 What are some of your earliest experiences with expressing yourself as a human being? You know right now acting people know you for acting. I want to take you back earlier point in your life. What are some of your earliest memories with expressing yourself as an artist or as a as a human being? There were the most powerful moments moments that I was able to feel in front of people. You did and see where I was brought up. They were not a lot of people. But when you start doing it bro it cleans you up of all of that. So it was it was a it was a release for me. It was a beautiful thing for me you know and then now shit I express myself as much as I can and with his acting bro the acting saved my life because I was able to do things and even though sometimes it would look like a weak character we're all weak in some parts of our life you know I'm saying you got to show them feelings you can't just be a hard dude all the time so now I'm able to laugh I'm able to cry and but now I do it without just being an actor I do just immediately better doing this and you know what it feels the most so much better you know. What are some of the things that some of the art that you look like that that you like some of the things that fill you up and fill you up? You know my thing is I go back to my old R&B man you know I'm an R&B guy you know and even though sometimes it takes me to a dark place I could always change the record now and bring back to a happy place you did. See before the dark place you couldn't get out of the dark house you can't get out of that brother you know what I'm saying. I remember times where I was you know in a closet and there was a song by war called Thrift of the Word and I would just be slamming heroin in a closet think about this now picture this motherfucking piece I've been a close-up closet listening to this song that was back then we had cassette tapes and it would just be in a loop the song over and over again you dig listen to it's a dark song and just in a dark moment for like about 18 hours you know I'm saying and I and then it's still one of these days one of my favorite songs watch here it's called Deliver the Word by War you gotta check it you listen to the words brother it's gonna fuck you up man. Yeah two more things sons of anarchy man I think I watched that from beginning to end without blinking man that was a I couldn't stop watching it man and once I've got the first episode going I watched it straight through to the end because I heard about it later how you reflecting on that experience on being a part of that because I thought it was perfect man I loved every piece of it. You know what sons just to South the West what I read it I knew it was gonna do well because there was no shows I get out there you know and what it was Kurt Sutter actually put the bikers what you think a biker's life is what she could watch in the comfort of your home or the safety of your home you dig what I'm saying that's what made it good and but I like see Marcus Alvarez is immediately better 28 years ago you dig what I'm saying very hardest man very you know that's who I was so it's easy for me that's my love play Marcus Alvarez because I get to revisit that guy and not have to deal with the trouble you know I'm saying bro so it's nice for me. I have a lot of people who lost their life to addiction my uncle passed away those of his twins so when he died I tattooed his twins because that's all he talked about so it's like everyone asked me about my tattoos in my hand that was my uncle's twins and he died like not really being able to like experience full fatherhood and stuff but he was an addict he was an addict you know so he was also an artist you know so I feel like art could have saved him if he really believed in himself you know what's your advice to people who you know maybe struggling but you know also have a light in them that they haven't brought out yet. The thing is this you know at times that see the drugs man and is an easy way out. Fuck the easy way out home but anybody can do that shit you know I'm saying and we all got a piece we all we're all artists in some kind of way we got something we just got to find it but what's happening what you were trying to we're too high to find the motherfucking shit leave the shit alone and find yourself you dig and you know what man it took me 29 years to find myself but you know what I found what I have I have homeboys who are the most baddest artists bro I mean back to seeing but they like to other shit too much you know what I'm saying and it's a it's a it's a easy way out man don't go take the easy way anybody can do that shit fuck that