 what it did with our background there but it was gone all of a sudden. It looks like we got a lot of our usuals and a few new ones out there. Thank you guys for all showing up. Today we're going to be talking about Drew Smith's week. So that's Drew Smith over there from the genealogy guys and we're going to think about it. And then the other way is Christine and she was his team captain for the week. I'm Mindy Silva and I'm the overall coordinator of the wiki tree challenge. Now, in case you don't know what wiki tree is, it's a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. In other words, we work to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and it's free. The wiki tree challenge now is where we take a team of wiki trees. Christine, you got me there on a genealogist guest star's tree and we collaborate to make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else. Our goal is to improve our accuracy on wiki tree, add more family connections, and make more friends, which we do. This week we worked on the branches of Drew Smith. So now here is Christine to tell you what we found. Oh dear. All right. So we'll start with Charles Henry Smith. So we knew right away that there was a big collection of letters that had been handed down through the family somewhere and I know you knew about them but you didn't know the contents maybe of all of them and they hadn't been transcribed. So they have been transcribed and they were combed thoroughly for hints. So from the letters we know that Phillip and his family left Ireland. We know that they left in 1849. We know this is around the time that the potato famine won a lot of families left Ireland and we know that those ships were not the best places to be and everybody had cholera on the ship and a lot of passengers died and Phillip wrote about this to his family describing how the trip was and how everybody was so sick and how they would throw the bodies overboard into the sea. But they successively immigrated and now we have all these letters. We were not able to get anywhere with Charles's paternal line but I don't know if you want to go to the next slide there, Mindy. We have parents for Marianne Riley. So we have found her father to be another Phillip, Phillip Riley, from County Cavern, Ireland and his wife's name was Rosina or Rosa Rooney. So there's a whole new family for you. She's always been a mystery and I'm wondering if this will determine who her sort of well I say adopted daughter but the woman she treated as a daughter which was sometimes called her niece but I don't know if it's yes I've seen that before yeah I think her name was Catherine if I remember. Kitty yeah maybe went by Kitty. Yeah she's she's married in the same plot or in the same yeah but yeah cool but no that's great. And those Irish emigrant those banking records are awesome you know for when you don't have like a census or something else to provide you with a location and names and stuff of some of the families in the area. Interesting have you linked me to Mickey Rooney yet or oh darn. And I think one of our team members actually might have found the immigration record. They think your family came in in 1847 on the Scootiac from Ireland. Okay okay I don't know about the lockout hair though. Yeah so there was another letter and I don't think we still have narrowed down exactly who that hair belongs to but have we? Yeah we actually have the hair we just don't have the relation to the family. Oh that's what it was. Yeah it was kept with the letters that belonged to the cousin you were talking to us about before we went on air and so that still hasn't been connected but that family has been fleshed out. Interesting okay. And the little slip of paper there says on Thursday last age 21 John second son of Mr. B.J. Smith printer of this town. The estimable estimable qualities he displayed proved a consolation to his family and friends and make their loss the more to be deplored. His apprenticeship as a compositor on the Suffolk Chronicle terminated but a few weeks since. During the severe seven years he was employed in our establishment it is due to his memory to remark not a single instance occurred in which his conduct called forth a word of reproof. If that isn't a high praise I don't know what it is. And it was really tragic though because the the man Benjamin Jacob Smith was the father and you know he was well known but his two of his sons died within two months of each other so you know he lost them very and very suddenly it wasn't like they had a long time illness or anything they were still young and died suddenly and then two years later his 20 year old daughter who had never even married she died. So he had just a lot of a lot of tragedy in that section so you know the the team member that was working on this went through and added several generations you know just in the hopes that we can continue to work on it and find out how those are related because was something as personal as a lock of hair they have to be connected somehow yeah yeah but you mentioned the cholera that Philip talked about on his letters and I know in another letter that I do remember he talked about how much there was in Newark New Jersey how much illness there was when he was talking you know emailing is uh emailing sending letters before email yeah snail mail to Mobile Alabama talking to his daughter and other people he knew but oh he said how horrible things were in Newark New Jersey in the probably the 1850s and if you go in on his profile now that you're allowed yes you will see all those transcriptions and the copies of the letters yeah it's quite fantastic yes I just want to thank my cousin for preserving those her family and Mobile all the way down to her just I got so lucky oh certainly that is just an amazing family you know airline to have unbelievable yeah uh mary bannon yes um oh Peter was a bad boy we did not have brick walls we just had tidbits yeah we're just fighting extra stories I love stories I love so yeah he was charged with assaulting a police officer in Oldbury in 1867 but it was dismissed um now as it turns out when everybody was looking for marriage records yes um Mary Ann Hyland who married William they were married the same day as her brother to his sister yep double marriage so you have yeah we see that all the time mm-hmm that's so cool it always makes you wonder what the story is though you know I mean really was that planned or um you know I don't know there's something going on at the time that they both went let's get married is it just cheaper to do it all at once rather than have two separate weddings right get everybody to travel there once not have to worry with going to two different weddings yeah in my family and recently like not like within the last hundred years not even back in 1800s I have three siblings married to three siblings I can't wait to read the story of assaulting the police officer though that ought to be pretty good yeah that was that was pretty interesting and he was lucky that um you know nothing really bad happened in the end but mm-hmm well I think it's back then you could be um you could be sent off you could be sent to be somebody's indentured servant over over here in the new in the new lands but so well oh can we skip wine class no wait a minute it's a great did louis do all this I know louis was hard at work on the jewish lines you know quite a few yes there was a lot of work and a lot of back and forth and a lot of can't wait to go back and read any of that yeah well that's not easy at least the names were not cohen or anything they were a little more unusual it was still hard um everybody had difficulty actually trying to find records with wine glass on them mm-hmm they get mistranscribed so often misspelled terrible it's I've seen wine's land gland I've seen yeah it's all over the play and wine wi end and it depends on how the person spelled it and then how their handwriting is like yeah they do the fs before the double s at the end or right you know all their little flourishes so anyway we found frumat's parents so you have another set of yeah rates in there yeah she was a circle that didn't know anything about her parents yeah so her father is abraham circle and her mother is hinda bernstein very good all right yeah unfortunately we couldn't take it further than that but it's always so hard you know when you get caught up in the week and you just keep going oh my god i've only got like two days and then there's so much like of the similar names and you kind of get lost and you got to walk away it was tough i i early on when i was working on my grandmother with rachel uh that i thought i would had attached her to the wrong parents because it turns out she had a first cousin rachel that her father's brother had a daughter rachel that was born like two years earlier or later and i'm like i thought for a little while maybe i'd been wrong all these years about who my great grandparents were until i realized oh there's two cousins named rachel so yes we had a couple instances of that too where people were trying to figure out and not just in this line yeah but in other lines as well where definitely where siblings would have children at the same time and then name them the same thing especially when you get into the irish naming conventions and you have to you follow like the father's father's name and then the whatever so it's been interesting all those matching names and that tree widget just to point out is another one of those fun tools and toys we have here on wiki tree um you know where you can take that and embed it directly into your website or you know somewhere else in a dynamically update so if you don't have somebody's grandparent now when you find it later it'll go out and refresh itself so we like our toys here at wiki tree you do all right sarah yeah i know this is i love sarah this one was a really difficult one as well everybody was really trying to hard to find anything that they could yeah um but her father has a father now eliezer interesting and her mother hannah also has parents now so we have um see erie seagull and elka niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra that's a name i've never seen that's an interesting game and that's a little more unique so see they're all common so there's a brand new surname for you too i love it i see go ahead only discovered kind of recently but yeah no i didn't know anything about bass past that with hannah so that's terrific yeah and we were we were pretty sure you hadn't seen those tombstone records because we have exact dates now for all of them would i've seen them i couldn't have translated them anyway oh no they have somebody was trying to okay somebody was trying to encourage somebody to go to a cemetery to down the tombstones and they said there's only 26 000 of them yeah he said if i have more time this week i'd go do it but there's 26 000 people on that cemetery so yeah wow which cemetery is that is that do you know the acacia one or one of the other ones oh i know the acacia one was the one we found first and that had wine wine glasses and grottoits and some other family members okay grouped in there yeah and then i think there was other like corollary people that were found with similar names and then everybody was trying to tie them also back into your family but um in a week it just can't be done no uh edmund oh boy wow edmund they like that name oh really well no yeah well we did find well we didn't get further back we just found a couple of things about him um we believe that he served as a musician in the civil war well that's interesting for the confederacy yeah well it's the south it's south carolina come on i know i know robert b king was in the confederacy as a soldier he's marked that way but yeah but edmund yeah i didn't know if he was he did he served but and there's an article here where himself and a whole bunch of other men up to even elderly men um in their 80s were rounded up by somebody and arrested now the article doesn't go into it's an account from somebody who was traveling through um edge field or that area i think it was saluda oh yeah well saluda is the part of yeah that's part of it it's a split off county from edge field but yeah it was in there and they were talking about this horrible scene where this gentleman was rounding up all these elderly people and it's really point to like you know and i was meandering through town after i went to the shop here i was a guest to sit around you know it was like that it was awesome i love how they used to write yeah and then there were two people that somebody they pointed out was kind enough like the one guy had his wife was on her deathbed and so they were gonna arrest him and they didn't and they were like well so we did show some kindness like to those bad confederates you know but um yeah but yes edmund was among those that were arrested interesting yeah um and then we yeah we didn't get anywhere we didn't find his mother's maiden name we didn't uh there is a possibility we might have found his father um in the slave schedules i don't know what years those were yeah i know i i know his fought james uh james james i've seen a probate record where james was going to leave a single he only had like a single slave and he was going to leave it dead okay uh a female slave i don't even remember if she was i don't even know think she was named i have to go back and look but yeah that's the only slave i know that james might have had he might have had others but that was that one was in his probate but that was in the 1850s and james went on to live until the 1880s i used to joke that james and his wife were the same age in 1850 and every 10 years he would get 10 years older and she'd get eight years older and by 1880 she was a good six years younger than he was so yeah that's the way to do it yeah uh so mendi thought she would look up all these martins really do you realize there's even a martin there's like a martin town around there that is one of the most common names in edgefield on my hands yes i have all this free time yeah there are that's why i've had so much trouble there's so many martins i figured one these days i'm going to get one of my martin cousins to take a y dna test and actually you know on the different profiles that we have done for the existing martins i think he'll be at least a little bit impressed we have a lot of information on him and this is one of the times when we can use something like our space pages if you haven't seen those and i know you've been on wiki tree for a long time because i've seen profiles that you had back to 2011 um but you know some of the profiles weren't worked since then so yeah probably not yeah at any rate there is a free space page and it has all of the martin the surname martin wills in edgefield district okay from 1797 to 1866 i believe neat okay and then there's also which actually was looking encouraging and it looked like james's father was going to be a john but um but then if you look at the 1800 edgefield census which is also those are listed there there's a number of men that did not have wills so they either had moved on or or didn't write a will it still leaves first in speculation but it gives you a good place to jump off at next time you know and you can do things like look at the land plots or you know find other ways to try and connect them but i still think that john was the most likely and the ironic thing is the only reason that uh james was mentioned in his will is because he said okay i leave these to this child and this to this child and then i want the rest split between my children except for my son james okay so i'm not sure what the story was if james had already gotten his well whatever from his dad or if dad just really didn't want to leave anything to the son james maybe he fell out of favor we don't know we see a lot of snarky snippets in the wills yeah i know james and is what they were living in a part of edgefield called pleasant lane i think but i don't know if that might lead to some property records that might lead back to his father i don't know but yeah there'd be an interesting thing to follow though there was actually one that i was telling christine i said this guy looks like he threw his whole family tree at his well because he does and he's got this long will and it's like and two so-and-so who is the son of andrew by the way i think andrew martin died young um and suddenly unexpectedly and to this person who is the daughter of tammy and to this person i mean he's got his kids he's got his brother's kids he's got everybody's kids in the will so that was the rich brother i guess at all if we would have had more time this week we could have just expanded out off of that one will you know and seen a little bit more on how those profiles are related but gives you another thing to look at um and i know you're familiar i'm sure with neth nathaniel body's large will uh i have seen it yeah it's well now it's transcribed in a nice thank you oh thank you i appreciate that and uh you can go in read it and i think there was even maybe some some of the people were linked to the profiles if i remember when i was looking at it before so you can see exactly who's who oh yes fantastic interesting yeah okay uh now these are the newest this is the i didn't know about uh sarah and elizabeth fashis parents until well much until within the last year or so this is like my newest branch that i've discovered or knew anything about at all okay i'd say but but i didn't see any doc i haven't seen this document i haven't seen any of this so right so um there was a lot of effort on her father and her father's line but there was too many benjamins i think benjamin she tried to sort out somebody who was tried to sort out four different benjamins who lived in the same time and it was just you couldn't narrow down who which one was her father never mind continue back another generation now her mother's side though that is extended um so sarah nealy is the daughter of george nealy who's the son of james nealy who's the son of another george nealy george was a big name in there and george nealy um he is actually a dark ancestor and he supplied the militia during the revolutionary war in the years 1780 and 1781 he provided them with whatever i guess they needed and so he is a dark ancestor interesting okay and then on on the the older george nealy um i i almost got to give bounty points over this and i really really wanted to uh his wife was listed as mary proctor i believe and it was found that his wife to be agnes nicknamed am and so that was a correction as far as that it was incorrect on the possibly the reason i couldn't give bounty points on this is because we don't know when he married her um we could not find our team members could not find that marriage record anywhere so you know i mean she could have been a second wife you know what i'm saying yep marriage records in south carolina are so difficult they're terrible but she did show up agnes showed up in two prop two of the land deeds that you'll see on the profile that the team added there and um and then they said she showed up on the will but she had to have been in the later probate because i didn't see it on the actual will but at any rate i think those 10 bounty points should have gone to that person but unfortunately we couldn't find that marriage or you would have had that also ah okay and benjamin was um also in trouble you've got a lot of trouble in your tree oh it's like people get written about when they're in trouble that's why you don't always want to get good people you know it's right so he was we're good yeah we wouldn't hear about him he was sued for debt at least five times right before he married sarah nealy which must have just chafed her father because when he wrote his will um he left he bequeathed money to her children from her first marriage and quite specifically says the children of addison grant my grandchildren but none to her children by benjamin wow so that's pretty serious not just that he left him out he left those children out wow so he liked he liked his son addison but he didn't like his son-in-law addison but he didn't like his son-in-law benjamin but yeah he didn't like the bankrupt benjamin oh well yeah and you know i i matched some grants and nealy's that's also how i first learned about that was in dna some of my closest dna matches were people related to the grants and the nealy's and i'm like okay i need to end and a late cousin of mine years ago said that she thought that the woman was a nealy but i never found records so that's why this was a much more recent thing for me to learn about it okay now this was the brick wall chart this is what i use and some of the captains use and if you i know you've watched our videos so you know these yeah and each one of those yellow spots are the available brick walls that we look for people to fill and then where the little bees are and you can see those are all on your dad's side sorry mom but i'm a little surprised i always thought those were the tougher ones yeah yeah but they all i think too that because they were anticipated to be tough everybody gravitated towards the things that were going to be more difficult just to prove that they could prove it right yeah and you know yeah and because there was also so much filled out in you know your mom's on the southern side there was so much yeah that's true some of that's really really already stretching back so yeah particularly the bodies okay and then we're going to talk a little bit now that we're done with all the good surprises about collaboration and how we do things here at wiki tree when we're working on these challenges collaboration is key during the challenge and that's what we're all about one of the ways that we collaborate is the spreadsheet on the left we really really encourage people to use it because when you wind up to 25 to 30 people working on the same branches it's really easy to trip over somebody's you know work and make somebody lose work one of the other ways that we collaborate is that g2g post now sometimes we get excited and we get on those rabbit holes and we forget to put things out there and i think we kind of did that this week those rabbit holes were pretty deep but you'll get a link to that drew so you can see the comments that are out there that way usually where we claim bounty points were put interesting finds and i do know that that like louis has has posted a few things out there and a few people have commented so so that's great and then yes louis did a space page actually on what was that location mack mack how or mark of a poland or is that the one no well you just go and you read yourself that's i'll read it okay you're gonna have some reading on that and that's that's what spurred me out of the discovery of those tombstones was that the location was corrected so what you were seeing in the records was wrong and that was probably preventing you from finding what you needed because if we wouldn't have found that we wouldn't have gotten as far as we did this week cool i'm glad about that you found those see like christine said got lots of reading lots of reading you have to do i'm thrilled i'm thrilled and here of course is a discord where we've already talked about uh this is our live chat so this is something with us being a global site there are people around the clock that are talking in those rooms about something way past the bedtime yeah sometimes they go down those rabbit holes and then they start discussing things if we want somebody in the second set of eyes to look at something we jump in there there are people that go ahead and you know say hey i need an obituary for this okay and somebody else is like i got it i'll add that you keep doing what you're doing go down that rabbit hole some more and you know we we just kind of keep everybody motivated and it also lets you know kind of what's going on and then i did want to say this week that um you know because a few of the lines were so intense i did notice that we had some quieter people that kind of stayed out of the chat this week and just put their head down and worked really hard and either way i do notice and we all appreciate you and i and i know drew appreciates to every oh for sure everybody yeah that worked on this i'm thrilled you have no idea yes okay and here is where we get our top five valuable player um mbp so that of course this week was louis kessler and then for our top five overall second was a lane weather all these people have all been active every week a lane was one of our quieter ones did a lot of work in the background anonymous sharky we have robin baker and then donna bowman and can i say this is the same louis kessler who said he didn't think he was going to be of any help with anybody in the month of august i accept unless but if there was someone had jewish ancestor he might be able to help then and that's when i responded said uh louis you don't know about my maternal grandmother my jewish grandmother and i'm like oh maybe i can help yes so yeah and he definitely was kept busy this week and yes thanks louis and everybody else of course but thank you louis and then the the way that one of the ways that we keep track of how we're doing also is our point system we're not really in it for the points we love giving these this gift to somebody it's just an incredible feeling to be able to give this gift you know of helping you learn more about your ancestors but we do keep points and it helps us know how we're doing and keeps people motivated and sometimes they get a little competitive just a little bit but the big points are for the bounty points now of course that's 10 points for each brick wall ancestor so we had seven brick walls broken 70 points this week and then the smaller points were actually for adding the nuclear relatives and sometimes those can go a lot higher than actually the bounty points do it really starts adding up after a while on top of that we have people that contribute that don't get any points so you'll get a link to your score sheet drew and when you look at it going why so and so got a zero you know Mindy what were you doing all week there's when you work on stuff like the spreadsheet or the space pages it doesn't count okay if we go down a rabbit hole and we add the husband and then we add their kids and then you know and we are trying to extend the family so that we make more connections on wiki tree none of that counts it's just the direct line that does so yes those people that have zeros it means they were active in the system picked them up hopefully they were having fun at least yeah I think so some really great work went on and then so then we had just to show you how we did this week we had 319 unique profiles edited this week so I know some of those people were already on your tree or already on your wiki tree branches but all of those got some TLC from somebody this week great and then for the total edits these numbers always floor me you know we're just here for a week so every time somebody goes in and fixes a date adds a source does something to those direct or nuclear ancestors it counts and there are 1398 total edits during the week all for you drew so I'm so lucky thank you thank you thank you no really I mean I I knew y'all would do a fantastic job but I just couldn't imagine what it would actually look like so thank you for everything thank everybody really yeah it's been fun well I mean it's not it's fun but you know it's tough like not looking at the emails I'm getting from the wiki tree updates and just filing and without opening them it's like that's yeah that's Christmas without shaking the packages you know and even the people like we had Lewis of course was a guest for one week and we'll have Melanie upcoming you know we just take their participation roll away so that they don't see the discord room they don't have to like uninstall it or anything but we can't stop the newsletters so yes you get those emails you know or you get oh yeah do you approve the merge between these two duplicate profiles and of course that was the first one I got was one of those and I'm like I gotta stop looking at this stuff no I don't make you want to go look though honey you're like who's merging that what happened mm-hmm no I just filed him in a way I just put him aside filed him in a folder in Mindy already took care of it so don't worry about it okay but that was kind of funny even this morning I was get texting with my brother who maybe I think online but I was he was telling me something about the letters and something I'm like don't spoil it for me you know he's like I'm sorry you know so something about the ships that they came in on or something so yeah yeah and that was probably once again you'll get to read that but that was probably that where she had transcribed all of those letters and found that one game and it actually led her to those additional migration you know like the passenger list and stuff yeah I had no idea even the passenger yeah I never thought about it I if I had seen those names six years ago I've totally forgotten about them so yeah so thank you for that yeah that was it was two ships that we found it was Philippa Catherine was Columbia on the Columbia yeah that was the other one I didn't came in on the Scootiac yeah that's why I had never heard that one before at all or didn't know about that one yeah it just amazes me that people can even find stuff like that I know I know well I I go back a hundred years and I'm done I all my lines and and in Ireland have been toast well that's one of the great things though about the the mix of people that we have you know and people from different projects and people from different countries and you know even the ones that live in the same place like I'm in the United States so other people in the United States I'm like oh here look at this record this probably has what you have but then you know next time it's their turn and they're like have you looked here at this site this is a really good site to use you know so we all kind of pull resources and that's not something that you generally have when you're doing your own family tree and it's just really nice to be able to do that and reach out and then we're all learning to you know so when we do like the Polish records we're like oh that's good practice for next time when I do this and then more people jump in and and kind of help with it so I'm looking forward to the citations just to see yeah what records that I probably never thought to look at are going to be listed there for sources I can't wait to see that so yeah well I hope we at least met your expectations on how everyone did because everyone had a blast working on at your branches this week that's all I really wanted to have happen everybody have a fun time that's we even found the actual marriage record for Lewis Wineglass and Sarah Grotowicz and the actual written register did it say Grotowicz or did it say Levy yeah see that's still a mystery and I've shared that with every Jewish video just I know why is it Levy and not Grotowicz because it's like you know why or did you find no we don't know okay I've I've asked every well-known Jewish genealogist I know why is that you know because we actually kind of laid it down to maybe the rabbi just had a bad day and wrote down the wrong name well the rabbi coincidentally was a seagull oh so you could have a family a relative maybe well and even within our own group they really changed their mind several times during the week so you know one day they were like no it's Grotowicz the next day they were like everybody he was married once before I'm like no no and his mother well her mother shows up as Levy with Levy and her name at some point also which kind of confuses things although it is not that uncommon to you know to use your mother's maiden name included in your name so we thought maybe he just didn't you know put the entire thing but also that it could have been uh Levy it was thought at one point was just meant to be the Levite you know like saying what their religion was and he hadn't put the the actual her actual surname down so I don't know it made for some lively lively conversations you know what's really fun to do is research the rabbi that's always fun to do and find out where they lived and all and where did they live in conjunction with where did Lewis or Sarah live and that's really interesting too if you try to put them out so that's your job I know I know but well I did that years ago and looked at it once but it's probably trying to visit that again actually there was some really wonderful books online right now that follow the history of the churches there in the areas like Edgefield and talk about the different uh yeah the ministers and so for like Jane's brother Reverend Jesse Pitt's body yeah and they have some good you know history about a little bit history about the area too I was a little disappointed because it didn't have more about the people it's like oh we only had 12 people sign that this year our charter you know thing for the town and you're like okay well tell me who the 12 people were and they're like oh you know it was these two guys and then 10 other people didn't that was all they put you know you they didn't even put the names down I was like no give us give us name we want names I want to go back to so many ancestors and say would you write that down please dear well you're not supposed to give me more stuff to do until I retire but that's great still you know that's so yep Lewis is right yep that's gonna be a lot of rabbi circles a lot of people to go through so do we have any other questions before we go from the viewers I think a lot of I noticed a couple of comments go by we're surprised drew that they weren't closer to you because usually when we start branching out those lines like we did you know the cousin connection gets closer it's really easy on wiki tree to go oh how close am I to drew which I would have expected more on mom's side anyway but yeah with the bodies and like I've said the pits and maybe the warrens but um yeah those um yeah I wouldn't expect any on the on the smiths riley's bannons highlands and and well but maybe now that those names are out there out there push those out a little bit other people kind of add to it and you know those connections will get better that's great I would look forward to hearing from those cousins maybe they'll have letters like my cousin in houston texas yeah those are just wonderful finds that's amazing yeah that is just so amazing yep and that's all because my brother kept he went to a presentation I made at a national genealogical society conference in charleston on blogging for genealogy and he went home and started a blog because of that and then talked about our great great grandmother maryon riley smith and her business and the letterhead of her business and that's how my cousin found me through my brother's blog because she had that letter on letterhead wow so I know that was like and oh and and this isn't a good story but it's you know I often wondered how did my great great grandmother end up with the glass factory you know how did and because she bought it from she got it from her son who couldn't make a go of it and I wondered why he couldn't make a go of it and I had a suspicion but wasn't sure and one of those letters says to her his cousin in mobile alabama that his brother couldn't make a go of it because of drinking it's like okay that was the story so unfortunately all those boys died pretty young too so sadly yeah yep but so it's not all good news and letters but you know you got a history's history you have to take it all yeah and sometimes like you said before you know that the things that may be tragic or you know really difficult are why extra things were recorded so sometimes you're just really thankful to stumble upon those stories yeah and find out more about those families it's really hard and you know some of the earlier areas to go back and find things like vital records you know when your certificates weren't even required and you know you're trying to figure out how many kids they have there is one of yours you'll find that just says son and daughter in the list of children because they were in the census records of course when they just did the hash marks so by the time they actually wrote the names down those two children head moved you know head out right and there's no death record showing up yet saying who they are so yeah that kind of stuff is is just part of it all I guess well again I hope everybody had a good time because that's ultimately what it comes down to when we do this stuff is we're enjoying ourselves learning and connecting people so but it should be fun and I'd say you all make it a lot of fun well we certainly have fun making the connections and giving these gifts so I think now unless anybody else has got any questions oh I gotta pop up a reminder next week is going to be a rest week so go ahead and take the week off you guys have done an amazing job you all deserve a good hand and um take the week off and then we'll come back with another guest for week 33 and thank you all for watching thank all of you participants out there um especially the 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