 The National Chairman, Ketika Extraordinary Convention Planning Committee of the ruling all progressives Congress APC, Governor May Malai Buni, has cancelled the party's National Executive Committee meeting, slated for Thursday. Buni was on Wednesday given the go-ahead by President Mohammad Abu Hari to continue to manage the affairs of the party and to ensure the conduct of its March 26 National Convention. Now, acting National Chairman of the CECPC, Governor Abu Bakr Sani Berlu, had last week fixed a neck meeting for Thursday. While joining us to discuss this is Biyadu Sholmi, a political analyst, and if Fidayo Iyaniwura, he is the Akiti State IPAC Chairman, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. It's nice to be with you all, really it's my pleasure. Great. I'll start with you, Mr. Iyaniwura. We have spoken about a lot of issues as to political parties, but let's talk about the APC and all of the infighting that we've seen first. There seemed to have been a coup against the Buni-led CECPC. And the last time you and I spoke, you had said something about this. But now, Buni seems to be back in the picture and he seems to be turning things around. Do you think that this cancellation has anything to do with the convention date? Is that date 7% even though Mr. President has said there will not be any going back on that convention date? Well, thank you very much for having me again. What I see is that normalcy is what we see taking place back in the party. If you recall our last discussion, I was so emphasized on this basis of the political party leadership managing Buni instead of rocking the boat. Because the position of INEC is so clear, particularly the INEC guidelines and regulations, Article 8, 2018, where stated that for any communication to come between political party and INEC, it has to be through a known, clear man and secretary of the party. So if the CECPC must conduct their convention at all costs by March, automatically it can only be by Buni, and every step taken by Bello remains known avoid. Because there is no document Bello can sign that will be accepted by INEC. And it is very impossible for Buni to write a letter of notification of convention and now have Bello to preside over as a convention. Because there are some documents that must be signed immediately after that convention, what the delegate list, again about the convention, and this same list of committee members and alongside the list of the winners of the spectrum of the convention, all these must be signed by a clear man known to INEC, which of course will not be an outgoing chairman, if the one that will deliver the convention. So whatever penumons have done is to avoid. And for Mr. President to have used his discretion, saying that the party should go back to the statue school, that Buni must go back to his position, and also who wants to govern us. Maybe the ones that seem to be benighted to cease fire. I think some of us have advised Mr. President Billy at least on that. Because what we are expecting is Mr. Buni must thoroughly be managed if the party will go ahead with the party's covation. All right, I'll come back to you on that. Let me come to you, Mr. Showmie. It makes me wonder why the President even went with the idea from the governor of Kaduna State, El Rufay, in the first place, to stage a takeover by Bello. If this was going to be the resultant effect, why wasn't it even thought through? I know people always give that excuse that the President is trying to stay aloof and not get involved within the party. But now that the President has gotten himself involved, even though El Rufay Beverly said that he had spoken to Mr. President. But now the President is back in the picture saying, well, let's go back to the statue school. But the question is, why was this even allowed to happen in the first instance? And how does this even make the party look to those who are in opposition to them? Oh, yeah, you see, when the major premise is faulty or minor premise is faulty, the conclusion will always be faulty. We need to start and go backwards. When Oschiomole was removed, the idea of a caretaker committee came into place. And then they now had a caretaker committee that was challenged in the courts. The validity and the legality was challenged in the courts. And it continued to troll along like that until when another coup came, the desire to change the leadership by some people who claim to have the backing of the President. And they succeeded in doing that up to the point at which Inek made a pronouncement. It was the pronouncement of Inek that caused a revisit of the issue. And what led, what was the point being made by Inek was engine on the point that he needed to give 21 days notice before they can change the leadership. That itself is welcome. That should never, never be part of the rules or procedures in the first instance. A political party is an association, volunteer association of people. Whenever they choose to change their leadership, they must be able to do it within the ambits of their own rules, the rules of association. It shouldn't be within the ambits of the electoral rules dictated by the empire or imposed by the national asset. So that is the first observation which I need to make on that. The second issue is the idea of having a caretaker committee. Does it mean that whenever Mr. President, not particularly but worry about it, it could be anybody in future. If you're not happy with the party chairman, all you need to do is engineer his removal and then have a caretaker committee. That does not engender good internal party democracy. There should be no reason why anybody or group of people, no matter how powerful they are, should be able to remove a democratically elected chairman of any association. The rule should be that they should wear to the convention, then present another candidate. And if you like or you don't like the person, you can then do whatever you like. So the error starts from day one. The moment we had to start removing chairman, elected chairman, and replace them with un-elected officers, that is where the problem is. And that is what I need in my view should be addressing. It's not about whether they should be 18 days, 31 days before the country. No, the principle, the basic democratic principle, that once you are elected, you cannot be removed except through the ballot. That actually means that it should be central to our internal political organization. So within that context, one is bound to look at the role of Mr. President in office. Mr. President was quoted to have, according to Malaam El-Rupai, to have endorsed, you know, their move against the Bhuni-led administration, while also we have Bhuni now coming in to say, well, he has the endorsement of Mr. President to remain in office. The interesting part of it for me is that you can see the role of the law enforcement who are busy reading what they perceive to be Mr. President's body language. When they thought Mr. President's body language was in favor of bill law, you saw the security authorities move into action to ensure that Bhuni was not a Bhuni, and I can go ahead there, you know, the secretary were not in control of the secretary. And the moment they leave a second language that Mr. President now favors Bhuni, again they have to move in and then ensure Bhuni remains. So we can't have a law enforcement system, you know, being run in that way. We should be building an institution, not, you know, an institution that depends on the body language of Mr. President or any other individual. You know, these are issues which are central, you know, to good governance and democracy in Nigeria. If we don't start addressing it, we had Nigerian police force look at the law, look at the rules of association within the ABC, look at the electoral rules, rather than looking out for the body language of Mr. President, we will continue to move from one crisis to the other. And in my view, we should begin to look at the idea that it should be an entertainment for any one or group of people to remove any chairman except through national convention. So in my view, Bhuni came into a group, so they were trying to ask him through another group. So it is this system that needs to be challenged. Ha, interesting. So garbage in, garbage out. But let's go to back to you, Mr. Yanwura. Show me, makes an interesting point here. And I did ask a question. How does this make, would you like to respond to him? But quickly, I just want to add, how does this make the ABC look, especially as it's inching close to a national convention? Well, let me say this clearly, because of time factor. You see, there is no political party in Nigeria that has its own estimated rules that have surpassed the position of electoral highs. So, you see, the issue of Osio-Mole and the situation that brought in Bhuni as a category chairman of ABC, if we can recollect, we realize that it was the thirty-three of Osio-Mole, that the leadership of the party managed to call for national, to call for necmetry and have a new way Osio-Mole was removed. You don't forget, it was the second thing that called for that necmetry. And don't forget the position of high-level, in respect of the commission's guidelines and regulations, concerning the political parties of pressure in Nigeria, that when there's going to, whether there's going to be a communication between political parties and the commission, it's going to come through the chairman and secretary. So, if whether it's through the chairman, then secretary can take charge. So, that is opportunity that the ABC utilized in the case of Osio-Mole and the case that brought in Bhuni as category chairman. But the question we need people to observe is this, the issue of category in ABC doesn't even know to electoral highs, doesn't even know to the party constitution. You see, the party is only enjoying a certain opportunity. The case is strictly and it's a party matter. So, nobody can fight it from hard time. They can only fight within. At the moment, there's somebody within the party that wanted to go to courts to challenge whatever it perceived to be an abnormality, before a competent court for agitation. We don't see we easily exploit such individuals. At the moment you are inspired, you learn the statutory to judge the party to court. And that will be the strength of the political party called the ABC. And this is why it's a thing what their practices stand. We cannot play my mind for receiving the position of ABC and talking about the situation that brought in Bhuni, because it was a recognized non-secretary of the party that called for neck meeting. So, in this case of Bhuni Bello, Bello lacks all statutory to court for neck meeting, because it's never the renowned chairman of the party, no secretary of the party. So, if the secretary of the party has wanted to play the game perfectly this time around again, even if they know that Bhuni is that program, they have to manage the secretary very well. So that when they manipulate the secretary, the secretary can do that bit. When the social media fight for the Bhuni and the secretary, of course, no one left a game that can break the game for their advantage. And that is why they find themselves at the corner now. In which they left no chance to bring Bhuni back. So, at least we have to just stop grandstanding, because the two Democrats in Nigeria will now open their eyes on grand and see our personal democracy, electoral process, be back to that. Okay. Finally, Mr. Chou, maybe before we wrap things up, there are those who say that it's the big weeks within the party that are costing all of this trouble. And most of the trouble that is ongoing in the party is maybe because of one person. But why do you stand on that quickly as we wrap up? Because again, I asked at the beginning, are we certain that this convention date will not shift with all of the things that we're seeing happen every day? Okay. If you'll allow me, I will come to your question by me to quickly correct the impression created by Mr. Agamagura. Oshomala's case is a case of not being, he was suspended by his own world. And that was what led to the court case, asserting the fact that it will not sit on nothing. Once you've lost your membership at the World Blackpool, you cannot continue to hold up. So the idea that the secretary from many meetings was because of the crisis created by the court case. So Mr. Agamagura needs to understand what led to that. There was no other option. The point I am making is that we need to ensure that when people are elected, they are also removed through a democratic process rather than some people coming together to remove it. This is exactly what happened to Pune and Pune is back in office. In relation to your question, whether the convention would, Mr. President has actually, from all the accounts available, officially and unofficially, Mr. President has made it clear that the convention should go ahead on March 26. Now, there is another problem, legal cases. We learned that somebody had obtained a judgment. One Mr. Amurus is last year, stopping the convention from going ahead. And APC is trying frantically to discharge it. As said, the discharge, the court order, they cannot hold the convention on March 26. But from what I get, that lawyers seems to be confident that that will be overturned. If that is overturned, then the convention will go on on March 26, provided there's no other injunction against it. Well, I guess that we'll all have to wait and see. Unfortunately, time is not on our side. I want to say thank you to Biada Shomu, who is a political analyst. He is the Akiti State IPAC chairman. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for being part of the conversation. Thank you very much for having me. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us as we round off the show tonight. We'll leave you with street views, yes, because Nigerians are speaking about their love-hate relationship with pedestrian bridges. I am Mary Anacorn. I'll be back tomorrow with plus politics as we talk for development. Have a good evening. You have to be safe as another person. I climb it to even show example to people that this is the way to go. Most times we are always in an hurry and there is traffic everywhere and all that. So people who want to just take an alternative route to get to where they are going to. It's not right, but we do it sometimes. But for those who have a challenge, maybe there should be an alternate thing the government would provide for them to cross. But if you don't have an issue, you just have to do the right thing. I prefer crossing than using the pedestrian. There are some people who are phobia for heights. And most of us, the reason why we do use normal this thing instead of pedestrian is because we felt it's stressful. Before you climb this thing, you are already tired. Then some people are carrying loads. So carrying loads with this thing, moving up, it's another problem. Many people want shortcuts. So they prepare crossing here than using the pedestrian bridge. But it's not right. It's good to do what is right. The pedestrian bridge is being guide. So there is no need for scaling that it will fall down or nothing. So it's being guide by iron. So it's very safe. There's no problem about that. You can use the pedestrian bridge. I don't think there's any excuse saying it's because of health. I don't think there's any excuse. It's dangerous crossing the express. It's an express. It's not even an ordinary street. And it reduces traffic jam on the road if you use the pedestrian bridge. If you look at the bridge for instance, it's quite long. It's quite distant. So people feel. Let me just go across in five seconds on the other side. But I think it's safer to use the bridge and you know, anytime I become a field break, it's you and that's the end of the road.