 George Bruno with the 21 convention the European edition we're in Warsaw, Poland, and I'm having a conversation with mr. Ed Latimore welcome Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Well, you just got off stage and we had a little talk before you went on stage And I was really looking forward to the information Your speech today was really data driven wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, and the and the data this was so interesting because what I was what what hypothesis I came into was that the arc came in with was that You need to have some type of ability to navigate the sexual marketplace Otherwise, they're gonna be repercussions that affect you like very real not like your emotions But we're talking loss of life Which was into a second, you know our lesser degree incarceration Down the line first and second or effects things that happen to you and things that happen to people Who are connected to you? And so when I started on research for this I Originally started just looking at the killers, you know the the big killers who have done these shootings and their motivations because I knew That I knew from just like what the media had reported some of them Came into it with that as their agendas the George Sardines the L.A. Rogers the Alec monasians But then I dug deeper and found even more cases of these guys and I said, okay, maybe there's something here I mean obviously not every incel turns into a killer But then I dug into the second order effect, you know, like when you're when you are bad with Women when you don't understand how to conduct a relationship the right way It usually leads to the termination of relationship Whether you have children or not so then I started to look at the statistics that were surrounding Children who were out of broken homes out of homes without fathers and that was further eye-opening and the conclusion I came up with was that Red pill saves lives and we used to say it as game saves lives But we were just talking about you know the whole I did if if you can get laid Then you're not really worried about killing anybody But I took the idea to a higher level to a deeper level And I wanted to just see what the data show and it just it really blew my mom and I was surprised There were a few times on a research at a speech a research for the speech I would go and tell my girlfriend. I was like, yo, this is crazy. Did you ever hear about this guy? Scott Barrow here about this guy, you know, Chris Harper Lee those Harper Mercer All these names and now like what's crazy is like these names are drilled into my head I never knew who mark coupon was right. No one ever talked about that guy It was a pretty big shooting in Montreal and he on this is one on the campus and decided he was gonna Off a bunch of women and and and they all and not all but most of them ended suicide It was a very depressing name But it was also a luminy To go, you know, it showed me what happens When men are neglected and neglected is probably the wrong word. I think a better word is A misdirected. Yes It seems like for whatever reason and we could come up with evolutionary theories why this occurs But it seems like women are just more adaptable more fluid and men aren't and one response to that could be Oh, man, you guys need to man up and and figure it out. We've been we've figured it out The other response could be like I brought up in the speech with the whole Uh grizzly bear and working with the salmon dipped in honey reference that the patrician know brought up, which is Human nature is human nature and when you ignore it, you get a lot of consequences that you perhaps were not Anticipating and I think that's what's happening. We're trying to ignore human nature. We are treating boys like defective girls. We can see that in the 80 hd ratios our diagnostic ratios Boys to girls we see That men are really being stripped from the home. We see that in custody award percentages or which goes to the mother which goes to the father and We are changing The the natural order, but the natural order ain't changing, you know, we're trying to change it But any working and whether we want to or not want to accept it or not There is back classes. There's consequence and And it's going to continue this way. I don't want it to continue this way as I always say I hope I'm wrong, right? But we're going to continue to get backlash and consequences like this, you know Kids in car street and kids not know what to do and what's crazy is I didn't even touch on the other aspect of it Because my thought process was focused so much on what happens to to men Given the you know backdrop by the convention and what the original Speech was about, but we didn't even focus. I didn't even focus on what happens to to women in this situation And they're also a huge victims because someone's got to raise them But we know the stats about what happens when there are two parents in home versus one the likelihood of abuse and where it comes from in the case of kids a lot of times from the The boyfriend of the single mother for is the great The most likely person to come in And we know what that does to these kids as they grow into adults. And so it's a whole A whole chain and if if I really Dwell on the chain. I had to like step away from the speech a few times when I was putting it together Because if you really draw on the chain, you see yeah, man the things are not Not looking well for society and I didn't really mean to be that kind of speech But the more I think about the implications of what I found and then look at the trajectory that we're on now I see that that is More that's the writing on the wall. Like no you can ignore it, but it's the writing on the wall How does one? How does one make the leap from incel and for those that are watching In-cell means involuntary Celebit basically a guy that can't get laid. That's what we Right that we can't uh, you know a man just can't make that he doesn't have a sex life He might want one, but he just doesn't have the means. How do you go from that? To being a killer or acting out in a violent manner. How do they what happens in the mind? What do you think now? Well, you know, I preface what I say because I know this youtube read that prefaces, but I'm not a professional. I'm merely Hypothesizing But here's my thought here's what I think the two Or no, I'd say the biggest not even just the two the two human directives are survive and reproduce All right, and it really is probably reproduced and survive Yeah, if you have to pick one or the other kill or have kids you're gonna have kids. Yeah All right When you remove that you remove you're effectively removing a person's reason for living Now and they're the reason for existing now how they respond to that You know one of the things I said in the speech I go look man, why don't you take the red pill? What you do after that is Is you know, there are many different routes you can take but they're all Founded on the idea that you know to you do the game now You know the score whether you become a player and enjoy the decline or you go track con I'm raised with a family You just say I want out and go make tell there's all kinds of responses to understand that was really uh You know, once you see the jigs up man, right? And I think it's that same way with the in-self community. I think there's all kinds of responses to Realizing for whatever reason and I really think they should be called woesels won't get laid man Like woe woe or more Involuntarily, it's not involuntary. You know, it's focusing on a thing and thinking nice the end of the world because you see these guys Oh, I ain't seen one in cell where I was like, yeah, man I can see why chicks ain't messing with that dude In fact most of them I go, okay I don't understand what's going on like well, it's which means it's a personality issue or something that's that Could be fixed with little work But but to the main point, you know how our domain back to the main idea. How's uh, how's one of these guys turn into a killer? It's I I don't think it's a big leap I think certain guys Given that they they got to have a certain disposition And they got to really see things as hopeless and I can I can see how easy it is to go This is a hopeless life Like I can't I have no Hope of passing on my genes is how they see it. They're like, okay. Well, what am I gonna do now? Well? I guess I could kill some people Make a name for myself be famous, you know Like because like because this led to me looking into like other mass murders and killers like Like the the boston bomber and the post night club shooter. Yeah, and and these are, you know, very different motivations Yeah But they're just as extreme like like people forget that there are a lot of Muslims Only I mean statistically speaking none of them have Committed murder and what I mean by that is that the numerator is so so much bigger than the denominator, right? But like that it comes out to be zero Numeria just want smaller than the denominator me and then it comes out to be zero And so like is I think that's the same idea, but that doesn't but when it happens, right? It's huge just big deal And so these are these are small amounts of guys, but I think there are many many many many more guys On their friends and maybe they don't kill somebody Maybe they do something wild like like you ever see that show to catch a predator same idea I'm looking at these guys going. Okay. You can't get late. You tell me there's no girl And because because a lot of these dudes, you know, because the because the whole thing you know They come in and chris hansen comes in and he's like, yo, it's chris hansen. I like oh, shit. It's chris hansen, right? But uh a lot of these guys They're not like I like kids, which I thought was really interesting You or you because when you watch the show you're expecting to get a bunch of perverts No, a lot of them are just like man women. I can't I was just happy to get some attention It's not the other and so like It leads the craziness it leads to guys doing things today one otherwise do Now they gotta, you know Having knowing the path is different than walking it right if they don't want to do the work. That's one thing But I think that part of the reason why the work is even necessary to be done Is beyond their control You know, I look it's hard for me sometimes to give advice on that stuff because I happen to come out the you know, six one Black tall strong. I don't think I'm bad looking. Uh, certainly not to the point where like My my looks are actively working against me You know, in other words, you know, I'm I'm not playing with any significant advantages So it's kind of hard for me sometimes to be like, hi, man You gotta you gotta do this at the very least it's hard for somebody to take take me seriously That doesn't mean I'm incorrect. That doesn't mean anyone who tells you otherwise is incorrect And there are loads of guys, you know, that's one of the cool things That's one of the reasons I love I love steve being part of the convention It's like you look at steve and you know, you see a guy who's like 40 got the ball head And we were talking about disaster. He's like 570 got a little beer belly. He's doing great things, right? What are you gonna say to steve? Yeah, nothing. Yeah, so we need more guys to To take the run this is what I talked about the responsibility in my speech. We need more guys to Take responsibility for themselves to lead themselves and to get rid of the term I hate the term in cell. Like I hate it because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy Like wait ain't look ain't nobody but with the with the invention of prostitution ain't nobody Involuntarily celibate right now There are people who might have What is the same champagne taste and beer money? Yeah, right, but there ain't nobody who just can't drink Yeah, you know And these guys gotta gotta realize that and that's the and if you want if you want a champagne Got to work and get champagne money. Yeah, but but but it can all be improved And I think that that's really a bigger issue too Is that a lot of these guys they decide that this is it? And that's it and they're not gonna do anything to make it better but bitch and complain I said my speech by la roger. I'm like, this is a good-looking kid in a bmw When he when he made his manifesto video before he shot a bunch of people and I'm like come on man You telling me good-looking kid in a bmw Can't let it ain't gonna go buy some you don't want to pay for it Can't get no five. I want eights and I'm like, bro You got well, what is it like you gonna keep inventing the reason for it to be a problem And that that's another thing I like I don't want to make it seem because I got I got to pick a topic to discuss in one hour And and I want to make a point, but there ain't no mistake about it There is also on the other end of it big responsibility And that's right and I and I think more than anything I that's what I talk about the solution I just talk about you know the problem But there's a solution the solution really is to work for yourself to build yourself up to understand What you need in women to not be afraid to leave to have a life with people around you and to remember to your knowledge A couple what action is going to be the only way to protect yourself from From the inevitable because we're all going to go through them and ain't nobody ever got to Any point of prominence if they haven't had their heart broken and they feel like they've been beat down You know we all been rejected And it's up to you to realize that that's just part of the game, but you can be more There's a guy out there right now who is for lack of a better term. He's an incel He's watching this on his mobile device And maybe he was thinking about some radical move to make Or he's on the verge What would you tell him? I I'd tell him that it's not the you know first off when you when you accept that you can't Get it Then you're gonna You know, you're not going to take action. Yeah, so I don't I don't want you To do that. I don't want you to accept anything is involuntary Like you're not involuntary of this hell of it. You got to look in the mirror and be like right you're not You're not trying right and you got to Put your ego to the side. It's the hardest thing I think for a guy to do Is to put his ego to the side and go, okay What I'm doing is clearly not working But let's entertain the possibility that I'm broken. Yeah the system. Yeah And if I can get that guy to do those two things because it's not it's not easy I'm not gonna say here and say it's easy But if uh if an incel was watching me right now Putting bullets into the gun thinking about going to do something crazy I would say look here rural These people don't have anything to do with your problem. Let's talk about it. Let's see What we can do To get you late. You ever see the 40 year old virgin? Yeah, where he's like, you know what man? Your dick is my dick for now. All right. Yeah, we're gonna get you late That kind of they're like Because sometimes guys just need a little mentorship like somebody to be like, look man You're saying some really socially stupid shit right now. Like we you that's not gonna help All right At the same time, you know, let's get in the little the duet room, right? Because like I said, I've seen you know, I've seen these guys. I got their phages burned into my mom now from Don't know where he is right of speech None of them are like I can't get laid ugly like like in other words, I've seen uglier guys were pretty Yeah, we're pretty one like They they they're fine. There's nothing, you know, someone's someone got money Right, it's not that they can't it's that they won't right interesting and and that all comes down to The responsibility the leadership because when you when you really think about it Someone was talking about this in their speech. I can't remember But about how back in like back in the day man, look There wasn't no god. There wasn't no marriage. I mean it was like marriage in the sense of like A thing we had to invent to keep keep people from losing their minds But it was it was the strongest dude Get the most jigs. You know how hard it is to be a strong God It's a lot easier today. Yeah, you ain't got to kill anybody today, right? You don't have to win a contest today. You know, you don't have to go off and and and survey The world are going to pilgrimage for five years like no Well, it's so easy. It's it's the easiest time ever. I mean like like we literally have apps Apps you seen your phone pull out and swipe right or left. That's I can't imagine like you think you think about that like there gonna be tons of kids who tell that story Or who are told that story like how's your mom and dad me? I swipe blood or swipe, right? I don't I don't even like I've never used one not not that I'm above it. I just been Related to sure longer than tender. Oh had been in existence. So never got to use it interesting It's not that they can't it's that they won't yeah And there's hope for that guy out there. There's always hope. I hope I hope They're like something I don't know how this is tagged on the internet or anything that's behind me But I hope someone comes across this and I hope they go, okay Maybe just maybe I'm a piece of shit like Like maybe not to that extreme But but that's like the heart that like I said man, and that's the hardest thing for a far man to do to go And it seems to transcend His sexual success is evident. Yeah, but these guys should do these things For a man to go, you know what what I'm doing is not working Let me Let me try another approach Not let me throw it again. Not. Let me break my console. Let me start playing another game A man with options Become a man with options. Yeah, don't feel that there's only one way out Exactly, you know and And a lot of these guys too They're like they're like let me go and you know try and get The the non who's a blonde. Yes, like man. Come on, man. I'm I'm I'm at a lot of more I'm not getting an honest one like bro. You gotta You gotta work your way up. Yeah, you know For perhaps perhaps realize your budget is not Uh reflective of your taste. Yeah, and then you can Work with that. But but I think a lot of it is guys are looking for a reason To justify a little more way to justify their their laziness because that's what a lot of people want they want justification They don't want solutions, right? I like that You heard it from ed latimore That there is hope and that you do have options And that there's more than one way out of a situation Look within explore It has to do with your will Conversation with ed latimore. Thank you Ed. Thank you, George