 All right, I think I'm live gotta get comfortable in my chair. Oh, man Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I was supposed to go live a minute ago Technical getting back to my desk difficulties Good to see all of you here and this is not gonna be too long I actually have to go to try bringing the microphone close for me. It probably sounds better I probably have to go over today have to leave to go to an event today it in the D So we'll be talk. I'll be talking about that event. Maybe next week. There's So many things I need to talk about. I've been so busy lately. I have not done as many Videos as I want so alright See how like some troll goes to the thumbs down before we start. Yes, someone always takes the time to do that Let's see Unplugged cable that happens sometimes. Yep Everyone turn off your webcams. Absolutely. Hello from Poland All right, I Have some Polish ancestry The mostly I think my my great-grandfather was Czechoslovakian so not quite Polish, but We're going to oh I was going to break things All right, well, I need to download things. Let's go ahead and Do some discourse admin. I got all kinds of things. I'm doing on the side here I've been so busy running around doing this doing that. I have someone open to create a ticket Let's see Let's see. Let's see question And you know, this is a little bit longer on five time to read this I certainly can't drag it on the screen because it's part of our ticketing system So someone someone messaged us asking a question for vlog Thursday Okay, someone asked what the best setup is for MSPs this they're asking like when you set up a small businesses are the best practices and Yeah This it's hard because there's not just this question is basically says What are the fundamental features of a small business backups images online file storage and file syncing service version history strong password firewall? And what is the best general setup that is a opinion that you will Get argued forever. What's the best setup? And that's because it comes down to no two people have the same opinion I am using like the enable software and someone yesterday was commenting on me and Jay's video that that we should use some competing Software that that's where these opinions come in honestly so many of these softwares feature for feature are so close to the same It does make doing a determination Not easy and it comes down to which one you're more familiar with because if I said a software is good But you're familiar more so with another one and you end up misconfiguring mishandling or not optimizing that other software that you didn't know as well because you didn't have time to learn it that can be a huge problem There's sometimes stay with a little bit of what you know because there's sometimes when you break it down Like if you're comparing connect-wise to enable versus some of the other platforms out there That are really good platforms and you know people ask me all the time like what do you think of this one or that one or what about Ninja RMM or something I'm like, you know, they all make a good product I know people that are successful with each of these products so that it comes down to what you decide after you start evaluating them and Everyone hates them after they start using them and thinks the grass is greener on the other side so there's not an easy thing out there and I even I don't know if raised directly replying to this But Ray Orsini, you know, he's been on channel before he will be here again. Also check out the tech bar They're doing another one live show tonight. So do check that out where Ray and them but the He it Ray will tell you because Ray's worked in the MSP space. It's there's no easy answer on that What the best tech stack is? Look at what we use on our YouTube channel. Obviously, that's what I think is the best We really like untangle. We really like PF cent souls are two firewalls that we use all the time we really like the Enable stack for doing RMM everything else. I Like we like bit warden for password management. So to me that is Great now when it comes to fully integrated that becomes a little bit different because I we see bit warden is not the same as Passportal and the password manager offered by enable. That's where there's some differences So fully integrated becomes a wild card because fully integrated means you have to use everything that totally integrates And that may not always be the best thing you like I like bit warden because it's open source, but yeah, the other side of it is the I Don't know. There's not an easy answer for any of it. How's that? There's that's the best way I can describe it But yes, there's a patch for discord and so we are going to patch discord We got to get the backup stun so that's at least a Little process before you do the patching. Let's go ahead and run a backup So we're gonna go to settings and I'll probably should share the screen here. You can see my Here, all right now I can do it Let me stop sharing this remove And then we want to share Share, you know, I think I just share this one screen. So we'll just share Entire screen there we go Now you can see how I love this look you can see how I see stream yard I Can chat patch to Yes bit warden does support a enterprise authentication, but whatever you do this first I back up this and then we apply the updates now once the backups done We got a download the backup so which gets emailed to me. So it's gonna take a minute to do right here Also, while we're doing this I need to bring up Raw.io I'm working on a few other things. I I wanted we I got a bug in my head that I had to fix a bunch of things and Rebuild a bunch of things and one of those things I do is you start documenting where all your data is and then you create Datasets, you know in true nas. Where's the data? Then you start replicating it across now This is only local replication anything important also gets off site replication as well And so I'm gonna work on a video on doing this. This is draw.io. I've been using it for a long time It also supports flow animations now, which is really cool But this is the way you can see the way things go back and forth and then there's reasons why most things start here except for this Thing runs this way to this way It's lots of little details that I'm gonna be working on for How we have all over data where all the data gets backed up and everything everything else but this took a little bit of time to get to because I had some legacy encryption so I had to Tear down which means I don't like not having duplicates of all it while triplicate if you count the offset But at minimum I want duplicates of all of my data on separate ends of the building here And different servers that are somewhat isolated from each other because they're not even on the same UPS system So I had all that so that took a little while to rebuild Keep keep another system that I duplicated all the data to delete the one server Rebuild it with all new encryption and now Resync all of it back up. It's not that much data, but so it didn't take too much time But it's just it's time-consuming getting it all done. Ah, cool backups are done Now we go to hit download and the download actually emails me a link So now I downloaded it once I download it then we're gonna go ahead and Run the update for this right here. So go ahead and remove that and we'll put back in some other screen So we'll say share share screen Chrome tab where's it at? Put the chat back up. Whoo So What else what did I miss in the questions here while I'm waiting for that email? Yes bit warden does have enterprise authentication Haven't seen the flow anime the flow animations are really cool when you want to present things I really love that feature So I will show the real quick the how the flow animations work. It is a little bit of confusion To where to find them because they are not where you might expect them to be let me click the download link first So where'd my download link? I can't pull. I'm like you guys can't see into my email Sorry about that. All right. It's downloading now. That's downloading so we can go ahead and share the other screen share screen Yeah, we'll just Do an entire screen again Now the flow animations just so you know you click on one of these It's not in here. I wish they made it a checkbox. Does that make my life easier? Also, I mean actually this is made too big for the other screens. We squeeze this down. There we go. Whoops It the flow animation is a checkbox down here under the properties of Each one of these now. Here's the downside. This is something. I don't like I love the fact that so let's say I was Duplicate a box here. So if I did this box and I want to drag from this box to this box, okay? That's not the right kind of line Because I just opened it, but if we say Like copy style or set as default style now all I do is draw a line here. It's great But setting it as a default style doesn't copy the flow animation you still have to go back in there and actually Check the flow animation box. It's a minor problem, but it's still kind of a dumb one I don't know why copying the style doesn't do it So I maybe I'll file a bug report because it seems like if I hit copy style the flow animation to be in there as well But there's actually a couple other little things you can do in inside of here. One of them is Turn them into like a more comic look So instead of them being just kind of straight it doesn't look as much in here But you'll we start getting closer you realize it. They have like more of a comic flow to them So there's a couple other extra things you can do in here if you want it But I like them like this they become nice when you start talking about things especially in true nests and it Adds a little bit of presentation to the video of art. Here's how all the data goes Here's how all the stuff does and then I might add like all the retention Policies because you set all these up with different retention policies How long do you want to keep these snapshots of this? How long do you want to keep all the replication data? Etc. Etc. So that's that Whoo. All right is the download finished for my backup it is which means I can go back to stop share Chrome tab Hey time to revise my diagrams. Yep Uh Yeah, my hand drawings all look like comics you're right you're right on that what's ought to do so one of the things I need to do is let's Many things open to many things. There we go Drag this I can drag it's over. I Want to update my forums? Have to get update Well to do you still recommend run shunet? No, it is not recommended to run shunas via USB I do not recommend running shunas via USB Yes So this is we can go back to sharing the screen There's these being easier way to do this share screen Yeah, we can just choose a window there we go Now you've seen what I'm seeing We're just updating all the packages on the back end I have unattended upgrades running but the which means it I just have it applying all security updates It'll apply these updates I always like to make sure all the latest updates are done then I reboot it then I make sure my forums come back up But yeah, this is some of the update process on the back end because it doesn't do There's a few updates that didn't do like some of the new kernel stuff So I went ahead and updated it. It's gonna set up the new kernel. I owe it or I'm using container.io Yeah, but do not run it via USB now You see see it used to be popular to run that way because It worked well enough, but over time but oddly I just took a USB out that's been plugged in since 2015 Continuously running on one of my servers. I just never replaced it. So Yeah, I I Need to do this right here if you I it's funny because I know how to do this But I don't have it set up on this computer. I have it set up on my studio computer, but raise right. I should do this Do you uh, you can also install like the virtual webcam? So the virtual webcam or the virtual output from obs will then feed to all the other things You know, it's kind of the fun challenge Like me and ray are not media production people where people who want to produce media So we have to spend a lot of time learning how to get all these tools to work in a coherent way so we can produce content for To talk about what we actually do for a living, but it's fun. It's definitely great fun learning all of this stuff and Ray's still working on some of the resources and videos on it I asked ray to join. Um, he didn't have time. He's he's in the process of uh You know redoing a few things He'll come on again me and ray have we have plans for some more videos coming up Done. All right. If any of you are on my forums, I'm rebooting him So there we go Yeah, more media nerds then more than more production people and it's lots of fun. Yes, absolutely Yeah, it took me to it's it's a whole other thing You have to spend time learning all your media production tools just so I can get it out there at the same time Understanding all the things I do want to talk about firewalls storage servers and everything else So this is back and forth of all the things that we need to put together to make this work So yeah, it's it's a lot, but it's um It's fun. It's just one of those things Yeah, ray ray says he's got a some type of business meeting to go to that doesn't sound fun at all, but Eventually somebody's got to pay the bills, I guess Uh, let's see do my forums reboot cross our fingers Hey, look at this Up for zero minutes All right, so it's I make sure everything starts up and then we'll pop up forums.laurancesystems.com Make sure it's working It is now we can run the other updates from there So click to upgrade I can share that too if you guys want to see what the upgrade looks like It can be done from the command line. I usually do it from the web interface. Um From tab, what is it? Yeah, this is what the screen looks like to where we update things So we're just going to go for first we got to upgrade the docker manager part It's just going to update docker manager while it does this We got to wait for the unicorn to reload Waiting for more unicorns We have a cycling unicorn. Look at this Cycling unicorns Ooh exciting Come on unicorns. Oh, let's see Cool the form the forums is up Um, this is stream yard And uh, I we started using stream yard for a few things Like the podcast interviews and then I said, you know, it's really works well for live stuff I've seen a handful of people using it ray actually uses it for ray with oit boype uses it for their system I really like stream yard. It's been a pretty solid Easy to use system It has separate audio recordings when you do interviews in case you need to have separate inputs for each one of the people on there Um, it's easy for comments It's one of the best ones I've seen to make comments easy to throw up on the screen like that Which is really uh, very cool to me The fact that I can do that Yeah, I had some interest in video work using take backup back in the day before I got an it then started doing some videos to get back into it But then uh, this time non-linear on run a pc much easier. Yeah, it's it's a lot it it's a lot so It's still updating this is So the forums may be down now because it's updating. I don't know if it stays up all this is at some point It will go down because it's gotta flip over to um this upgrade I should put a faster server in for my forums than the upgrade to go faster, right? but planning on storage and everything else is definitely one of the topics I'll talk about the other challenges of dealing with Um, some of the other tune asks, you know what I don't have Let me pull this up Because this might be interesting too This should be the right link. I may have to run some of the benchmarks again crap I'm missing the other benchmark Where did it go? That's not good Well, then I'm missing the other benchmarks. That's going to share Whoops Well, we'll sort that out another time. I guess I uh Have you looked at ovh for your forums? Why ovh for what what's ovh? I don't know what ovh is I use discourse for my forums So And you can see it's just kind of you know rocking out over here I was going to do This Let me drag it and share a different tab Yeah, I thought I had both benchmarks in here But I'm going to do some videos because There's a lot of questions that come up with how you lay out 60 drives So I'm going to do a video of laying out 60 drives and the pros and cons. I have a series of benchmarks I'm missing some of them though. I don't know where they went I don't know where I saved them. I should say But there's going to be some videos of breakdown the pros and cons of laying out vdevs in different ways I'll do some more graphics with draw it out explain that But it's it's going to be just one of those There's you don't put them in one big pool But you don't want to break them down into too many small pools Then there's always some person recommending to put them all in a bunch of pairs But that comes way at the sacrifice of all the storage So you there are ways to make it faster, but then you sacrifice all the storage you have there for it It's not ideal unless your only goal with speed not storage So there's a lot of different ways to think about it and I'll break down what all the different iops are Uh in each one One more update click here to upgrade There we go All right one more upgrade in that so that's kicked off All right, I'll stop sharing screen share If you want to see where it's at now we go back over to the Start upgrading. This is the second part of the upgrade. You got to kind of do things twice on there. So Is it possible to configure discourse you discord I like all the logins because it's easier to control. I I don't know if what other what oauth is supported So let's google that together. So while that's doing this, um I don't know. Let's see Authorize token Uh, let the look I don't know how to take I don't like using other Third party integrations for it For access token So let's see just kind of keeps discourse Try to see what if they have a list of external authentication I'm not sure which ones they support There's different plugins you can get for it essentially But I it comes down to you know what you want to do on there. It's like I prefer to have each person create their own granted. Yes That's one of the problems, of course is then you have one more to manage But that's what password managers are for the downside is especially if you do something like a third party authorization the Downside instantly becomes if that third party has a problem Then everything is connected to has a problem. Like you can't log into those other things I don't really like that. I like my my system to be very independent And I don't know how much harder it would be to um What do you call it like to manage the GDPR because sometimes people are weird and want all their stuff deleted and I've had a few people request that Hey, look, someone even said that probably before I said it downside is GDPR responsible that's That's one of the things like to comply with GDPR. There's a purge option and people have said I want to purge myself So I let them like if you want to delete yourself off my forums, that's easy I don't know how much harder that is If you're using like a single sign-on type system to tie into discord not really sure I probably not Is easy right now. It's easy because the email address that you use to register is the email address you log in with And also the email address you can use to purge yourself out of the existence of my system I don't block you from doing that if you would like to Delete yourself just go delete yourself I don't have any restrictions on that. I'm not here to stop you So, all right, let's switch back over to the chat. So let's say Share share stream we'll throw the chat back in there There we go Oh, let's see PHP BB was good for a long time Yeah, that's um PHP BB was a great system that was It was forever and before that for news sites everything used to run PHP nuke, which was really cool too currently, uh, let's see Currently building a true nas server and looking to connect multiple computers any idea of an intel x 7 10 d4 works with true nas Uh, I don't know. I what is an intel? I don't know that particular model So that's called what he said What is an intel x d4? Have no idea if that works in there There's a there's a whole section called will it free nas and that's where you get to ask all those. Uh, well, it's probably called it uh free nas I recommend a lot of these things. Uh, where's that? There we go I'm gonna switch to their forums, but if you um Where's the forums true nas community? There we go I really recommend looking at their forums You can post an error and almost any card you've asked about if it's at least a couple years old Has been asked about in the forum So the best way to figure out what card works with true nas is going to be to go into the forums Type in the model number of your card. You either have people saying yes, it works Or you'll go have a bunch of people going. Hey, I can't get this to work with this model card. That's like the best way to uh Do that so Yeah, intel is generally very compatible with everything uh, the ones In the 45 drive server and i'll be this is the one i'll be doing a video on soon is Do These are what's in the 45 drive server the is the lsi hba adapters um For the hard drive adapters, so i'll be talking. I need to do a video where I just kind of break down What is an hba adapter? I think there's a lot of confusion around these but That's uh, it's gonna be easy with the 45 drive server because it's easy to kind of show and talk about these things um Network card compatibility most of the intel stuff is You know pretty good What's my opinion on sef storage a lot of people ask about that. Um Use it if you need it I do you need it is what you're doing needed amongst sef sef and gluster Both have the ability to but the performance may not be what you think it is the ability to be the front end presentation Of a share and the back end can be a series of other servers So it becomes your single point where you connect it to your sef system But then sef is then balancing across all these other systems to provide you data But that may come at the cost of performance And you still have to build network levels of redundancy between all the devices on the back end So it becomes a more complicated setup for your sand. It's not that I think it's bad. It's do you need it? Um, there's situations for sure that people need it for doing large-scale storage That needs to be on multiple machines There's especially needs for your large cloud companies and you know, you take someone who's got a store Absolutely insane amounts of data across multiple data centers. Yes. There are times definitely you should be using it Is it outside of a learning experience? How bad do you need it in a home lab is if you're planning to learn it because you plan to go into that cool Probably is it necessary? Probably not. Um, it's It's not I don't think there's anything bad about sef. It's just a matter of taking the times of it And 45 drives has a whole lot of videos about sef. It's a more complicated system You're adding actually a lot of complexity to your system But if the goal is to be learning things absolutely you're learning stuff Is the goal to Learn something else and just get the basics down and because you want to focus on Some other aspect of cyber security and you just need to get your lab up and running Maybe you don't add to any complicated things in there. So it's that's really my opinion on it. Uh, do you need it? So Return to site Hey, we are Up and running back with Up to the latest version. So awesome So good to go. We updated it the forums is back Is it is there I don't know I didn't not sure how to answer this Is there such a thing as a general mac based it system? What are the basic components of solid secure easy to use mac based for small business? I have no idea. I don't use mac Um, I'm not a mac person. Matter of fact, uh I I only have and let me I only own really And I happen to be the thumbnail today I only own one apple device and I can only process a single core so I mean, this is the only apple device I have so I can't answer a lot of those questions Uh about apple things. So it's just really not easy for me to do Um, I mean this I can review my one single core apple device It only could process one core at a time. It does a great job. I mean, I really like it, but I you know Here we'll do this Let's go here and I mean, look at this. It does a great job for doing single core, but I don't know. I don't know how that really helps um with your question. No I don't do I don't really do anything with uh apple devices. So I'm like the worst person to ask I've never touched them. I don't use them They're We do as a company not just as me as a company. We don't do it We don't have any clients that do if someone came in with a office full of Those type of systems. We wouldn't really be able to help them. Oh, we have a bunch of apples. I'm like, oh, well We're probably not the right fit That's my answer to a lot of these people and it's funny because we get people sometimes That are almost upset. Well, I've called everywhere. I can't find anyone who does a good job with them And I'm like third niche. They're they're not the mainstay mac is a tiny That mac is huge in the personal space when it comes to the business space They're really a tiny tiny percentage of the market. I mean they have a more market share than linux But they're not the same market share. There are companies that specialize in it I don't know of any of them personally. So I don't have any personal recommendations Uh, there are companies that exist that do support for them. There are companies that specializes uh in in doing mac support, but That's not us. So I don't have any good answers on that Uh, I use obs and I use stream yard. This is specifically stream yard Yeah, granny smith was the first in my family to get an apple granny smith is good. I would say so is uh Who raspberries I'm really a big fan of the honey crisp apples. So I answered this question earlier and maybe it was you who asked it That's just a big argument about who has the best stack Everyone does I think enable is the best stack and uh Someone else will tell that connect wise is someone else will say They like their data was set up. Someone else will say they like their setup with ninja rmm And they're all valid answers. So there's no good. I mean, I'm gonna tell you I think that using unify is great. I think that using Um, the pf sensor and tango firewalls is great That's my opinion. Everyone has their own opinion on so there's not a Uh, there's not a definitive answer on this. I said that earlier in a video too. So um People use personal devices at home, but that's why more and more things are going to the cloud Matter of fact, they aren't just going to the cloud. This is actually where the market is shifting You see any young company you won't find them using on-prem applications on-prem applications is a legacy thing On-prem is used very limited your line of business applications at most things Even if they're not in the cloud and maybe the company hosted internally, they're all becoming web-based The reason they're becoming web-based is because windows is hot garbage and creates a lot of problems You create a web-based one suddenly it doesn't matter what operating system i'm using you just have to have a browser Um, you know quickbooks had an announcement that they're discontinuing the quickbooks Uh, they're uh, I gotta work. I wonder if I still have that link It was a big debate a few people were having. I don't have a link anymore. Um I could probably google it so I don't know all the details on this just yet outside of what is on this page and i'm about to share So let's go ahead and uh Quickbooks desktop is being discontinued. Why are we discontinuing quickbooks setups hoping you stay compliant as our top priority Given the recent changes to accounting and tax fraud along with the more on the horizon We need to ensure your your product and supported with regular updates. That's why quickbooks desktop customers can miss Updates and use software is out of date and not compliant. That's why I decided to discontinue the product Now this is in the uk But I my understanding is it's coming to the us as well So this is specifically for quickbooks uk, but it's it's a matter of time So all the way till january 2023 It it'll probably take longer to phase out here, but this is the way companies are going They don't want to keep supporting a mac version or a different version They want to support a web version because when they have to do an update to the web version They update the web version. They have one single based update. So this is um It's it's where this is going and why that's becoming the desktop people use is becoming less than that's relevant for things That's where the future is going. So yeah, there's no There's no doubt that more and more things your web base. Look how many think look at I'm doing all this web base I'm using stream yard to be able to share everything really quickly here So now I'm literally moving video around tied to a camera at all pulling through a browser without any desktop applications so Windows is not garbage because they try to make every user happy about making them know a product. Yeah And anything that can be made into sass will go with that route. Yes. Synology and um, There's people pushing against it. It's just harder and even for us We technically there's a good hybrid model coming you look at the way we use wiki for documentation It's a website. It's internally hosted that we manage. We host that's actually something I think it's going to we're going to see more and more of More and more internal well zen orchestra. Look at all the things I can do is zen orchestra And it's an internal application. You know what I mean? It's I'm not doing any of this externally When I do zen orchestra So it's all derp dot share share Chrome tab When you look at how I use zen orchestra I'm able to use all these functions. I'm able to look at VMs that are running I can say Which one's something I can look at here You know, we can build all these virtual machines. I can change network adapters design infrastructure do all this I don't load any application. All I need to do is open a browser and I'm able to do all this I can back up restore Um Do anything I need to do just like all right, just click on this and go there actually If I wanted to spin up one of these 2019 servers I just hit the button start and it'll spin up one of my Lab servers that I need for some testing and I'm doing all of this without having any type of Application I loaded. It's just a website with the username and password. This is really where more and more things I think are going so it's not just everything's going to sass. I think everything's going to web interface They killed off and some people aren't happy about this But they're killing off the application that manages zen because it's not as popular And doing this all web-based is easier and all of us can use it if I here's the problem If ever all of us are managing let's say we have we do actually we have a handful of my employees that are all using This tool to manage everything if I had an update. I have to run an updating everybody's computer. That's annoying I have to tell everyone to hold on guys load the new version of the zen console software or You update the web page once I update the zen orchestra tool once and everyone has it everywhere on all the different desktops they use this is Better and just more it makes a lot more sense matter of fact, uh, let me see Uh We have a couple servers. We have a few of them running in here. Let me open up the lab one No, there we go This is in our lab when we have running same thing if I wanted to fire any of these up I can I can start this one just because it on I think we have enough storage. I'm only using Our lab got bigger. We this is going to be some stuff. I updated my whole lab. So We have a lot of storage. There's only, uh 244 terabytes free. I'm sure that's enough, right? To to run all these Oh and windows booted that fast because the We're doing some more testing. This is a decent rise in host Um, so yeah, we just built a quick rise in system for this. It's it's nice how fast all this stuff is But even through the council here no tools no special thing loaded. I can do this I can Play with windows update it Now to shut it back down. I don't really need it on So It's one of those things everything's becoming more and more web based The uh, I've done videos on screen cracked the same thing if you look at like screen connect And that and that And that and that and that There we go. I can show this screen, but you know, this is like screen connect same thing I'm able to remotely manage systems Uh in here and I'm able to do this with This system here. It's you know, I mean all web based so all web based. I'm able to manage and control everything It's just kind of slick and like you say everything's getting very web webification as someone said a minute ago Uh, it's it's where the world is going and it just makes life a lot easier. Oh, let's see Is then orchestra a good server setup for multi vm servers and hosting websites and servers? um I think so, but it I mean I wouldn't resell hosting and resell access as an orchestra So I guess it depends on what type of hosting you're talking about so overall. Yes I like it um comes down to your use case yeah The web application of everything just means one problem. I network and we're all driven. Yeah The thing with web is how long will it take to get folks moved commonly to have you six Never no one's moving ipv6 The internet will find something the the world will find something that it needs beyond this and uh It's yeah, it's not it's not an issue. How's that? Yeah, is that orchestra is not a replacement or not even in the same category as plusc or c-panel That's very those are very different tools. Um, they're not not the same at all Myers Myers stores. Yes. Myers is around here The world's gonna keep making ipv4 work forever. That's my well until we don't need tcp ip That's I don't think ipv6 is coming because we'll replace tcp ipv before we go to ipv6 Um, do you have any personal experience with the rose will rsv server x chassis? I don't know anything about quiet servers because we've not tried to I mean people ask about it. I don't know Mostly if you build quiet servers Um, you just aren't going to buy commercial equipment. That's the biggest thing. Um You're gonna go for I don't know like commodity build hardware that way you can buy the fans that are quieter for you And it's not usually the chassis as much as just that Yeah, it's It's kind of not easy to find a quiet server. Let's just say that Yeah, it's gonna be ipv4 until we need chips on our brain. We'll go with that That's a fair answer Once we once we need that once to get to the chips in our brain. We're good. Yeah the You can go dual stack as long as things that you have work on it It's you know, some things still have problems with ipv6. I don't bother diving much into ipv6. Um It's not really there's not there's not that market and people tell me you're gonna have to I've been hearing that since, um, I don't know history of ip uh PD ipv6 how long did this start? Yeah, ipv6 was introduced. Um in 1995 and we exhausted The ipv4 exhaustion Was how many years ago? It was a long time ago It's not happening though. Not anytime soon I don't think i'm wrong I didn't I don't want to be right, but I don't think i'm wrong either. So Uh When will you do a follow-up for the home lab show 28 own your domain? What follow-up do we need to do? I guess so that's not it. What's the follow-up that we need to do on it? That's the part I may not understand now cell service and lots of uh What do you call that the meters on your house that do in elite any us at least The meters that do all the monitoring for your power like the power company meters are all ipv6 There's a lot of things sell the cell networks are back end ipv6 But then use interpreters to bring things back to ipv4 Yeah, no the um own domain video. Yeah I don't like I said, I don't know when You will do a follow-up me, but I'm not sure what to follow up on for that video All right, what are your thoughts on das versus ice cuz he performance costs? I don't know. I don't think I've seen dat I mean direct attach is nice but um I don't know it really depends on what you're buying. I don't see as much mostly we see we do external sands more than anything else So I don't think I don't see as many people wanting to go that route But I mean direct attach storage works. You can pop a court card in Eliminates the networking in between so that has a big advantage It's just a matter of how you want to build out your server And if you're building a multi server system Well, then you kind of need a shared storage medium You need a sand if you're trying to build a cluster of servers where the storage just has a common location So then that doesn't work Then orchestra versus open stack. Um, you're not asking the right question. They're not they're not the same One's a hypervisor one's an orchestration tool so It well one manages a hypervisor one manages orchestration So they're not they're not in the same category. So my thoughts are they're both cool products. They're both very different They're um, yeah xcpg sporting Windows 11, I don't know my client my staff is testing that not me. So I don't know I'll find out So that's where you're going Yeah, a little tired day, but uh, I don't know we haven't really done much testing with it There's there's so many bypasses In official from microsoft registry keys that allow you to bypass The windows 11 useless check on tpm. It's stupid that it bothers checking because you can turn it off So technically if you turn it off with the registry key, it works. So I don't even know why that matters It's kind of dumb Thanks microsoft, uh, steve gibson had tweeted about that. It was I think in his last security now I was just laughing about it What do you think about self hosting your own source code? Why not go for it? I don't see a reason why not the bigger challenges. How do you collaborate with people on it? I mean, I have lots of my own codes Uh, that I have not that it's great code. It's it's it's not shared with the public because it shouldn't be Um, but my I have lots of private repositories of things that I manage So I think if you want to host it. Yeah, I mean, why shouldn't you It's just harder to collaborate. So Oh hpmsa storage I don't I would go true nas. I would before I would go hp for sure. So Yeah, I I don't have much interest in the hp stuff There's a reason we work with very large companies that we're always taking out something that they used to have By one of the commercial companies and putting in true nas and there's a lot of reasons for that So I don't know if you want to use it go ahead. I'm a much bigger fan of the open source storage solutions such as true nas For flexibility and performance. So and so in 45 drives is really big fans of zfs and seff Those are solutions. I think are better than the weird proprietary solutions offered by dell or hp. So that's my opinion on it So that's I mean if you want to use the proprietary solutions by them I I don't have much of an opinion on them. I don't really use them I my understanding from talking to people about them between the licensing and things like that. It's confusing Um, it usually requires some type of sales person might be able to pick it up cheap on the secondary market, but yeah Your true nas scale is flooding your network looking for ix true nas and ix true nas local about a thousand per minute I don't know what you set up wrong. I would recommend posting in the true nas forums for that I've not seen that problem before So a good option for self-hosting things will even once while I don't know Um, I have lots of vms. I don't turn on very often So sometimes I just build something and I'm like, I don't really need that now and I shut it off It's just sitting there. There's not really a good option. It just Lives there, I guess Um Some things you like to self-host but use them for you the problem If you have something that's ever going to be public facing Like you said video calls and like if you want to use some of those tools They got to be up to date So if you're going to open them up to the public to do something like video calling You kind of got to keep them on to keep them up to date. That's just something to keep in mind. So All right, we're down to the last three minutes What are the few extra things we want to talk about for the next three minutes? I am going to the it in the d meet up For those of you that aren't familiar. I'll pull that up so we'll uh Share share screen Ooh 23 people in attendance Cool, but uh it in the d is my friends. They're casual networking for it people A Friend bob wattenspiel organizes this and uh Randy so they're definitely some cool stuff A lot of fun Uh, I'm going to go network with nerds in person in physical person. They have a few members in this group about 3000 Uh, this is a you know network with it professionals. See where see where our next event is hosted So we're going to be doing that. That's why I got a leaf here in a couple minutes So if you happen to be in the Detroit area Bash the like button as well Have you ever used intermediate sharing service? Uh, nope never used it thoughts on moving nas files to cloud sharing services in general Um, it's a security risk anytime You start sharing these things across the cloud like that. It's a security risk. Uh, so it's that's my thoughts on it Hey, Brett's right. It's gonna be it's gonna be fun hanging out with nerds So let's see any other questions we have I one more minute one more minute of questions Then I gotta then I gotta run to go to the it in the d I have no I've never put the doorbell on outside. So I'm not sure how well it works in sub zero Milkshake your coffee water. I'm a water drinker. That's what's in here mostly I sip water all the time It's my thing. I have tea. This is my I didn't put it away yet. This is my tea from this morning So it's got the kicking chicken on it. Come on. There we go Oh How do you trade off the security risks of cloud files versus nas attacks? Patch everything and hope for the best It's not there's not a guarantee Uh, it in matter of fact, one of our one of our projects is um, we have a client that is Because of security. They just don't want to risk it. They physically move boxes between sites Uh while encrypted they never transport any of your secretive data over the internet ever The keep networks the military does this too. I believe we refer to as a skiff They create these isolated environments of data and they it gives them very tight levels of control over certain data Um, I'm not an expert on that particular aspect of it But it's basically referred to is like air gapping things that is an important aspect to think about so No matter what is Much as right now, I know there's no risk with certain devices that are known There's no cvs for sharing something like unless a synology. I don't think there's any current cvs Uh provides you have a fully patched system, but that's right now. It doesn't mean someone won't find one tomorrow There's always a risk. There's no way to ever fully mitigate the risk. It's uh, that's the downside of tech That's why so many tech people the more you dive into cyber security. You're like, oh my god All the code is hot garbage. There's just a matter of time before someone does it if you uh, look what I tweeted today Where's my twitter go to profile? I mean look at this clever stuff here Let's share share It's the last thing i'll leave you guys with so Failed a ban does not do proper input sanitization on the mail action for the mail who is causing The potential for commands and the who is to be executed So if you would have said could fail to ban be a way to take over my server So if you configured fail to ban to do lookups and then you also own and control the who is information And you're able to put executable commands turns out there's an input sanitization that someone found in failed to ban so If before I seen this I would have assumed they did proper input sanitization So let me say that nothing if it's online is I ever going to be 100 secure You hope for the best you do your best and say that I did everything I knew possible to secure this network And then someone bangs on the A port with failed to ban and takes over the server because it was running fail to ban and it didn't Properly sanitize the input from the who is when it did the mailer and executed a series of commands Think about that for a minute and then go is your nas file absolutely secure to be shared across the cloud? Is it I mean right now it is until someone finds out that they can Do this I mean It's cool. So Yeah It's something to think about so yes Yep, there's always some little piece that didn't get validated Somewhere that could be the the edge that gets someone in you everything you can to feel that you did everything you can That's how you sleep at night. You can't just there is no guarantees in tech turn it off That's your guarantee don't put it online. That's your guarantee um everything else is Yeah, so Oh true church you're a little late to the party because I have to run But awesome, uh, I will be doing some updated true nas scale videos, of course And I'll be mentioning true charts each time because they've got more stuff on there This is so true right here, so Uh Yep, the input sanitization is a problem persistent and programming Applications it in even when you think you've done it There's someone finds a workaround that it didn't work right. So yes ask apple about that. So yeah All right, um I am out of here. All right. Thank you everyone for joining. Thank you everyone to smash and like button Cool fill three throws post something happens or it'd be broken again Hey, we'll do absolutely looking forward to trusting out true nas scale This is actually I didn't say this but well the reason we've been shuffling all the data and moving everything is because I want to dedicate it another box that I can use uh to Go back and forth between core and scale and uh get things started out So all right. Thank you everyone for joining and I will see you next week and I'll be doing some videos in between. Thanks