 Welcome back to part two. I am joined in the studio by Gavin Buckland. We are discussing his new book, Boys from the Blue Stuff. Check it out. Make a great Christmas present, or a great old man present. The link is in the description. You can click on it and order the book. They are excellent read boys from the blue stuff. We finished part one. Everton had just finished third in 1978. So gaf, what happened next? 78th, Lee finished third and then he didn't do a good bit, you know, kick on then. Buy some good players. And then he bought Dave Thomas, the summer before 77th. I don't remember Mickey Walsh. I know that one. Yeah, it was just like that. It was like from Blackfield. Yeah, he bought him in the summer. The goal of the season. Yeah, that was something he did in his career. So Liverpool were after him, you know. And obviously Mickey Walsh, Steve Walsh was his brother, you know. Like he said, I've been the director of football. I don't think I've been in the Walsh family. No, he got Mickey very well now, sadly. And Mickey just, he's one of them. He's a good second division striker. He's just over promoted. Yeah. And he, it's like now we buy a player from the championship. He scored a load of gold in the championship coming in the top flight and it doesn't happen, you know. Dw i gael. And even, I always have Salis Park in 2014, by the way. That gap was still there then. Even though the gap in the divisions wasn't as big. Wasn't as big. You could still tell it wasn't. Walsh was immediately a parent. He wasn't a good brother. He spent £3,000 on him. But then at the start of the season, we go on this long gun beating run. We're the last team on beating in the country Christmas. And I include that run better. I think it's one of Evan's favourite afternoons, isn't it? Of a certain generation even after. Like the Andy King Barbie, you know, in October 1978. We've not beaten Liverpool for seven years. And I write a whole chapter on that. Because it's so memorable, you know. They say goodness on the light is great, but it's like a nice autumn run after the golden afternoon, you know. It's hugely symbolic. That was their best team, 1978-1979. Andy King's goal and the memorable John Motton commentary. It was a suspected favourite Liverpool above Evan, but that's just me. He had all the ticketype things from the Argentina World Cup. So I try and capture all that in the book, you know. Because it was such an emotional afternoon. I remember very well beating Liverpool for seven years, you know. I thought that would be the longest period of time with that. I thought that would be the longest period of time we'd have to go without a diary when. How wrong I was. So the whole chapter on that. Andy King, sadly not with us, he's not with us. He liked a good goal on the telly. There's one right into the top corner. And famously, he covered it also, the famous interview afterwards, where the policeman ran it. He doesn't tell them, he pushes them off the page, doesn't he? So that's it. So Leeke, we're second in the table at Christmas and unbeaten. And then all of a sudden it just falls apart. You know. Because Leeke, Gordon, I think he... I don't think he knew how to build teams. I think, as a manager, I think he's got two things to do when he joined a club, is get the place that you inherited work and properly organise, probably and get the best out of them. But then, after you've done that, play in your own style, watch your toes in style. And I can think of two or three event managers, like Martha Ness was one, who could do well with the plays inherited, but when he's trusting with his own players and stuff, it doesn't happen. I think, to be fair, it probably happened with Joe Royal as well. So I said that Gordon was like that. He was great at getting the best out of plays he inherited. He liked plays he worked hard. But he saw some behind plays, he was 29-30. He sold Martin Dobson, he was 30, both 8.5, he was 30. But why don't you buy a younger player? He brought Brian Kidd, he was 30. Well, you're not going to progress doing that and play big money for them, I'm thinking. Again, synergy. I think in 1979 it was really cold winter and Gordon got a major carbon over cold pitchers, mighty pitchers, you know. And he started feeling. After 80 months where he thought he was the Messiah, he started to crack up a little bit. I think the pressure started to get at them. And the thing to be fair to Gordon, where he was really unlucky, was obviously with Liverpool, is there's a gap now, but that's when the big gap started to appear. Before Gordon, it was always nip and tuck. Liverpool mid 70s. OK, they won a couple of extra titles, but you never thought we can get that back. That being the history of the mid side football, you can get it back. But all of a sudden in 77-70, it was that Liverpool win European Cups. That's on Gordon's watch. And I think of all the other managers, he was the most affected by events across the park. And I think he always felt that he was just unlucky. I think the sheep's getting cold. There's a great one that I've got at home, a great stale of Everton-Vill in February 1981, where there's Mach-Man, Lachford, and Gordon Leith sitting on the bench, and they've all got massive sheepies on there. That was like the reggae, wasn't it, for the footballing and the sheep's sheep. And then, then it all fell apart. He had gone back to money, it was quite a big thing, even then, for play. That position you don't want to be in, where you've got a group of players, where quite a few of them are entering, they've got one last contract left in them. So he had plays in 28-29, who've got one contract left. Or not happy with their terms. And he ended up being Bob-Benn on strike, which is mad in 79-80. Bob-Benn on strike sitting in the stands, completely fit. Team were playing, Bob-Benn on strike, matching that now. So he fell out with Colin, Todd, Mick, Pedych, Dave, Thomas, all left the club, cos Gordon's man management wasn't that great. And he brought a few people in, he was just waiting, waiting good enough. Then the right was on the wall then, he got lucky with a fake up front in 80, got beat by Westam, Franklin Pats, Colin O'Flegg. That's kind of like the first real memory. No one you can just think back to remember that. There's a backstory to that, which I say in the book. That's another one that Evan Moans, only Evan could say it like a play he scored once every year or something, scores in a FA Cup semi-final against Evan. But there's a little bit more to it than that, you see. Because what happened was, for the second game that he played Alan Jones, Alan Devons, he was a great player, Westam, wide left. Gordon moved John Goodman to play right side of the midfield to block him off. So if you see that Kevin Knack, he was playing that game. Because Billy Wright had moved to fall right back, and Gordon had brought Kevin Knack with him to play centre off. So why did you do that? I think it was a second game, changed your centre defence. If you watch that header, Lampard gets between, I can't remember the other centre, it was Mickey Lyons, Mickey Lyons, I'm not clever, because you've never played together before. So you're playing a second division team, and you're blocking off, you're changing the team to match their centre. Well actually it should be forced. So why you've basically shifted your right back? What's their right back doing? He's popping off in the area to score the winner. And that's the difference between managers who win trophies and don'ts. He was too worried about stopping a second division team playing hard on the win in the game himself. And that was an undercurrent, I think. We're not just with Leia, I think, with Bingham as well. And Gordon said he was unlucky, but a lot of it he just comes to visit himself and said he's self-reflected. Now we get to 81. He didn't feel like you had older me. Well, he acted famously. There's a funny... Gordon had some great comedy moments, didn't he? I think he played... There's a famous one where he played Duc Lla Praag in the UEFA Cup, and Gordon said to the press man, he'd been thrown against Duc Lla Praag, but the game's not in Prague, it's in a place called Prague. No, no, Gordon. It's the same place. Well, that's semi-fat. The game means Liverpool in 81. So, it starts off the season well, but you're much more in the coming, much better. He played some really good stuff, but we're tanking after Christmas, so Gordon's basically his futures on the UEFA Cup run. Beta Arsenal. Gordon's some great. He played Liverpool, and... Eric Harrison. Gordon's in the team talk. Eric Harrison was coach wasn't he? John the talk gives Gordon two match balls, so Gordon takes them in. He's in the team talk. He's going in the match balls. He can hardly go. Gordon's going on the pitch. He's going on the pitch. He's going on the pitch. He's going on the pitch. He's going on the pitch. But it's not funny. Have you gone on on goals? Pise for yourself... I've been in the goal. Bwch is paid out on he's done that game. Bwch is paid out on that.. I love these stuff. He's like my first deal, he was the one because he was referred to. Love it, love it. Ær he's very underrated he's done's, got his back to gold. I think I say in the books that If you did have the turn of pace you would have been an international class because you could read the game really well, you could bring players into it, you could finish it, you just lacked that little bit of pace that you needed at an international level you know. So we beat Liverpool, Clyde Thomas was the referee in that game by the way, beat Southampton, famous game of God's name on the lights. These are the games now where I'm on them now because I'm all on this and Manchester City was the quarter. I don't think I've hopefully not been born if it's very, very fine. Anyway, yeah, but that's right and then so we get to 81, I've got the key game of Leasy, Manchester City quarter final. Two teams in some of the positions, they're completely overshadowed by Man United, we are by Liverpool, they've just got John Bond in. And I remember the quarter final game at Godderson. There's a great line-byte in somebody in the Richard Potter thing that was in Sunday Express. The teams came out like two juggernauts trying to fight for the same lane on the motorway, 70 miles an hour, it was just chaos. And we're winning 2-1 and then the key thing is, Lee constantly went on about this. 50 years after, I remember the intercepts of Backpass and Tate of Backpass, Joe Corrigan, he should have scored, they've had the season, put it in the side net, 2-1. And then I hadn't had enough poor power later on to try it with us equalising right at the right of the city. And then he's gone to all anything and we're not going to get this win. Then he got B3 won it in the main road and that was it. I mean, Philip Carter wasn't one of his finest hours in that. After that game, it's obvious Gordon's going to go. And Carter comes out and says to the press, we're going to be looking at reviewing the manager's position after this defeat. Well, it's quite obvious what's going to happen here. Philip is like, you're going to be sacking him now because he's not going to do anything between now in the next sort of six weeks to keep a job. Just sacking him now. And the worst thing about Gordon, didn't know about it. You know, so the first time Gordon had heard about it was from the press. And so it wasn't one of Carter's. I get the impression that Carter didn't like him. He was very terse. You know, he didn't say like when he left, all thanks to Gordon. He gave service. You know, we were lucky. He got a set, you know, fan or couple of semi-fans or this type of stuff Europe. He was just said he did a good job, but it wasn't good enough. Type stuff. So I got the impression that he didn't really like him. He didn't like him. Well, it didn't get on. Yeah, yeah. That was the undercurrent. But we had the poor end to that season, didn't we? Well, the fella passed after the season. We ended up losing 30 every game. And then it was a low down. So 81. Somewhere 81. That's it. You saw it there. Last chance to lose, isn't it? You know, because get it wrong now. And you could be, almost a day or I say, the Sunday on the Newcastle Sheffield Wednesdays, giant of English football in the past. You were all in lower divisions or whatever, not one anything. You know, for ages. And so he couldn't, he wants to drop some. You know, but the other, if it's when the Wave for Cuff final. The Wave for Cuff final, yeah. And there being an agreement that starts the season that he couldn't poach managers during the season. So there were still three weeks left of the season, man. Disactly. Yeah. So they couldn't get Robson. He was the first choice. And then looking, and there was a couple of people that looked at that. I think Ron Saunders, the fella was one. And then they obviously chose Howard. Seen Howard, yeah. Which was a massive gamble. I mean Howard. Howard had been a Blackburn series. He'd obviously done well. He got them from third to the second division. Missed out on promotion to the top flight on the final day of the 80-81 season. Obviously great play for Evan. One stuff hardly regarded in the game. Still only Howard would be what, 35. Really young. Still playing. Still playing, yeah. And that's what I say in the book. Howard's problem was when he left in 74, he was the best player of the club. When he came back in 81, he was still probably the best player of the club. If you're seeing him that season, come on. Come on. Did he play half a dozen games? Seen, yeah, yeah. It was obviously. I remember that. Again, it's like that first season. I remember, I was like, the manager's playing. I remember that, yeah. And he went and watched out good days. He was brilliant. He'd just sit in that middle of the number six on his back or whatever he had, or whatever. And he'd just pop it off. The little, you know, the hour leg in the next day. And he was brilliant. Won't such stuff. And you were like, he's a hand manager. You know what I'm talking about? And that was actually a good move. So Howard. I mean, we had day one. The biggest thing in the year, like the real most vividest thing in my mind, Alan Barley's chip against Birmingham. Yeah, when he thought Alan Barley was going to be, like, the great... He was going to be the... Not sure if it looked like he was going to be the one that carried us to glory, wasn't it? And it worked out quite badly. Yeah. So Howard... I'm not going to go to the magnificent seven people in the last story and you know that, but he Barley was the ancestor one. He was an example of Howard had a nasty edge as a manager, which is for all the shows he'd have either done champagne and, you know, had a show that I love Howard and stuff like this, you know, good for a laugh and all this. He did have quite a nasty streak with players on occasions, sometimes unjustified. I think he... He put Billy Wright out to dry, you know, over the fitness thing. He didn't have to tell the press that he was overweight. He could have just said he's being dropped for discipline. But soon as he said he's overweight, then he's on again. Yeah. So that's the end of the story. End of the day, yeah. He was all right for the time, Billy Wright. Yeah, yeah. And Barley was another one. He bought him and paid big money, 300,000. He was another one. Howard, he'd come to Godderson and Howard said, he'd go there every second game, you know, record. Well, Howard, that's in the second division. Yeah. He'd only played, like, seven or eight matches in the top flight, I think, for Darry. So Howard was buying players at the time. I think that if Blackburn had been promoted to the top flight, he'd bought them for Blackburn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But buying players for everything is a completely different thing. And I think the players he bought early on were very much, like, just the same level or even worse than what he had inherited, you know. And Barley was one of them. And he played at Arsenal in the league and Alan wasn't very good. And Howard absolutely rocked them on the coach. We were in front of the players quite badly. And the dressing room and told the press afterwards. He said, he said, he said told the press afterwards, Alan Barley was not up to scratch. If we could substitute them, I would have done, you know. Rolled them on the coach and Alan Barley was in tears. You know, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think, so Howard did for all those... Other people's shots. Yeah. But I think, as I said, I think there's a difference between ruthless and nasty. Okay, yeah. So we had that. And I think Howard on occasions, I think he had his career. I think as his career developed, he saw some good experience and confidence. But I think early on he could actually overdo it a little bit. And I think he did it with, saying with Billy Rythan, with Alan Barley, where he was a little bit too much. And so you get that. Barley went. No, he didn't. He didn't last the season. He didn't. Mickey Thomas was another one. How many games, 11? 11 games. And Mickey Thomas, he got from Man United. And Howard was quite right on this occasion. He said, I don't want to play in those years in Newcastle. Now I said, well, you know, you don't choose when you play off, mate. Off you go, yeah. And he was a big deal then. Yeah. 400,000. Yeah. And so you get that. You have five golf aches, didn't you? Five, yeah, yeah. I talk about the size of his feet famously. The size of six was it? Yeah, it's something like that. He talked about that on the book. I mean, the best three were like Neff and Jim Arnold. Jim Arnold. Mick Walsh was decent as well. And Walsh was the last chance at basketball. But I think Neff was the one that people remember. So therefore not really there for Howard. I think by the time he got to the winter of 81. And so what happens then, you get this extraordinary thing where the deserved team with the stars of the season is the first team by the January. Right school, the Regis, you know, the start of 81, 82. I still got some of the team sheet tonight, like South or Higgins, Rackleff, Stevens, Richardson, Sharp, Irving, Machman, all playing for the reserves. All my Regis, yeah. He was playing the January. That is the first team. There in the first scene, yeah. You know. And so I think he got... How we could deal with that now, goff? Yeah. Howard was lucky. Yeah. Brian Glanville from the Sunday Times always used to say Howard was a lucky manager. And I think he was there because if he didn't have those talents and let's face it, they all became part of the best team when you were a five or six of them four or five years later. By the middle of the first season, Howard's probably gone. Yeah. You know. Both people say the same about Alex Ferguson. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Class of 1992. Well, he was lucky. He'd obviously got United into a good place, but that's where he was lucky. Yeah, yeah. Now with Howard, you'd like that. Harry had the same thing. You know, look at the people I came to, the new system at Belfield in the mid-60s. You know. Tommy Rai Gioro, Colin Ari. Yeah, yeah. People like that. John East. So Howard was lucky. So then he sort of did well. Ended up finishing seventh and sharp. He'd had a good season. Yeah. He remembers first season. Done really well. Well, it's second season, the first four seasons against him. Wally against him, yeah. So when I spoke to him, I was like, obviously the Tottenham Wally. It was incredible. The one ones though. But it's Wally against Lee. We beat Leeds at home in the night game. And he scored the ball at the back of the season. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. None of it was televised. And he was. The Spades games televised. Yeah. But the Leeds game wasn't. And he scored against Forrest as well. He was Forrest in the night game 2-1. Two goals. Last minute. I love this. 81-82. And you've had a thing. I kid you. It's great. All of this is really like, when you're talking, I'm going on, sat in a low bull and it's my dad, my brother. It's great. And so the most promised again, you could say, how was the final game? The final game, we drew one moment, was it all. I was in the street. It was the first game I'd gone. With me mate some school. Me dad allowed me to go. 46. 46. Penny Lane. All the way down. We were sat, we were stood on right in the front of the street. And then there go Lee. Paul Bradshaw. Big term to me Paul Bradshaw. Big term to me Paul Bradshaw. Someone put up a sheep and a handbag on the things for him. And he'd given him stick because he had a long hair. He was great. But he still scored a two. I think Melly if she equalised for them. All right, okay. I'll give you one more. These status and football. No, this is just literally from that game. I can't put, I remember, because that was one, that was the, I can't remember, that was the, in fact, whatever. I went every first season, I've probably gone to every game, eight to one, eight to two, for a number of reasons. I had the paper around, I think it was the old joke. But I remember, that was the, and so we finished the season on a high, finished seventh to eight. How was Siann's after his first wanted make, bought into you in the, in the January? Yeah. In a, in a, one then little sliding door moments where I deal for Michael Robinson from blank and fell through. Right. So we supposed to sign Michael Robinson. He didn't. So we had the money, so we bought into you. It was funny, isn't it? My favourite player. It's my favourite player as well, by the way, I love into you. Yeah. And so we bought into you, then you bought Kevin Shea in the summer. So all of a sudden you can see it. You can see it. And then the following year we were playing at Liverpool, but one of the things that Howard is that he is defensive, defensive is always very sound. So I mean, a Blackburn, I think, 100 league, I think he conceded 63 goals in 88 league matches, but only scored 100. No. So if you think how good, you get to, nearly two promotions I was scoring a goal of the game. Yeah. That means you defences. Great. And that's the thing that people have forgotten Howard's first three or four years and when he was really struggling in 83 was nobody complains about the defence. Yeah, it was. Defensively it was pretty sound. We very rarely got a pace. I know the 5-0 game we got a pace. But that's season. Down for 10-0. The 5-0 season. Yeah. 82-83 wasn't it? I think it was 82-83. We started off, we'd be filler 5-0. We'd spares and filler in the week. You were a pin champions filler? Filler. We'd beat them 5-0 seed. He's scored. I want to remember again another game. Yeah. And he'd spares. He won. And then he'd fly in and then he'd get beat in Otter County. Which was for Howard's sort of fair. Every time you've had a progress we did some for stupid. Yeah, yeah. But 80, there was a turning point actually where he dropped Billy Wright. Yeah. He was left then with the decision that he'd replace. And that's the first time when Mackleiff and Higgins played centre defence. And they were a really good partnership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And from then on Howard's teams would go to some of the next five years and he considered that there's less than the goal of the game. Yeah, incredible. You know. And all of that came from Billy Wright. He really... He'd never bought Kevin Sheedy if he hadn't sold Mickey Thomas. Because Mickey Thomas played left midfield. He was left mid, yeah. So he was quite lucky. The two big decisions he made selling Mickey Thomas, dropping Billy Wright to be overweight, he actually benefited from them in the long term because he got Kevin Sheedy and he got Kevin Lackleiff then playing centre defence. The latters coming to the left back. Yeah, yeah. And he never looked to be fair like Kevin. You know. He says himself though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden Higgins and Lackleiff looked apart. So he finished the season really well again. I mean that was the thing with Howard. He always finished the seasons really well. If you have a look at the first three campaigns last seven day games always went six or seven. Do you see a sign for the future when you play Man United in the FA Cup quarter-final, Mart 83? Stapleton. Yeah, like 93rd. Men and McCarty. He played really well again. And you can see then this team's going places if you get it. And the 0-0 on the field as well. Yeah, following. Yeah. Well the team at the time was never less. Of course they both all suffered on the field. You know. Just didn't look like it. He looked about 60. Yeah. Because of his hair and his hair. Well he was a building accountant. That was it. Something like a familiarised himself with it. But yeah, he was 30, 31. But he was good on it. He was decent keeper. And then we got to, you know, 83. You've got, you know, we ended up finished seventh. Yeah. And then you can see, you know, you've got sharpening heat of being and to play well off front. Kevin is, Kevin just looked quality from the moment. He just walked in, didn't he? He just walked in, didn't he? The thing with, see if he was. Richard was well, Kevin. Well, I love Richard. Fantastic player. He, when he played, the bit of the pitch opened up. He just looked a lot wider, didn't he? Yeah. And Richard was, Richard was, he was left out of the book. And he'd obviously bought me by 82, 83. He wasn't getting a game. No. I always say that Richardson's like, sort of like the George Harrison to Reid and Bracewell's Levin McCartney. You know what I mean? Yeah. But Richard was a great player in his own right. So it was him and Machman in the middle. 83. Ni ar un i by, and I hadn't failed six years later. That's not for a title. No, that's not for Liverpool, you know? Richard was a great... Fantastic. I think so. You see documentaries and say utility players that, no Richard was a good enough player. So he was just a good player. It was just that sadly for him, we had to start playing, you were better. But he was a far better player when he left. If you think about it, 10 years after he left, he was lifting a League Cup with Villeau, that Wembley. He should never have been there, actually. Yeah. A beth yma yn fwy o dddoch chi ddim yn coulwch. Fyddai'n cael ei ffnwyr a'i cael rhan oherwydd yng ngynllun. Enw yr 90 ystafell. A wnaith yn ni gynllun. 1986-1987. Wrath o fewn i ddim yn chionesi, is 83,4 ydy'r crasgwn haf mewn yng ngynyddoch yn gallu trefyeario. Ddi'r rhai-der maker, mae'n rhai-derach yn yng nghymoedd. A'r ddawn yn y llaw ar ddi. Yn y blaen hyn, yna'r rhai-derach. Fyrdd ychydig, ac rwy'n meddwl i'n meddylio i ddweud peirion dweud i ddylchol. Rwy'n meddwl, ac i ddweud, a wedi'u amu'n gwneud i bod cofieinbeidio cael sideddiad. Dyna erbyn amser ond, a byddai'n beth sy'n gollio. I ddweud y teimlo'r cysylltu arall yn rwy'n cywir. Ar y bydd yna, eich eu cyfrifio'n faesau, mae hefyd yn cael ei ddweud, a'r cysylltu'n amser i weld. Rydym i'n應該 Llywodraeth. Byddai'n gwybod — byddai'n gwybod — i'n gwybod atgymwys ein sgwyl. Rwb dneud am y rhan, ac erbyn y blaen. Rwy'n amladau a multodau oherwydd y teimlo oherwydd oherwydd yma'n gwneud. Yn ni i ddim yn ymwys pharmacoladau. A byddai'n gwybod yn y rhan, ac opwy'r Lleingenhawdd. Mae'n 19 y maen i'r aghoriff o'r llei. Rwy'n gwasanaeth y g או. Rwy'n gwneud 20 y pleid. Dawdodd ac pan ei wedi'i gilydd. Felly a byddai ran o bobl yn gweithio'n gweithio a chi'. Pelfygor, mwyaf am gyda'n gweithio'n ymlaen. Mae'r ddivog. Enw'r ddifog galle i nesaf ydym chi'n mynd o'r amguedau. Os yw i'r cefferdd yn ffasiv ac bob yw'r bob yn elu. Peisley ydydai, meddwl y byddai yn adnodd Follow Mewn. Rwy'n gweithi'n gweithio'n amddai'n methu hwnna. I ddim o'r ffordd yw'r ddechrau yn ymellordeb. Rydym yn ei bwysbeth efallai, ond mae'n meddwl y gweithio. Mynd yw'r ffordd yn ymellodillog, yn 1983-1984, mae'n eu bod yn teimlo i ddim ynnoedd ymlaenedd. Fel yw'r gwnaed y tîm, pan mae wir yn llwy o ddim yn dda. Ac mae'n gwaith ymlaen. Rwy'n cael ei fod yn gystyn llwy o'r oedd y mynd i chi. that was the big game o ECilliw. Getten beat 1-0, a 10 min left. We had the cola fronthicioard to Chesterfield in Lee on the left wing side. You've said you've got one of班io креп in any case. I've almost had a few left. – Someone just passing them that. – 5-10 min left. Peter E comes on, too-booame, as you called. Insure scores and Sh during incomplete. – Incher. Ff front o 9000 yna i'r spectator yn cliw'r narself. Yn y street ar y poch ar y peth. Mae ddyn nhw'n twch yn y bydd y bwrdd. Felly mae'r cofyddiadau yn ysgol, mae'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw. Mae'n barat o'r cysylltu, mae'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw. Mae'n greu cwm yn ddyn nhw. Mae'n greu cwm, boi'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw. Fe ffordd ch 분� yn y mlynedd, mae'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw, mae'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw. Mae'n tirosio goref a chrys'MUS. Mae'n gyfamogu hwn i cyntaf. Mae'n tu roeddu 21 o'n gwrs. Mae'n tu roeddu 21 o'n gwrs. Mae'n tu roeddu 21 o'n gwrs. Mae'r iechyd yn ei gyfêmogu. Felly ar y dugfant, mae'n gallu myfyaeth. Chlyw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw. Getwaith am wedi gael wybod yma. Mae gafodd, llarnodd a ddefnydd. Dylunio'r ddweud, mae gennych yn dweud. Ac rym ni'n rhaid yn gweithio eu c ti sydd yn cael ei amser. Dwi'n cael ei gwn yma sy'n maes i maes ei wasgwr companies. Ac rym ni'n gweithio eich bod yn cael ei bod yn ei gweithio. Rym ni'n gweithio eich bod yn cael ei dweithio. Rym ni wedi gwellio eu llanysu i gael ei bod yn cael ei dweithio. Ond mae'n ddod i dim yn gweithio. Um, a'was gwaith cwmpfyrtu nad dwi'n deillio'n rhoi'n gilydd eu gwahodd fathaf hynny'n gilydd arall, mae hwn o'n ddau hynny'n genna'i arddangos eich awdd, mae'n gilydd ar hyn o'r chweithio'n gwahodd yma gysyllt oherwydd yw'r awdd. Mae hyn fyddai'r gwellig, mae hyn yn falch hopor am ddisgu. Mae rondi yma yn gyd, a fi'n ddau, aeth wydd'n llwyn eu ddiwr. I remember that, Andy King a Béadraeth yn I Lord King, he was right behind us and the stand and go and he was going obviously, we were like that. I felt sorry for King, he played and played a few names and just that he was getting good he got a bad injury for him, he was a sunderland when he was doing really well. I think he done us crucial and he beat Stoke in the famous Oxford game. ond hollwch am ystafell. Ac mae'n un bwysig ar y cael eu lleoedd, yn ffraith gwaith, a'r gwleidydd mewn gwirionedd, mae'n gwirionedd. Mae'n gwirionedd, mae'n gwirionedd, mae'n gwirionedd, Ond o'r hollwch o'r hollwch ac mae'n gwirionedd a'r hollwch o'n gwirionedd a'r hollwch o'r hollwch o'r hollwch ac mae'n gwirionedd, mae'n gwirionedd. Ffisco'r ddechrau, byddwch yn wneud Ac roi felly'n argymell ar hyn y dyfodol, gan efallai y mae nhw. Roedd ydw i wedi'u cyd-gaith. Ac yn meddwl iechyd yn ei wneud". Felly mae'r bhwysbeth yn gallu'r rôl o'r cyfion. Mio'n meddwl. Mae'n meddwl i fi. Mae'r meddwl iawn yn meddwl. Fe o'n meddwl i'r meddwl. Mae'r meddwl i fewn o'n meddwl i'r meddwl i'r meddwl i iechydol i ni'n meddwl i tan hon nhw. Dwi wedi gwneud i'n gwybod. Felly mae arnyn i'n gweld i'n gwybod. Felly mae wedi Gael i'r ffans. Rwy'n ei gilydd gan y Pwysigol. Felly mae'n gwaith arall i hynny o'n gweld i'n gweld i hynna. Y bêrddol fod yn gyntaf. Mae'n gwaith gwnaeth y gwn i'n rhoi'n byw'r gwybod a'i gael y gwybod ym yn rhan i'r gwein. Mae'n gweithio'r hefyd i ymddechrau. Rwy'n amlwg y tîm ni o'n fath o'r Cyflau 70-rhyw oedd y cwmaint yn fath o'r Cyflau 70-rhyw. Dwi'n gweithio bod rhywbeth yn fwyeth. Ers i, fel dw i rhai nôl ei ddechrau. Felly oedd yma am y gallai am iawn yma, gan yw'n gweithio ar weithio, ond fydd gennym Ffinnistr Lleig. Ac mae'r dros, mae'r dros 12 yn angen i rywetaeth. Mae ymdd singerio. Yna'r dweud, yw'r hawddai yn gwneud hynny. Felly'r hunau eich arddangos. Rydw i yn ni'n ddim. Oet, mae'r gweithio i am f excel o ran y Llorws a'r Y Lleig 4 m-83-84. Ond wedi cael hyffordd gan gael o hollwyr a'r glas o'r main fel yma mae'r gwneud sefydlach a'r meddwl i fynd i'r gyfleidio. Mae'r llun o'r llun i fynd, fyddwn i'r hyn yn fwyrobog. Mae yna bell hwn ar gŵr. Mae'r llun i gyd i'r chynllun cymryd. Mae'n rhaid i'r gyfle i'r g練, sydd ti'n gallu ei weld i'r llun i ti'r llun i gynnwyr. Mae gylwf yn fawr. Derech chi gweithio fwy ac mae'n gofio gwyllfa, fyddwch chi'n gweithio i gael gweithio, iddyn ni'n da felly ddefnyddio'n gofio'n gweithio. Mae'n gwylltio, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n ymlaenion olygu fleet o nadd었어요, mae'n gwyllwch. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio o'r ddifynol. Yna'r hollis, ymlaenio'n gwisig o'r ddufffio mewn ymlaen, Iwn ni'n itr y waith y sîr i'n stuf yn – – Gag yn presion, a meist fel yn Arfi Broodau. – Ia, ia. – Mae'n awfysi nhw'n rhaid fwy o amdeithasol arall. – Felly, fe fyddwn ni'n ddau i'n bywwch. – Ia, a'n rhaid i'n fwy o. Fyddwn ni'n fwy o'r ffordd o ddweud i'r fanbydd. Ond oes o'n 2,84,5, mae'n rhaid i'r rhaid i'r ffordd i'r ddweud, mae'n ddweud i'r ffordd. Os ydych chi'n gwybod, mae'n credu'r hyn o'n 5nil. Yn y gwaith, yn y dwylo'i ddweud yn 5nil, mae'n cael ei gwybodaeth yn gwelwch gwaith i'r llei. A'n 5 effaith yn yma. Mae'n cael ddweud i'r llei, mae'n ddweud i'r llei, mae'n ddweud i'r llei, mae'n ddweud i'r lei. Mae'r ysgol yn y llwyth arall, mae'n ddweud ychwaneg. Mae'n gweithio i'r llei, mae'n ddweud i'r llwyth. Rice is not easy to watch, some would say. When you get the 84.85 on top of the league, is it even no stars? I think it was probably right. Spears, Manny and I, we probably played a bit more fflad, a bit more tech and that kind of stuff. But we were hugely effective. We could play when we wanted to, but Howard just wanted the title. I don't think he cared how he won the title. ..yn 84-85? You can now? No, no, no. I think he just wanted to win the title. I think we got criticised in some courses for basically maybe not even making the most of the probability. Especially away from home. If you look at that, 12 away wins that season. 10 of them by the odd goal. We never went away from home. We never destroyed teams. No, no, not really. We should have done because we did that all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wrath ni'n ddigonio, maent rhagwedda chi'n sgwyddi o'ch bywch ar y brwrth ddweud, rwy'n gweithio, a dwi'n gweithio, ei ddarwng yn ardu'r ddweud. Rwy'n gweithio'n gweithio ar yr ardalol, dwi'n gweithio'n gweithio ar hynny. Ond astudio'n gweithio'n gweithio, ond mig nid oed yn rhywbeth. Fe a arriveu am ystau Tamsyn 2 1, fe oedd yn cerddio i'r Nälau 70? Ym April 8, wrth gweithio'n Rhylchau Papa 12. ac rwy'n edrych ar y cyflwyniadau i gyrnodd, gan gael y cyflwyniadau a'r fathau. Rwy'n rŵn wedi ei heb o'r ddegi'r blaid, ac yn ddydd yn dechrau i'r bobl yn gynghoriwn gyda'r braw. Wrth ei fod yn fathau yn cynhargyllu. Gallech i chi fod yn ddi, ac ydych yn rhaid i gyd, crede hwnna, Ond dydog mae'r gyntaf yn ystafell. Yn amlwg nad oeddech chi wedi'i babi'n gwneud yn eich gwirionedd yn 5nil. Mae'r wir yn 4nil i 5nil i'm. We were playing against Russia. Newcastle the January for Nellif. It was sublime. Sublime you know. Bu'r aryth ath was a team that was really resilient. Really fit, but worked really hard. I think saying that, reading Bricewall, and usually for a midfield pair, it's quite alike. I think there was just like that. a gynnyddwch hefyd, fel oedd yn ddweud. Yn ddweud sy'n dweud, y gallwn cael ei bod yn gweithio'r pason yn ddefnyddio'r peth a'n ei ddweud, mae'r ddechrau'r pason yn ddim yn ddweud. Ond oes wych yn ddweud, gofyn, ym ychydig, nhw'n ddweud oherwydd fydd oed, ac mae'n ddweud, felly, mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'n ddechrau. Ydw ydw i'n ddechrau. Yn ddweud, mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud, Mae'ch marn was to a wyl disciplined. I'd leave gaps. I'd leave gaps. He'd go wandering around the pitch. He was a bit too strong at that stage in his career. But the baseball was a bit cooler. I think, him and Reid, though they had differences, the way they were alike, that really benefited us, the way that gave him proper pressure, enabled us to do that. We also sharpened in sheet before he was injured. Best player in the country when he got injured. He wasn't by far. He was just fantastic. When he got injured, he was the best outfielder I've seen play for 11 years. He was just the adeb. He was only small, obviously. He got such a goal in him. The goal, he could... He could sense him a field. He came to the club. He wanted to play midfield. That's where he'd fallen out at Stoke. He wanted him to play up front with Lee Chapman. He said he didn't want to play midfield. In sheet, like all the best players, he had a real nasty streak. He could leave us 14 in sheet. He dathled at me sharp. I think in sheet, he was a bit smaller than Stoke. He was really skillful player. He had a baby face, but in sheet he could be nasty. It's injury. When he got injured in 84, I was thinking, I don't want to be the one player on the team. He didn't want to be the last. He forced me for a shot and he deserved it. I think he maybe... He'd looked at the gate of the switch to the place in sheet, but the gate was not wide. He was 27. I think Howard probably wanted Leonard. I think he... I didn't say in the book, but maybe later on. I think he made the story for later. I think he made one wanted Leonard that season. But Grey came in and was doing really well. Andy gave us that experience and know-how and will to win and stuff. That was vital. So we saw the change. He's still 84-5. I always think about it as two different teams. The team with Incheon. Andy Grey. I'd always say, I don't want to be one of the teams with Incheon. Do you think they play a bit more football in the first half of the season? He looked back dead fondy, but the second half, we were relentless in the second half. Obviously Lester away was a huge one. We didn't have a shot. Heath obviously and we had Stephen up front with Andy Grey. It's evidently that was the best out of the board. The club was me. He was just there. When you're at him, you've got Sheedy, Gary Stevens, and Grace and Grey. That was the good thing. They're sitting in and out. There were some good partnerships there. I say about Stephen Stevens. How he'd never played wingers did he? I mean, Sheedy wasn't a winger obviously. He didn't have the pace and stuff. Though he did have pace, he wasn't really a winger. He was more a right side in midfield. He played wards, didn't he? I think like him and Stevens, complementary to the grace. I think because Stevens was so physical, he could get up and down. I think if he did that like a, he'd never had both. He'd had like a mercurial winger. I don't think it would have worked out. I think it would have been the same. But Stephen, because Stephen would get up and down. Again, it's an important pitch. Place with the same characteristics. Made us twice as effective. Like reading Bracewell, Stephen and Sheedy did the same. Stephen and Stevens did the same. And then you had the same with Grey and Shaft, didn't you? Of front. In the big games, say Bayern Munich, you had twice the firepower of front for what you wanted to do. And that helped. And I think, after it became very much, I won't say seppi, but if you see a lot of the big goals in 85 onwards, away from home, a lot of them from seppices. Yeah, yeah. Both spares away was what an exception wasn't it? Yeah, but they were mistakes. But you know what I say about capitalising on mistakes? Both came from mistakes, didn't you? I mean, that's my favourite, haven't you? Oh yeah, yeah. The save by that. We were brilliant man. Do it, do it. And I think that said same in old stars, I think we were second half team as well. If you have a look at those, all them big games from February onwards, all our goals are scored in the second half. Bayern Munich, Raffa Vienna, Luton. Luton. The semi-final. Even Ipswit, that. Fortuna Sithard, all second half. They're all second half, because don't give anything away in the first half and then kick on in the second half. And we were really good at going from 0-0 to 3-0 really quickly. Quickly, yeah. Or 2-0, you know. That was the strength of the team, it's ruthless. Wathford was another one. Wathford was one four. They laughed at 60 minutes. So very much the second half team, because don't run the first half and then the second half. Just kick on a little bit. And when you've got them like that, keep your hands down, the ropes, that's why they were a great team. But yeah, that weekend, and I think he's just alluded to it there, that week I think when team in old stars, but I think when it's the day you've not been to a league game, I've auditioned all season, even though we've been top of the league for most of the campaign. Decided to come the first Saturday in April, we played something on a win fair, 4-1, three fantastic goals. And then we showed, Spears we showed we had a great team, resilient, two championship style. Someone showed that within the team, there was real quality. Real championship quality. Individual quality in the team. Both were great headers, they did Bracewell link-up for the first goal, and then Bracewell to Steven. I mean, that's top, top. Individual quality. Folly a pass on his face, which is incredible. And I think obviously seeing the only other time matter that they've been during the season was obviously they haven't seen you twice, taking three hits. So by April 1985 you got that, the nationally the view of the team had changed. The team are no stars, but actually these are top class. Then we reached the semi-finals against Luton, where we like all the best teams you find the way to win, because we were absolutely, yeah, we were terrible at that. I think after Christmas 84, they were the only team, I think, that gave us any trouble. Saltwell made three brilliant saves, in that. Oh, yeah, the one where he gets down to his left, and he gets there, yeah. Oh, I don't know how he saves his brilliant saves. And then, so, he got through. I mean, I think she of these three kickers wasn't his best one, but it was just I think it hit Brian Steen, didn't it? I think it clicked off Brian Steen, but you can't talk about that. But when he comes to Sheffield Wednesday, another game match of the day, and they say in the book, if you watch the video of that game on YouTube, it's quite rare that you've got a camera as the players come out of the dressing room, and you see the players coming out, and you think, don't fancy playing me, you wouldn't fancy playing this lot today, looking at them, you're thinking, they're out, they look it, they look it, you know, and we showed that in Hillsborough. Play Wednesday off the park for 20 minutes. Absolutely different class to a really tough game. And then, the five minutes before half-time, the famous save from Viradi, won't it? Yeah, Viradi. And then from the corner, they've made that other brilliant save off the other, then Brian Mawr, that's the underside of the bar, and we can see the six corners in 90 seconds and survived. And I remember David Lacey sadly departed the other week, did the Guardian Football Writers fantastic, you know, said something like the lines of, you know, they showed where they are, where they are, and they did so on their own goal line, because we basically spent like two minutes, just camped in our six-year box, you know, and that was that summed us up, survived the bar wash, went on one nail, killed the game second half, and then you got QPR, which is great. Yeah, which is still one of my favourite games, I loved that. I loved the end of that game. You know, when the players got me, I made the point in it, in the book, that I hate laps of honour now, because it was not us, but there's families and kids and family dog on the pitch, you know, since when it's been about then. Yeah, now I know. You know, if you watch that, then it's about basically it is, you've got a poshig cameras, photographers, the team going down, a few of the coaching staff, that's it. That's all it should be. It should be family, doing the cleaner and stuff like that. Everyone really smokes it. It's not about then. They don't play every week, and I just think that's nonsense now, you know. I just think, you know, I wouldn't mind if that happens to Godson, obviously, but when you watch, I love that two or three minutes, watching it going on the pitch. Yeah, it's just there's a real togetherness that I think that is quite rare, you know. And I always like cameras, where the cameras, where there's cameras, you can see cameras watching the players, you know, like you saw us observing as a neutral, and that was a fabulous, fabulous day. As I've said many times since I woke up at six o'clock in the morning in the field with the fire extinguisher for company, you know. It was a good night. Yeah, it was a good night. But we'd wanted to show it. Yeah. I remember that night, because I was sitting on the table, having a pint, just thinking, and thinking, obviously a little bit older than yourself, I'd watch Liverpool, and the title obviously, I always knew that David would be the guy that was the best team that everybody wanted to beat them, and they were like, you know, and quite rightly so, and then we're thinking that, then, to suck me where the best team is. That's us now, and I can still visualise myself to staring into my pint, thinking, that's not us. I bounced into school, and all the stick I've sucked. Yeah, yeah. And they couldn't say anything with the champions? Yeah, absolutely, and the story. I wanted to buy my, we've had the record breakers of that time, the most points, the most points that anyone has won it by. Yeah, and we stopped in, we lost a couple of games. There's a fun fact about that season, which is, in all the seasons, that the top fight was 22 teams, which was from 1919 to 1994. Only twice did one team beat all the other teams in the division, at least once. Ever since 1984-85, the other time it happened, in 1969-70. Only two times it happened where one club beat all the other clubs in the division that season, and it never happened twice. And, yeah, yeah. And, so we had that satisfaction. There's quite a long bit, I'd say, how we talked about it quite a length. How he'd done it as a player and walk around the pitch as a player, now he's watching the players and the satisfaction. Quite, quite emotional. Philip Carter's wife, she was crying in the directors' box. You see, you know. And John Mars, John Moore's, he's obviously, you know, he thought he'd never see her again, you know, and it's just fabulous to hear that. And then obviously, we go to the Rostadam, and then that was just, you know, and he was fantastic, really. Yeah, I mean, against the second half team, you know, don't go. It was the oldest lad in the first half. Oh, it was on the side. But second half, we just, even when they went hands crankles, we just kick off and go down. That was the message of the team. You know, any sort of track, we'll just snuff them out. That one that's been on social media a lot lately, from the Howard's Way film, we have about 40 odd passers, it's massive, you know, but it would have been the great, like one of the greatest goals ever, without a template. I'll feel pleased. I mean, I was at Rostadam, and it was great. And so, there's a nice stat in the book. In terms of winning the domestic double, and winning the European Sophie, there's only been two occasions when an English club has gone into a third, one two of them have gone into a third game leading to a third. That was Man United, 99, won the European Cup, and us, in 85. So we've won two of them, we've got to do the double. I talk about the United game, but I say, they were a good team, United. I think the difference, that game, the early games at United, was obviously beating them in the middle club, three days after the other one. I'm sure they won at Old Stafford, and they had the option of white side in the middle. Was it, yeah? It's like I missed a pen early on in that one. Yeah, at Old Stafford, yeah. And I think that, they were both, obviously, top-class players. And I think it also, Atkinson also played quite a high line, cos he said he didn't want the whole game with Sharp and Grey with standing underneath the United bar. He wanted to keep Evan as far away from the goal as possible. Does he need a Sharp and Grey when he's going to run them? Yeah, yeah. And I think Atkinson was, I like it on, and he gets, I think he's underestimated, he's obviously got a certain image, but I think, he was far better managing people, but he was particularly good managing on one-off games, one-off big games. He had a good record at Wembley, see his record against Liverpool, and I think he worked out, he played against Paul McGrath, and I think he, but obviously, the Bayern Munich game, and he put McGrath and Stapleton on the post-Roll corners and threw in, you know, because I think he thought that's where the threat is. And I watched the game again, as part of my research, and there were 90 minutes on there, 120 minutes, I won't get back. I'm like a lot of them games, even the best teams, as I say in the book, they're just like gold, he was just booting it to me. We just looked flat that day, we just looked knackered. I didn't say in the book, but I think I think they made a mistake. I don't think they saw the combats of Macy's eyes on Rotterdam. He's just gone to London, just to keep the next bit of travelling on. I think he's flying home on the night, then you've got a long coach here. I think give themselves a bit of breath. I think if they stayed in Rotterdam and flown over to it, and stayed on the stage, that would have been wonderful. I don't... shall we say, you would have been able to monitor the players better. I'm sure they were fully prepared for the cut fine, but even just stopping that to Macy, any bit of recovery, we had the post, read it to the outside, the first half, I think they're going to send an off change things as well. Staple some bits back to centre half. But you know how to carry on playing, a tach yn ffwrdd, we've left three off front you say, because in 83 mil cwffan against Liverpool, I can simple everybody back into the defence when they had 10 men, I think 10 men just carry on playing a tach yn ffwrdd, because we were out on our feet I think. I think it's a combination of never that's not never said them so. I think fans are now, you need to show Whiteside's not the fastest in the public, show them on the outside, and I think Neve thinks he's going to do that, so Neve's right by his near post, closest to his near post, thinking that Whiteside's going to go inside, and as that happens, fan now doesn't do that, and he gives the... I was on the top of end obviously very rare, and you're just hoping that, because I was right behind, so I was at the far end, as you hit it, you're just hoping the ball keeps running past the goal, and you just see it, the corner and bounce up, and they just roared on. Horrible. And they were replays in them days, you could have just got the replay. I think they were a good team United. I think they were a good team United. I think it was about... 5 more days rest, I think we debuted them. I know what you're saying, it wasn't like a good play in a post, but I still feel like a few days rest, I think we debuted them. I do think they made the mistake on Battle of the Goat, but I don't finish the season on that sort of, because I talk about... I've talked about 84, 5 seasons, talk about those bats, talk about that. It's one of the most dominant campaigns in football history. When the tight were far games left, when the other pink cup, when the other pink cup, and people say, used to poop here, it's not like the UEFA cup or the other pink cup. See, you're coming this cup that year, Barcelona, Terry Vanables, won the league, they got knocked out, lost 4-1 at the New Campton Mets, Roma, who played Liverpool in the pink cup final, obviously had by Munich, as well as... So there was some, there was close, but they had a pedigree there. I mean, he's the best team in the competition. We were in it? Yeah, we were in it. Exactly, when you look back on that, we were in it, best team in Europe, and that's what I was saying in the book, we were the best team in Europe. In 85, people said, it's fourth. I mean, you've entered one of your pink cup, obviously. They finished sixth, I think, in Saria. You know. So they were, you know, by Munich, won the Bundesliga, but we saw them, a good shot, you know. Barcelona, as I say, they won the league. They got knocked out in the first round of the competition we won. You know, so you're looking at the big piece of your opinion. Football, you think they are, no, we're in it. No, we're in it. By spring 85, as I say, one of the most dominant domestic campaigns of any club in history, going for the treble, and the best team in Europe, and the Sabre. So we done far better than some of the greatest teams ever played in English football. Don Evies Leeds never got anywhere near that. Bob Pais Leeds nearly did in 7-7, but they'd lost, they won two trophies, but they'd lost a cup final. So they were never going for the treble of three trophies like we were. You know, Feggs and Seam did it once. Bobby Robson Seam went after three trophies in 81, but didn't won one. Matt Bullsby, Bill Shankly never got anywhere near it. Got what we did in 84 or 5. And people, that's how good it was. That's how good they were. And people forget that. And that's how it went. You see what that does. Just look at that record, the record of great teams and the great managers. Celebrators being great teams. They didn't get anywhere near it. The team, I felt through the cracks because people don't know what they're doing. Obviously the Howard Swathons brought it back to people's minds. But this football never had. Easily, yeah, easily. Because we'd have won an 86 that would be awesome on penalties. Two best teams in your place. Exactly, exactly. By miles. And we'd have had Linnaker in that. Linnaker was unbelievable. That's for the future there. That's for two years. I was always very... I said when I finished the book that 85 was the way to finish. I said I've got to be in a cup final. What a bummer that is. Finish on that. I think it's got to have a historical piece of the end that says that's a minor blemish. And I think Howard said overseas this is one of the great seasons of anybody in English football history. And this is before the money. Even clubs have had loads of money like City. They've not got into like where they can win three trophies. They've won two minutes there. But we did. That's just an incredible achievement. And obviously within the context of the period. 18 months area Howard was getting sacked. He had a bottom of the league and scored 11 goals in 21 games. So there's that narrative as well. It's been around. Fantasticly. Great to just come for it. I feel like having a future. It's the fact. I'll go and have a pint. And finish. Absolutely brilliant. Get the book. What a Christmas present this can be. A couple of weeks before Christmas. All us blues. Certainly ones who've seen it incredible. But if you want to learn about the history of having football club and do it that way. Why not? Get the book to great time to get it. Where can we get it? All these are places on the internet in the shops. And the book's not just for Chris. Chris was born. I always remember. Money can't buy stuff is still selling as well. You've got to get the two books. As you say. Volume two. And we'll be back in two years. Volume three. Big thanks to Gavin for coming in. So make sure you check it out. We'll see you later.