 are you guys ready for the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 10 hey everyone welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 10 kind of the rebooted Nintendo Prime podcast we've had some issues a lot of technical issues for we got this episode officially going but it's whatever we got a special guest tonight up on the screen we got rule of two review how's it going man good thanks for having me on I feel like everyone in the chat probably already met me but pretty stoked to be on the podcast glad it's working lost talk about so yeah thanks thank you guys for showing up to my left of you guys is right is our co-host Mr. Eric Maher hello everybody he will be here for all of our E3 stuff still working out our special guest list for all of E3 so again stick by us while we have a lot of technical difficulties we will get this stuff sorted out week over week for week this is the biggest technical difficulty we've had in a while but this is also the first time we've attempted a two-computer setup alright now let's get into the topics we got some great stuff for you guys today we got some Pokemon news we got some Sakurai stuff we might need to clarify a little bit we do have also E3 talk we're gonna do but the first thing I want to get right off the table is the Sakurai news because there's some confusion out there I have people after I put up a video people messaged me hey have you seen what push Justin said Sakurai is not retiring that's not actually what push Justin said if you guys go read exactly what his words were but we're gonna clarify this because we do have all the official translations at this point but if you look at what push Justin said he was answering some questions he says is Sakurai retiring not yet so let's clarify what's going on here Masahiro Sakurai does a weekly column on Femitsu and in his latest column he went deep into some stuff going on in his life and where he's at mentally and one of those things he mentioned is he plans to be leaving Femitsu magazine and no longer doing his weekly column that he's been doing since 2003 did you guys know that since 2003 he's been doing this weekly column apparently he's not even paid for it it's just something he does because he enjoys connecting with gamers in a different way and then you know typical developers do just interviews and stuff and he said he's talked a lot about his life and all that stuff throughout these columns over the years and he said hey you know but around the time that the second DLC character for Smash Bros comes out he's gonna be calling it a raps which he said is probably by the end of this year I said I still have a little bit more to give to Femitsu magazine but then he's gonna be calling it quits there now he did go in depth on other things and this is where the confusion is because yes he's leaving Femitsu it doesn't mean he's not actually contemplating retiring what he said specifically is that Sakurai has been having issues having fun outside of work and he thinks if he work doesn't work anymore if he retires he will enjoy other aspects of life more and because of that he knows and this is a big thing he said I can't develop video games forever so I am debating or contemplating when I'm going to step away he's not step away yet but as push Justin even says he says is Sakurai considering retiring the very first word push Justin says is yes and that is the brux of the argument Sakurai is considering retiring early and let me say early he's only 50 you guys realize that Sakurai is only 50 years old that him retiring anytime from now to 60 is young even retiring at 60 is young in the video game industry so he is considering retiring young but he's for now he still has stuff that he is considering doing after he's done with the Smash Bros DLC we don't know what that stuff is don't know if it's a unique IP if he's gonna go back to Kid Icarus we have no idea what what what he wants to do now what we do know is he has talked several times over the years that he wants to be done with Smash Bros right he's been saying that since melee that he wants to be done with Smash Bros and he said in a column back in December that he feels like Super Smash Bros Ultimate is an impossible Smash game to follow up now again he has said these kind of things will smash before but in this case I think all of us can look at Ultimate and go yeah every character that's ever been in Smash is in this game all you have left to do is add every stage every musical and all the new like you get to the point I mean there's what 80 plus playable characters in this game when it's all said and done it's one of those situations where Sakurai is looking at it as hey I don't know that you can really make another Smash Bros game at least he doesn't think he can now again this is stuff he said before but he's older now for those who don't know he ran into the health complications again last year while working on the DLC for Smash and that's something to consider as well as that his physical health is failing him the more he works now Sakurai is a workaholic and he kind of does it to himself but he enjoys his work and this is where he talked about how maybe it's time to step away so I can enjoy other parts of my life which I think all of us can respect on some level I saw some people panicking what oh I want my he might not be making another Smash game again so let's let's start there this could be yet even if he doesn't retire he might never touch Smash Bros again because he doesn't know how you could top a game like Ultimate the only other way to top his previous entries was to create the ultimate Smash Bros game and he did so I'm gonna toss this first off the rule to review what do you think about Sakurai potentially retiring early not yet probably got another game in the belt that he's gonna put out don't know what kind of game he's talked for years wanting to make a different games at Smash so like what do you think should he retire early do you want him to retire early and if he's got one last hurrah what kind of game are you hoping that he's gonna spit out well I mean gosh I mean what I want him to retire early that one's really tough because as a fan I think anyone would want him to keep making games as long as he wants the concept of retiring I think is it is a normal thing 50 is young to retire you're totally right 50 is very young to retire but it's not too young that you don't start thinking about and I think that that's maybe where some of the reactions are kind of coming from and people getting a little bit too worried like it's done Sakurai is giving up he's retiring and it's like you know definitely not you if you're going to retire you're gonna think about it and plan for years and years ahead of you don't decide I'm retiring tomorrow you decide I'm retiring seven eight ten so that's really what it what the whole thing kind of sounds like and I think most of us would agree he's earned his retirement whether he did retire tomorrow or if he retires 15 years at 65 or what have you the man is has done amazing things for gaming and Nintendo and all the Smash Brothers work he's done but you mentioned me like the guys made himself sick a couple of times like he's almost put his help on the line just making these great games that we love so I love for him I love the idea of him getting a fire whenever it is like you you work so long do you earn your retire we'll all retire at some day and maybe Sakurai is gonna do it sometime soonish five ten years you know and following up Smash Brothers Ultimate I know that that's also part of the conversation and even when that game was announced I remember discussing it and making video content about like here's a Smash Brothers game with every character where would Smash Brothers go after the game and there really is almost no answer what do you do so hearing him talk about it that way I think it's interesting that he's he's thinking the same thing for himself and I've already made the ultimate smash how could I make another one that you probably can and so to answer the last question you asked you like what would I want him to do next I mean you know there's the cheesy answer which is I want him to do whatever he wants right which I do I want him to just make something that makes him happy makes him feel relaxed doesn't make him put his own health on the line beyond that just like as a fan I mean I'm a fan of like Nintendo platformer game so and you know whether he went back to something like Kirby or Kid Icarus yeah I'd love it if you went back to one of those I'd love it if you made a new IP that's a little bit more action adventure or platformer maybe you know they dabbled in that with the subspace emissary and Smash Brothers brawl so maybe he decides to make a game that's more like that but not Smash Brothers so a lot going on the man's done so much for gaming and for Nintendo like he's allowed to start planning his retirement now but like you said too I still think it's a good couple of years off I don't think this is a sudden thing that we have more do you think I oh man I mean I can understand yeah for sure if he's got health issues you got to do what's best for himself so no hard feelings there obviously it could be I could see him retiring and basically just taking a step away from something you know smash everything and then maybe in a year if he's starting to feel like it not necessarily come back to smash but come back and you know start developing again things like that you know recuperate his health maybe you know get back I don't know where his mental state is things like that get kind of back in in line and then come back and start dev'ing again not necessarily at Smash but on on a different game whether it's a new IP Kirby we've all touched on that so you know yeah he's got to do the what's what's best for him obviously I don't want to see him work himself to death because that would be the ultimate worst thing that could possibly happen or to you know physical impairment because he you know his his hands don't you know aren't he is not able to use his hands going on later in life things like that you don't want him to get to a point where he he can't live but you know a nice a nice healthy life yeah right right right and because he's working not because of other things so you know that's kind of where I'm thinking and kind of where I stand on it you know he's got to do what's best for him obviously so if he's retiring early he's he's definitely deserved it so yeah see I I saw a lot of panic today from a lot of Nintendo fans a lot of Smash Bros fans in particular panicking about him retiring and the funny thing is in the panic it seemed to be a lot of panicking because if he retires we're never gonna get the character we wanted in Smash and I kind of look at this from like two different perspectives for the fan that thinks that Sakurai retiring is bad news because you're not gonna eventually get the character you want in Smash you can kind of like bugger off because it honest one Sakurai that hasn't made character decisions on what ones are gonna be in Smash for quite some time Nintendo has been doing it he said as much probably to get people to off his back stop but e-bagging him for people always talk about e-bagging on the channel you're e-bagging for money you guys are e-bagging for characters you're on the internet begging Sakurai to put your character in when it's not even up to him anymore he hasn't made character decisions probably since melee at this point Nintendo's been controlling all these characters and he finally put it out there because he was so tired of people pestering him about characters like I don't make these decisions I do what Nintendo tells me they tell me this character is coming in this is what we're doing that's what that in that's what Sakurai said so like when people got all mad about that fire emblem character when it got added it's like he didn't make that decision Nintendo made that decision to promote fire emblem three houses so like it's one of those things that it's out of his hands anyways he just does his best to make the characters work now he will go back to Nintendo and tell you if a character won't work as an example when there was an issue with ice climbers because of the 3ds version right couldn't handle the processing on that duality character he went to Nintendo said hey I want ice climber I just I can't it won't work 3ds just isn't good enough hardware to pull off that character so we got a cut I'm like okay you know Nintendo's gonna listen to Sakurai when it comes to this he is the ultimate controller of the IP but it's Nintendo's IP we got to remember Nintendo controls everything so the people that get upset that he's gonna retire potentially and you're not gonna get the character you want one he might never make smash bros again anyways two there's no character you are ever gonna get the character you want irregardless of Sakurai don't be so selfish like Smash Bros is huge right it's so 20 plus million if you think Nintendo is done with the IP Sakurai or no Sakurai you're sadly mistaken okay they've been having Bandai Napko working directly with Sakurai and his team on the last couple of Smash Bros games on this game in particular Sakurai has said for the first time ever he's letting other people on the development team play test the characters to balance the game and why because he is setting them up for him to no longer be the person doing that he's setting them up to not need him anymore so it is highly likely whatever the next Smash Bros game comes which by the way I don't think we're gonna get a new Smash Bros it might be a decade I think ultimate what's gonna happen is they're gonna bundle all the characters together and on the next generation Nintendo platform they're just gonna say here you go here's Super Smash Bros ultimate deluxe yeah that's what they're gonna do they're gonna melt it for another 20 million sales on a new platform and sure maybe they add another fighter past DLC or something right they'll add on five ten more characters and they're just gonna milk ultimate again because why wouldn't they they already have this amazing game all these characters they can keep it going one more generation why the hell would they trying to start all over again with a new Smash game is going to be very difficult as Sakurai has noted it is very difficult to follow up the ultimate Smash game 20 plus million in sales all these characters you ever release a Smash game it doesn't have all the characters people are gonna be pissed off and it was so hard to do it as it is that they're just gonna port it one more time they're gonna add in some DLC characters to keep the hype going make it extra 20 25 bucks off people maybe even a second DLC maybe we get over a hundred characters at some point on the next generation systems shoot for 256 but it doesn't mean that but it doesn't mean that Sakurai is gonna have anything to do with it at that point he could be done right and then again that's why I said it could be 10 years because they might not be even on the next gen system I'd be in the system after that before they finally consider okay let's try to rethink Smash Bros and let Ben and Apko make the Smash Bros game with their dreams or whatever and so when you're from the perspective that Sakurai shouldn't retire for selfish reasons get out of here the guy the guy's been suffering his hands might get to the point you can't use them anymore if he keeps up the rapid pace he is with the way that he develops games and you can argue that's his own fault and you're correct it is his own fault but you wanted to keep doing it I'd rather the guy retire right yeah I'd rather have a tire than hurt himself no for sure now look he's not actually gonna retire yet he's contemplate he's talked about stepping away from Smash before this is the first time he's talked about retiring he brought it up unprompted that he's contemplating retirement and that's okay I get it he's young and he's probably way more well off than most of us are 50 years old yep he's done his time he's probably made his millions he has to at this point at least off ultimate so all I want from him is to do what he wants to do if he doesn't want to do smash and he's been saying forever he doesn't want to do smash he kept doing it in the past and he spoke about it because of Iwata okay and it's possible that Smash Bros. Ultimate was originally being conceptualized and started while Iwata was still alive so that this could have been one of his last swan songs so his he was his best friend he said publicly Iwata was his best friend so like one of the last swan songs for the Satura Iwata and now that that's done and he did what he feels is the best possible job he could ever do on a smash game he wants to step away from it and he's taught for years he's got ideas for other games if nothing else if he wants to retire early spend more time with his family go on more vacations enjoy his life as he said sometimes he feels like game development makes the rest of his life not fun because he puts so much time into game development he doesn't have the time and then obviously when you're hurting yourself that makes the stuff you do do not enjoyable because you're in pain all the time you're always going to the doctor you're getting fluids you're wearing casts and all these things to keep your wrist okay and like at the end of the day every day normal activities you know hugging your wife hurts and that sucks so ultimately I wanted to at least step away from Smash Bros. and be done with it after this fight or pass I would like to see him just say I'm done and people might get mad about that but I'm sorry I we've gotten the ultimate Sakurai game I don't need any more from it let band and app go Nintendo take it from here and if the franchise bombs after this without Sakurai so be it yeah it happens okay we can't keep relying on this guy to kill himself to make games I wanted to step away from Smash and he's talked about other ideas he has from games if he's only got one more game in him if he's only got one more game his health his family it's only gonna allow one more game to come out I want it to be the game of his dreams the game he wants to make not the game Nintendo wants him to make because remember he is an independent contract employee he doesn't technically work for Nintendo he's contracted his development studio is contracted to make games he can I don't know what the contract states but I'm assuming he could do what he wants so if his contract is done after ultimate great let him make the game he wants him he might make it for Nintendo he's been making Nintendo games his whole life high chance he's gonna partner with Nintendo for whatever he's making maybe he doesn't maybe he makes it for PlayStation maybe makes it for PC maybe what he wants to make is some small little indie game I don't care whatever Sakurai wants to do the rest of his career he's earned it he wants to retire at 55 let him he wants to make small indie games the rest of his life that you guys might never care about let him he doesn't need the spotlight anymore he's probably tired of the spotlight he's complained so much about fans are going after him for characters let me let me throw on top of that those people who are going after them are possibly the reason why he's contemplating retirement is so we don't have to doesn't have to deal with that constantly to physical and mental health so all you people pestering him are part of the reason why he's contemplating retirement so lay off the man guarantee you you make game development less enjoyable for sure and therefore probably other things in his life so it's sad to say that but I mean that's just the reality I think I think a lot of smash fans like I saw the reactions today and there were so many selfish comments and I'm like wow is this really what it's come down to a Sakurai if it has walk away man walk away and that's um sorry that's that's kind of the the thing like there's this weird unique relationship I think that we probably all noticed with Super Smash Bros. Sakurai and the fans right it's just one of those things where the fans are so aware of him and so connected to him he's always doing those updates on Twitter and on the websites and it's and I feel like what we've maybe seen happen which kind of leads to your guys points at the fans demanding that is that there's it's got like a little bit of entitlement I guess maybe I have to use that word with people right like you need to do what I want with the character I want and do it with the game I want because it's smashed and your Sakurai and so I feel like I can yell at you about this I mean that exists in a lot of different franchise companies but it seems like with Sakurai the fan relation to him is just that much more unique and people really want specific things and they feel not everybody obviously there's a lot of good people out there too we're not trying to call everyone else but those really vocal people that Eric you were bringing up they're the ones who feel like they're allowed to yell at him and say do this the way I want it with Smash because it's mine and that's unfortunate and like you guys say he obviously has struggled with health and all these things there is a good chance that's been part of what's made it hard for him to do and he's a really talented and creative guy he's so good at what he does making video games if he's got one or two games in him let him make some let him step away from smash which has dominated his life decade right let him do something different I think it I think it could be so great to see what he could do that isn't smash brothers and like you said mate smash is probably still going to continue whenever he does step away it's not gone yeah it's the largest fighting game in the world guys fighting games in case people didn't realize because you know we we think as an evil we think because of you know the arcade cabinets the fighting games are this big mainstream thing go look at fighting game sales it's niche the fighting genre is a niche genre we know about the street fighters the Mortal Kombat's but go look at the game sales and then go look at the sales of action and adventure games go look at the sales of RPGs go look at the sales of FPS games go look at how many people are playing games like Minecraft or Fortnite in comparison fighting games are small potatoes like when arms sold two million copies that was one of the best-selling fighting games of that year only two million copies it outsold some household names that year and people like oh arms wasn't good enough didn't sell didn't sell it up if that didn't sell enough then all these other fighting games should be canceled right and then you have Smash Bros. okay always at one of the top of the sales charts and now 20 plus a million unheard of for a fighting game unimaginable it is a phenomenon of the game yeah unimaginable so yeah it's the ultimate smash game just from a sales perspective they're not gonna let smash die they might melt ultimate for as far as long as they can and sacrifice final project and you know maybe tacking on characters on the next console and all that but yeah they're you know but again that's why I said it might be a decade before you see a new smash game and that's okay to me I'm okay with the ultimate is that good it's a multiplayer game it doesn't die so yeah speaking of games today we have to Pokemon news kind of unexpected because a lot of people are looking forward to a Pokemon direct or a Pokemon presents or something because the Pokemon company traditionally in early June does a presentation especially when there's gonna be E3 they present outside of E3 and then Treehouse shows off gameplay during E3 but and we still might get that but today we got release dates for all the Pokemon games that we're looking forward to at least the major ones right Pokemon was a Pokemon brilliant diamond and shiny pearl I think that's coming November 19th or 18th something like that yeah something like that one of those two days and then Pokemon legends Arceus who we were told was coming early 2022 oh it's coming early 2022 January 28 2022 like okay all right I thought some people thought that legends Arceus might get delayed clearly not I have heard from Samus hunter if you're someone who subscribes to her rumors and her reports that she throws out there that one of the reasons why it's for sure hitting that date and can't be delayed is that next year and I have a new video going on in this tomorrow but we'll talk about it now next year there is going to be a new generation of Pokemon coming out so the follow up the sword and shield the next generation game is supposed to come in next year so they can't delay legends Arceus because they need game freak to get right back on the full team to get right back on that next generation game so they can't delay the game now this brings up some questionable things like what do you guys think about we've only seen one trailer for legends Arceus like when you watch that trailer did it look like a game that still needed a lot more work man it's been a while since I've seen it so see to me the only thing was the frame rate didn't look good yeah yeah I would say um I would say it definitely did but I'm in I'm in the weird camp and we kind of talked about for the screen too where I'm not really a Pokemon fan but even though this game didn't look super finalized it still kind of made me excited so I'm in this weird camp of I don't really like or play Pokemon this game doesn't look finished like you're totally right there's obviously a lot of work still to go but more because of the concept it still kind of made me excited even as a non-fan um but yeah it's it it definitely still looks like it needs more to be up to par with other games yeah it was weird to me um like they clearly did a lot of uh a lot of shots that compared it to Breath of the Wild uh in that trailer and and that's totally fine um they clearly are drawing inspiration from that um and this to them is the Breath of the Wild of the Pokemon franchise and apparently I've heard they've been working on it for at least three years uh Breath of the Wild guys had five plus years of development so like to pull it off in three years kind of feels weird kind of feels like it might be a bit of a smaller experience which again I don't really expect a world as big as Breath of the Wild here that's realistic it's Sino it's not going to be as big as Breath of the Wild but um it's one of those things that one it's what I've wanted Pokemon to do since I was a kid okay I've wanted them to go open world I've wanted them to uh go outside of the confines of traditional Pokemon and they haven't done it really I know yes Sword and Shield had had the Wilds area I'm sorry they added a Hyrule Field that's not the same thing okay I'm gonna tell you right now Ocarina of Time is a linear game it's not open world just because there's a Hyrule Field and that's what they did in Pokemon they added a Hyrule Field okay fine that's nice but it's still an enclosed linear experience despite the fact that you can run all over a little open area that's fine okay how's that any different than running in the grass on a path the path is just bigger this time okay everything revolves around a circle instead of revolving on straight lines all right cool that's not open world so I'm really excited for this game um I don't see my my whole trep addition with Pokemon Legends Arceus is do I trust Game Freak to create such an innovative experience and then my response is I don't know they haven't captured my imagination with Pokemon in decades and then New Pokemon Snap comes out and I just I'm in love with this game and by the way the visuals of New Pokemon Snap made Sword and Shield look like an embarrassment um oh my god it's a pretty game it's a very pretty game and now I get it guys right you're just snapping photos frame rates perfect the gameplay is practically perfect for what that game is it is one of the most gorgeous looking Pokemon it is probably the most gorgeous looking Pokemon game ever um and you see what Bandai Namco who made that game is able to do a Pokemon you're like okay Game Freak you need to step the hell out I'm sorry and I mean yeah is it I'm sorry to cut you off isn't that isn't that isn't that kind of the thing though with um with Game Freak and the Pokemon games and this isn't like a call out you know I'm not trying to be a non-fan calling out Pokemon or anything but you know I've seen the discourse and the conversation you know all three of us obviously have we're not huge Pokemon fans today but we see what happens and there's always seems to be this battle weirdly kind of like with the Sakurai thing uh right where it's like the fans and Game Freak like you know we want this we we expect more and Game Freak constantly seems to kind of not really deliver for the fans and again as a non-fan I see the games I see the footage in the trailers and it doesn't really look just visually it doesn't look up to par with most other games right and which is kind of what started this whole thing like Arceus looks really cool but it also looks unfinished and they're trying to make it like Breath of the Wild but it is nowhere near as impressive or complete or stable looking as a Breath of the Wild and I just think it's I've always found it kind of funny and I guess I would say frustrating even as a non-fan that Game Freak can be the developer behind one of the biggest gaming properties on the entire earth and they still can never really seem to get their games to kind of be on par with more of an industry standard with other games like even from Nintendo I'm not talking about comparing Pokémon to like PS5 games just when you compare Pokémon to even other Nintendo games on the same hardware it's like it's never really there obviously the gameplay seems to make fans happy and that is most important but there's something about Game Freak that it's like with you know and you bring up Bandai working on Pokémon Snap which looks fantastic and so it's like what's the disconnect there you know as a non-fan I just find it interesting seeing that dynamic. Yeah and now like an outside studio can make your games look better than you can look and it's weird because like someone brought it from the chat I can't remember who it was but they mentioned that like well wouldn't it be nice if like the Pokémon team wasn't one-third the size of Bandai and Amko's team that they used on Snap and it's like exactly that's one of the big issues is the Pokémon company and I don't even think this is a Game Freak issue the Pokémon company likes things that come out on schedule they schedule the end everything is scheduled around each other right the anime is scheduled along with the game scheduled along with the TCG it all works in synergy so they have very very tight strict schedules that sometimes lead to only a year or two years max development on a Pokémon game in the case of Arceus apparently three okay fine which by the way I don't know how they're working on a new gen Pokémon game while working on Legend's Arceus when they don't even have a big enough team in my opinion for a single game guys they're rocking like less than 200 employees at Game Freak the largest IP in the world for merchandise anime and game sales movies as well the largest IP in the world bigger than Mario bigger than Sonic bigger than whatever Sony's putting up their Kratos and and you know alloy bigger than everything bigger than Zelda this thing is the biggest global icon IP in existence and the development team is under 200 people how does that happen how do they not have a 500 a thousand person team making two three games at a time with 300 plus employees on every single game how is this not happening and again I was going to add to that point too Nate it's the fact that we also know they're always kind of making a couple of games at any one time so if their team is that small it's almost like each team becomes smaller because they they're gonna have to be dividing some people between multiple projects so it's not like all 200 are on one game it's like some are on this game some are on the other game yeah and I think what happened was I think I think why we're even getting legends Arceus because I don't think this was a plan for them five years ago don't think they were thinking about this game they were thinking of Sword and Shield let's go and then they were gonna move on and do their normal thing okay we're gonna take Sword and Shield we're gonna go remake Diamond and Pearl in that engine and then we're gonna have another game come up that's the next generation that follows up Sword and Shield that's just a little bit better you know a little bit prettier a little bit more 3d but not quite there maybe a little bit more open but not quite they were going to keep doing the minor things they've been doing and what led the legends Arceus and after all this is the first time if you think about shining a brilliant diamond and shining pearl first time they've had a read made Pokemon game being made by an outside company not game freak is what happened is they saw what happened because Zelda team used to be the same way they were split up they had a you know small team making top down and they had the ones to make them the giant 3d ones and they you know sometimes they would get disappointing sales like with Skyward Sword was disappointing you know it would sit around four to six million in sales every single time and then one time ever Nintendo takes their handheld and console teams puts them together brings him monoliths off next thing you know they got a 500 plus team making Breath of the Wild Breath of the Wild comes out and more than doubles the sales of the best selling Zelda game ever which by the way guys combined sales over 8 million Twilight Princess was the best they ever had for for a single release you could talk about multiple releases of games and adding up ocarina time 3d with you but in terms of single releases Twilight Princess was the best-selling one at 8 million units Breath of the Wild is at 23 million which one do you think they made more money on it's it's three times as many copies they're still selling it today we know a sequel is coming maybe even this year and they're still selling it at full price and they're selling it at multiple millions per year they just sold like four million copies of it in the last year that's like what the old Zelda game used to sell overall for the lifetime Breath of the Wild is massive and Pokemon saw that and they go you know what if we did that to Pokemon could we sell 40 million maybe maybe you've never tried you've always settled the cheapest we can develop a game we're going to guarantee sell 10 million every single time cheapest development 10 mil plus we're happy with that then they saw the zelda team do that and they're like oh shit so that we can double like they no one thought zelda could ever sell 20 million we were talking about how maybe zelda we use if it nails it and the switch is popular it could break 10 million yeah did that in year one no problem so it's like and we're not even by the way we're not even counting them we use it it's got we use sales and I think it's at 25 million plus so like this is insane what so they saw that and they go well we're finally going to take a remake away because we we still want to release our almost yearly games so we want to make our quick money but how do we make our quick money but still try to create this big experience we'll outsource the game and so you see people upset at the outsourcing and the chibi art styles and okay fine be upset but that's what gamefreak wanted to do to maintain revenue income and not not lose revenue but then also be able to try to make their breath of the wild the problem I have is they're not taking the amount of years and it doesn't seem like they're increasing the team size enough to really pull off a breath of the wild see Nintendo said screw it bring those teams together okay so now we got 250 300 employees then we'll take 200 from monolith soft and bam biggest development team in nintendo history working on a game doing record numbers and the pokemon company as far as we're aware hasn't reached out now one interesting thing is we saw a recent hiring uh from monolith soft they had like 40 plus people they were hiring some of them listed pokemon that's interesting to me because that now means monolith soft is helping the pokemon company so how many people from them are helping out with legends arceus who worked on breath of the wild that's what i hope that's true yeah i i really hope that oh i'm sorry i mean so you have good um coming off and yeah um i just wanted to say i really hope that that's true and i hope that there's a fairly significant amount of people from monolith that go over to help with pokemon arceus just because that game is trying to do the open world thing monolith like you mentioned was really successful helping the nintendo internal team make breath of the wild like look at what they delivered as far as a true open world i mean it's i played tons of open world games breath of the wild that world blows them all the way and so you get the zeno blade guys helping with this pokemon legend arceus you know game freak obviously maybe needing a little bit of help there i just i hope that it's a significant amount of people i hope that they really are working on arceus and not necessarily something different and you know i mean so they just gave us the release day which we know is january i'm personally okay with it because it's the first pokemon game i'm considering buying and being excited for now um so i don't mind that it's coming out in january but when you consider what it looked like just whatever two months ago and then you go fast forward a year to january when it comes out like how much better could they make it look with just their normal but you bring in the monolith dudes and maybe they can make it that much more impressive between now well and i also wonder that's my hope yeah i also wonder like when we saw the game how much of the game is done versus how much just needs polishing right because when we saw it's possible the entire game is already done and now they want a year to improve the visuals improve the frame rate all this stuff and that's what monolith is it because this monolith got heavily involved when they said hey we want to bring this to switch we need people who know what they're doing they brought in monolith stuff so i'm wondering if like maybe when we saw it it was actually an almost complete game so now i do believe if it was almost complete they do have the time to polish it and you know take nine months to get that thing going covid's office is starting to come to a close you can start getting to people back in the office and really make this game come to life and i'm that's the thing like a brux of the development that happened here in covid and it just makes me wonder like how the hell did they do this and is it going to live up to what fans expect because they have to know based on just just how many people watch that trailer the multiple millions of people that watch that trailer on youtube the expectations on this are astronomical and there's plenty of skepticism but we're going to sell 10 million of this thing day one this can't bomb yep or we can never do it again they'll never take a risk again because this this is a risk game for them they could have put the team and made diamond and pearl look prettier but instead this is what they're doing um so it's a risk i applaud them yes for taking the risk yes because game freak isn't technically usually a risky studio but the pokemon companies letting them do it they've clearly inspired by breath of the wild clearly they saw what nintendo did with zelda and said we should do that with pokemon you absolutely are right you should be that ambitious with pokemon it takes a several long years to do that how's ambition going to fit into the pokemon company schedule oh well we're going to make this as a prequel so it doesn't really fit within the anime and stuff it's just kind of something that happens before one of the main games okay fine but then how does the next game keep up you know do you have a separate team in a separate studio already working on your next game and then the poke game freaks and come in and take over after i don't know i don't understand the inner workings hardly anything gets leaked about the inner workings of the pokemon company they're very secretive if i play one second of the god of kachamala music on my channel i get a copyright strike they are very very restrictive of their ip it's insane it's insane like i can't even hum the lyrics and they put a strike well no they'll claim the video they won't strike it if i hum it but if i play the real it's insane they mean this is the company where some people during e3 were having a pokemon club meeting it's a separate fan club they made having it at a bar and they shut it down because pikachu was in the flyer they weren't going to lose one these were pokemon fans coming together to have some drinks and probably play some trading card game yeah and they shut it down because pikachu was in the flyer like this is how restrictive the pokemon company is with their ip they won't even let fan gatherings happen on their own that's all built around their ip and benefits them right so yeah i do i trust game freak not at all well maybe i would should be saying is do i trust the pokemon company to allow game freak the time to do it right no allow them the budget to hire enough people to do it right no my only hope is because of those monoliths of hyraeans that they reached out to nintendo and nintendo said hey we got a studio for you let's help you out because this is our reputation on the line either better they didn't reach out nintendo let us help you that's what i was wondering eric that's what i was wondering the same thing what if nintendo was like hey we know how to make this right yes maybe now yeah i mean because i don't remember ultimately the pokemon company doesn't get the backlash it's always nintendo right and but nintendo just traditionally we don't really care about how many millions it's all we'll just eat the backlash right but i think there's it got to the point where they were starting to take notice because i've seen them starting to take notice on other things too like their online stuff their their things like that maybe they are starting to kind of realize oh maybe we should start to take notice of our fans a little bit listen to and they're constantly seeing why isn't the pokemon games advancing why does it kind of just feel like the same thing over and over and over again and you know maybe they're now like okay we are helping you you get no choice in this and we will kind of tell you i mean granted yes i know they're a minority owner but to a certain extent i'm guessing they went we are helping you so fix this issue yeah so so so nintendo owns this is this is what i've been been reported nintendo owns 60 of the actual pokemon ip copyright no okay okay so that's the ownership rights it doesn't mean that's the cut they get on everything right like you know for pokemon go they're cut on that's way smaller they just give the okay for the ip rights but they don't take all you know all those profits away from the pokemon company you know that they let the pokemon company operate independently and all that because that's just that's how it works it just works best that way tender doesn't have to worry about managing the cartoon series and the movies and all that right so but nintendo if you look at it every single cartoon series you order the credits nintendo is in the credits yeah because they're on ip holder um so yeah i i wonder if it's one of those game freaks you know because because nintendo is going to know what they're making for their system because all console games have to be exclusive to nintendo that's part of the that's nintendo stipulation with their ip rights and they had to know this game was being made and that's why it's like did nintendo be like oh you're gonna make an open world pokemon one second monolith is gonna help you out yeah period you get no choice period because you're not messing this up oh you're inspired by breath of the wild we're we're glad you can't screw this up you screw this up we get burned yeah not you you you can just fall back and just go back to recent remakes and stuff be fun we deal with the backlash if this can't live up to breath of the wild right yeah and it makes you wonder like why would game freak not be willing to listen to nintendo like nintendo is not perfect but they're a legendary game developer they've been doing it for decades there's a great pokemon video game nintendo relationship so if those conversations happen almost no matter who started it whether it was nintendo that approached game freak or vice versa i mean why wouldn't they listen especially when they are taking that risk like you said they're like we're gonna try to finally make a totally different kind of game than we're used to and nintendo the company we've been working with for decades they're really good at this kind of game so i just feel like they had to have been open to that advice granted it's got to show in the final product and so we have to wait until january to see if it actually delivers between monolith and nintendo and everyone working on it but i mean why wouldn't they listen to them nintendo knows what they're doing i'm i'm i'm actually pretty like hopeful even though i'm not a pokemon guy because i want to find a pokemon game that makes me excited and that i enjoy i'm hopeful that arceus like turns out to be awesome and it looks great and it's fun and it's a big adventure game because that's the way to get me personally into pokemon just make it a big adventure i don't care if you copy zelda i like zelda so if you copy a game in a series i like you're gonna probably capture me so you know i'm i'm i'm leaning towards optimism even though there are frustrating aspects to game freak i want to hope that they deliver with that game absolutely absolutely yeah so obviously these are the only games happening around the switch we got e3 around the corner right guys it's right there on the logo in the back we got e3 2021 coming up our big pre-show $3,500 worth of giveaways going on a whole bunch of crazy stuff a bunch of special gas competitions one of us is going to be dressed in this tangle for an hour another one's going to be probably dropping three shots of tequila another's going to be uh you know having to do the hot chip challenge a whole bunch of crazy stuff we're gonna have a lot of fun and you guys are going to win a lot of really cool stuff but here's the thing e3 is about the games e3 is about what's announced it's about the presentation we're covering all that we're covering it all live and we're obviously very curious what the hell the nintendo is doing now big shout out to nintendo academy earlier in the stream he did a $5 super chat and he said this is for the hustle e3 hype is at an all-time high and i think it's at an all-time high for me too because i miss it i miss it we didn't have it last year and honestly if i think everyone's honest with themselves we could all tell e3 was missing what it was replaced with did really replace it summer game fest spread out all throughout summer didn't really work and now jeff kealy's doing it all in one night okay he learned it didn't really click for people to do it all summer um so like it's one of those things where it did you know ubi saw forwards there's like two of them last year anyone even remember what was taught about that those things no one remembers because there were solo events on their own in the middle of months just like nintendo directs but not with what lacking the exciting announcements instead of having it all packed together one presentation along with everybody else you know we all remember the bad e3s for nintendo and the good e3s for nintendo everyone remembers that stuff because it all happens at an industry-wide event and we missed that last year there were attempts at it you know there was the digital game developers conference there was the digital um gamescom but none of it really felt quite like what e3 was so e3 is back and logan mablak mentioned i did a two-hour super chat i don't really know how i'm going to fit this one in so i'm just going to bring up the super chat because it's kind of irrelevant to whatever we're talking about you just wanted to say that he still wants to be sports on switch i like it so i had to get that comment and literally has nothing to do with any of the topics today but who cares you know what i do say people super chat will bring it up i try to i try to grab your guys the super chats and like inject them where it makes sense that one made sense nowhere so got it we sports you want it on switch got it sense right here right here so e3 um obviously we've been talking a lot about this at the channel i'm sure you have to as well a few times and like i've been covered a lot of sam and center stuff and she put out there three games that she's guaranteeing already three one of those rest of the wild two which i think a lot of people feel like that's going to be shown jeff grubb came out and said 51 percent chance to get shown basically he doesn't know if it's going to get shown but he's like i mean they got to show it at some point the share and agnoma said that they would so why not e3 um and then uh he said we're also going to see splatoon uh three which is interesting because they just announced it not till next year but then you start thinking if it's an early 2022 game it would make sense to start maybe talking about it because you know if it's coming out in march if if pokemon arceus is in uh you know uh january why can't why can't we expect splatoon three in march yep coming right before the end of the fiscal year uh supposedly he said there might be even be a tournament by nintendo treehouse so it's kind of like okay well if it's that playable that they could do a tournament i mean that games that games gotta be rapping up soon right even though it's not coming out this year not necessarily you can polish one polish one level really easy sure to sure to make but if you're at the point that you could polish one level so much that you could play it then how many of the levels are i don't polish you at that point i don't know you know it's one of those things where you know and it's a game they trickle out content for for years no it's not like they necessarily have to have a lot at launch anyways i'm not saying that was splatoon one by the way i had taken one with severely lacking contents at the beginning and like a year later was way better right but all those updates are free so who knows what they're gonna do there by the way it's between three i'm sorry um it looks so much better than splatoon one and two just from a visual perspective it almost feels like it feels like it's a playstation five game if i'm even compared to what we've gotten so a little little crazy there uh and then he said we're also gonna get smash bros which character announcement something like that i mean i think that's kind of expected at this point we have half a year left to supposedly get two characters getting the character announcement i think is expected um so let's just start with with that and i think i think one thing i want to know from you guys is do you think at this c3 if breast of the wild two is there let's just presume it is are they going to give us a release date and when do you think that release date's going to be so i i definitely lean towards guess but that's because i i have long said i believe that game is coming out um if if for some reason that game is a 2022 release or later which a lot of people think you know and i don't even know maybe you guys think that everyone's all over the place if it's a 2022 game or later then there's a great chance we don't get the title and we don't get the date but i just man i search inside myself as a zelda fan and a nintendo fan i'm like that game is coming out i think it's the big holiday title it makes perfect sense even though you know skyward sword releasing this year becomes like you know your one zelda game for the calendar year which we know they like to do so releasing breath of the wild two this year would make two zelda games in one year and so that throws a wrench and things a little bit but i i think with the anniversary the 35th anniversary i don't know if nintendo is worried about that so because i personally believe that game will be coming out in 2021 i would think that they have to give us the date and the title which would be just what they did with the first game 2016 when all we knew was that it was a wii u game and they showed off the wii u game in 2016 and they gave us the official title said it's well they didn't to be fair they didn't give us the date actually they said it would launch the title yeah they said it would launch alongside nx and simultaneously they did yes you're right we didn't know when nx was coming at that point they but why would they reference nx and you're like wait you're talking to your next gen system but you're not going to tell us what it was yeah it was really weird that was a very exciting time exciting but also like but when does this thing come and everyone thought it's gotta be holiday right it's gotta be holiday and then it wasn't so but well but the thing is do you think that if let's pretend that was releasing and there was no nx at the time there was no next gen console i wouldn't i would not have been surprised if that game would have been the holiday title oh i think what about it yeah right the wii u i mean i love the thing but it was a failure they they knew they had a switch coming in march the next year so they're like we just delay it four months from november five months whatever from november to march and then it launches the new console i think that was the expected oh yeah for sure literally i mean i i've always been a mind that i think it would have came out on time in 2015 if they weren't considering that they get they get about a little bit into 2015 well i think what happened is because when they announced it in 2014 right they were still holding a hope for wii u okay that wii u is gonna gonna gonna boom it just needs to get some games to boom and then holiday season went through in 20 because remember they showed off gameplay of this game on wii u at the game awards and the and the gameplay looked great the world looked massive it looked like a lot of the game was there already and then it was using gamepad by the way yeah but it was remember which the wii u version ended up not having but at that time the gamepad was a huge feature yep and then literally like three or four months later a j no one comes out and like looks kind of sad to be honest and he says yeah this game is delayed indefinitely and it wouldn't really tell us why and it felt weird because we just saw him play it yeah like why is it delayed turns out they have a new system coming and i think what happened is they got past the holiday period the sales came in and nintendo's like yeah we use not turning around nope and this is our most expensive made game ever we can't put it on this this is a perfect we can't watch we just can't do that we're going to send it out to die like we did with skyward sword and it'll be even worse because nobody owns a wii u we're going to be entering the fourth third holiday period at that point in 2015 and hope that suddenly now the system's going to catch on when it bombed in 2012 it bombed in 2013 and now it bombed in 2014 yeah nintendo is not going to waste their most expensive game ever on a system that has no shot to to turn it around i i truly think in in years down the road i think that we'll all be able to look back on that choice to take breath of the wild and make it a dual release launch their next console we will look back on that is one of the smartest decisions they ever made oh yeah because i think it's it's one of the main main main reasons the switch started so strong and then kept that oops kept that momentum going by the way of the wild it could be so different by the way guys nintendo's two most successful home consoles because they still call switch a home console ever because switches already the number two most successful will become number one probably at the end of this fiscal year but it hasn't potentially be their best selling system of all time when it's all said and done um a shot at it anyways i don't know if it's going to pass ds but it has a shot if they can keep sales momentum going which by the way 2022 is already looking packed so like clearly i don't think sales is slowing down in the next couple years and we'll see what 2023 brings but another momentum on to it with the enthusiast model yeah supposedly switch pro too as well enthusiast games that's just gonna do sales even more here we'll see what happens but if you think about it the we what they do they delayed twilight princess on gamecube to launch a we why gamecube failed we spent some good money on this look at the reaction at e3 2014 we need to put this on something new so they do a release it well they technically did delay the gamecube release a month because they're dicks i don't think i don't have the gamecuber like it would have hurt sales at launch at all especially since we sold out you couldn't even buy the damn thing but anyways yeah i was actually at that e3 in 2004 when they announced that yeah one time we've been to e3 probably 2004 that's a 14 i meant four yeah yeah 2004 yeah so like okay so so they delayed the game and launched it on we helped the we blow up a lot of we sports you had your massive enthusiast game then you had your we sports but boom blew up this blew up the platform um and then they did it again except this time around there really wasn't anything but breath of the wild at launch that's why you want to switch if one two switches packed in i think it could have had a similar impact to we sports i think that's the one because i owed one to switch um it's really fun it is a great party game it really is but nobody's spending 60 bucks on that yeah as a packing game absolutely and i think that's maybe one of nintendo's greatest regrets is that they didn't pack that game in even though the system did so well it's one of those yeah but imagine the dlc and other things you could end up bundling in when you know 80 plus million people own that game just like with we sports or you could end up doing a one two three right instead of a one two switch or one two three switch to a sequel like they did with we sports resort and that ends up selling 20 million copies because everyone already has the first one and they love it like i think they missed an opportunity there for a sequel to become a franchise to do really really well if they would have packed it because think about one two switch was it was literally a proof of concept for everything the system can do so it that's a little weird then so is their biggest achievement and their biggest regret all within the launch of the system probably i think so breath of the wild and not packing in in one two switch yeah probably the biggest success and the biggest regret what i think what's funny about one two switch is like for me when you see how successful um ring fit adventure has become even though that was helped with the pandemic but i think even without the pandemic it would have sold well i think that that kind of shows that a game like one two switch could have had a huge market if it didn't maybe released at that launch period right because at that time it had the stigma of being oh it's like we sports but instead of free it's 60 bucks like you said but if it didn't come out maybe in 2020 one two switch you know labo sold really well out of the gate to bring fit adventure i bet one two switch could have sold a lot more in 2019 or 2020 yeah probably it is yeah so we know about those potential three games which again i think it's between as a tune three is there and is featured that's got to be early 2022 just my opinion i don't know why you take up segments at e3 for when like if you think about it we don't really besides the average sort of hd and the pokemon games that we now have dates for we don't know anything about the second half of this year at all nothing mario golf i mean mario golf is the first half still that's june it's june yeah you're right that's first six months so we have we have we have uh july taken care of with skyward sword because we know that traditionally at least what it's looked like in the past they like to have at least something coming out every month obviously last year they didn't 2019 they did 2017 they kind of had something coming out every single one 2018 i guess i guess it's almost every other year they kind of a down release late year not necessarily that they don't have major games like last year you can't say they don't have any major games when that's when animal crossing came out like the major game of the year um literally 30 million plus unheard of there is also no more heroes free which i'm very excited yeah so that's big shimigami tensei five is supposed to come this year but we don't have dates for any of this stuff it's just no more heroes is august that is it that has a date okay okay yeah it does have a date that doesn't say okay we just okay yeah and see like and nintendo didn't make that game so maybe that's why i didn't pay i see i like no more heroes i really do i'm i'm excited because this is like not like the the travest stuff sound strikes a game game like this is an actual no more heroes game so um and by the way the the strikes a game game is fine it was good it just like that's not what we want we wanted an actual no more heroes game so we'll see i hope it does well in fact it's exclusive it's going to do well because like every exclusive game on switch just keeps blowing up no matter what it is after that traveler exclusive at first blow up and then they bring it to other platforms so we'll see um it's kind of even like even something like a ninjala seven million plus installs and now it's like it's awesome if they're exclusive on switch you're gonna sell well if you're an indie game that couldn't find traction but you're actually really good come to switch you're probably gonna blow up on switch if we can find your game on these shots did ninjala sell seven million copies not sell it's a free to play so download seven million yeah oh okay got yeah yeah that's still impressive but that's very impressive yeah and and you know it's in and out some days you can find matches pretty easy some days you can't so it's always how many active players do you have i don't know but they're they keep releasing content so they're clearly making money off it um what we might consider success is when we're thinking of the fortnite or you know the zelda's or whatever isn't necessarily what gungho considers a success um right now it's one of the most played gungho games of all time so they clearly are very very happy with the success of this game and it might eventually go to other platforms too and then you can have cross-platform play and that can increase the player base as well but we'll see i don't know if they're working on that yet um but so for e3 i want to end it and end it kind of like this because the thing we got to get this wrapped up for you is every time we have a guest a new guest down that we haven't had on before i gotta be like what do you want nintendo to do at e3 because seriously we talk about it all the time but i never hear from others because i'm too busy talking i won't shut up so the rule of two review what do you want to see nintendo do at e3 i mean i really it sounds okay man but i just want to see them surprised obviously like that there's so many leaks and rumors and i think that we all have reasons to believe a lot of that stuff and it's really exciting um i'd love to see something that is a surprise um i want to see them have a really just a tight-knit efficient e3 direct right like when you think about their best presentations over the years whether it was in the press conference days or the directing like 2014's for example we talked about when they first revealed zelda when they have a when they have just an efficient show that's just bang bang bang and it's cool game after cool game after cool game nintendo first party stuff that's just it just is such a fun time it adds such an element of fun to e3 um you know and as a fan there's obviously things i want i'm a huge metroid so tons of metroid in the conversation right now i've believed in it for a very long time uh i would love to see metroid make an appearance at e3 even though i think there's a great chance it shows up later in the year that would be something just a fan i'd like to see and i want to see them obviously give a date and a name for the new zelda game um but yeah i just want them to surprise us and i want them to have a good show because it always sucks man when they give any direct whether it's an e3 or a regular direct and if it doesn't feel like it's firing on all cylinders and you've got so many people who are yelling and disappointed and people start fighting like that sucks man no no one likes that we don't like that stuff and here's the i mean i'm i'm a fan so i've been disappointed in direct that happens a lot but it's about when people get mad about being disappointed and then you got it yelling so i just you know it's cheesy but i just want them to have a good show a fun direct with a lot of surprises um i'm surprised to hear about samus hunter talking about split tunes three i thought that was very fascinating i didn't really expect for that to have a big presence this year because i it's a next year game so if that turns out to be true that'll be a fun surprise because i wasn't expecting it um the actual gameplay and stuff that would be that'd be sweet here yeah or a tournament like you were talking about i mean that's great i hope they do that yeah and metroid it really seems like uh it really does see my 2d metroid as a lock for e3 i think it's gone there's so many like yeah samus understood not just emily rogers is now is now telling people to look forward to 2d metroid 83 uh you're and jeff grubb come out uh we're hearing you know even like nathe hate to say it on his podcast that like it really just seems like that game's a lock it really seems like we know who's making it um it it's like that's really cool that you know we have metroid prime 4 someday i have a feeling it's next e3 you think you think next e3 is metroid e3 isn't metroid e3 you think that's gonna be the metroid e3 primey primey 3 wow and it will be there hopefully i mean i think i do people people keep saying that like when when they were when they reveal prime isn't that the prime time for nintendo prime because yeah uh yeah finally we get the game that matches the name right right um uh taker 610 uh thank you for the two-dollar uh super chat and he has a question for rule of two uh who is your evil apprentice oh okay that so he he asks that because my name rule of review the name of my channel is a it's like a star wars reference yep um and so that makes me the master at that point who would be my evil apprentice oh man i don't know i mean eric do you want a job eric you want to be the evil apprentice why not i i i can be evil okay perfect you're hired great oh yes nate you suck i'm out come over to my channel oh boy oh i suck um awesome uh yeah it's so like yeah the 2d metroid thing that seems like a lack um obviously dk and other things have been talked about along along the signs as well potentially people wanting new mario mario kart nintendo there's a whole bunch like what i find so fascinating is yeah we have a lot of a lot of supposed leaks and rumors but we don't have any facts we don't have any nintendo or like even even when we talk about oh yeah 2d metroid's a lock we don't have any screenshots or like anything out there we don't know what this looks like we don't there's no media release there's no like that's what i think is so cool about this upcoming e3 is all these companies and we don't really know what's going to be at e3 we have ideas leaks and rumors and those are fun to speculate and talk about but fact based this is for sure coming like even Breath of the Wild 2 not even jeff grub will go all the way and say oh yeah that's 100% going to be there no 51 because he doesn't know nobody know nothing is actually coming out from a image or trailer perspective unless you're square enix poor square enix oh poor square enix the entire press conference leaking to the media that is insane whoops um and not like we're gonna talk about a list of stuff we're talking the actual conference leaked to the media and every day more and more details are trickling out from it i think the media who's all seen it is like in like this talking to each other behind the scenes and be like yeah let's coordinate when we want to release this info you release because what's gonna happen is eventually some youtuber or someone's gonna get get a whole event and they're like i'm gonna release it all now and the media is like we can milk this for weeks baby yeah for weeks um and so they're looking at it as consistent traffic for weeks whereas like a youtuber like me might be like oh let me get that one video to 100k baby yeah right that one video instead of thinking if i slow leak this i can get three videos 10 videos to 100k but like you know that's the way the media looks at it they're like how can we milk this story and let's collectively milk it versus one out they've blown it out getting there a couple million views and then that's it right uh so if you guys don't think the media does that coordinates behind the scenes they don't really know anything about journalism i'm just gonna be honest with you when a big leak like this happens there's definitely court look at how the information was coming out for the new final fantasy origins game there was little new bits of information from various different outlets why do you think that was the case when they all saw it there's coordinated efforts to create multiple traffic across all websites that's just the way it goes and to be fair i'm not wrong i don't blame them it's really squares faulted whoever the hell leaked it that this is even happening so sure i'm sure the upper square index isn't too happy new especially with final fantasy origins coming up when i'm pretty sure that was going to be like a massive surprise did any anyone in the audience right now honestly think they were making a brand new final fantasy game when they already have a brand new final fantasy game announced we already know final fantasy 16 is coming exclusively the playstation 5 we already know they're they're working on the next part of final fantasy 7 did anyone see another one like this coming maybe a crystal chronicle spinoff kind of game but did we see like this kind of game coming which seems like a big deal game no i this was probably like the capper to their show and so now we know so i'm sure square is not very happy about that but hey whatever we're two weeks away from get starting to have all the news come out officially because what is it it's wednesday this would officially be like the end like we'd be done already e3 would be done yeah that's true we would be we'd be all done we'd already know everything we'd be having our reaction show after the fact or something i mean i'm i'm alive i'm kind of thinking with uh all that stuff getting out there and microsoft today conforming their plans during e3 sony's state of play tomorrow i feel like before the end of this week nintendo probably will come out and actually finally give us those plans because i am ready i want to know what they're doing yeah yeah it's it's gotta be this week yeah well and like uh jeff grubb kind of suggested that potentially nintendo is going to announce their plans on thursday now he did know it's not like he knows he just thinks he knew microsoft he knew the exact time and day he told us that the day before microsoft announced so clearly he heard um and like he said he said by the end of the week we're gonna basically know probably 90 percent of all the e3 plans uh i just hope that 10 percent that we don't know isn't nintendo yeah because that would be such a nintendo thing to do too right yeah well we'll think about it like if we head into next week right next week it you know we got june 1st um tuesday the following the following week is the week leading up to e3 so if we somehow go into the one week before the week lead up to e3 and we don't know when everybody's going at e3 something's wrong like how do you get to what what's basically media week yeah and not actually know when everyone's what they're doing at e3 so like it has to be this week right like forget jeff grubb everything has to be announced this week it just has to be oh yeah i wouldn't be surprised if they've been coordinating and so you know it was it was established that microsoft would announce today what they're doing so nintendo would have a different day like tomorrow or friday do it maybe that's why that happened so yeah i would think friday because i don't think they're gonna step on sony or i don't i don't think they care about so yeah because sony's not involved so that step on sorry that was the wrong wording not try to be overshadowed by sony i don't know that so they don't compete right right right i know i don't i don't think they care about that i'm gonna be honest like here's the thing let's say well what do we expect a nintendo to do announce the day and time of their show maybe tease one game like they do every time i'll look forward to this game and more so hopefully it's less than a while to they tease maybe not and maybe they'll tell us some treehouse times which uh samson just suggested that they're going to be that nintendo is going to be going all four days at least with treehouse which i doesn't guys it's not going to be like treehouse of the past we're not getting eight straight hours of treehouse today it's good because esa is putting on a show so they're going to have like one hour two hour segments here and there every single day where they're going to show some gameplay do some interviews that's fine and they might even go on set with uh with a game over uh greggy and and all those other people greg miller and stuff they might nintendo employees might even come on set new interviews like that could be how it works to because wherever they have hosts so since they have hosts it could be this whole magical event that's happening uh in that way uh but what i heard from sam this is the examiner suggested all four days microsoft is going day two does that mean nintendo's big things they want after they're all four days how do they how do they have treehouse before they have their thing that doesn't make any sense to me makes more sense you have your thing here and then you have treehouse the other three days makes a lot of sense well and traditionally nintendo normally goes on tuesday when e3 is a tuesday wednesday thursday event yes so they typically are on day one of the official e3 show yeah so maybe they do that on sat uh saturday to twelve i know people like well they never do directs or they never do things on weekends yeah e3's never been on a weekend yeah right yeah this is different this year different this year e3's never been on a weekend no they could go on monday they could be the capper to the whole event they could go on tuesday but it's one of those this nintendo are going to wait all the way to the end now they could and then try to blow everyone's minds and be like hey we won e3 here you go here's here's every game that's been rumored and games you didn't know we're coming and we're going to blow your minds and give you our whole slate for the next two years and you're just going to win yourself but the tree house then they want that yeah and then we'll have tree house so like i mean they could and just be like oh we already announced for tune three we already talked about smash we'll do tree house on though but like really that's really the wild one that's like the app like you're gonna give us no i'm sorry we got to have the show before tree house because then all the things they could talk about on tree house are not talked about what what they do with tree house is they play all the games that lead up to the games that are going to be announced at the end of the year so breath of the wild one they play that they play spittoon two oh i see what that would be the lamest thing i'm sorry no please don't do that nintendo so they would get skewered if they did yeah oh yeah so i so personally uh i'm i'm actually banking that's going to end up happening on saturday but again end of the week we should finally know everything um and that's where you know you're not were you worrying about thursday the big thing is happening thursday that i think nintendo might care about is sonic has their 30th anniversary event that day okay um now i don't know that nintendo announced any three plans overshadows anything it's not news it's just here's what we're gonna have news i don't think that's really good like today microsoft announced today yet there was a monster hunter event today and we have a dragon quest event tonight i don't think nintendo is going to care that other people have events going on because this this is just a tweet this isn't like a video thing that takes up your time it's a tweet they throw out a tweet with an image saying here's what we're doing need three that's it you see it you're done that's the news now we see it it becomes a 15 minute video but that's because that's because how can i not get hyped about finally knowing when it's going to happen it's like i feel like we're going to have a bonus podcast episode yeah it's possible um so we had a um another superjack coming here from ridiculous richie 89 thank you for the five dollars he says drives me crazy that we haven't seen a drop of it bayonetta 3 or metroid but we have a release date for pokemon arceus am i the only one you're probably not no we didn't know that game existed they announced it a couple months later we have a release date bayonetta 3 announced back in 2017 still don't know same with metroid prime 4 now granted we know they did announce in early 2019 rebooting the game but still you know we haven't even seen either of these games and we haven't heard that bayonetta 3 was rebooted so why haven't we at least seen that kind of weird what made it's definitely a frustrating situation but i mean the x factor with metroid prime 4 can't be denied i still feel like we might see prime 4 before the year is over sure i don't i don't expect it at next week's i don't think so it could be it could be by the end of the year yeah i feel like that's kind of more of my thinking yeah i feel like the game award i feel like bayonetta 3 has a good chance of coming out this year being like a september release or something and we're going to get a blown out of e3 um because nintendo's been doing shorter run-ups to game announcements to game releases uh you look at you know when they announced uh what was it paper mario last year to release when they announced uh you know picnic three dollars is going over to release hyrule warrior so they've been doing these shorter announcements to release i wouldn't be surprised by the bayonetta 3 is id3 and then they launched it a few months later i don't think that's gonna be too shocking um metroid prime 4 i feel like metroid prime 4 that's the game that well i don't think it's coming this year and i don't think we'll see it at any three maybe we will maybe they feel like they can announce 2d metroid without showing a trailer for metroid prime 4 it's possible i think that's possible yeah i actually discussed so something so similar on one of my videos like that could be one of the best ways to feed people excitement about a 2d metroid is by coupling it with trailer yeah i'm just gonna look time for it's been in development for two years since the restart yeah two and a half years like the game is still far away from releasing but they've got some footage they could give a 45 second trailer yeah 45 second trailer that just says you know 2022 2023 or whatever it says but be like but be like while you wait we got this for you 2d metroid yeah um now they could do that i think that what's gonna happen is they'll mention i think metroid prime 4 will get mentioned i think it's gonna be kind of like ejnomo said hey i know you see me you're thinking breath of the wild too mmm time out we need a little bit more time i think we might see something like that we're going to be like hey you know we want to talk about metroid we still need a little bit more time with metroid prime 4 but while you wait here you go and i think that's probably what's likely going to happen or they do address that people want to see it but they're like hey we're not quite ready yet and then the game awards comes and that's the big game Nintendo shows off the game awards totally it makes so much that's what i think now again it could go any direction it could not show it at all this year who i mean metroid prime 4 is the greatest mystery to me because retro studios hasn't released the game in seven years it's it's seven years you kind of had two games out in that time no games so like well it's seven years and reggie had confirmed years ago that they were making a game wait so and we don't know what that game is we don't know what happened to it we've heard we've heard star fox racing but like we haven't seen anything so what do we know you know all right well i think that's going to do it because we got a wrap this thing up because you got to head off and have your dinner and be with the family and all jazz um thank you so much rule of two review for coming on i greatly appreciate it it's a lot of fun to have guests on for the first time this is really great we're clearly going to have you on again because that was a good vibe don't worry about cutting me off by the way yeah cut me off all the time i don't care and i'm just trying to balance you know andrew's restart comes on i'll start talking and he's like nate shut up for a second blah blah then he just talks for like a half hour and i'm like all right man we're good yeah tell me to tell me to do the on dress is a good dude he's a friend of mine too i saw him on the podcast yeah you're on his podcast too i think we're doing the other day or yeah i've been on a couple times yeah yeah a couple times he's been trying to get me on the pro i told him the problem is he doesn't have sunday nights and like i don't do that stuff on weekend that's my family time you know so it's been hard for me too but it's a great show yeah i told him i told him i want to make it one time it just the timing has to be right um to line up maybe eat through time he will be it because um you know if he does his podcast on sunday that night perfect time to come guest on yeah yeah because we'll be done with e3 coverage at that point and come on his podcast and keep the hype going basically my streaming doesn't stop after the 12 hours i gotta go out of three hour podcast you gotta get some sleep nate no no there's no sleep during e3 not this year probably not no there what there has to be when i go on to e3 i'm up to like 3am editing videos waking up at 5am to get back to the show floor so oh my god i remember what not you i let you get some sleep because i'm an eric i got one computer or whatever you're gonna do i got it you go to bed this is i'm i get paid for this you know i remember watching you guys react to something at e3 in a hotel room like a couple years ago i might have been yeah i don't remember what it was it was probably yeah it was elder yeah it was very cool it was very cool yeah we and we specifically go to that hotel when we go there because the internet is good enough to stream and the pool was amazing what and the pool is amazing oh the pool is amazing i do miss the food the breakfast of the other on the other place but way better but very hard to get into that park and not that park so oh for sure and i don't actually i don't think we do we try to stream from there that year i don't think we try i don't think we that was 2016 we don't think we were live reacting no because that was our first year there so we're just trying to figure out yeah and that was the zealot informer days where we didn't really care about youtube right there's that too so they might have good enough internet there don't know yeah anything anything you want to you want to pull anything you want to uh you know let people know you have coming up here yeah so again yeah thanks for the opportunity my channel name is rule of two review uh my name is rob the channel's rule of two review um i do have a video coming on pickman series so that's kind of a deep dive exploration i've been spending some time doing that on a couple of nintendo franchises i covered i always do it with metroid but i recently covered at zero in depth and i covered star fox in depth and opportunity to my cn switch so that's one of my next big ones coming up hopefully before the end of the week is something i think i mean i upload several videos every anyway i'm covering all the e3 stuff right along with you guys too so it's been a but it's not a fight and i appreciate being on man it was a lot of fun to finally we've known each other for so long but we've never really talked to this this is the first time it was really yeah it was funny too at the very beginning like i was saying your name and the people that channel like who's rob who's rob who's all like all right the tv man all right all right forget the people why not know your name whoops um okay anyways um all right well you guys can find this podcast anywhere podcasts are heard Spotify itunes all that jazz we put the audio version up i try to get it up like same night usually doesn't happen usually comes the next day it is what it is i do my best i'm typically a one-man show i even write it for this podcast we got cable management and other things we got to get done here uh tonight might pull up another little bit of a little bit live stream later maybe a 45 minute one just to retest everything make sure we didn't break it make sure we don't have the audio issues again so future streams coming up like we have other things to react to coming up like we have summer game fest and other things and i want to make sure things work um plus i'm thinking if there's a nintendo announcement for e3 we might end up having a bonus cast this week like a little quick 45 minute one just eric and i chit chat in a way but we'll see what happens thank you guys for for tutoring you can follow eric on twitter at emo 8790 uh you probably won't respond but i mean you can you can tweet at him and i see it he'll he'll read it yeah he'll text me oh kory yeah right and i'll be like what did he say to you now yeah dragging me into some drama yeah right but yeah thank you guys for tuning in uh you guys know where you can find me this is the nintendo prime podcast type in nintendo prime and google i'm all over the place yeah all right catch you guys in the next episode and i don't have outro music so goodbye guys i looked at my thing where's the outro music doesn't exist