the president in one way or the other as he speaks and says, one of my role is just to do what bring unity in the country. But you see from other quarters some people are dissatisfied with that. One, when they speak, you see when Murade comes out and speak, one we never know whether it is true or false, but it is yet to be confirmed. When Beth Mugos comes out and speak, we never know maybe it is true. But these are never, we cannot say they are the spokesmen of the president. There are those people when they speak, we shall know it is true. When Omangina comes out and speaks it out, then we shall know it is true. It's like today when Eda comes and says Rayla will be in the ballot, then take it to the bank, he will be there. But there are some people when they speak, they are just trying to create the political animosity. Whatever is just there is just political chaos, just to weigh where these people are. And when they come out gun blazing, looking at the prime minister position, they are talking about elections in the party come this year much. These are some of the worrying things that are being brought to the party. You see that's why there is a party called TSP, the Service People's Party, that is fronted and being championed by Kewinjuri. There is the CRP that was registered long time ago, that is with Wairia, who has said and retiring from politics, in politics. And you see the Muranga people, there is always also, as much as they always say that there is disunity in other areas, there is always disunity in the central region, because the Muranga people have always felt that they have been denied to be leadership. Leadership has always been in Kiyambu and Nyeri. Even Nyeri they fought for it to be there. They felt they are not satisfied. And that's why even you saw in two or two, most kikuzu words for Kibaki were from Nyeri and not from these other quarters. The Kiyambu, the Muranga people supported Uhuru. So these are some of the dissatisfactions these people have felt for a long time and they feel like our people have like Matiba fought for multi-party. But he has been nowhere. We have Chasubia who has been just buried the other day. He has not been on the national politics at all. So where are we? These are some of the questions that are burning them because you see like somebody like Din Din Joro is from the same area Muranga. The member of Kandara is from Muranga. You see we also have also he is very reserved but he is also fighting his space, the governor Mwangiwa area. You see to go out and register a party. This one speaks a lot and speaks volume. The senator is silent. He is just playing cards but he is very silent. But he is just being smart. Not to hurt anyone. So these are some of the things these people are looking at and they are fighting for their space. And they are looking at if Ruto becomes the president today or becomes so-and-so today, we shall be here. These are the calculations they are calculating. And remember there a time I mentioned, I told you when Ruto came and said if I don't, it's not a must to be a president. It's not a must that people should die for me. If they are going to die for me just because of the president then let it be where at what point did he reach and realize that it's not a must for him to be a president. He can be something else. He sat down and looked at the baby eye and you saw everybody support the baby eye. Why? It favours everyone. Because someone sees if I can come up and martial people and they be voted in as members of parliament then parliament has power to upon the prime minister then I become the prime minister and that's why somebody comes and says okay let me pull a stand and say it's not a must to be a president. So the camp, the two camps so these people are looking ahead. Now this person is now, he wants now to take our position that we will be looking at. So that's why they have come out gun blaze. You see there was that statement, press statement by Alice Wahome. And then there was another press statement which I am still trying to follow up by Oscar Sudi and there are so many other press that are going to come out. So what are they defending? They are defending their position. Alright now there was a number of allegations that came out before we get to the backlash she got from the people she mentioned. The allegations in terms of freedom of expression she talked about the development and the economy. Is she really right? Can you question the president alone? We cannot question the president alone. When we question the president the president is from a political party that forms the government. The political party is jubili and for development to go unsuccessfully it has to go through the parliament approvals which is done through budgeting process. Cabinet does very little every power is vested in the parliament and jubili, the parliament is full of jubili which is led by the president with the party leader and his deputy. So we cannot talk of under development without mentioning the two and the members of parliament. We talk of the entire jubili. This is the jubili regime. So when we talk of the jubili regime we are talking of Uhuru, Ruto and the other people who are in jubili whether you support it through another political party or you are within the same jubili. So we cannot mention under development and talk of Uhuru and miss to talk about Ruto. So they are all in the same category. What they need to do is to stop and concentrate on the big four agendas that was in the manifesto. Remember they came up with the manifesto in 2013 of the stadiums which they came again and mentioned at the re-run over 2017. By 2020 these stadiums will have been completed. So 2020 is coming to an end and we are looking at the stadiums that were mentioned to be completed by the end of 2020. So these are some of the things I believe the jubili government should focus on and they should look at the BBI as something different but focus on the four agendas they have. The universal health thing was just launched but it has not been fully implemented the way it was talked about. The agriculture thing, the food security thing we have a big problem and in fact this year we are going to have a very big problem bearing in mind we didn't have a good harvest last year bearing in mind the little we had in the farms was destroyed by the rains. Now we have a problem with food security so these are some of the things the jubili party should be looking into and that's why at times I say and most of the times I say we should question our political parties we should put our political parties onto accountability and we need to stop having an acting officer at the political parties act who sits at the land place we had the other lady who sat there for five years on acting capacity the one who is there currently is sitting there on acting capacity and there are some of the things that we need to look into why can't we have full officers in office not in acting capacity because when you are in acting capacity you cannot implement anything your hands are tied so what jubili needs to do to redeem itself and it has time to redeem itself it has just to sit down and work on the big four agendas let them talk to if they think real is a problem it's a privilege we are running out of time I don't know what time has gone so fast but also when she said or what she said people came out and said this is not true actually responded he said I'm not there women rep of moranga said if you want to you don't want the bbi it's okay just say it I don't want the bbi stop pulling the president into your issues but then she also decided now I will rebut the same thing and she said let's listen in to what she said as we come to an end of this discussion kisiasa nivingzuri she will not apologize because what she said she believes she was right na li sema had the tissue These are a common statement by politicians we know. It will not surprise me to see them shake hands kwa much in the jubilee nomination time, because they will be there. This is something that has been happening and they say there is no permanent enemy in politics. They will shake hands, but the problem will be between me and you if we fought against them. You see right now, I can tell you, the common kenyan is very clever and they have seen it and they will not see a common kenyan fight. And that's why today we see most of our politicians are fighting among themselves, but the common kenyan will not fight. We shall sit together, we shall talk and we shall discuss, because right now everybody has come to realization with the social media. There is so somebody saying when we were in school those years, we were being told that by 2020 our country shall be this, we shall have this, we shall be having that. Now let us see what we were being taught if it's going to come to reality. You see people have started questioning the legibility of each and every government. What has it done? And as I said jubilee has time to redeem itself. It didn't take 10 years for Kibaki to build the roads. No, it was for the second time and he built the roads. We have the infrastructure that we have to the for a short time. So it is very easy for it to redeem itself. If it wants to be there for the 20 years it looked for. So the squabos that are there today are all about leadership squabos and everybody is trying to look and position him or herself where they will be come 2022. It's not all about the common manaiji. It's not all about the development, the economy, the big four agendas, the manifesto that we sent to the people, but it's all about where we will be in 2022, nothing else. You mentioned of something about the stadia and this is something that comes and it's connected to our deputy president because he's the one who said that. But also in our discussion here I asked you should the president be questioned alone about the economy and how bad we are fearing. Would the same thing now happen to the deputy president because people say the deputy president promised us stadias? Ya, all this and I have said we should question the entire jubility from the president to the MCA because implementation should be done by them. You want to secure the 20 regime leadership then you should deliver what you promised to the people. And if you fail to deliver this how will you going to help you? Now you see when they entered in they were all politicking from 2013 up to now up to 2022 they are all going to politic fighting for the space of 2022. But not service delivery to the people. And that's why you see most of them are bitter. But let me tell you if all these things were delivered I'm telling the truth, there will be no fight. So somebody feels I was betrayed. I did not deliver because I was the person we gave the manifesto with but I have not been able to deliver with him the manifesto. So what legacy am I leaving? It's a big problem from the other end. So they are fighting themselves because of the service delivery they have not delivered to the people as they had promised the people. They promised as honey but they didn't give us honey. They gave us bitter herbs which you are swallowing right now. All right we have less than a minute and I want you to respond to something the critics are saying come much the Jubilee party might go to a very serious divorce like was mentioned to the other coalition that it will be messy and noisy. Do you think this will be happening come much because it is expected to be so? To retain the Jubilee the way it is the elections might be postponed from my view just to have peace and whatever or it might be conducted by the elections might be called upon but the collection might not be conducted because of the fights that may bring and the rifts that may bring in there which will be a very bad thing for the government. So they can avoid it by not having elections but just hand picking people who will fill the positions but they may hand pick people and you see right now the person who is controlling the Jubilee looking at the structures is the deputy and that one you can confirm that because there are allegations that the Ruto's camp they have decided to mobilize every individual because you see they are the majority but the person who is having the difficult work there is the secretary general Tuju he's having a hard time and he's still having a hard time he might just be there for the sake of being there but at the end of the day that's what I'm saying for Jubilee to sustain itself it can be like the thing it was in ODM 2014 because to avoid the fraction the many black came to torch the elections then an interim team was created to manage the party so that the same thing that can happen in Jubilee in March there are no elections that are going to be there in Jubilee if they have not had the PG so how they hold an election so what they need first of all to have a PG agree and then move forward but without that let's not lie ourselves all right give us your final comments because you said the statement was a was a casting final comments or recommendations my final comments that I've always said I call upon Kenyans let us take our leaders into accountability and let us now learn that it is all upon ourselves because we elect them then they become rude because most of them have become rude and arrogant you cannot question them you cannot ask them anything they just answer you the way they want because they believe they have that power but let's take the power because it belongs to us and we shall change our country all right me thanks for coming Sylas and sharing your comments thank you so much also Bakum for keeping us company coming up next is Uaimasharik with DJ Tisqa and Ken Relby so we'll be seeing you again on Monday Kipit UI 254 he has been my guest he is a political analyst until we meet again have yourself a very good night my name is Dereva Hillary goodbye