 COVID-19 has affected us as we are not going to churches I saw one of the leaders say, if you have opened hotels and other areas, then we need reopen our churches. But when you go to churches, remember the church that you worshipped and how many people do you congregate in a given service that particular one or between those 30 minutes compared to a hotel where you just walk in when the needs arise and I mentioned the stomach and when the stomach asks for the Freud Hotels So we can't really compare. We're trying to fight coronavirus and there has been a lot of politics going around. We have seen change of guards. We have seen what people have been doing. And just like we said the other day, we are in an era of house of cards. Everyone is holding their cards close to their hearts. You don't know what will happen. And right about now we want to delve into politics kidogo. See how things have been happening and what they mean and what we are looking forward to. Later on I'll be speaking to Pastor Mangeti. Actually he's writing the studio but the interview is coming in a few minutes from now. We'll be talking about spiritual health. But for now I'm with Syras Elitsa political analyst. Let's put things into perspective on what is happening. Syras how are you? Happy Madarakade? Madarakade I'm very fine. Freedom of worship compared to what is happening right now in the political cycles. I think we should just allow the churches to go on. Churches will manage themselves better than how the politicians are managing themselves in the social environment. You saw what happened in Kajadu, Kutengalata at all in the home the other day. You saw even the pressure the politicians were giving the other day when the NASA fraternity parliament were changing the leadership, the parliamentary leadership in the parliament. The other day people mingo living without putting on the mask but when you run trying to jog like the guys in Kisumu then you are arrested. So there's no freedom. Impunity. There's impunity at its highest level. There has been an outcry on the social media about the whole of this thing. They defied the cessation of movement. I don't know what that is but anyway who is the king of Mulaimbe? I have always said and I will continue saying Mulaimbe will never have a king. We believe in fighting for our democratic space. If you look at the communities in this country one community that is very democratic is the Mulaimbe Nation and then being democratic say that you are not united and I have always sat down to look at the narrative of unity and I felt understand does voting in one basket define unity or when I live with my brother in the same land without fighting that unity or this unity because from where I come from if you go to western Kenya if you have the entire counties someone in Kaka-Mega can easily live in Bungoma can easily live in Viga can easily live in Busia we interact freely but when it comes to when exercising our democratic rights we know how to exercise our democratic rights we are not people who just follow the wind just for the sake of following the wind and since time memorial we have seen how the voting has always been in the western Kenya so we don't have a king and I have always said this we don't desire to have a king because when we have a king then we shall turn out to worshiping this person the way other communities are doing and then when it will come a time of the weeping you feel like you are being punished you feel like your person is being targeted your community is being targeted you have always had those narrations that oh my person is being targeted oh how many Luya people who have been in high profile positions have you seen being disciplined over misconduct gross misconduct there are so many and how many Luya people have you seen on the streets crying that you are targeting our community if you have ever seen one then mention I think I am going to mention one we had Nancy Baraza the deputy chief justice when there was a violation of gross misconduct what happened did you see the Luya on the streets demonstrating did you see them even going to media stations and saying that our community is being targeted no because we believe in the rule of law and that is how it is sometimes back we saw Vanabo Musale being enthroned to be the person for the Luya community and this was done by one and only Mr. Tuli and he has done it again to someone else so it has Musale been stripped off his powers in the Luya community to answer that that was political it was in 2016 yes it was political so that to plan for the political realignment of that time 2017 and you saw how it was now I have been following even yesterday night I was following the conversations on Twitter at all his statement when Mudavadi issued a statement regarding the Kup in Ford Kenya and at all he said it clearly he has nothing to do with the Kup in Ford Kenya and Mudavadi is still our leader let him lead us that is from his Twitter handle and you can go and such it is there that is from his Twitter handle at all himself saying that so he is the one who is still Mudavadi is the leader of the Luya community he still believes Mudavadi is the leader and from his own statements he says these are the leaders who are going to be used to appreciate government whatever projects and other machineries government developments that is why he has Lusaka and those other things those are political statements in one of the other they are coded you can say so and from his own statements he still believes Mudavadi is still the leader so he still states that I am still on my word or wish to win Mudavadi I still respect him as my leader that is what if I can read and interpret his statements from his Twitter handle that is what he has tried to mean so what was happening last week was a show business what I can say that those are political arrangements that are there just on matters to do with the BBI on matters to do with the handshake and then you see these are some of the things that happened in two or two you saw how political parties when change of God was coming that is from Kano we see you are going to have a change of God now you saw how parties even NDP for Raila joined Kano in a skia go in another thing so those are some of the things those are the alignment that always happen you saw in 2012 there was a G7 Alliance if you can remember almost all political parties were now folding to be in one place all the political leaders were clinging around the president just to seek that mercy of endorsement from the president so these are some of the things that always happen at the change of God and believe me or not these are the things that are happening today come 2027 everybody will be on their own but come 2032 you will see now the politicians grouping themselves why the same things I talked of last week the political indiscipline that we have in this country the political indiscipline has led to this parties don't believe in their own ideology they believe in an individual not political ideology if we can have parties compared to ANC of South Africa whereby they believe in their own ideology have you seen any political party leader from EFF joining ANC of South Africa or the other party that comes always second it is always the debut award that comes second in South Africa joining the ruling party no because they believe and they subscribe to their own manifesto and ideology come Tanzania CCM we have Kafu we have other small political parties but there is no day CCM or Kafu or Chadema has left its own ideology just to join hands together with CCM they work on their own even Ghana they decided to work in the same direction and you see they are working the opposition works in its own way and the ruling party works in their own way everybody believes and subscribes their own ideology and like in Kenya we have taken democracy to be a tool whereby we can trade and do business with that's why political parties are times breakfast parties actually you have brought about the issue parties and what is be failing or what has be failing Moses Retangula what is happening to him or what happens to the party maybe if you could explain how did he find himself there and what is being accused of you see one from my own perspective the thing is this you see you cannot write off Rayla Molodinga at the moment that is not going to wife of presidency and one thing you should know that he has to arrange to make sure that he has food soldiers in one way or the other remember it is Retangula when they were in Kod he stood and said I am going to wife of presidency but things came and changed NASA came then Kod died so there was no Kod so NASA was there so they believed there was those short changings now when we are going to 2022 we cannot say that he has given up from the presidency no he is still looking forward he is still looking forward to that now when he is still looking forward to that he looks at who am I going to work with remember Retangula he fought hard to ensure there is no ODM seat in bungoma for parliamentary which is true if you go back to bungoma the parties that are there it is ANC we have Jubilee we have Ford Kenya there is no ODM MP from bungoma MCAs are like 4 or 5 MCAs from bungoma on ODM ticket so these are some of the things somebody sits down and says this is a person who has fought me and has made me not even lose seats in bungoma now let me take the sympathizers or somebody whom we work with so that I get back or I bounce back having seats in this county so these are some of the mathematics somebody sits down to calculate you see when you were sparing for something for the future you need to start working now so these are some of the strategies that are being used the other day 2-3 days ago we saw Rayla Odinga meeting Ujin Mamalwa saying they were discussing development agenda for the western people but back in my mind I knew there was something cooking so this is the development that they were discussing whatever happened yesterday they were discussing so much we cannot talk about we are still looking and waiting on a skeleton which I have always had a problem with because it has never executed its own mandate it is not independent the way it is supposed to be it is an independent that follows directions and instructions from a certain angle so this is one of the problem that we have in this country the political parties act if the political parties act will step up and play it so the way it is supposed to play as per the constitution then the political parties in this country become institutions and not individuals because as I have always said these political parties when they become institutions these youth whom they are used they use always during the political time to howl, to throw stones to shout on the road they will be employed by these political parties because if you have a very nice structure over a political party then most youth will be employed so when we talk of employment when I am not because I am a political party leader I talk of an employment and within my political party I am doing nothing then I am just missing this country I am just missing Kenyans and I am just taking Kenyans for a fool it is a high time Kenyans should realize that they are just being used for a fool they need to rise up they need to do what is right and what I keep on saying the political parties act should play to its role alright now after the political parties have been formed and everyone has come on board they will look into an election and right now we are looking to maybe just maybe the constitutional amendment and if we could look to the statement that was made by Honorable Mudavadi on the status of IBC remember this is an institution that has been dependent but every time there is a question of elections it is questioned and I don't know how you make about the sentiments by Honorable Mudavadi saying we cannot trust the IBC this is a statement that we have had over time every time we are close to the elections very true does it mean we will never have a clean IBC and if that is the matter thank you constitutionally IBC should be independent as per the constitution of 2010 we used to have ECKE whereby ECKE was just but a body that was being appointed by the president but now IBC is a rigorous process whereby it has to go through parliament then goes through there the president those people send their CVs they are shortlisted they go for the interview then they are recommended to send the president then the president then the parliament approves then about that they are swearing in of the commissioners and the staff but whatever is happening right now as I have said politicians are taking Kenyans for a ride because right now there are very few who are calling upon the IBC to be changed and those ones who are not doing so but they will shout more when the election will come and find out that they are on the receiving end and not getting whatever they expected so this is to mean IBC will become evil during the elections but the referendum question IBC is always evil and times of elections and that one sit down, do your analysis try and check when does IBC become evil at what time do people sit down and start fighting on how to have their own people the people they will control at IBC because each and every person wants their own person at IBC so that this person will be able to favor them these are the rangos that we saw even in 2017 the IBC itself didn't have that cooperation Chibukati is speaking this way Chiroba is speaking this way there was a lot of confusion in IBC the same confusion we still anticipate if the changes are not going to be made when we cry for something then we should step up and work to ensure that what we are talking about is well managed for prosperity not for my sake but for also the other generation to come so we always cry for change to suit ourselves and not for the other people who will come and enjoy the same foods so we are very selfish so we cry for all of things when they don't suit us but when they suit us we don't cry we are comfortable we sit down and relax and eat whatever we are getting so that the challenge you are having in this country with the chances of having the referendum amendment or the referendum coming up soon Honora Borreira said rege hasn't stopped it will still continue if the amendment will go through referendum do you think it's just about time we should look into changing the officials of the IBC right now or them that are there should be given more powers or I can say in fact IBC itself I think it has three commissioners only the rest are not there so it's already it's a layman's station which needs first of all to be to be filled the way it's supposed to be as per the constitution but right now IBC and you see the same IBC has contacted how many by elections so far a number of by elections that have still favored even people who come and cry so these changes were needed even before the referendum thing even before any other any other thing that was in need when we cry full of IBC when we are looking at the referendum then we are saying we are looking at something that is going to suit our interest because if it remain the way it is then the people will still cry when they come out people will cry as usual so what should happen right now is to ensure we have good mechanism in place to ensure that IBC is independent the I should not be silent but the I should be very active to show the independence of IBC but as it stands right now you cannot differentiate between IBC and ECK the people and the name this was electro commission and they are this there independent whatever so that's the only difference alright maybe as we come to a close many young people right now are forming their groups I have met a number of them coming up with their political parties I've had others having their ideas on how they want to have a political party that is different from what we are used to or what they have learned from our so mentors we could say how with these things that are happening right now edging into the youth how will they get now to learn and maybe the changes they want to bring on board be completely different from what we have seen is it about the ideologies you've been mentioning and actually how can the youth now align themselves to ensure that when they come on board or when they come to campaign themselves near later from now how good things be what I can say is that and I still go back to my word the political parties act should step up to their role because it is only in Kenya whereby a senior politician will come and go aside get a number of people create some kukun political parties so that cause destruction in a favor that will favor him what I can talk and I am talking as a youth the only thing we need to do in this country is to align ourselves with the desired political parties and it is better to fight when you are within and like when you are outside you will have a sound voice when you are within the system and like when you are outside the system because when the youth now will step up and demand that the political parties act should step up to their role 1. we shall see discipline in political parties 2. we shall see a number of youth getting employed if the political parties will follow the rules that are there within the constitution that each and every political party should have an office a running office almost 25 counties to make it national then this tell me how many youth are going to be employed in the 25 counties a number of youths from the national level to the county level from the county level to the grassroot level these are people who are going to be employed so employment has already been created how many manis go to political parties let us say in 2012 2013 money was allocated to Jubilee at TNA URP ODM and I was a wiper these are the parties that go today the lion share now in 2017 money has been allocated to Jubilee ODM not a million but billions of money what are these manis used to what are these manis supposed to do these manis are supposed to ensure the offices are running in the 25 counties people are employed to manage the offices because there is always an office there is always an executive whereby we have those people who are elected to manage the police call affair and there are those people who are employed in the office to ensure the office is up and running so these are some of the things that we need to sit down and ensure they are there so it is not a matter of you running and forming a political party after 5 yas we will also still see I am not getting what I wanted I still need to form another political party because this one has not fulfilled my desires that will be the trend so the only thing we can do at the moment as youths let us align ourselves with the political parties that subscribe to our ideology because each and every person has their own ideology and these parties have ideologies and manifesto so sit down read a manifesto read each and every political party then find yourself where you suit find yourself where you belong then align yourself with that political party then get a group of people whom you reason the same then fight from within state your grievances explain what you want then come out when the youths come out in large numbers who are from different political parties demanding their rights youth within the political parties then this country will change but if I say I want to go and form a party it will just be a vehicle that I will use and be paid some monies after I have been paid monies will I remember those people whom I am working with no but don't you think when they do this they will find an established system where they can't voice everything we have right now was long established there is nothing that has never been established if we could take out the example someone very fresh goes in there and start saying if only we could change this how many people would listen to that person and you see the person who wants to go and form a political party let me tell you now the truth it's not a person from a campus who just graduated the other day this person has been in the same political party either from the grassroots or from somewhere else so it is a transfer of ideas yes this is a person who has aligned himself in a political party maybe for a very long time but the problem is when we don't come out to speak or when we feel if I speak I want to be heard so I want to go there so that I can be heard this is the challenge that we have in the society it just has to step up I belong to a certain political party let me go and marshal other youths and speak up if we do this consistently believe me or not change will be there alright let's jump to a different matter as we are fighting COVID-19 a lot is happening in the political arena now the MCAs in this country have spent their whole budget for the year in just 6 months what is this the problem we have our elected MCAs is that they lack priorities that is one thing then when they lack priorities what took them to their offices was monies because the county assemblies that you see today they are not working as per the constitution they are supposed to ensure that devolution is up to task but what they are doing they get the little thing they get 10,000 they are hungry people we don't have leaders we don't have leadership in them they are just there to eat then after that they are done so how many bills have we had they have sponsored in the even county assemblies that has gone through that will benefit the common man inch for devolution to work we need serious people in the county assemblies we don't need hungry people we need serious and focused people because if each and every county assembly will articulate its mandate I am telling you this country will be very much developed because we have health we have education we have all these offices whatever we have at the national level are the similar things we have at the county level so they need to work together they need to ensure that money is allocated the budget is well managed and the money is allocated it is well distributed to the people down there now, in my understanding I know this money was allocated for them to spend for the old here but now 6 months down the line what contributed them to have all these settings is there a crisis other than the COVID that you are fighting to see things and now the allowances they have spent everything what emergencies were they solving and that's why I have told you there's no emergency they were solving because they were hungry they came up with policies they just came up with reasons that will make them sit so that they can have that money remember their salaries is always deducted on mortgages and the car loans they always get so most of them go home with even a thousand shillings on the pay sleep so they are looking at what will make me sustain myself the next day now they realize we have committees so let us use the committees let us come up with the mechanisms let us come up with agendas as long as people will see that we have seated then they are sitting allowance so I love just to sit for me to get that sitting allowance and this is why I say we need to get good leaders who know their roles in the society no just people who are hungry who are just there to eat and then forget finally what do you make of the Dr. Ruto's appointment with the global leadership the thing I can make is that congratulate the deputy president and ask him to execute his roles and mandate the way he is supposed to the only thing I can say to him is a good thing do you think it gives him an upper hand in the politics? it gives him an upper hand one is now going to interact and relate with other global leaders so it gives him that upper hand in one way or the other because there is one thing in leadership networking and good relations with other people so that one gives you a plus and one knows the other then what I also can say also on what is happening in the U.S the same thing if we cannot manage our country today there is only one thing that will happen and after it will happen people will go to the streets you cannot tell me what is happening today in the U.S. it's only about the death of George Floyd no people were tired people were crying and no one was listening to them but they have decided to use this as a stepping stone they have decided to use the death of this guy of this guy as a way to now express their grievances they are burning things in the U.S they are destroying things in the U.S. because of the anger they have had and stored for a long time the same thing will happen in this country people are oppressed, people are crying so one day something small will happen and it will trigger demonstrations in this country that the president will decide to hide the way Trump has been hidden somewhere in the safety place in White House hope it doesn't happen in our country if things still stand the way they stand if things remain the way they are it will happen many people are suffering many people are crying but the only way to get out they don't have a way to get out so when something will happen they will get out and they will use that thank you Sylas for coming and all the ideas you have put in that particular space now