 Welcome back. The river state governor, Nezom Uike, has boasted that he raised the most qualified person to rule Nigeria in 2023. The governor said no Nigerian possess his credentials and leadership experience. He stated that being a minister as well as the governor of the oil-rich state gives him the needed experience to govern the country. He also debunked in simulations about him being the running mate to any presidential hopeful in the people's Democratic Party, the PDP. He further retreated that power should return to the south next year as these agrees with the position of side and governor's chairman of the board of the trustees of the people's Democratic Party, the PDP. Uike slammed those calling for the PDP presidential ticket to be zoned to the north. Now joining us to discuss this is Sugbe Ilay, a legal practitioner in Darlton, Orgy, former publicity secretary of the people's Democratic Party in Riva State. Many thanks gentlemen for joining us this time around. All right, let me start with you, Darlton. Can you hear me? All right, fine. The governor of Riva State, Nezom Uike, I'm sure you are aware of the statement that is accredited to him. He is saying that he is the best candidate to run for the presidency in 2023. He is a member of your party, a full-flagged member of the PDP. Would you say Nezom Uike has all it takes to be the next governor of Nigeria come next year? Thank you. Good evening for giving me the privilege of expressing my view and I think the majority view of our report. I can confirm to you today that from the stories we are hearing from Devan Yag, the governor of Riva State is excellency, chief barrister, and Nezom Uike is the most qualified person in PDP as of today. The reasons are very simple. For you to be the president of Federal Republic of Nigeria, taking into consideration of the crises that are in different political zones in Nigeria, you need one, a man with energy that is energetic enough to have the courage and the courage to take political decisions across line and respective of whose thoughts it goes. Again, Riva State is like a mini-Nigeria where Bandra and the bus do not hear each other. Yes, this is a man that met Riva State in a war zone or a war situation and have been able to reduce crime and criminality to its barest minimum. At least before if we turn your radio or television, you hear one bus, two buses being kidnapped in Riva State. A man that stood safe to fight. Another landmark achievement in this bonfire, if you understand what I mean by bonfire, this illegal refinery of crude that is going on. That war is more than a fight against Boko Haram. Because this is fighting us, feeling even though that it's carrying it out. And this is a political decision yet a man has the courage to say I will go after this Katerme to make sure that he saves the life of our people. Now, if you look at this, development has tried the way he has carried himself since we're denied of May 2015. And checking or accessing him as a minister, what he did in terms of the imaginary schools and encouraging our people, because we understood that most people that carry out this dastardly act is because they were not properly informed. And when a man is informed, he can take a proper decision and he achieved that. If you also understand that he was a former government chairman in this state and won all their awards, he can take off. As a chief of staff to the then former government of Riverside, the brain boss behind the little achievement that was gotten by the last administration. And in this external, he has reformed and changed Riverside to a constitutional house. A man that has such quality, a man that has such courage, a man that has such capacity to take decisions across political lines is the type of question we need now. We do not need the... We do not need a big name that cannot bring food to our table. We need people to have a mind to take the decision. And one of the achievements we are having is because this is a man that gives a job. And go to the site and search. And he does not need a president. Excuse me, Nadia, I do not need a president that will sit in the Asorok alone. All right, Dalinty. All right, Dalinty, we'll still come back to you. It is much as all that you have said is still debatable. We still need to get the average reverse energy into actually talk more about the state of affairs in Riverside. But let us bring Shubhaya Eli into this conversation. Thanks for joining us, Shubhaya. Thanks for having me. All right, I'm sure you have been following the conversation. The spokesperson of the PDP in Riverside seems to believe the former spokesperson of the PDP in Riverside seems to believe that the president, the governor, Nesum Riki, has all that it takes to govern this country come 2023. Do you agree? That's on the one hand. And secondly, what qualities do you think the next president of Nigeria should have? Quickly, Nesum Riki, as an Indian under Indian law and the Constitution, is qualified by stage and education to run for president. However, it does not have the temperaments and the requisite exposure to lead the nation as drivers of Nigeria. We're not talking about the tarp on meeting here. We're not talking about some ethnic leadership here. We're talking about the Nigeria that has the right temperaments, the body language and the exposure to lead the nation like Nigeria. It does not have it. And for Nigeria, what do we need for a president right now? We need a Nigerian president that is sellable across the nation. A Nigerian president whose name the sovereign is built for controversial reasons. We don't want the propagandists with respect to my brother, Versailles. Yes, Nesum Riki, it showed himself the power to reverse people by propaganda. He used arms of means to demonize his principal, his boss, Ruta Mechi, to get to the heart of Jonathan and then go to the government house. That is not possible now. It has come back again to the same strategy to demonize Mechi with all sorts of stories. It has taken him several years, several whole years to come up with all this drama you've seen in the last one or two weeks. It's from aircrafts being discovered and re-discovered and re-discovered again in Germany to all sorts of stories about that shit and all sorts. We are familiar with this area, we are familiar. Nigerians don't want that kind of temperamental character but we want this stable calm edit, progressive minded and deliverable president, a president that is not biased. Come to reverse it and see what goes on here. This government has spent eight days of its time working for its people, for its people and it throws it in your face and tells others that's what the current Nigerian president wants. We want the pan-Nigerian. We want the Nigerian who has the vision and the drive and the exposure to this country. We don't want an ethnic champion. We don't want a man who is vindictive and who will demonize others. Eli, let me just bottom very quickly. Before I get darling to respond to some of these points that you have made, you talked about exposure but the government of reverse, they seem to believe that he has some very wonderful kind of track record according to him that he has been a governor and he has also been a minister. With all of that, he has the pedigree to run for the presidency in 2023. As minister I was a Pulosa failure, do you forget? As minister of the states, when for political reasons Jonathan suspended and removed Professor Rukair to Ahmed, who was his principal, he took over as prime minister of the ministry. As he went on strike for one full year, couldn't resolve it. Jonathan pointed a branch account from Canada State. The next day he resolved the crisis and students were back to school. He couldn't manage the crisis in terms of about the marjorie schools. Why did he find them in the country? Why did he find them anywhere in the north? They're all audio schools. But I've seen him here as governor of reverse state. He has not played one bus to one day. In fact, we drew from the students who are abroad for foreign studies back here. And also it's about philosophy and philosophy and history. He did this for a long time. He had the commission on over a year ago, he only went to have the complete. He has been able to activate one. In terms of infrastructure, I talked about building how many flowers in the city are protected alone. Has it broken the traffic deadlock? No. We are talking about outside, they have a new diverse vision. Ask him to bring his new diverse vision and show us why your promise will be fly-overs. All right, so we'll let him, Dalintin, respond right now. Dalintin, I'm sure that you have been following. Specifically, I want you to respond to issues that Eli has raised. He mentioned the temperament that the government of a river state assumes to have issues with that. He talked about how he saw propaganda to the people during his campaign. And he said that Nigeria actually needs somebody who is stable and calm-headed. Dalintin. Unfortunately, even Eli himself knows that he's speaking from bad things. First of all, he talked about a special. I don't know who we might suppose that the man that has grown through the ranks, who was a local government chairman for two terms, who was the chief of staff to the former state governor, who was a minister, according to him, a general minister in the last administration of the former president of the United Nations, who is a two-term governor. I do not understand what he meant by special. Would it be that all these things does not go with what of the spirits and all of that? Let me check the records. As a local government chairman, Governor Wicke was ascending that aimed him the chairman of Agon. Now he talked about propaganda. I don't know how the propaganda was sustained if former president of the United Nations was there in 2015. I do not understand whether he was here in 2019 to make sure that he protects him. These are cries that we understand that the people have come again for them to continue to cry. But I don't say that. Now he talked about the discovery of the aircraft in Germany. The question is, is the aircraft parked in Germany? Who took it to Germany? The former chief of staff who was managing the aircraft, as he made a statement this year, in what line did he make a statement? So, and again, you will know that the day Governor Wicke went there to see the aircraft does not mean that that was the day it was discovered. He said he has already established, when they got the chip off, they've already established a relationship with the company. And that was the day they had the financial to meet and that money has been translated based on what the information or the bills they are supposed to pay as regards to demerits and all of that. Now, you cannot talk about, can I deny the fact that Wicke as a governor under two years has flagged up completion of the flyovers and protocols. Can he say that he wrote linking protocols to true agreement that was the death trap and kidnapped day and protocol before that he has been free? Can he say that the trans-calabary rules is 6% up to 80%? Can he say that the OI well-meaned rules, sorry, has been free? Can he say that the general rules in Germany has been free? Can he say that the unity rule in Okaika? Of course, you will get him to respond to all of these issues that you've made. The truth of the matter is that Wicke is qualified. All right, thank you, Dalinton. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right, all right. By 2023, just next year, Nigerians will actually have the right and of course, the freedom to choose whoever they want. But let's just round off now with them, should we, Eli? So right now, if we're talking about the president, if you're talking about them, the right candidate to govern Nigeria, is it just about exposure? Shouldn't we be talking about issues and someone who the citizens can actually trust in a minute, please? So we'll just round off, Eli. Yeah, we're talking about competence. We're talking about measurable, verifiable achievements in government. When I talk about propaganda, this man comes up to me, Mr. Wicke, they might run on a propaganda stretch to become governor. Or as it felt, everything is just days in drama, propaganda every day. If you pick a candidate, I vote for Mbeci as governor or as personal candidates. Have you seen what has done with continuity in the rural sector? Have you seen what has done with the airports and those provides the airports? Have you seen what he's doing still now with the midst of scarce resources? Have you seen this Nigerian network? It's all about Wicke being new government for two times. For God's sake, how many of us are Mbeci run as governor, as speaker and as minister? We have seen tangible achievements that Nigerian government can. And you know, you need to have, if you like, if you like, you need to have somebody who is not totally artistic, but somebody who can break news. All right. Of course, that one. This man, the government has the capacity to expose you. He has a rich, first of all, government forum chairman. He showed enough character. He's a nationalist to the core. He does him, Martin, any kind of thing, running the country, he's a nationalist. All right, thank you. Thank you, Eli. I think it's one of the people I'm reminding me and that is a friend. No. Nigerians want a president who can unite this country. It's all we do. That's what's going on. And the most damaging promises of being a president is young, synergetic, and it's all looking. All right. Thank you, Eli, for your thoughts. We have been talking about 2023, who is more qualified to govern the people to drive the machinery of government and next year. Is it the governor of River State who says he is the best candidate, ideal candidate, or is it other Nigerians who would be coming at him over time? And we've heard them. Darlington OG join us, a former publicist secretary of the PDP in River State, and of course, Shubhaya Eli, a legal practitioner. Thank you so much, gentlemen. All right, thank you for staying with us. We'll take a short break now. And when we return, I'll be giving you my take. And here is my take. The burden of preserving democracy lies with all stakeholders, both government and the citizens. On the part of the government, it must prioritize good governance and civil liberties of the citizens because these intrinsic elements reinforce the foundation of democracy. Government must also be deliberate in building strong institutions in their countries. Strong institutions serve as buffers to internal and external threats to a country. And for who is most qualified to rule Nigeria? In my opinion, the president should be the one to decide or the people rather the Nigerians that he should be the ones to decide that with all the issues the country is going through, it wouldn't be too much if someone who truly understands the terrain has the wishes of the people in mindsets, the country. The emphasis is on service. We don't need anyone who would come with, I am in charge mentality to govern us because at the end of the day, leadership is a core to serve. Above all, we can only get that if we handpick those they want or the people pick those they want with their selves and governance and not necessarily some consensus arrangement and all the politics that come with it. My name is Justin after the near plus politics returns next week, but we'll leave you with the highlights of the week. Thank you so much. I think we also need to go back to say to look in and ask how were those people from a local government excluded? We had what Congress, what local government and state Congress is in 2020? It's got to 2 years now. At the day we had what Congress? Materials for the East and brain local government were hijacked. So the two local governments were cancelled. Congress is not over there. Normally, Congress's local government ought to have done it after. But unfortunately, all the mayor and the people went to court. They went to court. They tried the answer of the party. The party could not conduct Congress. Congress is supposed to have the government. And not even now. The matter went from lower court, upbeat court, DC, and the Supreme Court. So you know I expect the party to not go again. You are the one who went to court. And you are not suffering the consequence of the action. You cannot go about blaming people. So evidently, the great result, the great, the crazy roots of about 40, 30 years ago can no longer be as it was. So we are saying that what we've seen about 60 years ago cannot currently obtain now. So with respect to a crazy roots, as a moral fact, when modern civilisation does not really give in for somebody taking cartons from the north down to the record, if there's no business made, these people, these boys that are taking these cartons, they should go to school. So when you look at the patriarchal medicine, it's been about 200 years ago. There's no civilised world today where you find there people selling cartons. I was thinking by now, serious reforms that we're going on in this world, especially after the end-sales bitter experience we had. I was thinking, if I ever would have learned these lessons, I'd be going to see how we go straight into police reforms. It's a great deal of reform, to plan in the last, last period of time, especially in the police. I don't see any serious reforms going on. Where I would have said, maybe a lot of money is going on internally, this is that and so on. No, in many other states, where today we have the military complementing the effort of the police and drug, we know how much state governments are spending and that's why some of the governments are saying, allow us to have our own police force and then this money, this entire bonus, we are pumping in the various, at the various state level, to go into our own police. The federal government could lay out the guidelines. Can I say give them a hand? Our politicians are not as mature as they are. They are like children, they are like little kids. The ensouled protest that took place around October of last year was one of the best things to have happened to this country. The best thing. One of the finest is the phenomenon. It's an event that the police ought to have seized upon to begin some kind of internal cleansing mechanisms. Well, unfortunately, because of the fact that a lot of reactionary elements are embedded in the federal government, a lot of talks, armed talks, we are smuggled in, we are brought in that infiltrated, that's very wonderful protest that even happened for up to four days without any violent incident before imported foreign talks. When I say foreign, I don't mean non-angelians. I mean people who were brought in from different parts of the country. A lot of them were brought in from Kano into Abodia and the Nigerians, some of us who were at the protest, we saw the way some SUVs, brand new SUVs, were actually driving these armed talks to the centers of these protests, to interrupt the protests and to begin to kill, attack, you know, protest that. So the event itself is a very, in fact it's the first time in the history of this country that you have a large number of youths who come out to say we are denouncing the Modus operandi of the Nigerian police force that have been in place for ages, issue of police brutality, issues of extrajudicial killings, the issues of extortion and unfortunately that event that happened, it seems no lessons have been learned because so many of those manifestations of illegalities by the police are still going on because the event has come and gone. Nigerians need to learn a lot of positive lessons. We need to begin to have some kind of constructed partnership between the civil society and the police in its practical applications. We need to clean up the police. The policing mechanisms in Nigeria is very much outdated. The police seem to be operating in the kind of mindset that they had when they were set up by the colonialists, when they were set up to serve these colonial masters and not to serve the interests of the collective, the interests of the Nigerian citizens.