 Hi, and how are you doing? Welcome to Hibachi Talk. Gorgos, the techs are here. I'm here with my good old buddy, Andrew, the security guy. Hey, everybody, Loha. And we have a longtime friend, Aron Aghman, who is our guest. Aron, what's up, brother? He's our guest today. Welcome. Thank you. Nice to see you. Aron and I go back a long way. You can only tell by me. You look young, I still look old. But anyway, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you. And we're going to talk about the kinds of things that Aron has been involved with at the Department of Network Infrastructure, Cyber Pizza, which you started, CL Council, which you were one of the big players on. You're also a radio guy, not in KSSK radio. Radio antenna guy. Radio antenna guy. You got all kinds of things happening. You're a ham radio guy who, I think I used one time when we had a tsunami happening when I was with the city and we were tracking you because you were the only guy still up and running. Well, look, you guys are still up and running. So he's got a lot of experience in the tech field and give us a good sense on that. Right on. I thought we were talking about pizza. I thought we were talking about electronic pizza. He started electronic pizza. I know. Everybody wants him to get it going again. And we've got to get it going again. We need electronic pizza. This is part of what we're going to do today. Texas, if you would love electronic pizza. Hey, you had me on many a time at that event, putting on things and such. You're an exceptional speaker. Oh, gee. Wow. I'm an exception to the speaker. That's how it is. You always put out a very interesting program and get people enthusiastic. You got the University of Hawaii to donate space, right? Yes. You got free parking for the people that could come in. A whole bunch of things and so on. So I'm kind of jumping ahead of myself, but you did a lot of good stuff. But give us a little bit of background because you're Israeli, right? That's correct. Yeah, we got to figure it out. We got to always go through the history. I need to teach you about Shaloha. Shaloha, right? Shaloha. Is there a shaka too? Shaka? That would be the next one. That's the next one. That's the prayer or something, if I recall. So tell us a little bit about your background. I mean, you came to the U.S. when and you ended up in Hawaii. How did this all happen? So I came to the U.S. in 1972. Okay. In Israel, when I grew up, I was all expected to become M.D.s. And I was one of those kids who would faint at the sight of blood and always played with erector sets. One day, a postcard came in a mail from the youth center of Tel Aviv inviting me to an amateur radio club. I had no idea what it was, but I was really fascinated by the fact that when they completed it, they'd tell us about all the technology and teach us about Morse code. At the end of the evening, they invited us to listen to them as they were talking with people around the world. So this is a radio club. In Tel Aviv. In what year? In Tel Aviv. That was 1965. Okay, 1965. There was no Internet, right? There was no Internet. And you were on a ham radio system. Correct. Talking to people all over the world. Turning little dials. Exactly. And what really grabbed my attention was that they talked with the South Pole. Oh! From Tel Aviv. That's awesome. Yeah, I thought that was so cool. Nothing could measure up with that. That's pretty... We had a guest on the show, Joe Ferraro. Do you know Joe Ferraro? I do. Yeah, so Joe, his architectural firm is responsible for the development of that station in the South Pole. Interesting. Interesting. So you get trapped into this. He was probably talking to Joe. You get trapped into this in 1965 and you're talking to the South Pole from Tel Aviv. Amazing. Which is one day before... Who knows how it changes in days from there. So you got into ham radio. Yes. And I actually used to talk with Hawaii in my childhood. Okay. Conditions were very, very good. I used to be able to hear Katashi Nose here. Who? Katashi Nose was a professor at the University of Hawaii. Katashi Nose was a professor? Okay. Yes. He was an avid ham. Probably the most well-known ham in the world. Really? Yes. Yeah. Ever since then I adopted the aspiration to live in a tropical island and leverage the ocean as part of my antenna system to do ham radio from the beach. Okay. So now... So here you are in Tel Aviv. And then so how did you... Don't tell me you're on a boat in a plane, but how did you get to the U.S.? I'm not U.S. How did you get to Hawaii? I'm sorry. Okay. A couple steps. So I got really interested in amateur radio contesting and what makes the biggest difference in amateur radio success is antennas. Okay. So after I finished my military... Which was a requirement? Which was a requirement. Yeah. I actually went to a military school where I went to an accelerated program in electronics and communications that set me up so I could... That's what I would do during my military service. Okay. I got so interested in antennas. I worked in antenna research. Okay. And I actually decided to come to the U.S. to study antenna engineering. And so back in those days, though, antenna research and for our viewers, if you think about antenna, you're thinking, well, what antenna? But you drive around all over this state, right? Yeah. Our cell phone towers, the antennas that are involved with that, the military antennas, the antennas that we use. How come we don't get serious radio here? Because it's the satellite, right? I think it doesn't fit into the footprint of the antenna. And the footprint of the antenna. Yeah, yeah. But we have antennas all over. Yes. And so the fact that there's a technology behind antennas. Yes. Sure was. Back then, it was dapple, right? Like, they were just... Well, dapple is the basic antenna that is used. Yeah. Okay. Actually, antenna engineering is not a black magic. It is a science. Okay. It's very heavily mathematical. Yeah. So, it uses differential equations and today, computer models. Now, is there a lot of people? I don't see a lot of ads in the paper for like antenna... Engineer. Engineer. Actually, here is the interesting news. Okay. University of Hawaii in 2005 was able to attract a professor from Utah and attracted him to move his program. That point was 25 years old. Okay. Now, the University of Hawaii is rated within the top five universities in the country for antenna engineering. So, here we go. Another secret. Why do we keep all this stuff secret? It's something about Hawaii and I think that's the reason why I started the electronics pizza. Okay. Is that we all assume that there's nothing here and yet there is a lot happening here. So, the ability to connect people. Right. And when people are connected, just like in this conversation, we're finding about this. So, what was your vision for electronic pizza? I mean, what did you want to accomplish with that? What I wanted to do was, I wanted to be able to create new companies that would emerge out of it. Okay. By just putting talent and interesting people to talk with each other. Okay. Well, was Courtney? Courtney joined us along the way. Courtney Brown. Courtney Brown. And he has helped a lot. Okay. So, you started, and you were in this electronic pizza for how many years? 28 years. Yeah, because I remember Devin Phillips and all the Linux guys and I was down there. The electronics pizza was formed in 1984-85. 84-85. So, realizing that the electronic pizza was a lot of students, a lot of students would come to this event. Unfortunately not. Oh, I thought it was. Well, everybody looked young to me. Everybody looked young to you, but unfortunately, this is something that, again, is a challenge in our community. Okay. Is to get the students engaged. We saw more professors. Okay. But a lot of professionals who were involved in IT. Yeah, there were pros. For some reason, no, I thought that we were, so that, again, We were trying to, even we offered free pizza to students. I know. Yeah, I remember. There were repeats all lined up on the side and you get all free. And it's still... The idea was that how do you get people in this community to open up? Yeah. And when you bring food together, then amazing things happen. Right. And so the electronics pizza sort of set the standard for other organizations that learn that you can grow membership and you can grow content. Yeah. Well, you always had great presenters and people that brought in innovative, new technologies and different ways to go in the career. Speaking of new technologies, we have this segment on the show called You No Got One Tech Job. So, you know, these are people that should be in tech and not quite how to get there. So we have, this is the one. People send us this one. Send these things. This one, like this one. Error 404. How many people have gotten that on the website? Yeah. Error 404. Error 404. Road not open. A road not found. On a road found. So now they would need a, if they had a tower, a radio tower there, a stealth radio tower there, they could have, you know, got that graded instead of this, you know, you know, You No Got One Tech Job with that kind of stuff. Glad that. Okay. So here we go with electronic pizza. You've been, and we still haven't talked about your business and we'll do that probably in the second half. So electronic pizza, it kind of faded away about a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago. And you did it every, was it every month, every week? I can't remember. We started with the second Tuesday of every month. Okay. And then there were additional pizza meetings that came aboard. One was the business pizza that was instrumental in expediting competitive telecommunications in the state. Okay. Like two years we estimate. Okay. We had inventors pizza. Okay. Do you remember that? Yes. The new product? Yes. The startup kind of persons? There was an inventors group in Hawaii. Unfortunately, the leadership was experiencing some health issues. So the group was fading away. Okay. So we were able to get it together. But we've had, you know, really interesting development. There's been a lot of things that have happened in Hawaii that end up losing their legs for some reason. But 28 years to revive it. Yeah. People are missing it. Yeah. I'm thinking with the things that are going on with the hackathons that you were involved with today. It seems like there's just, it's happening a lot. It's happening a lot. I think the key will be we have, well now we have connections now at the university. We both know the president and, you know, actually he used to come to some of those. Absolutely. David Lazar would come to some of those cyber pizza. Yeah. Well, when the internet became big, cyber pizza became the second, so it was like the third Tuesday of every month. Okay. And eventually we realized that anything was tied into cyber. So, we moved from the electronics pizza to cyber pizza. I think that's what I was talking about. So, maybe the thing is though, and we've talked about this before, is that there's a lot to get to all of the events. And I wish in a lot of ways that all the different organizations like ITMA, HC, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, HICDA, But what I may see coming up is the coming together, the integration of the folks that do network performance and network security. And they have been together, and they went away due to the fear that, you know, how can you trust somebody who builds your network? And so we've seen those cycles and those cycles. And so I imagine it's going to ping-pong back and forth. I think you're absolutely right. So let's kind of hold that network because you do a lot of stuff in the network side. I got so interested in this, I never even did the news, which we'll do when I come back. And we'll go get Angus. He's in his suit and tie again today, I saw him. He must be out there. I think he's campaigning for mayor. Anyway, so we'll be back in just a minute. And thank you for watching. You're watching me. Hey everybody, my name is David Chang, and I'm the new host of the new show, The Art of Thinking Smart. I'm really excited to be able to share with you secrets on giving yourself a smart edge in life. We're going to have awesome guests and great mentors of mine from the political, military, business, nonprofit, you name it. So it's something for everybody. Aloha. We invite you to join us on our Keys to Success show, which is live on the Thig Tech live streaming network series weekly on Thursdays at 11 a.m. My name is Danilia, D-A-N-E-L-I-A. And I'm the other half of the duo, John Newman. 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Good to see you. How you doing there dude? All right man. Good to see you. Good to see you. I'm on the other side of the nation, actually on the other side of the world from Tel Aviv. It's pretty cool. I've never been there. He came here on a ham radio wave. Yeah. I came here on a hamburger. Anyway, it's been a heavy year. So, anyway, everybody asks me where I'm wearing a suit and a tie. I think I'd run it for mayor. But unfortunately I never got my nomination in that time. So next year I'll run for mayor. Or I'll run away from the mayor. It was you who wins. Anyway, I got a wee, no Scottish word of the week, but I found another great Scottish sign. You know, I remember looking for these great signs. Look at this sign. Oh, see, this is a sign from a sign maker. The best prices in Scotland. The best prices in Scotland. He uses a piece of reclaimed wood, but he ran out of ink on his pen, I think. Anyway, and he might have spelled Scotland wrong. Oh, no, he got that right. But anyway, there's a great sign maker. If you need him, there's the phone number. Okay. I'm going to put him up on Twitter. I didn't think you'll find him anymore. Anyway, that's the sign guy. And I got a magic. And we were talking about electronic pizza. Oh, do you have electronic pizza? I want to be a guest on this show. Next time he starts it all up, because I found I got new invention for him. It's a pizza holder. What? How's that? It's like you put your pizza. Pizza pouch. So we can take your lunch with you. Put it on your neck. You can put your ID badge on it and you get your lunch. And it's electronic pizza. Electronic pizza. So that's what I'm going to be wearing next year. When I go to electronic, when Aaron starts electronic pizza again. Right? You're going to start it again. You'll promise me life. Yes. Say yes. Yes. Good job. You guys enjoy what's going on with the show. I remember. Like I always say, let your wing get free where you be. Hello. I guess that was quick, man. I just brought us some electronic pizza. Good job. On the security man today, I just got a real brief thing to say. I saw in the news that some guys from the airport finally got convicted. They were down there. Which airport? Our airport. Okay. They were down there taking bribes, doing some illegal stuff. And we had a presentation earlier this year. And I wanted to talk about this, because a lot of you folks that are working in the transportation industry, and maybe you're taking money to do something that you shouldn't be taking money to do, the important thing you need to realize is that those people that are paying you to pass packages along or whatever it is you may be doing, you never know when those guys may be influenced by terrorists. And the next thing you know, you're putting bombs on those planes instead of just passing whatever kind of material that you're passing. So, pay attention to your community. Do your job well. Have some ethics out there. It scares me airport insiders, right? This is worrisome. The insider threat's big for us. And I thought I'd throw that thought out there for those of you that might be tempted by money. You know, get another job. Get a second job. Well, yeah, yeah. Do something else. Get a real job. Like no tech job. Get a tech job. Yeah, be a shine guy at Scotland. You know, get some paint. You know, it can't be that hard. Based on the competition. The competition for signage is not that hard. All around, Hukyo was something in tech, you know. Ham radio in and we were all set. Tell him. We'll keep the news going and then we'll jump back in. Okay. So, along the same lines. So, like I think Pow Box, because they give me all this stuff, because they're always in this business. And Pow Box, by the way, is a, Hawal Agrivi who's been on the show. You know him. I think he was our first guest. He was one of our first guests as well. So, guess what they were doing today? So, Hukyo Agrivi and his team who moved to San Francisco were giving away of... 500. Spam Musubis. Right on the street. So, they got, they got picked up by a top investment organization. They call them the top 500. And they're one of the companies that's been named in Huffington Post and got picked up by them. So, today to celebrate, they went out and were handing out 500 Spam Musubis. 500 Spam Musubis. And the governor came a shout out on Twitter. I saw that. Good job, guys. A lot of healthcare records of 105,000 patients. Wow. I mean, this is the kind of stuff... That's the stuff Hawal at Pow Box helps with, actually, because he encrypts all that information for these kind of groups. And it's the kind of stuff that Iran knows about because of the stuff that you do in the network security side. So, we'll kind of transition into that then. So, we talked about electronic pizza. We want to get that going. But also, you do some unique things in all the... Yeah. You have your value-added reseller and a number of interesting products. Comtest. So, I came into this industry from the test equipment side. Okay. When intelligent machines converse with each other, they exchange messages in packets. Okay. In the control and supervision of the packet, there is a hierarchical process that the technology I'm involved with pays attention to that. So, it pays attention to the way that we, as pieces of technology, talk to each other. Exactly. It monitors the communications between the different entities. And then, it's able to report on vital statistics. But at the same token, it's also able to diagnose and report on symptoms and diagnosis of issues that are associated with the performance. So, if I was to take an example, obviously, this Ukrainian hacker that got into a network of this group, if they had some of the right pieces of technology on their system, they would have known this was happening. Exactly. Well, and here's another thing. We typically know about issues after they occur. Right. So, the technology today allows us to record what happened. And then, we don't have to spend a lot of time and get into what I call religious mode, praying that the problem is going to reoccur. Instead, we are able to just dial in into the period of time that was leading to the problem, see how the problem executed and then what was the impact. So, if there was an attack, you can see the reconnaissance, how the intruder was taking control of the network, and what was the impact of that. So, you can use it for forensics, not just for taking a look at the performance. Yeah, in the reconnaissance piece, you saw that's really big today, because everybody's trying to really get a good understanding for the vector, right? The attack vector, because they're new. So, we know the old one. We already know the one that we found. So, how they get in, but these guys are creative, right? So, they're always treating new ways. And, of course, Black Hat was this week. And there's several new attacks on TLS and several things that were shown this week at Black Hat. At Black Hat. And then, we've got the guys that are turning on each other. You've said something else this week. Yeah, it wasn't that awesome. So, we've got the ransomware guys now who are actually attacking each other. Exposing each other's keys. Exposing each other's keys. Yeah, the rest of it. So, again, we call them wetware. When the humans get involved, right? The wetware gets involved. It goes one way of communication. So, I'll show you and then they'll show me. So, I mean, I find this interesting because how many companies do you think in this town do not have the right technologies in place to be managing and monitoring what's going on in their networks? A lot? I think a lot. You think more than half? Definitely. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You maybe not saw that on camera. He said that with a smile. Wouldn't you say that outside of the regulated industries most all are really not up to speed? Well, I would say that the medium size and the large corporation in town are starting to pay attention to their... They're starting to pay attention. They're starting to deploy. We've been starting to pay attention. Shouldn't they be paying attention a long time ago? You've been doing this for a while. You don't want to get people annoyed or piss off or something. But still. Maybe we should. Well, I think it's a transition that involves a significant investment in learning how to do it and then in cost to buy the technology and to deploy it. Right. And education, right? The boards don't know they don't fund the C-suite. It's asking for this. Right. Because the network guys are knocking on the bus. We've got to do something. And he's like, I'll tell you, write me an ROI for it. People, how do you justify it? Ron, you said something interesting, too. And I think I like this piece is that the technology, the equipment is talking to each other in its language. Oh, yeah. Right. And so it's not like you and I can look at it and say, Well, that's... Well, you can. But we... But you need Ron's equipment. Yeah. I can't look at it and go say, Oh, off the bat, this is there. Oh, yeah. Not at all. This is where you need some of your monitoring and tracking stuff. Package inspection, yeah. Well, you see the traditional way that the most cooperation approach security had to do with deploying firewalls, intrusion detection, the traditional... Right. It turns... And that's still today? It's still today. It still has a real important role. However, it is difficult to verify that it works. And until you... Well, until you get hit. Yes. But I actually am involved with a technology that is made in my hometown that actually what it does, it's able to create a model that replicates the network and the network security assets. Okay. And then it's able to run vulnerabilities against it and also compliance issues. So it's... So it's validated whether... So is it preventative? Is it more of a preventative or is it after the fact? No, it's preventative. Okay. So you... What you're doing, you're engaging in auditing your network all the time without impacting your production. Okay. So here's an important thing. So your website is www.contest.com. You have a whole plethora of technologies that you and your firm can enable organizations to use to be preventative maintenance on their network infrastructure from a security set. But even reaching towards predictive, I would say. Yeah. He's looking to... Yeah. Looking ahead of time, you're not going to believe this. We're almost out of time. So... Well, it's related to the predictive. Okay. The predictive is not only for security, but also for being able to predict what is the capacity that you need. Oh, is your network size correctly? Is your network size correct? Okay. Yeah. It's called latency issues or quality of service... Latencies and quality of service and then also the ability to do a what-if scenario like deploying a new application and muddling the amount of traffic that it would generate and how would that impact the ability of the network to sustain performance or do you need to change? Change what's going on. So there's a lot going on here. I hate to rush you, but we are out of time. But, you know, Ron, you've given our viewers some interesting perspective on things that they should be looking at when they're sitting on all their computers, on their network, and what's going or not going on there. So, but all of our guests get autographs. I'm honored. Yeah. Well, I don't want you... Wait, number eight? This is number 80, man. Number 80? Number 80 is serious. So, you can now start with all of our previous guests and see if you can buy a bunch and get what they call those beanie babies. I'll get a bunch of cup collection. So, brother Pokemon Go, you've got Solo Cup Go right there for you. Thank you. Anyway, thank you for being on this show today. My pleasure. Ham radio too. Look up Ham radio. Look up antennas. Look up security on your networks. Cyber pizza. We've got to try and get that going again. So that's, I think, an important community event. We've got to have... Let's do it. Have happening. One thing, Zuri and Nick, once again, for helping us get through another... And Jake. Fascinating in five, 30 minutes. And as we always say at the end of every show, I never queued you up with this, but just follow us on 123 How You Doing?