 Welcome back everyone. We were discussing about the influence of the spirit world on the natural world Here in the chat section Lucy is saying sister in our intercessory prayers We are declaring God's word over the members of our family who have a longing desire to have alcohol During family get-togethers not able to see any changes over the individual families I'm not understanding where might we be wrong in speaking God's word. So as Lucy what you're doing is correct Declaring God's word is the way in which we are enforcing The victory of the cross Okay, so when when we declare God's word or when we make declarations such as let's say, you know a child is in substance abuse and as parents They are praying that you know my son will serve the Lord because there are scriptures that say that Those those who fear the Lord the righteous their children will be mighty on the earth So when I make a declaration like that, I'm not wrong. It's very scriptural There are passages of scripture where God says I will pour out my spirit on your Descendants on your children's children and you know my word will be in their mouth So these are declarations that we can make and it is right. We need to do that because what are we doing? That is faith Right now. We can't see it, but we know that the power of the word of God will touch them So sister Lucy Continue to do that Sister you said Yeah, you can hear me. Yes, sister. I'm able to hear. Yeah, so I'm saying continue to do that It is the right thing along with that. You would need to have some patience Sister can I have any some of the verses in particular to declare upon their lives? For this particular thing is it? Okay, so can I can I enlist them and post it on the stream page later on? Yes, sister. Yes, sister. Thank you. Yeah, so I'll do that so you can make these declarations Yeah, and other than that see we we can be very spiritual in our diagnosis But it's also good to be practical Be spiritual, but it doesn't mean we cannot be practical so Going back to the example that I shared of a parent with a child who is in substance abuse It's different from your Sister Lucy Yeah, so along with praying along with declaring What the parents could also consider is maybe counseling like what's happening what's happening in the child's mind Maybe the child is not able to talk speak out what happened so speaking to Maybe a trained counselor or and you know like an elder might help and show us What are those issues that need to be addressed? What are those problems that need to be? Delved to it. So we can be practical also. Maybe counseling will help Maybe some form of therapy could help We shouldn't just because we are looking at it from the spiritual lens We must not dismiss the practical aspects That must also be considered when we consider both the change Might be faster Okay, so yeah, I just wanted to say that sister Lucy. I hope you agree with me Sister. Thank you. Yeah, all right. Thank you we'll move on with our Notes, but please keep asking these questions. It's really good. So we said about the influence of the spirit world and We looked at I was giving the example of emphasis where there was The influence of the goddess of Diana and that had affected everything People's lifestyle their worship. There were people who are making those idols and that place had become a tourist destination Just for the worship of the goddess of Diana. So you see how everything is affected Business culture lifestyle and we said art form, right? Satan can use art forms as his expression. So in this case the the art of sculpting Okay, it's being utilized to make idols for worship We see many of these things happening around us and we wonder how come people are into so deeply into these things Even when we share the truth with them, it's possible that there can be something deeper Offer demonic influence that is keeping people in bondage Okay, that is why They are where they are and and so we as believers will need to go against the work of the enemy to Release deliverance in their lives. So circumstances situations world systems geographic regions and territories I said Ephesus but even Corinth Corinth and and there was a lot of opposition that Paul faced in Corinth When he went to Athens, right or Athens, however, you want to call it over there people were very Intellectual, so when Paul was preaching about Jesus, they couldn't receive it easily They wanted something new something exciting Paul come on tell us something, you know some philosophy But even that way of thinking pattern of thinking Keeping them in bondage that they're not able to receive the gospel These are all ways in which Satan can influence communities groups of people territories and You know geographic regions We said Organizations and institutions sometimes there are certain organizations all of our organizations have a Vision they have a mission something they want to accomplish, but you see that could be organizations that Outrightly have the wrong vision you know to to You know, maybe draw people away from God or You you can just I mean, I don't want to get into it So I'll start seeing some details and you maybe get myself into trouble, but you get it, right? organizations institutions that may ought right outright Lee have the wrong Motivation or they can seem very right, but have some influences that mislead people So it can happen Activities activities we said like alcoholism. I pointed out We may find that it's very strange how in in a place where there's good education Good medical facilities good opportunities young people are still addicted lots and lots of young people are still addicted to Maybe alcohol or some drug drug abuse is happening Maybe there is a spiritual aspect or a spiritual angle to it where demons are causing it We see that there can be an influence in all kinds of other ungodly activities even mob violence Sometimes you wonder how can all the people get together and bash up, you know one person one weak person or Cause a lot of destruction in the city Sometimes there are spirits behind it The people themselves don't know what they are doing, but they are influenced by demonic spirits and those spirits Cause all this they cause violence. They cause murders. They cause, you know crimes against women So many things are happening and then people are like, oh, did we even do that? Why did we do that? It's so wrong So I'm not saying that, you know, we can resign Any responsibility like not take responsibility for what has happened But I'm just helping us think that apart from people doing things wantedly there can be a Demonic influence which is also making people do and You know to add to that in large numbers ungodly things evil things wicked things Okay, so that's who Satan is right spirit of wickedness. He carries that so When when we see things like this we can understand hey, this is what is going on here All right, and Someone came in the middle during the break and asked really good question How do we address? When we see that we're not able to penetrate with the gospel How do we really minister to people if they are caught up in things like this? So what we are learning in this class is helping us understand How do we approach? Right such communities. So firstly, there'll be the spiritual things Spiritual strategies which we need where we have to in the spiritual Tear down the works of the devil Upload the strongholds of the devil. So that's the way we would approach first Destroy whatever he has set up destroy it. How are we going to destroy through prayer through praise through? Declaration through decrease the word of God right acts of faith. So through all this we first destroy and Then as the Lord leads strategically, we'll have some Methods right through which we can enter in and preach the gospel and see a change in that particular Community, but imagine if we never understood this angle that there is a spiritual influence We'll only do the physical, you know or natural things that come to our mind and we may we may think that it's really not working because There's more to it. There are demon powers which we need to fight and evict before we can see the work of God Established powerfully Okay, so yes Satan and his demons can influence through these activities also evil activities now Satan demons can also influence spaces When we say spaces We mean, you know any any given space you go to a particular place It can be a building or you know like like some something that is set up for worship of a certain God Do those places have demonic influence? Yes, they do maybe even some homes or shops or you know Name any building could they have demonic influence? Yeah, they could if the people who are responsible for that place allow demonic presence Okay, how do people allow demonic presence? We look at that now But yes, even spaces buildings can have demons in them Objects sometimes objects can carry demons in them. Okay Now that there are there is one passage we will read it later, but what we recognize is Satan does all this so that he can Influence people we can interfere in their lives Okay, so When it comes to places when it comes to things we can be cautious We can be cautious in what we We keep with us or we carry back with us. So Simple example is sometimes, you know, we go on a tour we go visiting new places and we buy stuff We may not have an idea that there are certain things which are of worship Okay, something that is dedicated to this God and dedicated to that God It might be a very tiny nice looking thing that you pick up and you think it's a souvenir I'll just take it back home and keep it. But if it is an object that has been consecrated or Dedicated to some kind of a spirit that it may carry an influence Sometimes people come away with that influence and then you know things can happen so Whenever in doubt if you are doubtful about anything that I don't know whether this has any influence Just don't take it. That's all It's as simple as that and if you feel something you have has an influence just throw it. That's it Okay, so don't make it a big deal. It's not a big deal But the Bible does say that it can happen Okay, even objects can carry demonic influence In them So all this will help us to go against the enemy and take our authority. That's why we are discussing these things So now that we said yes Demons can influence. How do they end up influencing? That's the question. So we have we have listed here at least four different practices or things that people do Through which the demons can influence. Okay, so what are these four? firstly disciplines Disciplines so when we look at something as a discipline, it generally is associated with habits Okay, for example, you know, I usually say If you have to brush your teeth for all of us, it's a habit. We don't think about it. We just do it It's just a part of who we are or maybe we're driving Initially, it may be a struggle but after that you don't think about you're just driving, right? Or some other things that we just do normally. It's just part of who we are Normal routine schedule eat at this time sleep at this time. It's a habit habits Form the discipline that we carry if you don't have habits, then yeah, we are lacking discipline But if we do have habits, then it's showing that hey, you know, there's some form of discipline Now we are talking about Disciplines or practices that are regular that may engage the spirit world What people do is sometimes they engage in regular prayer They don't even know what they're praying, but they pray because somebody told them take this prayer go pray they pray But they don't understand when they are doing that what they are doing is they are sort of opening the door for demons to come and You know oppress them Lot of people can hear testimonies that people speak of and they say I never knew I did this they gave me a book I read the book every day. I just said those you know, whatever mantras or this and that and All this happened suddenly I started seeing things and how Because these practices they actually engage the spirit world So prayers are some things that people end up doing Incantations again incantation is like worship Worship and chanting things like that people do those things that opens the door for demon spirits there can be meditation meditation that people do That also can invite demon spirits And you know many other things which become regular Regularly people like wake up at this time do do this do that But it has nothing to do with God. It has nothing to do with with worshipping the living God Then we have to be very careful about those practices. Why are we doing this when we do it mindlessly? It's actually an open door for demons to enter in Okay, so these Disciplines will allow demons to oppress us Sometimes wrong lifestyle can also it's it's like You could say like a not really a discipline but Somewhat in that category because we do it repeatedly Like if let's say we know that we're not supposed to behave a certain way or we're not supposed to maybe engage in you know It's something like anything immoral like maybe some illicit sexual relationship or wrong Sexual activity or even drug abuse things like that. What are we doing? We're actually harming ourselves. We know it's sinful It's putting us in bondage, but knowing that Again and again and again and again we do the same thing as if nothing is going to happen But when we keep doing that maybe initially it's the weakness of the flesh But the weakness of the flesh can become a Stronghold of of demons later on because what the demons do is make the will of the person very small You lose your ability to make decisions at one point Initially you could but you kept doing it you kept doing it even though Holy Spirit is convicting. We are saying it's okay It's okay next time next time next time slowly. What happens my ability to choose? I lose it that capacity has become small and smaller and smaller and smaller And I'm just not able to win against that voice In my head, which is telling me to do the same wrong thing again. Okay. I'm stuck But In this journey at any point Demons can take over so when demons take over what happens is they sort of start energizing The whole activity and you're wondering I want to give up but what's happening? Why am I still doing it like this? Why is it all because you're no longer in control? You're out of control somebody else is in control Okay, so these are the dangers of anything it can be something like lying We just like or we control people we manipulate people Initially, we're just doing it thinking nothing will happen. What will happen? Nobody will notice that we're doing it But slowly it goes out of control because one is my will is no longer strong Second is we are talking about demonic influence. So that is why for a believer Being so very careful about our personal walk with the Lord our choices our decisions very important very very important Don't we shouldn't it's not for people like we're not doing it so that people will look at us and say oh such a righteous person No, there are other implications the way we walk before the Lord first is that God sees us Secondly, we want to keep the door shut to demons. We don't want any influence of demons in our lives Okay, so we said that certain practices will invite demonic activity in people's lives and also behaviors patterns sinful patterns They they allow an open door for demons to come in so we have to be very very careful So that's the first one. Please feel free to ask questions if at all you have any Okay, I'll move on the next one here is Dedications Okay, so Deuteronomy chapter 7 versus 25 and 26 this passage will read it and explain Can anybody go ahead and read it, please either on campus or online? It's there in our notes Deuteronomy 7 25 and 26 you shall burn the carbon image Of their goats with fire you shall not covet the silver of gold that is on them No, take it for yourselves Lest you be snared by it for it is an abomination to the Lord your God Nor shall you bring an abomination into your house Lest you be doomed to distraction like it you shall utterly Detest it and utterly abhor it for it is an cursed thing Okay, so God is talking about objects and even Carved image objects of worship carved images things that are used for other other worship God is telling the people It's an abomination to me anything that is you know like worship to some other God some other spirit It's an abomination to me. So don't bring it Burn it. They don't even keep it with you. That's the instruction He's saying not shall you bring an abomination into your house lest you be doomed to destruction meaning There will be an influence of that object That's what I was saying earlier and I said spaces and objects So these objects can carry demonic presence in them and they can influence now How did they in the first place? Get a demon into them Because those objects were dedicated So there is something known as Dedication in the spirit realm, okay, which people use like in the occult Apparently, I mean, I don't know too much but people say things like When somebody is dedicated they become a voice of that spirit the spirit comes on them You all may have heard I think in different cultures We've heard these things that somebody is dedicated to that God or goddess and they start acting like that that goddess So the spirits take over whatever is dedicated That is why when there are objects that are dedicated They can just take over even when it comes to cultural forms There's some art forms if we dedicated like let's say music, right? You dedicated to Satan demons You must have heard all these stories They start to influence people in the wrong way. I mean, I've heard of certain kinds of music that when people listen to it They they Immediately go into depression. They feel suicidal. How is it happening? I mean, it's just music, right? Music is not supposed to do that to people but There can be demonic dedication of art forms some pictures, you know some things That are dedicated to demonic spirits So dedication is one of the ways in which The spirit realm can get entry like the influence of the spirit realm can affect the natural realm Okay, so that is something we have to be very careful about and Look at it the other way we talk so much about our dedication to demons and sounds very scary But what if we are dedicated to God? Think about it. We say right. I'm dedicating myself to God. I'm dedicating my singing talent to God I'm dedicating my speaking ability to God I'm dedicating Anything else my home my family you see that again actually works Because it's very powerful what we are saying is God I Want you to express yourself through me? So when I am dedicated my abilities my gifts are dedicated to the Lord They become an expression for the glory of God. So even the flip side is Is something for us to look at? Consecrating myself dedicating myself is very very powerful Okay, and that I think is what Satan is trying to use the other way around and Unfortunately people without knowing or knowingly they are dedicating themselves through all these practices evil things that they do and You know worship and then demons come you dedicate the place before you start living here You're dedicated to some spirits We'll come and stay and then if you ask them how did you come they'll be like you only invited me to come here That's why I'm here. Okay. So that's how they enter through dedication We've got to be careful Yeah, just come to the Chat here, okay, no questions Online Yes, yes, okay, please use the mic So when we start in the spiritual room to approach any particular Place or anything that you feel has a strong hold Is it wise to you know refrain from doing it in the natural room later if you feel there is a little more strong hold? Usual tendency is like, you know, there is a particular place x y z and there is something so the tendencies to go each out speak But today there was an insight that you know, the first thing that we need to do is start off with the spiritual room of you know addressing it through prayer or fasting or And then when you feel still feel that there is a strong hold in that particular place or people So is it better to refrain on the natural the next approach or not? And I mean, you see it's all about being Sensitive to the voice of for God Some cases God may tell us to hold on that, you know, that spiritual work is not yet done So hold on maybe you need to go in later But in some situations after you've prayed It may be the right thing to you for you to even step in and start addressing it in a practical way also Only then the victory will come so it can work both ways. Yeah Sure Okay, I think now we've you know understood about dedication and we can be careful Not to allow these things in our lives now moving on the next practice that might affect is sacrifices sacrifices Apostle Paul He writes about sacrifices in first Corinthians chapter 10 versus 19 through 21. Could somebody online read this passage, please When I read sister. Yes. Yes, sister Gertrude First Corinthians 10 19 to 21 What and what am I saying then that an idol is anything or what is offered to idols is anything Rather that the things which the gentiles sacrifice They sacrifice to demons and not to God and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons You cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons Okay, thank you sister. So here as we noticed Paul is mentioning that the gentiles may be unknowingly. They think they are sacrificing to God But who are they really sacrificing to? Who are they really sacrificing to? Just go back to it and see verse 20 idols idols, okay, but There's more to that. Can you can you please read it verse 20 to demons sister? Yeah, that's what Paul is saying That they think they are sacrificing to idol But who is actually receiving the sacrifice? demons Okay, so there is this practice of Sacrificing as well which opens the door to demonic activity And so, you know, we we should be careful people have practices like they would sacrifice Material things sometimes they give things that are grown in there in their field or You know clothes Some objects from the house or it can be fruits food items They they give it or even their labor they work and they kind of you know, they they dedicate it to God So many things people sacrifice But when they are sacrificing What is Paul saying? It's not really the the idol that's taking it, right? There's something behind it and Then people talk about hey, I receive power It's true because power is coming but the source is The one that you know, we are not very happy about from the demonic realm So these sacrifices are a way to draw power from the wrong realm or from the wrong kingdom Apart from this we said material things are sacrificed, but sometimes Living things are sacrificed animal sacrifices Some of us are familiar with this right in some communities they do that they'll kill some animal and shed the blood Why because it's it's an offering to the demons. They're asking for it. Okay? Worst still it's very unfortunate, but things have been done in in the world things like human sacrifice Sacrifice of the first born. It's just like unbelievable what people do for demonic power in in their Lives, but it's really sad. It's really sad But demons can push people to that extent and people can yield to that extent because of their lust for power lust for You know fame and glory but Let us be aware that these things will also lead to an open door in the demonic realm but in the Bible there are references to You know human sacrifices King of Moab Offered his first born son on the city wall and God never liked it God was very angry with him for doing something like this, but you see to counter All these sacrifices Okay, God gave his one and only son the Lord Jesus Christ Who met every requirement one and only after that we don't see any other sacrifice in the Bible No, which is required for us and for salvation, but through Jesus God has countered all of these sacrifices The sacrifice of God's you could say first born son He shed his blood and he cleansed ours. That's like the best that nobody can ever Match up to but God has already done it for us and all these other sacrifices, you know after They do not glorify God. So sacrifices are a way through which Demons can influence people and communities now the final one here is rituals Rituals religious practices So there are all kinds of rituals that people have and it may be a part of their worship Many things they they'll walk they'll turn around. They'll you know sit stand so many things people will do or as a ritual There'll be a schedule morning. You have to do this. You have to be like this. You have to dress like this You have to speak like this. You have to eat like this but when people do these things There will be some power something that they are seeing spiritually. That's why they're doing it Because demons can influence through these rituals and these religious practices But maybe the people don't understand where that power is coming from but we as believers need to know Okay, and in our own personal lives We we can also think through and see hey, do I carry some disciplines which are unnecessary Are there any dedications? You know, maybe in my my life or my family's life which need to be broken or any sacrifices that that have happened which we need to cancel or Even rituals and religious practices if it is happening Maybe you're the only believer in your house and others don't believe they are still practicing those things Just stay away from those things. Don't get into that because you know, it's just real There will be some of the other influence of those things, but it's not to scare us. It's just to help us be aware and Stay away from these things. So I'll pause here for any questions Before we can move on Sister, I have a question. Yes. Yes, sister. Get her This is my lighting candle in the church. Does it have influence? Okay See sister, it's a it's a actually it's a difficult question which you're asking because I Think every time we have to discern You ask yourself, how are you feeling about it? See if it's a one-off thing Someone passed away and then you went and they gave candles to all of you and you lit a candle, right? I don't personally for me It actually recently happened But I was okay with it because it's a one-off thing. I'm there and I also asked myself. Is it okay? Am I feeling fine? I had peace. So I lit the candle So it's okay. But if you're feeling some disturbance, you're like, I don't think this is right Then just don't light the candle because that can also become like a ritual Because in some places they do that, right? You have to go to the candle and come back. So it's better to avoid all these things Okay, thank you sister. Yeah, sure. Sure In our side, I used to hear like When someone gets murdered After that, that area, some people say that I hear that person's sound there Exactly The same sound I used to hear Yeah, so see the Bible like in Hebrews chapter 9, I think it's verse 27 It says for it is appointed for man to die once after which is judgment so This thought of there being and there being a spirit You know wandering about All that's not biblical if someone dies and even Jesus talked about it when one dies if you Die like in the Lord you go to heaven directly Because Paul says being absent in the body is being present with the Lord. So what is he saying as a believer? I'm not here on earth. Then why should I be I exist right somewhere I exist He says being present with the Lord that means directly if you're a believer, you just go to heaven Now if you're an unbeliever, right? Then yes, you'll go to hell and then you'll wait till the whole judgment the final judgment happens. So Having understood this What are these voices that people are hearing and they they say that all the Murdered person is the one who comes back his spirit comes back. They're just demons Demons know how to imitate Okay, they there's something on his familiar spirit Where the demon is very familiar with with somebody's Activities their behavior everything they they are they in that sense They can imitate and they can fool people So they're demons. That's a couple of questions in sync. Yeah So, let us say there are scenarios where you know people give you give us this Do or some foods which is offered to a thing and the mind initial mindset is like, you know, we Upfront I say like no, I don't want to have so some of them homage But on the flip side during Christmas. So let us say I go and give them a Christmas cake So is it okay when they give to just take it as just eat it and just leave it there or Mm-hmm, you know up front reject saying no, I don't want to take it. Yeah, that's the first question Yeah, yeah, and the second one is suppose you are knowing you're unknowingly A victim of any of the stronghold could be a place or any people or Anything for that. So how do you really? You discuss that, you know, we are the ones who allow the demons to You know and into things so so then if you are a victim of any any form of a stronghold So, how do you really come out? Yeah, okay. So both are really, you know important questions. I was just looking for the reference here first Corinthians chapter 10 Versus 27 Yeah, I'll just get the NKJV version of it. So Paul He talks about a similar scenario like let's say an unbeliever invites for a meal Then what do you do? Okay, so I think it's from verse 23 wait, let's go back to verse 18 Was 18, okay, I'll quickly read it. It has an explanation within itself observe Israel after the flesh Not okay verse 19 What am I saying then that an idol is anything or what is offered to idols is anything rather That the things which the Gentiles sacrifice their sacrifice to demons and not to God And I do not want you to have fellowship with demons You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the Lord's table and Of the table of demons or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he now? Go on to verse 23. He says all things are lawful for me But not all things are helpful all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify then I'll just jump to verse 25 eat whatever is sold in the meat market Asking no questions for conscience sake For the earth is the Lord's and all its fullness If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner and you desire to go eat Whatever is set before you asking no question for conscience sake But if anyone says to you this was offered to idols do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you and For the conscience sake for the earth is the Lord's and all its fullness Conscience I say not your own but that of the other For why is my liberty judged by another man's conscience? But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken off for the food over which I give thanks? Okay, so basically what Paul is saying is first he said don't be Involved or a participant in worship right like you cannot eat like a food offered to idols meaning Don't be a participant in those things now. He comes to a place where let's say somebody is giving us some food And it is offered to idols As a believer he says look actually I don't have to be afraid all food is gods Just because they dedicated it to some idol or whatever don't worry about it. Pray sanctify eat it Don't ask any questions but if they say That it was sacrificed or it was whatever dedicated then for their conscience sake you refuse Understood, so I think very clear-cut like it gives you your answer So you can always go back to first Corinthians chapter 10 and your second question was if we have been a victim of Demons yeah in some way so I think We can pray and trust God for a restoration because if I mean We didn't know and all all of these things have happened in our life But now we know we can say God, you know, I I believe you will restore the years the locusts have eaten and You know everything that I've lost you're going to give me double like start making declarations like that Don't worry. Don't worry about the destruction that the enemy has cost in your life Just trust God for restoration and you know like come back with double strength Okay, great. Yeah coming here to our chat shaker He's saying if a person who is in Christ is dead and comes in a dream frequently. What is it? Is it safe? Okay, so shaker When we talk about dream interpretation we say that when we see someone or something it can mean literally that person or There can be an assigned meaning for example If I see if I see, you know My father in my dream it can mean my father or it can mean a person of authority Understood, it's not my father that God is trying to speak to me about it can just mean It's somebody in authority Okay, or if you see let's say Moses in your dream It can mean Moses, but it can also mean a leader. It can mean a deliverer Right. So interpreting is also something that goes into understanding the dream. So if you're see is seeing a Person who is in Christ is dead Now you'll have to check really pray about it shaker and see how you feel about it If you feel God is trying to communicate a message to you then pray and ask for an interpretation or Share it with someone who might be able to help you, but if that dream is bringing fear If it is bringing confusion in your life, then that dream is not from God. Just reject it Okay, because dreams can come from God, but demons can also Intercept with dreams. So some dreams if we feel it's not from God, you can just cancel Reject it say pray a simple prayer that says I cancel this dream in the name of Jesus That's it. Okay. I hope that answers your question Okay, sister Gertrude earlier. I mentioned first first Corinthians chapter 10 Yeah, I think you've written it already. Okay, Jay Warren, you have a question. I think Miriam Raised our hands first. So we'll go with you Miriam and then Warren then probably will wrap up the class Thank you so much. I have a question to ask In church if you are praying and then you don't fall And then again, they come back and pray for you. You don't fall then they'll bring Let me say anointing oil. They are oil. I don't know if it is real then they all want to Put it on your forehead and then you refuse then after that they will say you are rebellious Is it a must when you are prayed for you have to fall down or is it a must they have to put for you That anointing oil and why do they say if you don't fall you have a spirit of rebellious Okay, thank you Miriam So in my own life experience, I can tell you maybe I fell once I never You know fell otherwise Even if people kept their hands on my head, but the point I'm trying to make is the What we have to check for Right for effective ministry is the fruit That comes from the life of that person Or what has happened in that that person's life a miracle God has done a miracle now They have drawn closer to God. They're living for Christ. They're serving Christ. That is the fruit the real result See people can fall get up and do the same old evil things that they were doing before How does it help? falling is not Falling is not the evidence of Being touched by the anointing Miriam. I I'll just put it that way. I hope that helps you and if if we don't fall and you know By putting oil and all of that People are trying to make us fall. I'm not able to understand what what that is I really don't understand that Okay, fine Next Warren, would you like to ask something and Miriam? Yeah, I see your thank you here Yes, sister. No, actually I just wanted to share something but I think we're running out of time It's okay. We can always quickly just to just to share an experience actually some there was a person who in the UK Who sent me a video and basically their husband had passed away about a year ago And in the UK we have uh, you know these uh psychics and mediums Who conduct these services and people actually take it as a entertainment So they had gone for this and and a husband actually This guy was speaking to a husband and he said a lot of things that were accurate, you know And they were like astonished and I'm I'm like looking at this video in astonishment like in in in some such like You know in horror basically and the last thing that this this dead spirit said was By the way, the coffin is closed. It's too late now You know, it's too late now. There's nothing I can do So, I mean they were and they were trying to interpret it in the like a way that you know He's trying to tell someone but for me the interpretation was that it's too late now basically I'm in hell. There's nothing I can do the coffin is closed. You know, that's the thing But it's just it just goes to show that for the unbelievers, you know, they take these things so lightly and it's just dangerous Yes, it is very dangerous Never to to kind of Have any such influence in our lives to shut the door on it and thank you for sharing Warren these things do happen. So, you know fortune telling future Demons can With the knowledge that they have they can but we know one thing The only person who knows everything is God We we say right one of the attributes of God is omniscience. He's the only one who knows everything But demons through their Knowledge through history, they can sort of come up with some guess guessing game and try and impress people So we shouldn't be falling for all these things. Okay. So with that, let's Pray and close the class. I would somebody online pray, please and then we can Stop the call Okay quickly though because we have All right, let's pray. Yes Loving father in the name of Jesus. You're such a good God a wonderful God a loving father Lord, who can we compare to you about father? No one else We want to thank you for this time. We want to bless your name lord for speaking to us. Thank you for teaching us Oh god, thank you for the wisdom and knowledge about father. Thank you lord for the things that Your name about father we give glory and honor to you in Jesus name. We are prayed Amen Thank you Miriam. Thank you everyone. God bless you. We'll connect in our next class. Have a wonderful day Bye for now