 At what point were you like, this is a real company? Like, at what point did you get to like, oh my goodness, this is like taking more of my time or we have a lot of accounts? A couple of years ago. I mean, even then, maybe like one or two years ago, it was just a... When you're head though, what was that like? Were you like, oh, this is legit now? In my head, I was like, I'm like, this is like a thing, I gotta treat it like a startup where it's like, you know, like day and night, kind of die by it and just make it work. Do you ever feel the imposter syndrome of it all the time? I think we all do. I don't know, do you? Oh dude, I was at dinner last night and this is all we talked about. My buddy just sold his company, huge acquisition. Kudos to him. He still feels like an imposter? He feels like he tricked everybody into it? He also did it all the time on the daily and so we were both talking about it. We were talking about the reality of what that's like and coping mechanisms. Is he brown? No. I was talking to a friend of mine. We had dinner at my house and I had my friend, she owns a restaurant and another friend, she owns a restaurant and another guy, he owns a restaurant and we were just talking, right? And then three of us were talking about the same thing, how we feel and I was talking with my pros experience how I feel, a lot of things that stop me, my needing that need to physically do work, sometimes stops my growth. For sure. Because I put my effort into dumb shit that I could easily outsource. This is what I tell Nick every day. Yeah. This is gonna get real right now. So I've been telling Nick, he needs to make junior. Yeah. Because it stops me, right? I'm doing all these things, I'm physically doing these things myself. Right. And then our other friend, she was like, dude, all you guys were talking about, she was like, you guys just gotta own this shit. And like, yeah, this is what you guys, and she was like, I don't know what it is about the way you guys grew up or something. She was like, I just fucking accepted it. I'm just it, this is just me. I was like, fuck, I gotta get on that level. Yeah. And she was like, we as managers have two jobs. Delegate and follow up. And if you're doing anything else, you're just wasting your time. It's hard though. It's tough to relinquish ownership. It's tough to relinquish ownership. Yeah. It is very, especially when it's more creative. Like on your end, it's more creative. But I mean, without systemizing things, you're not gonna be able to grow. Right. Because at the end of the day, you have the same amount of time as everyone else. And if that time is taken up by this task, then that task is gonna go unaccomplished. Or you're just gonna maintain where you are. But that's another conversation where it's like, in our community of like people who are doing stuff, this is like when the first thing people ask you, you're like, oh, what are you up to? And you're like, oh, I'm doing this. They're like, oh, cool. What's new? What else? And I'm like, fuck, now I gotta have something else too. That's always the question. It's always like, what new thing are you working on? Yeah. Right? And it's like, ah. Like people, like it's like the restaurant, the Michelin, the book and people. Oh, okay. What else? What else? Yeah. And I'm like, ah, fuck. It's never good enough. Yeah. Nothing's ever good enough for anything. Well, there's an expectation there, right? And then I don't know if it's like a, like, it's not real though, right? Like nobody really expects you like people. It's the conversational thing. It's like yesterday, I get a phone call from a friend, hadn't spoken to them a while in like two years. And they're like, looks like you're killing it. Oh my God. All this exciting stuff. Love the podcast. Love the brewery. How's it all going? And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's your world. Exactly. Hmm. Yeah. I feel like it from the inside, it doesn't look like that at all. The day-to-day is very different. It's completely different. Yeah. And it's, um, anyway, we were talking about this last night at length and it was kind of like how we cope with it, right? Like the seesaw of it all. How do you cope with it? So for me, what I was telling my buddy is it, there's two, there's two things. One, all the fears and the fear of failure lives in my subconscious and particularly when I come out, when I sleep. And so then it just comes out. And for a long time, I was super good at ignoring it and blocking it out. I was so good at that. It was like all ego. You know what I mean? It's like plug into the ego and then it would just block it out. And it was just getting worse. And so at some point I just needed to talk to it, right? Yeah. And have the conversation and just accept it and be like, look, this is a normal thing. We're all going through it, talking to other people, people like you, right? That feel it. And then you're like, oh, I'm not alone in this. How great, right? And so you're in a safe space with other people and just realizing it's just normal. It's part of it and embracing it to some extent. Basically not running away from it. Facing it. Yeah, facing it. That's kind of what I did. I just doing and not worrying about the perfection or the looks of it. Yeah. The other thing is like momentum. So I try to keep momentum going. And then it's tiring, but it's also, I've gotten I think pretty good at just hiring the experts, you know? Not overthinking hire the experts. And I think that's why I like real estate development so much. It's because I literally can't be the lawyer. I can't be the architect. I can't be the environmental assessment company. And so it forces me to rely on people to do their job. And at the same time, it's like, makes me feel good, I'm employing people, but I'm also getting good counsel or good services. And so there's a whole component to, I think real estate development where it also solves the what's next because there's another project. You see what I'm saying? And so it's like, I figured out the construct of how to check the boxes. Do you have a end place? Do you have a place where you'll be comfortable stopping? So this is, so we talked about this last night too. For me, so everything goes back to the why you do it. The why. And it's not like, cause I like it, it's so fun. It's like, I love drinking. It's not, it's not that. The why is like super personal to you. And so for me, I've just always really valued my time and being able to dictate my time. But you can do that now. I mean, like, so that's a weird question though, because it's a weird, because I, you know, I mean, you can do that very easily with very little. You can and no doubt, right? But if you want to grow your, if you want to have kids as an example, like there's a, there's a fiscal responsibility you have to these individuals you want to bring into the world. And my whole thing is, how do I maximize my time with them without having a nine to five or without being in a chair all day? And that is the problem I've, I feel like I've solved. And so the question isn't, to me anyway, when is it enough? I have it now, right? It's what changes around you that then requires a system to optimize to let's say two kids, three kids, no kids, right? And so it's always the balance. And I think as an entrepreneur, you're always thinking, I want this, so let me optimize the system to get me that. And sometimes it's just vanity. Sometimes people are like, I want the car. I want this mansion. And so they work really hard to do that. For me, it's none of that. It's just, it's just my time. It's like, how do I maximize my time? I'm trying to strip, yeah, when I got married, I, one of the things that changed inside of me, I, like, I was like, I got to strip away all the wants inside of me. Yeah. And just focus on like the realness, like the communication, the time, time spent with people, time spent being present. Yeah. And like stop worrying about money in a weird way. Like, you know, but I'm still working a lot. So it's not like, so I'm trying to figure out what my end thing is. Because right now, you know, we cut back and right now we're living on like so little money, but still doing the same amount of things and still being happy and still doing all those things. So we're just saving and saving and saving. But why? Why are you saving? I don't know. I'm saving right now for like, I want to, I want to get into like real estate investing. Yeah. So I'm saving capital. Got it. Because I'm trying to systemize my life where I can then get like the residual incomes and do all those things. Right. You're trying to create a passive income for yourself. Exactly. Right. So you could have your time back. Yeah. Yeah. But I could even have my time back now. It's just like, But you require more. The system requires more. The life requires more. The family requires more. Yeah. But it never stops. Never stops. It only gets worse. Yeah. Like your wife's not going to, one day be like, I want less time from you. Right. For your kids or your family. Family needs change. I mean, you have a lot of siblings. Once they have kids, you know, then you have a nephew, nieces. Yeah. You want to spend time with them. That's what happened for me. I have two nephews. And all I want to do is make sure like I see them as much as I can. They're in Massachusetts. And so it goes back to the time equation. Systems here. Cool. I got to optimize so we can go back to the East Coast four times a year. Be present, right? Be part of their lives. That's like important to me. It's an ever-evolving thing. It is.