 all the buttons yep you're ready to go okay good evening the appointed hour five o'clock p.m having been reached I welcome everyone to the meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board my name is Catherine Porter and as chair of the Amherst Design Review Board I call the meeting to order and at this time I would like to take attendance uh Tom Long apparently not here Lindsay Schnarr not here uh Becky Lockwood here okay uh Erica Zikos here okay and Catherine Porter pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law GIC 30a section 18 and the governor's March 15 2020 order imposing strict limitations the number of people that may gather in one place this public hearing of the town of Amherst Design Review Board is being conducted via remote participation and I should say some of that uh those restrictions have been lifted but we at this time are still meeting via Zoom no in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted but the public can attend tonight's virtual meeting by using the Zoom login information provided on the meeting agenda listed on the meeting calendar which is provided on the town of Amherst website okay also an attendance is Marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board the design review board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by the town meeting in October of 1983 the charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use the appearance of structures and the appearance of sites which may affect those resources the design review board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlay zoning districts in the town center the design review overlay district and the town common design review overlay district design review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in Amherst which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site all design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst youtube channel for public viewing the procedure is as follows the petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information after the board has completed its questions the board will deliberate if the board feels it has enough information and time it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application once the board has voted on its recommendations the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant board applicable land use board and building commissioner and so tonight we will have several agenda items and marine which one is going to come first Unitarian Universal Society of Amherst and as full disclosure I want to say I'm a member of this group but I do not think that this applicant's application or applicant is going to be in any way controversial so I'll hand it over to and I think Becky has raised your hand. Becky it's also I wanted to add that I too am a member of the group so uh so I mean do you both of Catherine and Becky do you feel that you can you know review the proposal oh yeah definitely yeah I know what it's about and it's why yes I'm not okay I think I think well um let's take a look at and if you want to look back about that that's okay okay so if Becky if you were able to share your screen or I could share mine Suzanne Suzanne oh sorry yeah Suzanne sorry sorry oh did you need me to I don't have these things up I'm sorry but let me see I can probably share my screen um let's see sorry Maureen I wasn't quite ready for that um all right share that now you're gonna see my backyard um let's see it's in here I can just share my screen to make this faster okay that would probably be a good idea because I'm not really quite ready for it so sorry about that so so basically well Maureen is putting this together um when we did when the USA did the major renovation and addition to the building in 2013 and 2014 we evidently I wasn't part of it at that point possibly Catherine was I don't know about Becky um but we couldn't afford to resink shingle the existing 1893 building and so we painted it and cleaned it up and and you know put the addition on which was intended to match the what we thought were the original shingles on on the building which had what's called an a 10 inch exposure exposure refers to the amount of the shingle that you actually see for those of you that aren't familiar with it yeah this is a good picture if you can kind of zoom in on on that that the photograph and so um you can see on the on the left how big I don't know if you can you see my cursor probably not but you can see that the the the courses the shingles are fairly wide okay and um if you can go to the other one what we discovered when we found photographs from 1923 was that actually the original was a was was more like this this is a this is an architect's rendering of the shingles with what's called a five inch exposure and so we decided that it would be better even though the new part of the building has a nine or ten inch exposure that it would be fine to have the old part reflect its original design which was a shingle style kind of building and very very tight coursing like that was quite typical of that time period we actually found that when you go into this little entryway which we don't use really anymore but was the original entrance to the building um the inside there the people in 1923 or 24 didn't replace those shingles either probably to save money we guess because they're protected by the weather but you can see that yes they were indeed we could measure them they're actually five inches uh to the weather so so that's what we'd like to propose to do we're going to restore as much of the detail as we can um okay Maureen if you could go to the historic photograph black and white oh there we go maybe zoom in you can see these are these very very narrow shingles again um and there are some details here the the entrance was replaced at some point and made into something a little more attractive than that one um and some of the detail on the tower got taken off at some point we don't know exactly when uh there was we know that there were water infiltration problems um with the tower and I think those little pseudo balconies up there were probably the cause of that so they got rid of those but there is this over what is now the angel window there is a little bit of a lip that's kind of a water drip that comes down the front face we're going to replace that and it'll look a lot more like this when we are done so you could go back to the architects yeah the architects rendering I guess um they're fortunate to find these photographs so so this these are the the working drawings that basically show us this is the Kellogg street side that shows I'm sorry the alley side that shows us with the ramp and then the old building there's only a little bit of the new shingling showing and then the the addition to the kind of from the gable on over okay and then the next one this is the east elevation um toward the parking lot this is all new except for a little tiny peak at the tower although you never really see it because this is an architects rendering and it's not it's so far in the far far in the future in the head of you that you couldn't see it from the parking lot but it's it's what it you the architects the way we look at it okay the next one um there should be four this is the Kellogg street side you can see the entrance with a little porch um on the far left and then so this is where the most of the um so the new well actually this in the the angel window elevation but you see the tower tower has been really simplified to make it more watertight so we will replace the shingles inside the front porch go ahead that's good this time so that now that they're 100 years old uh or at least 100 years old and so this is the how it will look from north pleasant street this is our angel window in the middle here so um so we are replacing some of the corner details um my as much as we could do there's a wrapping detail that um that you can do with the smaller shingles um around each corner rather than having them but you have them wrap and then it's kind of hard to explain but and then there was a detail at the roof eve that we're replacing to where it kind of turns up over the roof so we're trying to keep it pick up as much of the historic detail as we can and improve its preservation qualities basically um so this is about a $250,000 project the congregation has had to borrow money to do it but the shingles at 125 years old are really had their lifespan they're ready to be replaced they are on the edge of leaking so we want to start on September 1st that's it any questions okay let's see um any uh I'll go to you Erica since you're the only not level here well I um first I mean I'm I'm all for it I think it's a um gonna be really beautiful and appreciate the historic accuracy um although this is then you you mentioned that um when you were uh introducing us to the to the images um you said that um a lot of the historic detail would be um restored or or you know attempt to restore it and I'm I'm not seeing that much difference I realize that maybe yeah yeah there's there's I've said a lot I'm just curious that there was something that we're missing because there is already um with the the the new window um that beautiful um limit yeah right so that that remains that's not new you're not knowing the arch detail over the tower windows or additional apertures in the tower is there anything that we're missing just so you said it would look much different I well to my architects eye it looks much different um in terms of going from the much bigger shingles to the much smaller shingles but if that's if that's it then I'm I'm well it's that there wasn't something else there are there are a couple subtle details there were not a whole lot of details on the building to start with but that lip um we are actually there it has kind of a scalloped edge to it on the original we're going to replace that um at the eve where the roof meets the the front of the building that big steep uh roof pitch um we are going to wrap the shingles around there's a detail to wrap those uh at the tower we're going to um interlace the shingles rather than but joint them these are all subtleties that that we're we're trying to pick up as many of the details as we could afford basically um you know in an ideal world I'd love to redo the tower um but that's you know it's hard to justify spending money on doing that when sorry no thank you for this clarification it's just when you yeah you talked about for subtle details and then also use the word much different and I yes yes yes I recognize the subtle the importance of those subtle details I'm 100% for this I have no recommendations okay good question so thank you appreciate that so uh most people probably won't notice at all it will be the same color yes the place of the building um and um so it's it is very subtle so is there a preservative put on uh or a stain or preservative added to the shingles to give them a longer life so to speak well getting 125 years out of a set of shingles is extraordinary I mean usually you would say 30 to 40 years maybe so we have gotten a lot out of what what we had um but to answer the question we are putting a um a a semi-transparent stain maybe it is a fully fully opaque stain it's the same material that we put on um the rest of the building and that is on there now so um it is considered a way to seal the cedar to protect it from um weathering but cedar is by by its nature uh weathering I mean you know our new england landscape is full of naturally weathered cedar everywhere all the stuff you see particularly on the Cape Cod you know that's all you see everywhere um and that's because it's it's got a lot of oil in it it's a very hard hard oily wood so it it's uh it lasts much better than other wood so but yeah we're doing everything we can to do that Becky do you have any questions or comments you're muted I feel I feel like I don't want to I feel like I shouldn't comment because it's being remember um who are you can comment I can well that's not not for me but I'm glad to take your comments what is that way it's really morning I think I think it's fine that you comment yeah yeah thanks why I'm fine with it I love the idea that you're doing as much as you can to um keep that historic look and some historical perspective you know that's excellent you know you know I'll just chime in I think I mean the church is so unique to the downtown and um I think the town should express an appreciation for the fact that they're putting so much money into maintaining this really special and elegant uh meeting house so uh yeah I totally feel the lucky that you're doing it so any other any other comments before we have a vote to approve do I hear a motion that we approve this applicant so moved okay that Erica is there a second okay all right uh any further discussion or questions all in favor indicate by saying I okay no no opposition all right carry on thank you very much you'll start to see stuff going on there shortly in the next couple weeks so all right thanks very much and I'll get something more in from you about this so and you send it on to the the building inspector so yeah um I will pass it on to Jen Mullins and in the next day or so okay okay because that's the building permit um that is going to pull get pulled by the contractor will be the next thing so they need this for that okay great good all right thank you all all right thank you bye bye bye let's see what do we have next on the agenda is for the oyster bar to review the proposed roof replacement for the for the bar um the the drb reviewed um their designs for their exterior I feel like a couple months ago yeah feels like a couple months ago um and so I believe the only changes is to the roof but we have uh Dylan here who can um help shed some light on what what what you guys are proposing okay all right welcome and thank you marine yeah thank you for uh hearing me this evening I'm gonna share my screen I have a little presentation for you guys all right can you see my screen now yes all right all right so yeah we met a few months back and you got approval to move forward since uh the time to move that we move forward we opened up the inside of what used to be duties and found a lot of water damage a lot of that water damage occurred from the uh the roof the sunroom the front side of duties um there is structural damage that uh as we continue to open up that the walls and the floors uh it kind of proved to be beyond just repairing and something that we'd have to totally fix and replace so this is the existing building as you can see this is what we approved back in early summer and our new proposal uh changes the facade a little bit it opens up in front provides a little bit more of an extension of the one parapet that was located right here that we discussed and other than that the sign is new across the front of the windows and you'll notice we have removed the signs that were on either side of the primary logo so this is this is my attempt at doing an artist rendering I'm not very artistic so I do have some architectural drawings that kind of show the details a little bit better so this is the existing building what was Judy's and you can see the front of sod right here and you can see the parapet right here that would get extended across the entire width of the building front and so the glass roof would go away um and we would take the opportunity we're taking the opportunity to change that facade and kind of make it singular uh as we will have to replace the beams and the floors inside the space and so the next slide here is showing you what it will look like you can see the extension across so it creates this uniformity look across the entire space and just two up close looks at what it will look like so I'll stop there and see if you guys have any questions uh if not do you have a two slides that we could put together to compare the original plan with your new plan um uh I can do something quickly here I believe what do you exterior yeah okay that's that's the new one yep yeah the new one that's uh yeah one second we pull up the other one that was approved okay yeah that's and okay you can kind of see it side by side here one second minimize that okay okay that helps and so you're doing this because you had to repair the roof or this design will uh mean that there's less likelihood that there will be roof issues so when yeah when opening when opening up uh you'll see in the front here if I switch to I think this next slide is going to be the best look right here um so this was existing this is existing judy's and this is the glass right here a lot of the water is coming off of this kind of getting in between each one of these individual panels you know is pooling um there are posts that are located right here on either side of the dining room and water is running through that in the middle as well as on the front every single one of these posts uh were rotted so we have to replace the replace both the posts as well as the boards and as we were pulling that back and pulling back the floor uh we realized that there was an opportunity actually for the interior of the space you can see uh this is existing judy's with a lower sundering level used to take a ramp down uh we found an opportunity to raise it so there's a singular floor uh to make it more accessible in the space uh and with doing that it kind of uh we didn't want to replace the glass in the sundering again because we didn't want to run into this water issue problem down the road yeah and so part of that was replacing is is we will have to replace the roof and how do we replace the roof and a manner that looks good for the facade and uh kind of consolidates what used to be two single family homes that were never really kind of married together if you look at the old exterior of judy's you can kind of see here um this used to be the old entry way um back when this was judy's just as the single family home over here and this would have been what barcelottes was with a driveout right between yeah and so um you'll notice what we're trying to do is try to kind of create this uniform and you take that parapet across uh and kind of merge the buildings in two single family homes that they were okay uh from the board questions comments becky or erica anything that you'd like further just from just from the look of it it's so much more adapted it's cleaner um that you know i wasn't involved in the original um discussions about this but just i mean you have to replace the roof and i think it looks fine it's good to have your comments because you're a fresh voice on this and erica and i have seen it before erica do you have any uh thoughts yeah i actually i agree with becky i think that it's um the the unifying nature of pulling that uh cornice line across is really fantastic and i was um when i only when i first saw the new rendering i thought boy this could really use some detail but here in the architectural elevation drawing we can see that you've maintained and extended that kind of dental right the the um kind of toast uh detail across the um across the fascia and then below the windows we see a kind of panel detail on the on the tower portion um and i really appreciate that you've you've kind of listened to us the first time around and incorporated that into into this past so i'm i'm all for it i think it looks nice yeah i actually i i have to have to agree it's a little cleaner the original or the one we've approved uh was attractive but it was a little on the business but this really i think has a different totally different impact and um yeah so um i think it's going to uh be really good and um yeah that's great to hear that and yes that was um the feedback from the original go around was part of what led to the discussion with the architect and taking that opportunity so yeah good okay appreciate it all right any other uh thoughts you want to pass on if not do i hear a motion that we approve this applicant for the changes to the amherst oyster bar erica would you like to know all right thanks so much dawns on the house and i actually have to confess that i missed your last okay i was gonna ask if we could have a motion to approve this oh yeah glad to make a motion to approve the updated uh plans us a bit okay and becky would you be happy second that okay all right the mood and seconded any further questions or discussions uh if not indicate by saying i i we're a small group here we're small but mighty we love your oyster bar glad to hear yeah what's the what's your timeline so we're thinking we're thinking end of the winter into spring of 23 the amount of water damage we found we had to we got it the entire inside of judy's right it's uh it's totally taken apart oh dear but it's given us this opportunity to kind of come back with a fresh feel and it will be totally new and we're really excited to open it yeah that's exciting okay thank you thank you very much thank you okay is that the next um i'm making the next person a panelist so bear with us and lindsay's joining us oh good there's lindsay hi so sorry okay so the next item is the person the person come up as a okay they're coming up right now i think okay so the next um application is for adams and ruckston construction to review the proposed exterior light fixtures adjacent to the existing bank of america atm located at 75 east pleasant street and so hi there if you could state your name and your sort of uh your affiliation with the applicant and then if you can share your screen and screen and show and explain your proposal that'd be great oh we can't hear you but you're not muted can't see him either oh i can see him can you see him we we don't see it no okay can you hear me now oh we hear you okay sorry can you hear me well yes yes we can hear you i'm joseph bristard i'm a project manager with adams and ruckston um and we're going to be looking to potentially update the lighting around one of the bank of america drive-thrus today the atm yeah um so do you want me to share my screen and show you the plan drop yeah let's see what you have you see if i can manage this here this is a little different i can share my screen if that's easier okay you can share from your side can everyone see this okay thank you for that yeah so the the red box you can see the red box the north of the of the atm that's going to be the one only addition to the lighting structure that's on place now that'll be a new light so we'll have to trench across for that um to some sub grade work but the rest of the remaining lights are just going to remain as they are they're just going to be upgraded um for greater efficiency and a better um photometric illumination cast out um that's really all we're doing we're not really changing any other physical features of the site it's really just a exterior lighting package upgrade so um so uh i guess we'll start with the the new light poles and then the replacement light poles is it is it this spec here yes and then do they um have the same height or new heights um i believe the new well the new one obviously i believe the new one may be a little bit higher but the rest of them are all at the same height let me uh i think it's all the same height in there it should stay right on the front it says right here cool i believe they're all there is it in here have you scrolled to the right side there pull them out replacing this existing same height yeah on level and the new one will be this is the representing the new light pole and that would be 12 feet correct a fg i don't know what that means above finished grade so right it'll that 12 feet will be the height as you approach it from the ground level so we got this one one and they're all the same specs they're all the same light picture type correct the only ones that are different are the smaller ones that are actually inserts that one there that goes into the canopy itself um same locations as the existing lights in the canopy so you're not changing the style of the light is that what you're you're just the main thing as you're adding and do light is correct we're we're upgrading the okay yeah okay and these all appear to these ones appear to be dark sky compliant meaning they're downcasted and shielded and this is this how is this um tilting down i believe that's that's i don't know why they i don't know why they show that picture like that that's almost like a recess can like it's lost in the canopy right okay are there questions about this lighting application from the board lindsay or erica or becky anybody do we have an image of what the existing fixtures look like i don't have any of the existing fixtures um i think because one thing that we've talked a lot about is trying to make trying to establish some level of consistency with lamp posts or um and so i'm just curious what the what the surrounding lamp posts look like um marina was helpful if you could go back to that street yeah can you oh sorry i'm trying to be fancy here hold on a second it's not working never mind you're doing what you could have done um okay that i don't know what i did with it sorry uh here it is can you see two windows or just seeing a pdf still see the one oh you know why because i have it in a different share sorry uh oh i don't know i don't know what i'm doing but um can you see this i'm just seeing the same pdf oh okay how about this there you go so if you could just kind of march down the road um to see oh that's existing and what wants to be replaced and what's going to stay the same so it's all these these types um related to the bank that's the old um light fixtures and then are you talking about are you curious about street lights here um here's the town's light picture here that one yeah yeah they won't it won't look like that light fixture no i i'm just curious could they yeah that question do we have any others in that if you go back up to the to the bank america got one right here so i guess i'm wondering mostly about that one it's in the corner of like primo um yeah same the right behind the building i don't know how close you can get in that parking lot there's one right there yeah that's a flood light that's a little different okay i mean personally i don't have can we go back to the plan b and see exactly which locations are i wonder i mean i wonder what other people think but if so are those two locations wait one two three four there's five locations where you're replacing them and then you're adding one um i guess the first thing i would say is like let's make sure that all the all the lamp posts in that in that area are all i mean if i guess if there's going to be two different species already are um i don't have a huge issue with it i just wouldn't want to have like a couple random ones that don't get switched out that are part of that same second species um so i would just try to make sure that there aren't any stray other existing um lamp posts that don't get updated um that being said it it might be helpful to match the finish of the like the black and um of the this the Amherst street lamp posts um but i'm not i'm not really all that concerned about it i'd be curious to hear what other people have what other people think about it i think as long as they're all consistent um within that parking lot i i think it's fine personally i would tend to agree i think um the new fixture is considerably less conspicuous than the existing um and if if black is a finish option for these i think that that would be the way to go uh if not i would say these are are fine as long as and complete agreement with lindsay um all bank of america related onsite pictures are changed so if you've identified five plus a new one that that's everybody that's everybody yes yeah i could i could reach out to the electrician who spec them all and see if there is a black finish and maybe send that back across your bow to see if that that works i really don't know what uh what the option i think the pole itself right would be uh it would be good if it could be black i think that's what i'm getting that we'd like to see as much black on the fixture as possible in the pole and the lamp if possible okay any other uh comments about this um one one last thing is just the temperature of the light do you happen to have any information on that um only only because they can start getting really blue and odd i don't know marina is there any requirement from the town to request that any lighting poles be black just to blend in with the town the concept of the black might not be a bad idea oh just one more thing so what are we waiting for i couldn't i couldn't find anything on the actual um out gas of heat um okay i believe they'll be you know far better at maintaining than what's currently there because all the new lights tend to be that way they tend to be a lot more um low out low out put that way for efficiency so it's typically less heat um no i'm not uh not about heat i'm talking more about color um rendering so oh oh really do you have like a range of warm to cool car rendering and um i would just say if it could um you know i think it makes sense for it to be somewhere in the neutral zone if possible um i don't think it needs to really be particularly warm although that is nicer um the cooler will probably emit more light but once you get closer to like the 5000 kelvin end of the spectrum it starts to get really blue and that can be kind of off-putting so i don't know what other people think about that but i would just end sticking more to like the 3500 range if possible okay okay any other thoughts becky did you have any okay erica are you okay with how this is progressing i am okay i i moved to approve with recommendations okay is there a second uh lindsay second okay okay i'll becky i'll second again okay all right all right all right uh if there's no further discussion or questions uh we'll vote um all in favor please say i i okay any a pop anybody opposed our small band here okay very good so uh we've given you the our best thoughts on that are you okay with it me yes okay just to be clear the recommendation so i can push those forward okay so match the the town of the town of amherst uh light fixtures and poles adjacent to the bank of america property so make sure they're all black all black yeah and then make sure that finish right not the light itself yeah oh yeah thank you the black light finish yep yep and then all bank of america uh light fixtures um like if you forgot about one they should be upgraded to to match the light fixture type i can drive that property tomorrow look for stragglers i don't believe there are any um so my next question then is if i do go forward and i can't get this in let's say the light cast as far as hot cold for uh for tone is is leaning one way heavy one way the other would i reach out to you marine will we do this again or i mean how how does that work uh why don't you email me the what uh what is possible and we can take it from there but um um and i'll pass the information along of what the board recommended and but it would be important for the building inspectors to know what what um can be provided for the the color temperature excellent yes okay very good all right thank you thank you okay thanks okay marine is there any other are we finished uh no no we're not finished wait but there's more uh we're gonna do uh elections of the officers and approval of the meeting minutes and then if anyone from the public decides to show up we can do a general public comment period yeah bye thanks um so what i uh oh so election okay so we'll start for the election of officers um so we need to elect um the chair and the vice chair um or i think we just have a chair for this board so um catherine you've been a chair for uh a few years i know yeah and remember lindsay how i became chair i do it was very uh on the spot you were just boom you do it i think i vaguely remember that oh my god yeah i mean who's it goes you've done great uh would anyone um it could be a chair like to nominate yeah i would nominate erica um can we talk a little bit about terms though i mean i'm in the um i'm in the last so don't we have like six years i think you might be the only member that's like valid um i don't know if you guys saw my email oh no oh maybe can i forward the email to everyone about well there was something about i don't remember um the the town manager needs to upgrade everyone's um terms to be honest um they're slightly outdated but uh design review board let me go to the page i thought i thought they voted on them at the town council did he it's not the town council it's actually the town administrator for this board where you're appointed yeah so it was on the uh it was on erica yeah you have one more year at least yeah oh you have one more year you can do it erica i'll do it for a year okay i watched the council meeting and on the consent form the design review board was listed as one of the committees that they uh that paul must have brought forth yeah okay yeah oh i'll take a look at that yeah it was mentioned and and then i got nervous because sometimes the council really gets tough on people in the committee so oh my god nobody got the attention of us so okay i'll hand the gavel the virtual gavel over to you erica i think of virtual are we going to stay in this format for i think it's uh valid until maybe april of 2023 either april or march and then we'll probably have the same conversation then so that's the state legislative body and then governor baker signed into uh extension to the act of 2020 um so we'll be able to meet remotely until then and then i guess the state would have to make another decision if they want to make that permanent or not yeah um did we want to make a motion about this um election of of um erica i move i will move that we uh elect erica zikos as chair of the design review board for a one year term do you want the one year in there or just one forever yeah that's great no one year one year at a time you'll never get out of here erica yeah a second okay moved and seconded all in favor signal i anybody opposed okay very good you're officially the chair of the design review board across this and i'm gonna have to learn how to read that yeah actually katherine could you email that to me um oh i don't know your intro oh if you don't i actually want to take a look at it and i think it could be maybe in shorter yeah yeah so for the next meeting um erica i can i'll i'll send you an updated version to that yeah because given that some of that has changed about the yeah so okay and then i did have meeting minutes from july 7th um which were really um i don't know if you recall i sent you emails um about the um about each of those applications i i would have to actually yeah i felt pretty quite thorough so i have yeah i read through and didn't have any changes but if other people need time i kind of had a refresh my memory just now of so what you did review was uh for esser kent family she's like starting um a family law and mediation office at 17 kello gaub that was one of them and then there was one for uh it's like a new bank mnt bank at 25 east pleasant street i forget what bank is there now but they're they're re re they merged in the family yeah and then and then the town of amherst for the dog park right um and i will like to say that they um did take all your recommendations uh the town did for the dog park in the signage and um if you do go there you'll notice that they do have the signs as presented they're temporary they just needed to get some stuff up there and they're gonna work on um modifying that and returning to the board um so probably like in the winter or the spring so i just wanted to make note of that but they did put in that little whatchamacald uh the pavilion yeah or did they yeah yeah right there it must have been ready to go that's right happened really quickly yeah right i had to first i mean the park is a real gift i mean it's it's a it's great yeah i wish i had a dog i could take it there i got to get you one yeah you know i've got a cat i'll probably survive five minutes in the dog park so anything else marine that's all i i don't think i was present i think i was not yeah i don't think you were there so i didn't review yeah i think only erica and i could approve those minutes um even though you weren't there you could if you did get a chance to read them would you like for me to uh sure do you need me to or is it not necessary uh i think you do technically need at least three votes we could hold off till next time or okay okay was there anybody else who was present that tom was not here this time though tom wasn't that meeting yeah there's yeah tom and yeah the three of us maybe be better for him to review them yeah yeah yeah we'll just hold off hold off yeah and then um oh and then one other thing because you'll most likely see the the signs uh if you're in downtown is i think it's yeah bank of america right at the main intersection of the pleasant and amity street in main and they put up these they kind of look like murals but they're not they're like uh vinyl and i think they like take some sort of like five like it's like a adhesive onto the brick they're giant signs um and they're temporary and um temporary means three weeks and they're on all sides of the brick i wish i took a photo because they are quite large so you'll get their eye catching so okay if you see them you'll be like why didn't they come through here so uh if for things that are temporary um they don't need to go through the board um but if they were permanent signs then they would okay all right okay well that um given us my last official duty i declared the meeting adjourned thank you everybody thank you for your service captain yeah thank you thank you never know you may come around again there you go have a great evening everyone okay thanks for