 Right. Well, good morning everybody and welcome to our 10 a.m. at public portion of closed session of the August 13th 2019 meeting of the city council and this part of the meeting the council will receive public testimony Thereafter the council members will move to the courtyard conference room for closed session I would like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you mayor council members crone lover here Matthew Your place mayor Cummings and mayor Watkins here Are there any members of the public who would like to speak to any items on closed session today? Please come forward and Thank you. Good morning Mayor Watkins and members of the city council. I'm Zeke bean water resources supervisor and president of the OE3 supervisors unit for the city I've met with most of you on a couple occasions already and I'd like to reiterate What we're what we've talked about and why we're all here today? Supervisory supervisory employees deserve a fair and equitable contract When there's a sewage leak in the middle of the night Supervisors drop everything and rush to clean it up when our streets are flooding We head out to the in the pouring rain to unclog the storm drains. We fix our streets We clean up campsites. We clean we clean human extra men off our sidewalks. We pick up needles We care for your children in our recreation programs and we put our lives on the line every single day and Work just as hard as every other city employee to protect and to serve our community And we do this all because we place a high value on the city So when you tell us that you just don't have the money To do what's right and give us a fair contract And then you subsequently turn around and offer even more to other employees in other units It's a slap in the face. It sends a message that you simply do not place the same value on Supervisors as you place on other employees We understand that the city needs to have a balanced budget We've understood that as we've fallen 18 percent behind inflation since 2003 We understood that during the last recession when we volunteered to take pay cuts and forgo raises So that we could keep the city solvent while doing the critical work of maintaining our infrastructure Because we understand that when you defer the needed maintenance on your infrastructure for too long it crumbles Well, guess what? We're your most critical piece of infrastructure and you've deferred us for too long It's time to start taking us seriously. We're just eighty thousand dollars away from a fair and equitable contract You control the budget and it boils down to how you prioritize us Just few more seconds. You have the power to do what's right today You have the power to ensure that supervisory employees come to work Knowing that we're valued and you have the power to treat supervisors with the dignity and respect that we deserve that we deserve Thank you. Thank you. Okay Is there any other member of the community who'd like to address the council? Okay, seeing none. We'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting to the courtyard conference room at this time. Thank you All right. Well, good afternoon everybody welcome to our 130 approaching 140 City council meeting and I would like to ask our clerk to please call the roll Thank you mayor council members crone here lever here Brown here Matthews here vice mayor coming here and mayor Watkins here Before we move forward with the Pledge of Allegiance I'd like to if I could ask those in the audience and my colleagues up here to take a moment of silence to honor the victims of the horrific shootings that took place in As close as Gilroy to us and El Paso and as well as in Dayton and probably the numerous others that Don't necessarily get the same media coverage. So if we will we'll take a brief moment of silence Thank you So I'll go ahead and ask our clerk to now lead us through our Pledge of Allegiance So at this time we have the introduction of new employees and We'll start with our Economic Development Director Bonnie Lipscomb who will be introducing her new employee Afternoon mayor members of the council. It's my pleasure to introduce Jessica DeWitt Who joined our housing team and economic development as our new housing and community development manager? So she's been working a little over a month and it's been great Jessica is responsible for managing the city's housing programs including inclusionary housing measure oh home ownership programs rental housing developments accessory dwelling unit programs program and compliance monitoring and affordable housing preservation So she's very busy Already she has over 13 years of affordable housing development experience working for local affordable housing nonprofit developers including mid-pin and first community housing So she has great affordable housing background Which we think is going to be perfect timing and expertise for some of the projects that we're working on right now Prior to joining the city Jessica worked for the County of Sarin and Clara managing the development feasibility and loan underwriting program for affordable housing projects Jessica earned her BA degree from University of California San Diego and a master's in regional and urban planning from the University of Michigan Which is my alma mater too so very excited Jessica also received her certificate in real estate development from the University of Michigan and also has as a graduate of lists Affordable housing development training Institute, so she's very well qualified for the position She was born locally Stanford fairly locally at Stanford Hospital and grew up in the Bay Area and made many regular trips down to Santa Cruz Growing up she's lived in the Santa Cruz area on and off since 2006 and is excited to be working the community She loves and lives in you'll be happy to know that Jessica bikes to work At least two times a week and her favorite thing to do outside of work is mountain bike and the surrounding area loves wilder Also loves with West Cliff and natural bridges and eating anything locally, so she's a huge fan of our local farmers market She's impressed by the team atmosphere oriented atmosphere at the city and is excited to bring more affordable housing jobs and transit options to downtown So please join me in welcoming Jessica to the city Welcome Jessica So at this time I'll also invite up our director of Parks and Recreation Tony Elliott to introduce his new employee All right. Good afternoon mayor and city council like to introduce Catherine green here We were furiously writing notes as during that last presentation to add some more things here, so excited for this presentation Catherine's our new administrative assistant in the Parks and Recreation Department. She began working in mid-July Catherine grew up in Lamor a small town in the Central Valley School and employment opportunities her have allowed her to live in Southern California the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic She has her BA in sociology from UC Santa Barbara She's volunteered with local organizations such as the city library the pride parade second harvest food bank Habitat for Humanity and she also serves as an instructor for the community emergency response the cert team And is the team leader for the city of Santa Cruz The municipal wharf is her favorite park or one of her favorite places in the city And she can be found if you guys want to meet Catherine or ever talk to her She's at the front desk of the Parks and Rec office that three two three church street across the street Along with our awesome front office team. So please help me in welcoming Catherine Welcome and we have next our director of public works Mark Dettel to introduce his new employees Good afternoon mayor and council It's my pleasure to introduce two new employees My far left is Jose Armando Ortiz. He's a new resource recovery worker working in the recycling processing Area. He was born in Mexico and raised in Santa Cruz. He lives in Capitola He's currently married and has a son who's two years old Armando's he's been a roofer and a restaurant manager. He worked at 99 bottles for five years when he's going to school He graduated Santa Cruz High attended and attended Cabrillo College When he's not working likes fishing at Pinto Lake, and he loves meeting new people We're glad to have him up at the recycle center Also next to Armando is Katie short left. She's a new assistant engineer, too in the stormwater and wastewater division and She was born and raised in Seattle, Washington and currently lives in Santa Cruz She has two years in geotechnical consulting experience and she studied Engineering geology at UCLA for undergraduate and has a masters of civil engineering with an emphasis in geosystems from UC Berkeley Go Bears and When she's not working She likes to mountain bike hike rock climb and explore local state parks So please join me in welcoming our two new employees Welcome and then last but certainly not least we have Rose Mary Menard from our water department Good afternoon mayor and council welcome back So it's my pleasure here today to introduce James Cassatt. He's a new utility services rep in our customer services group He was born in Monterey, but has lived in coastal California all of his life and moved to Santa Cruz in 2009 three goals. He said to see the sun during the summer. This week is good Learned to surf and for Charlie Hong Kong. So there you go He's worked in a variety of different kinds of jobs over looks like he has really Tanner so years of experience production at Santa Cruz bicycles he's done a various kind of accounting and Revenue management jobs. He's worked at the boardwalk and at Walgreens and a lot of different kinds of customer service jobs So he's really great coming into the customer service group and understands the sort of financial transactions that go on there He enjoys a cycling road and mountain biking. However, his real passion is long distance 75 to 130 mile bike road trips And he's traveled a lot with different kinds of activities to learn about different cultures He's been active as a community volunteer for a habitat for humanity and the diversity center and also wildlife center and SPCA of Monterey County for several years. So please help me welcome James Cassatt Welcome James So before we move on to the presentations I have a brief announcement to make that on August 24th, I'm excited to be biking in our upcoming streets smarts family bike ride August 24th We'll be a busy day And we at the city invite you all to bike with us and our police officers and ecology action along the river walk We'll start and end at the tannery with penny ice creamery cones for all who ride There is also a traffic safety open house with games and our favorite Warriors Maverick The mascot so I hope to see you on August 24th at 10 a.m. At noon for the tannery bike ride And if there's any of you interested in attending there's more information on our website So at this time I have a opportunity to have a presentation and then a proclamation for our Lovely derby girls So I'll go ahead and invite up our derby girls to share and then happy to present the praise the proclamation All right Well, thank you so much for inviting us here today We're so honored to work with the city of Santa Cruz each year and each season to proclaim a derby girl month in Santa Cruz my name is Eileen Hill I've been with the Santa Cruz derby girls for 10 years my roller derby name is Sharon DePane and I have Been skating with the harbor health cats. I also Volunteer on our public relations committee and in my real life. I'm the executive director of the curbio College Foundation Well, I'll just introduce ourselves real quick I'm skirt Vonnegut. I'm a retired boardwalk bombshell I'm Kim Luke my derby name is Mildred fierce. I've been with the league since the beginning 2008 I've been a skater a juniors coach an announcer PR maven and a legend which is an official title My name is Knox I skate with and I'm captain of the harbor health cats I've been with the league for a couple years now and my job there is a boot camp trainer So I coach all the new people coming in my name is war and I'm a skater on hiatus for Probably two years now Until my son starts driving then I'll be back And I work here for the city You just happen to be here My name is Jennifer wood or swoop dog. I'm the current executive director of the Santa Cruz Derby girls I've been with the league for 10 years too much longer than Sharon. I believe but not as long as Millie And in my regular life, I'm a system health care system analyst for Salud part of a hint day in Watsonville Give you some background on the Santa Cruz Derby girls and what we do here in Santa Cruz and for the community How many of you guys have been to about Almost every almost a hundred percent. I love it. All right All right, I'll give you some history and background Some of you might remember roller derby from the olden days. It was on a banked track There were crazy names and some fights and wrestling also mixed in Modern roller derby began in 2001 in Austin, Texas It's quickly spread worldwide to well well over 1200 leagues throughout the world Modern roller derby is played by a set of rules and it is not scripted We like to think it is entertaining sports and not sports entertainment We play on a flat track not a banked track like the old days Most of the higher competitive competing teams do skate on a flat track The sport has evolved and grown exponentially from tattoos and fishnets to serious athletes who train in practice seven days a week Our league began in 2009 as the first full-contact flat track roller derby league in Santa Cruz And some might say the first sports team in Santa Cruz. I'm looking at the Warriors right now a Small group of determined women who really wanted to make roller derby happen in Santa Cruz put a lot of time and work into creating this league We are one of over 400 leagues Internationally that are part of the women's flat track derby association It's the governing body in roller derby like the NBA is for basketball and we are a 501c3 organization all right and Sarlie has grown to 170 members who are comprised of skaters refs non-skating officials announcers and volunteers who are committed to furthering the sport of roller derby and giving back to the community Our organization is completely volunteer run. It's the hard work of our league members that makes Santa Cruz Roller derby here in Santa Cruz possible In order to be part of the league members need to pay dues and because it's a bit of a pay-to-play Your skate scene skaters that won't not not only pay money But time blood sweat and tears into a sport that they love Yeah My goodness that's what makes it so great is everyone's so passionate about it and Besides those hundred seventy adult members. We have a hundred junior skaters It's through our roller derby grommets program and their age seven to seventeen and Art Santa Cruz Derby Dom's Groms, which is the A team They've climbed the rankings in the junior roller derby association And they're currently ranked number two nationally And and we're really proud of our junior derby program any of philosophism female empowerment and confidence We are instilling in these young skaters. They are the future of roller derby So the adult league structure works sort of like a farm league in that you're Continue trying to move up to get to the A team level and our we have a boot camp that we run twice Twice a year for the public we teach all fundamental skills That's one of the key ways people on board into the league and then from there you can keep ascending You can try out for fresh meat and skate with the fresh meat skater pool for a while from there You can become a seabright siren, which is our C team And and so on our B team is the harbor Hellcats And then our all-star team is a charter of 20 of the top players on the league who is our Competitive team that skirt's gonna talk a little bit about That's right. So our boardwalk bombshells are our all-star team The bombshells travel and compete internationally for rankings all over the world Are all stars have played teams from Australia, Canada Finland England, Florida, Utah, Washington, New York You can actually name pretty much any state and we've probably played a team from them from there Last spring we hosted a tournament in Santa Cruz at our practice facility and we hosted seven teams from five different US states Our little Santa Cruz team is making an impact worldwide and we're now ranked number 14 out of more than 400 Wufta Leagues Worldwide, so So when you come to see us play you're literally seeing some of the best roller derby players in the world And here's some coverage of our teams in the Santa Cruz That's me Yes, here's some coverage. We're lucky to have the sentinel cover us and some of our games throughout the year Okay, and also so this year we qualified for playoffs in North Carolina at the beginning of September and the top three teams are gonna Go to championships in November in Montreal. We have yet to make it to championships, but we're Really rooting for it this year and then this is of course the bracket of the Teams that we're gonna play at playoffs and our first game is against the Paris roller girls So a lot of Not only do we skate and we train and we compete and also volunteer for the league We also commit a lot of time and energy into giving back to our community So so far we've donated nearly $50,000 back to our Santa Cruz community over 1500 hours and support more than Support more than 40 local non-profits schools and community groups this year We're partnering with the SPCA as our nonprofit partner and we Promote them throughout the year and at the end of the season proceeds from our bout go to them We also do things in the community like support the wharf to wharf the autism net family networks Homeless services soup line. We like to go to community events and arm wrestle community members So if any of you guys are interested look out for that We also help support Monarch services do beach cleanups Walnut Avenue services the pride parade is one of our favorite things to be a part of As well as different parades for example dot at the autism family network human race As well as elementary school reading program So we like to be in the community as much as possible so that we can give back And we hope that our community will come and see us play at the Santa Cruz Civic auditorium So we are excited to be celebrating the Santa Cruz derby girls all of this month in Santa Cruz You'll see our banners up downtown every summer they're up for a whole month Thank you Catherine you guys got a good one Downtown window displays will be featuring derby girls gear. It's kind of a fun program We're creating a derby girl beer with the Santa Cruz brewing company. Do you know what it's called this year? They usually come up with something gnarly Our next bout on august 24th at the civic our junior players will play at 430 against Sacramento roller derby and the boardwalk bombshells The all-stars will play at 645 against Sacramento as well It's your last chance to see our all-star team play at the home on their home track this season We will have crazy george there to help pump up our fans. He invented the wave So he says that's our mascot That's his claim. That's his claim. He he invented the wave and not this one We will be honoring and surprising mere Watkins with her own derby name It's a tradition that started with Cynthia Matthews who was our first honorary derby girl. Her derby name is Sibyl servant Sibyl servant. That's right And I do want to throw in a few more because they've been so fun. Okay. I'm going to throw out a name You tell me who you think it was uh veto power Was ryan coonerty policy maker was lin robinson steamer lane No, no, that's don lane Yes Civic booty now that's hillary bryant Protect and swerve was former police chief kevin vogal We had hot sauce who was mad hot firefighter of the year for santa cruz Red alert with sythia chase and terrazzasaurus rex was you know who So, uh, it'll be a fun night on august 24th And we hope you can all make it and cheer on your santa cruz derby girls Thank you Well, I think the derby girls are awesome And I want to thank you for your presentation and I have a mayor's proclamation here And I was looking at the where as is and I think you touched on all of them So i'm going to go straight to the there for and and that's the that's a really important part of it And I look forward to sharing it on the 24th So I martin wackens mayor of the city of santa cruz Do hereby proclaim the month of august 2019 as santa cruz derby girls month in the city of santa cruz And in in urge all citizens to celebrate this hardworking and dedicated league of women and men Who bring the sport of roller derby to our city and to attend the august 24th 2019 bout at the santa cruz civic auditorium, and I look forward to being there And i'm happy to present this to you Can we take a selfie? Do you guys just in the background? Yeah, smile council. Do you want the do you want the proclamation? Yeah, just hold it in the back All right Here we go All right All right, thank you All right I have derby girl envy because i'm terrible on roller skates Anyhow Okay, so that concludes the presentation So at this time we'll go ahead and move on to the rest of our agenda And so I have a few announcements And um first announcement is that today's meeting is being broadcast live on community television channel 25 And it's streaming on the city's website at cityofsantaCruz.com There you go All city council members can be emailed at city council at cityofsantaCruz.com If you would like to communicate with us about any agenda item We'd like to receive your email by monday at 5 p.m. Before our council meeting This provides us with an opportunity to review your email and include it with the rest of our agenda packet Please do bear in mind that all items of correspondence with the city and the city council Constitute public records and are generally subject to disclosure upon request by any member of the public Accordingly if you have any sensitive or private information that you wish not to be made public You should not include that information in your correspondence Our rules of decorum are on the window ledge to my left It's my job to keep the meeting running without disruption And we ask that you respect your fellow citizens when you are inside and outside of our city chambers At this time i'll go ahead and ask our council members if there are any statements of disqualification today Seeing them we'll go ahead and see if there are any additions or deletions to the agenda from our city clerk No I have a brief announcement about oral communications Oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on items that are not on today's agenda Oral communications will occur at or around 7 p.m I'll go ahead and turn it over to our city attorney to provide a report on closed session Mr. Kandadi Thank you, mayor Watkins members of the city council the following items were discussed by the closed by the council in closed session Which began this morning at 10 a.m Item a was liability claims the claims of olga j o'con Jerry l mackenturf And david w turner those items are also listed as item eight on your consent calendar this afternoon Um, the next item was a conference with labor negotiators involving the following groups the mid managers supervisors executives poa police management association and fire Um, council received a report and gave direction to its negotiators. There was no reportable action on those items One of which is also on your afternoon agenda There are two items of significant exposure to litigation There was no reportable action on either of those items and one item of considering initiation of litigation Which also did not result in reportable action There were two items of a conference with legal counsel concerning pending litigation Um, first is a case of habitat and watershed caretakers versus regents of the university of california Pending in the santa cruse county superior court Um, there was no reportable action on that item the second item was a discussion of the pending Lawsuit in the ninth circuit court of appeals entitled martin versus the city of boise Um, there was no reportable action on that item either Lastly, there were real property negotiations Council received a report from and gave direction to its negotiator Bonnie libscomb Concerning the property at 125 coral street And there were performance evaluations for the city attorney and city manager. Um No reportable action on those items Thank you very much. Okay. So now is an opportunity to see if there are any changes to the Meeting calendar, which is attached to the agenda. Um, is there any changes to the meeting calendar? Next we'll go ahead and move right along to our consent agenda Councilor Glover I'm sorry. There was I may be miss or not missing it But they're normally whereas the section for us to add things to a future agenda that weren't listed on this one Is that number two that we just went past or there's um, it's that's the it's essentially written as To have it be If there's any changes to the meeting calendar dates and it's been used as a way to add items to the agenda But it's not advertised is that so it's I'm just making sure that this number two item is normally when council members would bring forward things They'd like to see on future agendas that aren't on the agendas or that we want to be taken Just because there's been a concern from the community that this item has been moved from the end of the agenda to the beginning of The agenda, which doesn't really give us the opportunity to holistically look at the Feedback that we get from the community through the afternoon agenda to determine if there is the need to schedule things Post haste for the following meetings. So I would request that we move this to the end of the afternoon agenda So I make a motion for that second Okay, there's a motion by council member Glover seconded by council member crone Any further discussion council member matthews. I would just leave that to your discretion frankly Well, there's a process for agendizing items and items that come forward and as you know today We had a we have what is estimated to be a 12 hour meeting So I Use that to the best of my ability and the vice mayor and myself and we'll be discussing that later in our meeting Our main in our discussions around What happened from the retreat will be looking at a refined process the meeting calendar is As far as I recollect and all it's ask of our city Manager or city attorney wanting to weigh in on this has always been Sort of an opportunity if there's been any structural changes to the meeting calendar dates And if by necessity if there hasn't been An item agendized then that would be the opportunity to do that but that was often not the case. It was very rare I'd say so given that it's structurally for me as the person who works on setting the agenda makes The most sense to have it at the beginning knowing that there could be a better process to agendize items That said if there's a motion in a second to have it later then The majority of the council can go ahead and do that council member Glover. Thank you and yeah So I don't anticipate that we'll need to use it at all, but I feel that it gives Limits our ability to if something comes up in the conversation between now and the end of the afternoon session that does require us to be More intentional in moving things on the next agenda I think that it should we should leave that opportunity for us to be able to use that tool if necessary also in the last six months Myself and others on the council have had to use that tool to make sure We got items such as the ability for us to address the ice immigration raids Which took place which would not have been placed on the next agenda Or we would have had to hope with our fingers crossed that it did show up on the next agenda as opposed to making sure That the community could address something as important as immigration reform and protecting the undocumented citizens So again, it's a very vital in my opinion vital aspect to the agenda and I would love to see it Just put to the end of the day As well, you know in the future open the conversation of how the agenda is built as a whole But for just today, it'd be great to see it put towards the end of the agenda Okay, so there's a motion to postpone the item until the end of the meeting councilman One moment. We're having discussion. I'll go ahead and open it up to public comment You can go ahead and take a seat if you like go ahead. Thank you Yeah, I just want to support The motion because it just seems like there is a right of the council here too as a whole And I don't want us to give this away And I think coming at the end of the meeting makes the most sense because things happen during the course of the meeting as a very relevant one that Councilman Glover just mentioned the ice raid and there's been others as well. So I I really Make a plea here to my fellow council members to preserve this right and have the calendar Where it has been for the last time since I've been on the council. I think The last three years at the end of the agenda seems more appropriate I'll just maybe ask if our city attorney wants to weigh in here on this one My understanding is that it's agendized as the meeting calendar It's not agendized as a process for council members to agendize anything that comes up Because I think it would be sort of not necessarily in And with the intention of the of the brown act to be agendized in that way if that's the opportunity So when I think that was sort of the task of the vice mayor and myself to look at clarifying That language then if that's what we want it to be As opposed to saying it's just sort of a meeting calendar update in terms of date changes or date adjustments Do you have any insights into that as our legal counsel? First of all, I concur with your description of how this has been done traditionally in the past But with respect to the application of the brown act and your own meeting rules what it says Is quoting in part from the brown act The member of the legislative body or the body itself subject to rules or procedures of the legislative body This is an exception to the rule that says no action or discussion shall be taken on an item that's not on the posted agenda So this is an exception A member of the legislative body or the body itself subject to rules or procedures of the legislative body May provide a reference to staff or other resources for factual information request Staff to report back to the body at a subsequent meeting concerning any matter or take action to direct staff to place a matter of business on a future agenda Turning to the meeting guidelines that the council has adopted it states that the mayor in consultation with the city manager City clerk administrator and department heads will establish the agenda and the order of the agenda. So Um, there's a little bit of a conflict there between the meeting guidelines and the and the brown act Councilor brown and the vice mayor coming I would just say I welcome hearing from the mayor and vice mayor and having a discussion with the council about Looking at the process for placing items on the agenda In general as for today, I don't see given that it it may not probably won't be used We could just move on. I don't see any reason to not just add it to the end of the agenda just in case So I'll be supporting it Vice mayor I'm just going to say that In the past when important issues have come to our attention during public comment for example Was in relation for example the ice raid that we as a city council made it a priority to make sure that we address that And I think that myself and the mayor work with the city manager Very hard to understand the concerns of the community and make sure that they're addressed in a timely manner Um, I would like to add that should we need to bring the calendar back at the end of the meeting I think that there would be Votes to do that, but I think that at this point in time we should just move forward if there's if in the event Something comes to our attention and we need to revisit the calendar I think that we can do so at the end of the meeting But as it stands right now, we should move forward and continue with the meeting as as it's been scheduled and planned I have a clarification for the journey council member Can we do that without an agenda item? Can we just decide to revisit something at the end of our meeting without having an item? You can bring a vote to reconsider so you and we need how many votes to do that need a quorum. You need four So we have a motion on the floor by council member Glover is seconded by council member crone Um any further discussion Council member Glover I'm just amazed that it's taken this much discussion to move something to the end of the afternoon agenda that literally takes 30 seconds To just move past. I don't understand why there's such contention around giving us the opportunity to maintain a tool on the on the Agenda that is there specifically for us to be able to allocate important issues on the following agenda But uh, it just very reminiscent of experience on the dais It's just really unfortunate that something as simple as moving something to a later portion of the agenda has caused this much of a delay Okay So we'll go ahead and open it up to see if any member of the community wants to weigh in on this Is there any member of the community that like to address the council on this? This nurse you'll have up to two minutes There's a clear division on this council and part of that division is reflected in how the agendas are created So in the mayor the vice mayor and the city manager and his staff creates an agenda Without paying any attention to side lining and deep-sixing stuff that's presented by the Three other council members. This has happened at least once and actually more than once It's important. There'll be a process where this can actually Happen in a public way where and items can be put on the agenda or even four members of this body apparently can't get something on the agenda if it's against the will of The mayor and the city manager I want to see an item put on this agenda for the next agenda actually Which talks about totally revamping the agenda process and making it public So that the public has an input But there's certainly three members of the city council get a priority item on the next agenda if they wanted on the agenda At the last city council meeting Mayor Watkins also glided over this issue very very quickly shouldn't even mention it moved right into the The consent agenda and she also Unilaterally moved this to the beginning of the agenda without a vote On this by the city council So I think it's an example another example of a minority on this council using one member who is Wavering that's mr. Cummings back and forth on I think key issues To in essence create a majority and also using the city attorney in this way Which I find to be unfortunate and I think somewhat disingenuous because These issues to some extent should be allowed to the vote of the council Trying to get the the city attorney to weigh in on your side After you've taken a unilateral action you being either you being the mayor and not addressing the mayor directly but referring to her is Loading the whole situation and the whole process So I would say vote for this but certainly vote at the end of this agenda to put some decent items on the agenda And open it up to public discussion. Thank you Okay Okay, I'm not seeing any other member of the community you want to speak to this item We'll go ahead and return to council council member crown the only what Is on the floor is I understood also that you can bring back Any agenda item later with four votes, but it's it's the transparency here that i'm really um a bit upset about just because An email or something From the mayor would have helped You know, this is why i'm you know before the before the the meeting just said hey, i'm thinking about this any input You know i'm moving this calendar item to the front without any you know I just think that we should be pursuing transparency up here amongst ourselves as well as well with the public All right. Well, I hear your feedback and we'll go ahead and take the vote all those in favor. Please say I Opposed no So that fails with council member Brown crown and glever voting in support council member matthews vice mayor Cummings myself and mires voting against Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to our consent agenda So those items on the agenda council member matthews, excuse me just a comment on that item It seems to me historically reviewing the meeting calendar used to be as we've said just strictly dates What date and what time are we meeting are we having a study just a review of the dates not the agenda and other people have brought up issues of What items do people want put on an agenda and is it the next agenda or is it a future agenda? And we've all talked about workloads. So when you consider this item in the future I think it'd be good to separate those two things what days and times are we meeting? And what's the process for agendizing and I think that could clarify some of this I agree I agree And that um, thank you for that. Okay, so we'll go ahead and move on now then to our consent agenda Those are items three through 23 on our agenda All items will be acted upon in one motion unless an item is pulled by a council member for further discussion Are there any items that council members would like to pull at this time council member Glover? Items five item six item Seven there's a question item 10 item 17 item 19 item 20 and item 21 And item seven is pulled or you have a question Which is a question for clarification. So you're not pulling item seven Are there any other items that are going to be pulled from the council Consent agenda council member come Item number four the minutes of our special meeting Okay So we have items four five six 10 17 19 20 and 21 pulled I'm going to go ahead and just sort of note that for the purposes of managing this meeting And the content of our full agenda that if we go over a certain period of time I will postpone I will take public comment for any of the consent agenda's Items, but then postpone them until either the end if we have time before Around six or six fifteen To rehear them or after our evening agenda to hear them at that time So we'll go ahead and have what up to around 340 I'm sorry 245 or so to get to as many items At which time then we'll have public comment and then revisit them at later in the agenda So we'll go ahead and start with item number four council member crown actually before we do pause I'll move the remaining items on the content of them before we do before we okay So we have a council member brown motion to remove the remaining items seconded by vice mayor Cummings And then before we do we had a question for item number seven by council member Glover. This would be the time Great. Yeah. So there was just some confusion within the public about item seven and what the Changing of the budget and allocations percentages the GAN limit So could you could just explain it for the people watching at home that may have no idea what that means That's a high bar to explain this Yeah, but it's essentially meant to make sure we don't exceed our tax base It's meant to be a limit on what we can spend not what we should spend So it's meant to be an upper limit on what we can spend based on our tax base So it's just merely a a checkoff box that was implemented in 1979 to make sure government agencies don't overspend Thank you All right, so we have a motion by council member brown seconded by vice mayor Cummings That's for our consent agenda items other than item four five six 10 17 19 20 and 21 Does any member of the community want to address us on any of those items? Good evening. I'm Scott. I work good afternoon. I'm Scott Graham I think it was item 17 that I wanted to address I'm going to go ahead and pause you item 17 has been polled. So you have an opportunity. Oh, I thought you wanted No problem. So this is for any other item other than item four five six 10 17 19 20 and 21 Okay, seeing none. We'll go ahead and return to council for action All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously So we'll go to item number four council member chrome Thank you mayor. Um, this has to do with uh, a meeting We had Was it um, it was our special meeting In uh, Dela vega park item number three. Excuse me. It was item number three. I didn't mean four item number three And it was just it just briefly in our in our council handbook It does talk about how I mean i'm disappointed all the time about how minutes aren't aren't kept and But it does say in in our council member handbook the minutes of the city count of the council shall be kept By the city clerk administrator and shall be recorded in a file kept for that purpose With a record of each particular type of business Transacted by the council set off by paragraphs with subheadings the city clerk administrator Should also be required to make a record only of such business as was actually passed by a vote of the council And shall be required to make verbatim transcript or proceedings a record shall be made of the names of persons addressing the council and i'll stop there and The item number three that our special meeting was not videotaped and there was I don't know Seven eight nine people who members of the public who spoke to the council on that occasion And not only was it not videotaped the names of the folks was not written down. We're not written down and what they talked about Of wasn't recorded either and I just want to Put my scent in for that and I hope that we do better in the future and get those names Of the public who went to the you know the trouble of going attending the meeting up in dale a vega park and registering Concerns with the council about our strategic plan. Thank you comes from a clever Yeah, I think accurate minutes and recollections so that people from the public and as well as us And as colleagues are able to look back and understand What happened and who happened and where happened? I recently found an error in a previous Minutes as well, which I brought to the attention so I'm not sure if it would be In the form of a motion that we would give specific instructions to how Minutes are kept. I mean it's in the handbook, which is very explicit. It sounds like there So maybe we could understand why that meeting wasn't captured in minutes and Whose responsibility that was Yes, so with respect to these types of meetings, which is the the council retreat Historically we what we do is because it's first of all It's a special meeting where no final action is taken by the city council one two. It's an off-site retreat So we don't have all the infrastructure and facilities that we have it here at the council chamber to record televised all of that third we hire a consultant who Through the process records and in fact, we have very detailed outline of everything that happened at the meeting in an agenda item That would be for you later on this afternoon so the The recording process is pretty extensive of what happened No final decisions are made that'll come back to you in the form of minutes and a forms of actions And which again is scheduled on your meeting this afternoon So these meetings are just a little different because it's a retreat. It's an off-site and the city clerk Does not attend the meetings. It's just staff with the consultant and we rely on the consultant to help to Create the notes typically it's charts tables that are created at the meeting So that's the context of this meeting. It's very different than your typical meeting that we have here at the city council So Potential resolution could be if we decide we want to do something different in the future then we could potentially see how that would look In advance. Sure. Absolutely. I mean if you want more detail minutes of them, we can we can do that Normally, we have not had a lot of public comments at these at these meetings So that we tend to focus on the council work as far as the note taking is concerned But we can certainly do more extensive ones of the public if the council wishes us to do that Councilmember Geller So might a motion to adopt these minutes But give specific instruction for any off-site Meetings to be audio recorded with an audio device because I mean all it takes I mean just from my experience a phone in the middle of the table can capture Basically all the conversation that happens in the room or live streaming it's through A laptop so that people can see what's going on or something But I mean there are ways that we can keep and capture the information even if it's off-site Even if the clerk isn't around so is that something that you think would make it easier if you had that kind of direction or If I could maybe just offer I think if since we don't have anything calendar at this time The next time something is calendar we can have a discussion about how we might want to capture it more Holistically at that time, but since we have nothing because calendar I don't know if we necessarily have to go into the details of what that could look like at this moment In the interest of time Okay, council member Myers. I'm just going to move to I believe four was pulled so we haven't approved that so I'll move item number four Approval second. All right any further discussion Okay, and I'll go ahead and see if any member of the community wanted to address us on item number three since that was Incorporated into our consent agenda Mr. Norrish to have up to two minutes. Council members members of the community It's really important I think for those who can't or don't want to or unable to attend the council meetings or the retreats to have as convenient an access to what happened And looking at the minutes How they've been treated generally both of the city council and in this particular case You don't find much in the way of anything that the public says other than they spoke on the item They spoke against the item they spoke for the item. This dates back to mayor rotkin and his attempt to streamline the process But for me streamlining tends to mean Excluding the public and moving right beyond and essentially to some extent rubber stamping staff recommendations Which may or may not be good depending upon the recommendation So I would encourage council members to First of all not to wait until the next special session When that might or might not be dealt with depending on the preferences of the mayor But to do so, you know in an open council meeting to make these changes so that the public does have this power To actually review what's happened at a council meeting and to hear what their fellow members of the public actually said on these issues Now it's true That for most council meetings Whenever there isn't a defective material Our defective recording material you you get this although that's not always the case and I try to keep a record of these kinds of proceedings myself but Having it summarized can be very helpful Because who wants to listen to four and a half hours? I'm sure nobody does or longer periods of time Going through it once is enough. I'm sure for the council and for the community, but for those who haven't been there It presents. I think a burden and I think it's appropriate to have extended To re to revisit and to once more have decent minutes for these council meetings. Thank you So we're going to now move to item number four since item number three was already moved We had a motion by council member meyer seconded by council member crown vice mayor Cummings Just wanted to maybe make a recommendation that we look into Purchasing or the price the costs around purchasing Technologies that we can transport for the for recording City council meetings off-site. I know that this has come up with regards to holding city council meetings in the civic And I feel that since it's come up a number of times it might be worth us looking into Just how much it would cost for us to have portable recording devices and technologies I don't know if you I my understanding that was something that was already being explored at this time Is that not accurate? Yeah with respect to the civic auditorium Yeah, we can look into the council wishes to do that Okay Do we have a motion and vote for three? We we had a three was voted upon with the majority of the consent agenda items So we're now revisiting four so uh-huh Okay All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously So we'll move on to item number five before we move on I think it would be good since you said if it's the council's wishes, but there was no direct specific direction So would you like a direction to explore audiovisual solutions to off-site? I sense that there was a consensus from the council to do that so Okay, I just want to make sure I took that as uh that you'd want me to do that. So, okay Thanks So item number five was polled. I'm not quite sure by who okay councilmember glover. Yes. Thank you. So This was something that was a little disconcerting to me just in the sense of the partnership And who we're in partnership with now it is incredibly important for us to have Medical services for people that are experiencing homelessness or who are of too low income to pay for it But there are some issues with the partner that has been named in this memorandum of understanding specifically dignity and dominican health for two primary reasons the first Well in question to their their care of poor people What are you can turn to the? article from july 1st 2018 2019 talking about something that took place in january of 2018. I believe where dominican Discharged and nearly naked homeless man and the Title of that article as late night santa cruz hospital discharge of nearly naked homeless man riles community so This is an issue that is facing Different municipalities all over the place with regards to hospitals Discharging people because they aren't feeling that they're required to provide shelter So there's that first issue of the potential abuse of low income and People experiencing homelessness, but also the issue with dominican and dignity health and their labor relations And the difficulty that their union workers have had in acquiring Fair working wages and negotiations with management. So those are two really big issues I have with continuing a memorandum of understanding with this specific group In conversations with representatives from the catch It seems like it would make more sense to have it go through the catch to look at potential partnerships with dominican as we see in other cities like portland, oregon where Health care facilities actually pay into a program that opens up beds That's run by the county or the city and that there takes the load off of those facilities for their medical aid and or Sheltering of people that are recovering from different medical issues so I would Make the motion to table this item While we while more research is being done in maximizing the positive impacts of our health care system and those experiencing Homelessness with the most efficient use of funds and approach dominican and dignity health To partner or coordinate with the catch to explore ways to Maximize the resources including hospital community benefits and obligations We have a motion by councilmember clever. I'll just go ahead and say one thing Second and then we have a second by councilmember crone This was something that was sent over to our office. I think back in january was not that was overlooked for some reason And is essentially allowing them to access funding to support their mobile van And caring for the financially challenged patients and other community activities that they perform I don't think that having us support that work precludes any Future future conversations we may want to have in terms of partnership But I think having our partnership in this regard will only allow more access for better for more services or for a continuation of services That they provide at this time. So I won't be supporting the motion. I think it's uh, it's really appropriate for us to support this mou Count councilmember brown and then vice mayor coming Yeah, I um I agree with the concerns expressed by councilmember clever I also have concerns about not having an alternative in place And so I think that both could be happening. I think approving this now And having that conversation and and referring this to the catch is a good idea. So I'll be um As as uh currently, um stated I can't support the motion, but I'm definitely interested in moving ahead with uh idea I shared those same sentiments, but I was also going to ask What the timeline is for um, this mou db process because what I would hate to see is that we delay passing this and then Dominicans not eligible for the funding and then we lose the funding and the ability for our community to provide the services They're needed for my understanding from them is they'd like to have this approved as soon as possible This is not the request that we've uh had every year And so when I first came in there was a question as to the first request came for the city manager to sign it So we had to do a bit of analysis as to what level of authority or authorization it was needed So there was a work to do that and then it was determined that from a legal perspective that we needed to bring it to council So that's why it's been brought forward to the city council but again, it strictly relates to The hospital's interest in being able to Access these federal funds to address indigent care, which is completely separate than you know the labor or community relations issues Councilmember mires and then councilmember clever Yeah, I won't support them the motion and I am concerned that That the cash is becoming a parking place for A variety of different things that I don't think the intent of our our process as we outlined it I appreciate the interest and I think You know if we need to have dialogue with dominican hospital on you know care of of Both residents as well as county county residents We can do that But to put a citizens committee in charge of figuring out how to provide medical care for underserved populations in our city it just is It's it it I'm just kind of curious is how you can do that with a citizen committee that is not Staffed with without membership of professional qualifications that can make those decisions. So I'm not going to support the motion And I I'd like to see us pass this so that we can get care for for our residents Councilmember clever and then councilmember brown matthews and then I'm going to open it up to public comment So I always find it strange when these items come To council when they were submitted Months ago six months ago now That somehow got overlooked and now need to be passed immediately or otherwise the funding is going to be lost Uh, we have a tool in which to negotiate with dominican right now to either expand their care Make a statement that they will not discharge people in the middle of the night half naked especially those that are experiencing homelessness and Get a statement on their perspective of union labor and how they're going to respect their workers I About out of everyone on the dais I think you can understand that I care about the Service of medical care to people that are experiencing homelessness, but not in just signing a Memorandum of understanding so that a group can get funding and then Are currently practicing in the oppression of people experiencing homelessness. So Yes, it can happen simultaneously where we can pass this and then we can open up into negotiations with dominican But why are we giving dominican something that they want without Having some very specific guidelines as to what it is that we need to be able to cosign as partners and with regards With regards to the catch There are so many things that were pushed into the catch as a what you call I forget the term that was used But a storage facility a holding pattern whatever it might be We have people that are defecated on the streets and yet we're having the catch analyze bathroom access We have people dying in the woods and yet we have them analyzing safe sleeping places. So I have no idea how asking them to open up a dialogue with dominican to see if there was a potential for a partnership between city Entities and the the hospitals to be able to Increase medical care for people experiencing homelessness and how that would happen is that there are people Experiencing homelessness on the catch So we'll be able to hear their perspective as to their experience with getting medical care and emergency situations Their networks and how they've experienced medical care in those situations and their feelings on dominican Which I don't know if anyone has been asked from the population of people experiencing homelessness how they feel about dominican and a potential memorandum understanding with the City it's it is it blows my mind a lot of times, but that's okay Okay, uh councilmember brown and then councilmember matt Yeah, I just was wanted to make the comment that I I also don't consider the catch a catch all space for um You know anything that we don't we're not dealing with here or things that we might want to deal with but can't get around I I totally understand that concern I think in this case the reason that I suggested or agree that it might be a good idea is because I think we're already asking them To do some kind of inventorying and Developing an understanding of the services that are available for unhoused people in our community So indigent care is part of that and it just seems like it makes sense in that specifically about this, but I I hear you councilmember matthews Just as this moves forward there are some other entities that I think should be brought into the discussion of how to improve Health care available to um those experiencing homelessness particularly the Continuum of care group at the county level and the health improvement partnership which have a lot of experience in this and really Work hard to coordinate for most effective care with the available resources Okay, we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment I'll bring back to the council It's any member of the community want to address the council on item number five on our agenda Okay, you'll have up to two minutes Hey, my name's surge Hope you had a good summer vacation and stuff like that And I'm a member of the catch too, and I don't want everything dumped on the catch And I don't want to be telling people how to do medical care beyond my knowledge either The reason that this one is something that's interesting SB 1152 was passed last year and it was implemented Hospitals had to implement it as of july 1st and it's said for discharge planning of homeless people They had to have a discharge plan. They had to give them some Weather appropriate clothing medication make sure they were connected with the hospital and sending them to appropriate Shelter that they would actually be eligible for other counties and other hospitals talk about like set somebody up for a week or two Little frustrating and I worked winter shelter and middle of the night emergency room Just sending somebody over and the person needs more medical care than we can deal with and doesn't really put any Energy into that. I understand it falls on them to have to deal with it because No other agency has to deal with the homeless, but the law says the hospitals do So if the city could make some sort of negotiation Whether they put some funding like they they put large money into the rcc is one of their services But whether they help supplant help pay for some beds and the shelters or help do something It just seems that Since there's not a timeline that I've heard for the mo u that this is a good time to have that negotiation And we do know of there have been dumping situations even in sanikers not to say anything against the staff there I like the social workers there and stuff, but it falls on them to do something that's very hard that they can't do So it just seems like we should try to partner with them for that right Council member is community. I'm with huff homeless united for friendship and freedom We've covered And received reports about dominican for 25 years some of them good some of them bad But the issue here it seems to me that a direct question of the city manager got the run around You know is there is there a a deadline date that requires you to rush into this today? Apparently not unless I misheard what martin was saying So you have that option to look into it for the reasons that have been described It seemed to me that the council likes to do a lot of talking about issues like shelter and care and resources for homeless people I mean to me catch is a way of talking this thing to death as well Although I think there's some damn good people on it and they're trying to say some honest things And I think you should be listening to them But I saw this process 20 years ago with the homeless issues task force, which I called the hopeless icky task farce because What it was was it was a diversion of community attention from real issues that and good recommendations came out But they were never acted on by the city council So as far as health care goes You know, I would simply reiterate What has been said before by several folks and hopefully will be voted on by progressives on this council that It's time to Use what power you have to get the changes that state law now allows you Thank you All right, we'll go ahead and bring it back to council So I'll just go ahead and reiterate that this was brought to our attention as something that wasn't That is time sensitive. It's my understanding without having representation I don't have the actual documentation to confirm that but it was my understanding that this was something that they hope to have in place A lot sooner. So I would be That would be my assumption. So I think time is of the essence here. And so I wouldn't I would support I will not support the motion on the floor and would support the mou at this time Further discussion. We had councilmember matthews glover and brown Quickly, I won't be supporting the motion on the floor. Um, I would like to uh, then propose a motion Um authorizing the mou but also requesting a report from dominican on the status of their discharge planning for homeless persons and Surge wherever you are. You can give us the name of the bill. You know what it is So then we actually do get a report back and it does bring to their attention that we're concerned about this councilmember glover So what is the timeline associated with mou? My understanding from then is they would like this to be done as soon as possible because I think it's delaying their Ability to access the funds right now. That's my understanding from them from the correspondence that we received They didn't give me a specific date Just that they need it right away And I think they did follow up with the mayor as well and that was the indications from them So that's what's bothering to me is that there's no Information you said they they hope that it gets taken care of at some point They'd like for it to be taken care of you think that they're not having access to the money But if we're about to sign a memorandum of understanding shouldn't we understand what the timeline is and especially with regards to What's available to us? I just don't understand why we're not asking these questions Well, I would say that the first time this is brought to my attention was yesterday, you know So we haven't had any time to do this. I mean when this was what put forward It was seen as an administrative item again trying to provide funding this question of These other questions and that's something that's been brought to my attention I had no no clue no idea that anybody would have any concern until yesterday So if council members had let me know ahead of time that you had concerns about that Maybe I could have answered those questions or given me more time to do it So that's a problem as well. So I would appreciate that so again We put it on as quickly as we could Again, not anticipating the issues that we had known about it. We would have answered the question So again, there's no intent here to try to circumvent anything or to try to manipulate anything or not provide Due to the information that you had, you know, we presented it with all the information that we had Based on the on the request and to hear before you Okay So just a Point or a question for clarification We have a motion and a second and we have a Another motion no second What if that was that a substitute motion? Why don't we go ahead and take the week? Yeah, let's go ahead. I just want to because I have a question for the maker of that motion when the time comes Okay, we'll go ahead and take the vote all those in favor of not approving the mo U with dominican hospital at this time as presented by the motion of councilmember glover seconded by councilmember chrome Please say aye. I Opposed no Okay, so that fails with councilmember chrome and glover voting in support and the remainder of us voting against So councilmember matthews. Do you want to restate the such the other motion that you had? Yes, I'd like to move through recommendation that we authorize the mo u at dominican hospital and we also Direct the staff to request from dominican A report to the city council on the status of their discharge planning for homeless individuals I'll go again. Okay. We have a motion by councilmember matthews seconded by Councilmember mires question by councilmember brown Did I see a hand kept question by councilmember chrome? Would the maker of the motion be willing to put Request for a report back by a specific date for example our first meeting in october sure. Oh gosh. Yes. Yeah, okay I mean, I'm just thinking to give them time. I mean, I don't know how long I'll take them to get the money It can be sooner if they can get it They're two different things one is to approve the mo u and the other is to get a report back on the status Of their discharge planning so so that they should be able to do pretty quickly Okay, so I'd like to include a date certain for them to You know within okay within a month great and also in light of the comments We received from the public Would the maker of the motion be willing to include a request as part of that request for information about discharge planning um a request that They that dominican Have a conversation with the city about support for um, you know some kind of partnership with shelters as You know along the lines of what other communities have done That's getting into territory that I don't know enough about I should think that would be part of the discharge planning. Let me just say In the report on discharge planning that it include their relationships with local shelters. Does that sound Sure, I sure I would what I would like is for them to understand that This is a burden on our the shelters. I mean we've heard it and it you know I don't have any reason to believe that's not the case and that it um, we would like to use this opportunity to Do more than just ask them for information, but really encourage them to So, you know asking for the plan I want to just make sure that we have there's something in there that makes clear We'd like to have a conversation about that potential for a partnership. Um, I'd like to leave the motion pretty clean that we request a report on their discharge planning for Homeless patients, uh, including the relationship with local shelters and just leave it at that But I think when we get that then that Can raise the issue for our participation in the continuum of care and the local health and improvement partnership I think that's where that conversation continues. We're not going to do a whole lot of medical negotiating So I think that it'll make the point Is that okay? I can work with that. Okay councilmember cone Yeah, I had a question. Um, you had uh councilmember Brown you talked about sending it to the community advisory committee on homelessness Well, I I I said that I was you know that that was an interesting idea for to me I don't know that I um want to ask the maker of the motion for another Request to be included, but um, I'm you know, I mean it would be great if the catch had Some wanted to weigh in when they have an opportunity about the Potential, you know the kind of the range of services that are available for indigent You know health related services for indigent population. Um, but I don't I don't have to do that at this moment In the interest of um, yeah Moving us along I'm wondering if we can have our staff explore whether or not There's an opportunity as they start to get into the work that they're doing at the cash level To integrate this into their work as well And I know I'm sure staff would be willing to listen to the conversation that ensued here to use that to hopefully Determine how that could fit into the cash. I know that they're just beginning also Is that still I think it would certainly fit into the context of when you're discussing the system and services Um, there's also some analysis that's being done with the county the study that they're doing as it relates to services So there's a lot of work in this topic in general that the cash is going to be doing in any case This is just one narrow piece of it. So they'll get that Advice coming. I'd just like to make the recommendation that the report that comes from dominican Also go to the catch for their ability to review and and then take into consideration Okay, does the city clerk have the motion at this time Or do you need the motion restate in We can go ahead and restate. Why don't we go ahead and restate the motion? Councillor matthews. Yeah, um move to authorize the mo you with dominican as recommended on item five um, and also request of dominican A report on the status of their discharge planning for homeless patients including the relationship with local shelters And that that report be shared with other interested parties locally At the first meeting of october I don't know if it necessarily needs to be an item but around before october Okay, all those in favor, please say aye any opposed. Okay, that passes unanimously um We're going to go ahead and we are going to go ahead and take public comment for the remainder of our consent agenda items Then we're going to go ahead and postpone council deliberation and action on those items until after our afternoon agenda And if there's not adequate time, then we'll go ahead and postpone them to our evening session So we'll go ahead and see if any member of the community would like to address the council on items number six 10 17 19 20 And 21 at this time We're going to go ahead and take public comment on this at this time And we're not going to have public we're not going to go into the details of the staff reports on each and of those individual items Well, that's how we're going to do it today. So if anybody would like to speak on items number six 10 17 19 20 and 21 You're welcome to do so and please come forward. You have up to two minutes Okay, item number six the endorsing the bad green new deal I'm not for it The the green new deal is the worst piece of legislation to have been crafted in my memory The trillions to unimaginable trillions cost is astronomical. The benefit's not assured It's more about money and social change than the environment do not endorse it There is no reliable replacement for carbon energy that makes up 80 percent of our energy needs except perhaps nuclear But nuclear isn't part of the green new deal. It is reliable energy I mean Carbon is reliable energy that transforms a hostile environment into a less hostile environment The last I checked the sun doesn't shine the wind doesn't blow all the time Renewable energy makes up less than 5 percent of power despite decades of subsidy and research No country is this stupid anywhere in the world There is considerable evidence that there are other factors like galactic cosmic rays that can fluctuate by 50 percent That account for cloud formation and global warming. There's considerable evidence climate has always changed and this may be no different There is considerable ice core evidence the earth has had much higher temperatures and much higher cot levels And it did not lead to runaway temperatures There is considerable evidence of a greening the size of north america that is due to the increased co2 in the last few decades And the earth is trying to rebalance itself The environmental wackos called for the end of the earth by the year 2000 back in the 90s And we're still here. No country sank under the seas in 12 years. We'll still be here We should prepare for what we know sea levels are rising so far 5 to 8 inches in the last 120 years Using worst-case scenarios of 10 to 15 times that for the next 100 years is hysteria Equally presumptive is the idea of man's ability to control climate as a sure thing The prudent thing is to do is to prepare modestly for rising seas while the science is being sorted out Crazies like AOC are removed from office for mental incompetence and perhaps other more reliable energy sources are found This is really about money and social change for the worst by an anti-american socialist Okay, thanks My name is lee brokaw and I am speaking as a member of the aclu I've been working on being able to say that out loud since five o'clock this morning And just got a revised script that I am to read While I was sitting here The aclu of northern california and your local chapter are in support of ab 516 AB 516 is designated to curtail poverty toes and unjust practice where people lose their cars and RVs Because they cannot afford to pay parking tickets and when their vehicles are towed cannot afford to get them back Cars are a vital lifeline. Don't go away Cars are a vital lifeline that people depend on to get to work pick up their kids and provide their families For those who live in RVs losing their vehicle means losing their home and contributes to homelessness I have sent Three things electronically two things from the aclu Third copy And I urge you To not send the letter in opposition Good afternoon. I'm brett garrett. I just want to speak strongly in favor of item six the green new deal resolution um It's been 90 degrees in anchorage. There's lightning near the north pole Things are getting bad and we as a city need to do all we can I'm going to keep my comments very short because I know you have a lot on your plates But please support the green new deal and please anything you can do to strengthen it and make it more Especially the social justice aspects of the green new deal anything you can do to strengthen it would be great. Thank you My name is raw fail. I'm I'm speaking in opposition to item 17 I'm uh, recommending this council Support a b 5 5 16 Not only should Santa Cruz be supporting not condemning this bill, but we should be proactively following its sound principles as public policy Poverty related toes are not a tool our city needs to wield according to Information collected by the western center on law and poverty Data from three diverse california municipalities showed that toes Toad vehicles are usually sold for at least $2,000 less than the towing storage and lean fees that have accrued Santa Cruz should not be enforcing money losing often Unconstitutional policies to punish the most vulnerable members of our community when they're already down on their luck Poverty related toes drive people into debt Impact low-income workers ability to retain or seek employment Make it harder for people to move off of public assistance Make it harder for people to access public benefits reduce access to education and limit housing opportunities Of course poverty related toes also significantly affect those who live in their vehicles this report I mentioned Notes a recent study by the economic roundtable in los angeles found that although one third of all homeless people live in their vehicles Only one sixth of people who were homeless or for over a year live in their vehicles In other words after a year of homelessness an individual was Was significantly more likely to be living in a tent than in the vehicle The report linked this trend to the frequency with which unsheltered people lose their vehicles due to debt Debt collection and registration toes Santa Cruz should be condoning policies that help lift people out of poverty and homelessness Not policies that push people into the streets at the taxpayer's expense This procedure removes Two minutes of time for speech for every person on individual items Which is guaranteed by your rules of procedure But the mayor has again unilaterally decided first of all to eliminate all staff presentations for the benefit of the public Indicating to me pretty clearly. She doesn't want to hear from the public If she's got problems with the agenda, I would encourage her to extend the session you know, uh, you know just Get it together and have an additional council meeting if necessary The fact of the matter is the public is the priority here and fair and honest discussion of these items is the priority here We have how many items? 5 6 7 10 17 19 20 and 21 These are individual items have been pulled from the consent agenda properly And instead of getting to hear from staff or being given two minutes to speak on an item Everyone is being shoved together Rushed through and away we go with the latest Decisions of the mayor I would encourage that some member of this council Respect the process that we're supposed to have here instead of supinely going along with this With regard to the particular item that I came to speak on and it was only one It's really clear that the police department has presented no evidence that uh, you need to continue these severe parking restrictions that are in fact resulting in lots of conflict against homeless people And putting more people on the streets out of their vehicles And it's I think it was it's very articulately put by your the previous speaker who has also sent you a letter on this item And I would encourage you not to disgrace yourselves by signing on to this If you have any respect for the rights of homeless people and poor people with vehicles And renters. I mean people who just don't have the money to pay this kind of stuff Thank you Hello, i'm susan cavallieri. I would um Urge you to support the green new deal And let the congress know the that you are in favor of it. We are currently facing a very severe situation with fires in the arctic circle which cause feedback loops of dark Soot falling on the ice Allowing the ice to absorb more of the heat from the sun as the ice melts the dark water absorbs more heat We have a a situation that's becoming a a situation where we are going to lose our future And we have to act now if we're going to have any Um any kind of a life for our children. Thank you Thank you My name is carol long and I represent the planning committee of the santa cruz climate action network Which has an email list of about a thousand and reaches many more I just want to read One of those You can go ahead and pause your time Council members to come together to support the green new deal resolution presented by drew govern at today's meeting The aims of the green new deal that he is Proposing is to craft a resolution that would endorse the green new deal on the National level to help guide our future policies in order to better our government Decrease our reliance on fossil fuels while simultaneously creating green new jobs to help those of us to help us in those endeavors The resolution would support climate mitigation which means preventing climate change through a social justice lens By prioritizing the security of our most vulnerable Communities, this is from drew's newsletter drew aims to implement these goals at the local level by achieving net Zero greenhouse gas emissions through a just transition for all community members He wants to protect and preserve our city in a manner that provides everyone equal access to nature He wants to restore and redeem marginalized and indigenous communities of Santa Cruz That have been severely affected by historical oppression He also wants to ensure economic security by creating high wage green new jobs That will enable this transition to happen The local resolution would endorse us representative. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez green new deal and the which is in the house um and the senate resolution 109 by senator ed markey Drawing in local community members and leaders to help create our local version of a green new deal. Thank you very much. Thank you We have one more speaker before go ahead I'm here to express strong support for the green new deal resolution It fits wonderfully with the mayor's health in all policies because That's what it's about There will be no health if we in the future if we don't address this issue and it addresses various um people problems employment etc etc And it's really the only way forward. What's rather sad is that um, a lot of the city staff seem to believe the only way forward is Business as usual But cities countries around the world are demonstrating that they can turn in a totally green direction set up all kinds And people love it. First of all the businesses say, oh, we're not quite sure and then after a while the businesses say Hey, this is attracting new business. This is what we want So Somehow we have to get the city staff To look at something different than business as usual and to realize that for any future We have to look at a different future. Thank you Hey again, I'll just go ahead and pause the time here surge. Are you speaking on behalf of a group here? Are you needing the full four minutes at this time? I'm not going to need the whole four minutes Okay, so we'll go ahead and maybe give you three. Does that sound good since you're requested in bed Are you okay with the four and I'm not going to use it. Okay. Well, we do go ahead and I'll honor the acceptance. Okay, go ahead Um Asking to the council to vote in opposition of ab 516 I went and talked to the assembly member mark stone's office on friday And he had originally voted for it before there was any issue of it And then there was there's lots of issue about it There's lots of politics about it and he went to the sheriff's office and said do you guys have any issue with it? Sheriff's office said it doesn't stop us from doing any of the abandonment towing that we want to be doing I think the Complication the confusion is whether we're talking about abandoned vehicles or we're talking about homeless people's vehicles For abandoned things the ab 516 gives exceptions anybody breaking a law blocking a roadway all of the things that we talk about for the dumping and the needle the sewage and All of those kind of things those are still breaking the law kind of things and still towable things But we're talking the specifics is about poor people who can't pay their tickets And if we tow their car And then charge them put a lien on it to tow their car Well, we're talking hundreds and hundreds and we're getting up to 500 and a thousand But then they're going to be in our shelter system Or they're just going to be wandering the streets and stuff because we have a very limited shelter system So i'm not saying anything about okay to criminal behavior. I'm saying find other ways to do it other than money We've already california has already voted against cash for bail We've already voted against taking people's driver's license for needing tickets to make it more of a money thing Makes it they they can't fix it and we're just going to have to deal with them in a different way Thanks Good afternoon. I'm scott graham. Um, I would I'd like you to sign on to the new green new deal and direct the city manager and all department heads to Come up with a plan to implement it As far as the two Caterpillar devices you're going to purchase I would also Like you to send a letter to the caterpillar company And telling them to stop harassing local cafes that have the word cat in the title of their Uh, you know if you're going to buy something from them, you should tell them you don't like their harassment of our local cafes As far as uh Number 17 goes I think you should be in support of this resolution Instead of opposing it Um, you should support the AB 516 Because it's it's basically stealing it's like authorizing The government to steal people's property and to force people, you know people that live in their vehicles End up losing their vehicles oftentimes they Not collect the money fast enough and as the impound fees grow daily They're just continually getting behind on the amount of money they need to raise in order to get their vehicle back I had a friend one time that had a he was a silversmith He had all of his equipment in his van It got towed for non-payment of tickets And by the time he got his van back all of his silversmithing equipment was gone And even though he tried to file charges against the tow yard, they claimed they had nothing to do with it And it went nowhere So I think stop stealing people's vehicles All right So i'm not seeing any other members of the community interested in addressing the council at this time again We're on our consent agenda. We have item 6 10 17 19 20 and 21 polled We're going to go ahead and Pause council action on those items until after our conclusion of our afternoon agenda And then revisit them at which time we won't take any public comment Mr. Dettel, we'll go ahead and have did you have a I just had one comment We have some representatives from uh enterprise here offer item 21 So if there's a question that would be directed to them if we could get that answered and they could then take off That would be great and we can have the discussion about that later Otherwise I can answer the questions if it's directed to the to the department I would just sort of encourage our council if they have any specific questions For general practice to get those answered in advance For today's purposes in the interest of time if there's any short questions We'll go ahead and have maybe another few minutes for questions But then we need to move on to our agenda as we have a very full agenda Did you have a short question comes from your government? Yeah, apple 21 It gets back to and this would make more sense if we were going chronologically through the Agenda since we're about to discuss the endorsement of the green new deal But we have two purchases of tractors and then This open and lease so my main question was are the vehicles that we're getting through the open and lease electric fusion flex vehicles or Fossil fuel burning it could be all three we have a lot of flexibility on that and so it really I can deal with that, but the the lease allows us to have that flexibility And it's an open end. So if we secure a vehicle It's a five-year term But we can shorten that if a newer vehicle comes up that makes it more effective for us to do that And we have that opportunity so that this provides us that flexibility instead of purchasing those vehicles outright Right, that's that's fantastic. And then do we have any guidelines on the preferential or prioritization of electric or flex fuel vehicles in the that would be a department that we could We could talk about that. I don't think that's an inter that's not a contract issue So right well, I'm just I mean I just want to make sure that if we're going and getting into a contract that There are clear stipulations within the departments that we're going to be structuring Primary focus on using electric and non fossil fuel burning the vehicles and that's that was the main point And like I said, it would make more sense if we had done number six first And then we could talk about how our values play into The agreements that we have with car leasing companies and the acquisition of fossil fuel tractors. So No, I I think all of these work in that direction um, the details can be worked out as we go forward, but the um The purchase of the specific vehicles depends on the demand of the of the department that's requesting it Does it meet their needs? Are they're charging capacity available? Does it have the range those type of questions? So that's what we would evaluate. Okay. Thank you. Uh, so then I'll just move I guess we're likely move item 21 to Do the contract Okay, okay motion by council member clever seconded by council member Matthews Council member come I'm just wondering Mr. Jettl if we could get a list of vehicles that could be I mean, I'm not sure what the criteria are And how does that? Happen and you know does enterprise say we have this number of vehicles that we could give you that are electric or that are even hybrid Uh, what is the process? That's what I'm not understanding And that's what my intent was with my email to you also just try to try to figure out this process a little more and understand it from the council Uh perspective given our endorsement or maybe of the Green New Deal today. Let me give you an example Currently, I know there's interest in the hybrid police interceptors They currently aren't available to us and we won't be able to get them enterprise has access to those vehicles We'll be able to bring them online Sooner than than we can so that provides us that capability We have to provide the charging infrastructure in place at the PD so that we can accommodate that But this is a tool that we can use to implement some of these These vehicles and this technology faster than what we could do if we purchased it And then the technology changes and then we're behind the curve on that So anyway, it allows us to stretch our dollars faster moving in that direction Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you. Mayor. We have a motion by council member clever seconded by council member Matthews Yes further discussion Very quickly this in a way mirrors some of the discussion we had at budget time about vehicle and fleet purchases and so forth and It's my impression that we had some kind of a policy direction Maybe it's in our climate action plan that our intention was to move towards fuel efficient and alternative fuel to the extent that those vehicles met the operational needs of Of the department or so forth. I don't need to go into it now, but Um, I think that's what you're looking for as we make purchase and lease agreements. We always go to most fuel efficient On non Petroleum in our fleet policy, right. Okay vice mayor coming She had a quick question around the the timeline of the contract I was just wondering what the what that timeline is going to be because I would imagine that right now it would likely be easier to get and to Go along with this lease agreement so we can get some of these hybrids online But later down the road it might be more beneficial for us to purchase vehicles as they become cheaper So I was just curious what the timeline on this contract. We have the flexibility. It's an annual contract that we can continue to to To extend if we want and so that gives us the flexibility They also have the capability of taking these vehicles back and selling them at a higher value Then we can sell them when we when we take them back and provide that towards the next lease So I think it's it's definitely a better way for us to leverage our our dollars Thank you. Okay. So all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously Okay, so we're going to go ahead and postpone action on item 6 10 17 19 20 until after our afternoon agenda and if time will do it then if not, we'll Go ahead and handle those in the evening. So we're going to move on to item number 24 and What is next is a consent public hearing and these are items 24 through 26 on our agenda And I'm wondering if there are any council members who would like to poll the items council member brown 25, please Okay, item number 25 is pulled by council member brown Are there any comments on items 24 and 26 then at this time? Seeing none Actually, can I make one quick comment on item 24 or 26 on item 24 on my way here today Um, I just happened to talk to three people who you know asked me what was on the agenda and specifically mentioned Each parking parking meter rates and asked why we were keeping them so low. I just had to say it But I I fully support moving ahead, but It seemed to be the consensus on my street and heading to downtown from the east side Thank you for that And then um, we'll have an opportunity for members of the community to speak to item number 25 And um item number 24 and 26 will be acted on as one motion and one item Unless there is a member of the community who would like to see that separated Okay Seeing none, we'll go ahead and look for a motion for items number 24 and 26 and postpone Item 25 for further discretion council member mires and then council member glover So I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve items 24 and 26 second So we have a motion by council member mires seconded by council member glover Is there any member of the community who would like to dress us on item number 24 or 26 on our consent public hearing? Okay Seeing none all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously At this time, we'll go ahead and revisit item number 25 on our consent public hearing agenda and I'll go ahead and ask our staff to Provide some context in this for this item Is that our planning? There isn't usually for second reading. Oh, okay. It's a consent. Yeah Is okay, so then if Brown has any questions for staff, I guess at this time with that correct Well, um, I don't have any specific questions. We received some information about some additional Work that had been done to look at how other communities are handling these These ordinances and Um So if there is a if staff wants to say anything about that For you know the benefit of the the council or our members of the community I welcome hearing about that But I specifically wanted to revisit some of the language In the ordinance and provide some direction about perhaps returning at a future date to Finalize this I realize this is a second reading But we've received a lot of information since that first reading and You know, so I think that it warrants a broader conversation It given the time You know, well, we'll see we'll see how that goes But if if staff wants to say anything about Any other additional information that you've provided to us or received then go ahead and do that If not, then I'd like to hear from the public and then I have some comments to make about amendments Okay, we'll go ahead and see if staff has any Mike fairy with planning You did all receive a memorandum from the city attorney's office state of the 13th. Okay As long as you saw that all Well, why don't we go ahead then and turn it to public comment on this on this item This is item number 25 of our consent public hearing And I received a request from emf aware and I believe that as doctor You'll be speaking as the representative of that organization You're welcome to come forward and we will have up to four minutes to address the council Thank you. I want to put a document up on the Can you wait a second? Yeah Okay, thank you Today and I appreciate opening this continuing the discussion on this I'm speaking today for the rights of the disabled Yeah, I'm speaking today for the rights of the disabled. This is um Is a an invisible disability electromagnetic radiation sickness The ordinance states which is wonderful That the proposed projects will be in compliance with the ada the americans with disabilities act It's in the approvals and denials section But as we've shared this this is is meaningless if there's not a procedure By which people who are affected by this This sensitivity or have no process to bring that forward. So we've proposed a process It's in a prior 30 day prior notification process Within thousand foot distance, which is the distance the signals travel and actually they travel further than that so ada is a federal law which is not preempted by The telecom act and we've also sent you a legal Decision on the face school which which upholds that We've also sent you talk to you about a preamble to the ordinance which will give a More accurate representation of the city's desires. I understand it to To protect and promote the public health safety and community welfare Despite being prohibited from fully doing that by the FCC regulations and by the way the FCC regulations Are a lower level of legislation than the ada which is a federal law So I have up on on the overhead the americans with disabilities act Does not include a list of recognized disabilities as is commonly thought What it does include is a definition of what disability is Which is a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities Now any of us who are Impaired by electromagnetic Radiation sensitivity know that there's a big list of life activities that are impaired By that sensitivity which incidentally is not just from cell towers. It's from many sources Including in this room Many of us couldn't be here today a lot of the people who wrote letters 50 or more people wrote letters Couldn't be here today Also, I want to correct something that's been shared by the city attorney's office that While the us access board has recognized that electromagnetic sensitivity can be disabling The us access board is only only sets Guidelines for public buildings. It's it has nothing at all to do with ada other than that It does not just because they have not said anything about specifics and actually they have said some things about specifics It's not what we're talking about here. It just gives more credibility to this diagnosis. I will say which has been recognized Uh medically it's been recognized by the ada So another concern that I've heard shared before is about the shot clocks Now I wrote to mark del bianco who was a telecom attorney And i'm i'm going to give you this information again. I've shared it with you before he also He also created a summary and final of the final fcc small cell order, which is very helpful But he basically said that if the shot clocks are not met Um, no one has been sued over that what perhaps could happen is sort of a slap on the hand Encouraging the cities to talk more. Thank you. Thank you Next speaker Just uh Want to warn the public that wearing your cell phone in your pocket in your back pocket can cause colorectal cancer There's an increase in that if you wear it in your front pocket There's an increase in testicular cancer And sterilization and if you wear it in your chest pocket people are getting breast tumors And uh tumors on your heart, which is unheard of and also thyroid and brain tumors are Doubling or rising. Yes. So um, this is former chairman of the fcc tom wheeler promoting 5g United States Will be the first country in the world to open up High band spectrum for 5g networks and applications And that's damn important Because it means that us companies Will be the first out of the gate We will be repeating the formula that made the united states the world leader in 4g It's a simple formula Lead the world in spectrum availability Encourage and and protect innovation driving competition And stay out of the way of technological development unlike some countries We do not believe that we should spend the next couple of years Studying what 5g should be or how it should operate and how to allocate spectrum Based on those assumptions Like the examples I gave earlier The future has a way of inventing itself Turning innovators loose Is far preferable to expecting committees and regulators to define the future We won't wait for the standards To be the first to to be first developed In the sometimes arduous standard setting process or in government led activity Instead we will make ample spectrum available and then rely on a private sector led process For producing technical standards best suited for those frequencies and use cases Okay, thank you. All right our next speaker Good afternoon. My name is Drew Lewis Um, I know that there's been a lot of the said on this subject and a lot of uh people in the council have been struggling with This issue and I'd just like to point out amidst all this that Right now where 5g has been turned on people are getting nosebleeds vomiting headaches Dead birds and bees are being found within 300 feet of the 5g towers that have been turned on and In regards to tom wheeler's Statements about being the world leader. Well, yes, we can be the world leader We can be the world leader in dead birds dead bees Dead wildlife and human cancers and birth defects. Thank you Michael archer and uh I'm efs Sensitive I can't turn on my cell phone without my face burning. I have to have an on speakerphone and If if I'm in the presence of it You know more than two minutes my face begins to burn if I'm next to a cell tower my my lips tingle But I also want to I just want to carry that on into something I found and just researching all the wireless and electronic industry Is a product called tantalum? Tantalum is the most important element you've never heard of is increasingly important in the 21st century because it plays a large role in making Personal electronic devices smaller and it naturally fights corrosion As a capacitor it is found in cell phones dvd players laptops hard drives and playstations Essentially almost every piece of home and industrial electronic equipment has it And along with the increased demand of tantalum tantalum comes a human price Resources funded portions of the second congo war the bloodiest conflict in since world war two where 5.4 million lives were taken And where one third of the children are a part of the mining labor to get this And this mining takes place in very few countries most is found in rwanda and the democratic republic of congo excuse me Areas known for issues related to conflict materials Together they account for 60 of the global production of this in response to the unethical support of these conflicts The 2010 dodd frank wall street reform and consumer protection act was designed to stop the flow of conflict materials from Countries like the democratic republic of congo, but has been slow to have impact once more What's more once in power trump Voice the desire to repeal the parts. Okay. I'm done. You're welcome to you are done But you're welcome to leave your comments with us and we can review them at this time So we'll have our next speaker. Okay. Well, I'm just you know, bringing out the morals and ethics of this upgrade at the expense Okay, you're welcome to do that. Okay next speaker Hello, my name is ester francis and I'm speaking here at a personal experience with many of my friends with their sensitivities and the disability that they've experienced I've also done extensive research on the internet from Testimony from physicians and people who have looked into this that Also correlates with what people have already been sharing But I want to add something else to this discussion Which is that the most vulnerable are the children and particularly the youngest children And they can't articulate they can't say A voice because they're not yet capable of that yet Because they're in the stage of development that they are they're the most susceptible I want to say something else, which is nothing here has looked into the cumulative effect In other words, not only is it that not that we haven't had the proper research on this modality But we haven't looked at it within the context of how it exists with all the other Attacks on our immune system on our planet We just can't look at things fragmented anymore We're we're a planetary people and everything affects everything and the commodification What is the value of having if you're Sick and your dear ones are in your trees and your earth So I I ask please look at the as many have said the moral and the ethical Issues here that are so important tobacco was legal slavery was legal Legality is not the fact that's really underneath of this. It's like what is really going to be most beneficial For not only human beings, but the totality. Thanks for Hello, my name is John T. Hickman. I'm a I'm an electrician and an acupuncturist I understand about energy fields and I understand how they affect the body and Believe me, you don't want to be Exposed to this 24 7 in 2010 I got diagnosed with leukemia and most of my heat and I had stage four And most of my healing was building up my energy field That was broken down due to Just just regular 3g that we had then Thank you I'm going to just go ahead and ask that if you if you were Are you planning to be our last speaker sir in the front with the black shirt? We had somebody else here in line then we'll go ahead and acknowledge that person who's been waiting in line That's okay. If you want to just let me know that you're planning on speaking I'd be happy to acknowledge you and let you know at the end if you can't stand in line That's totally appropriate. Is there any other member of the community who would like to address us besides this woman here in the front? Okay, if you could if you're able and could please stand to my left And when we've concluded we'll go ahead and have the gentleman in the front speak last if that's appropriate Okay, go ahead. You have up to two minutes Hi, my name is gloria. I've lived in Santa Cruz for 35 years And so as far as city council goes one could say I've seen him come and I've seen him go And I want to thank Mayor Watkins for bringing up the issue of health And following a pot get developing a policy on that So Verizon is going to react 80 new the self facilities in Santa Cruz county and Here locally there are going to be 40 while they're proposing 40 small cell antennas per square mile Okay Previous speakers have talked about deleterious effects of 5g and even 4g and the rest of it cancer neurological disorders including adhd and add heart disease sterility including permanent dna damage Diabetes tinnitus headaches insomnia I wonder how many of you have grandchildren and children I want you to please consider the seventh generation Because there ain't going to be no seventh generation if you go through with this. This is sterility How would you like one of these outside your child's or your grandchild's bedroom? How would you like one outside your bedroom? What effect do you think that that might have? I urge you to Consider your legacy What you're gonna what you're gonna leave behind when you go what kind of a record what kind of what will you be known for? Thank you for protecting our health And the health of our children. Thank you Good afternoon city council um I don't know it was probably about a month ago. Maybe six weeks ago that I went to the resource center and heard daftness speak about some of the effects of the emfs And a few things, uh, I didn't know much about this at all and I by no mean an x by no means an expert But she said some startling things like that somehow this these emfs can Go through the brain blood barrier, which then can cause issues with DNA and The resulting effects could be cancer or other neurological issues That was very startling and um, and then just looking at our government and how Sometimes um studies have been done and she did suggest that there were that um that were then kind of Buried for the public from the public and um, and I think about tobacco and x-rays and all kinds of stuff that came down the pike Being a kid in the 50s 60s. You know All kinds of pesticides and uh exposures that were really Very hard on people's health so, um, I would just ask you to do what you can To mitigate, um, I know it's you're in a tough position. I get it Really tough, but whatever you can do to mitigate some of these um these regulations that are coming down the pike And um, that's it be well Next speaker Hi there. My name is monica maguire. I've lived in santa cruz county for 22 years It's been a while since I've lived in this part of the county So I haven't been to these meetings in the last eight years or so But I have been a health care practitioner in santa cruz county for 22 years as has my husband Who just did a an interview Dr. Carl merit in order for you to get one of the nationwide experts, which he is To help you understand some of what these people are saying, which is all perfectly true It's what we've witnessed in health care offices For decades that more and more people are building up electro sensitivity It's as much as 10 of the population worldwide according to a number of european experts And that is absolutely if not more true in this county where there are a lot of people that are very sensitive This is known an area known for that This is very serious Information and it is that there's been no precautionary principle with any of the money thrown at this issue It's been we got to have it. We got to do something on a monetary level Which is a let let it go too far too long and this is a huge issue that has a lot of deep information And there are literally hundreds of health care practitioners like myself Who could sit and explain enough to have your hair stand on end and give you the pause that everybody here is asking you to take The pause is necessary for your children's future is absolutely true as others have said here We do not have an answer to the rising sterility But we do know that it is in part caused by people carrying cell phones next to their gonads That is unknown You can look it up along with thousands of other health facts that are terrifying There is no reason for this city to Hold back from doing what other cities have done to say not in our backyard That has been vilified. Nimbi is an idea that's vilified. That's insane The idea of political leaders is to take that brave stance. Thank you. Please do Hi, I'm beyond EMF sensitive. I'm EMF disabled And I want to support what EMF aware is suggesting Or asking for notification prior to planning an application Spacing of the facilities what's been asked for eliminate the fees to protest And ADA accommodation Those disabled have to be able to live in their homes and be able to leave their homes For business to just to live And there's already less and less places to go to get away from From um what exists electromagnetically And now this this particular plan wants to blanket every square inch of earth It's not acceptable. We have to stop now. Thank you Hi, I'm Brett Garrett. I'm I'm a fairly techie person. I'm on my computer like all the time I don't need to download a movie in 30 seconds or whatever it is Nobody does I just want to say we really don't need this Extreme high speed that they're talking about I read an an article where someone was doing a review By the way, this is not telling me my time a review of the Of the 5g system in new york, they were just going around town walking around trying to use it And they were finding that well sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't they'd be close to a tower and it still wouldn't work It was just without rhyme or reason where it worked or didn't work Um, and it kind of gave me an insight on as to why they want so many towers. They just want I mean it In order to work properly it needs to be everywhere. It needs to be an incredibly dense network of cell towers And that's what scares me. I mean it's Someone who's emf sensitive. They might want to put three three towers near their house. I mean it's and that might be a $645 fee for each one of those that they want to appeal I am concerned about the appeal fields fees. I believe satya has brought this up Um, and I hope something can be done so that if if an individual has an appeal about a cell tower that they can Bring their case to the planning commission At no cost to them These are people who often cannot do a lot of the work that other people would do because they can't be in the environments where the work is being done because there's too much emf and to have it at home too is Just beyond the pale. So I'm I'm just very concerned about this issue. I I think we need to care about people who Have sensitivity and know that we may all have sensitivity that we don't know about Um, I I think I think these signals The low wavelengths Are dangerous for all of us and I'm very concerned about it. Thank you Before you get started. Is there any other member of the community who would like to address us on this item besides the gentleman in the front? Okay, if you want you're welcome to come around to my left and and we'll acknowledge you or you first if you'd like Hi, um, I'm carmela weintraub. I've been watching you guys on home tv and um I was going to come and then I wasn't going to come because I'm not feeling well because I was Awake until two o'clock in the morning because I have so many health issues That are related to being highly sensitive And I know elaine erin who's from stanford phd person Um, did all of her research on the highly sensitive person book that she wrote right here in our own little town Um, so we have a huge population of highly sensitive people here But I'm assuming that because you guys ran for office and you are now city council members that you have The well-being of your citizenry really high On your priority list. I'm assuming that for each and every one of you not only am I assuming it It but I'm really praying that you guys Use your power which you've always done here in santa cruz. We've always been at the forefront of dissent About these ridiculous things That have come through the culture over the years But for my mind to my mind this is life and death matter it's like These um telecom people could come like anybody else could come and say We want to we want to pay you a fee to poison your water We want to pay you a fee to let to have us allowed to put chemicals in your water on your plants We can uh pollute your air This is electro pollution They have no right to make money on putting electro pollution into our Santa Cruz air we have beautiful clean air here and this is this is pollution And we're paying they're gonna We're letting them go Good afternoon. I'm scott ram Excuse me, I believe that the uh city of los altos Made it so that they can't put these Nodes in residential zones and I would encourage you to pass a resolution Doing the same thing No nodes in residential zones and also keeping them away from public facilities and parks Make it harder to put up a node than it is to open a marijuana shop, you know, it's like Like this is ridiculous My understanding from reading online The only reason they want 5g is so that these High intensity games that are out there can be played on your phone Right now you can stream movies and you know, you're with 4g and there's no buffering But if you're playing work world of warcraft your Phone is going to be buffering constantly And so in order to alleviate this problem, they've come up with 5g I mean the computer industry right now is being driven by gaming every every Leap that they make is to satisfy the gaming industry because everything else has been taken care of rocket science has been taken care Uh, you know streaming movies has been taken care of it's the gaming industry that to get things smoother graphics more realistic graphics More intense graphics all that stuff is what's driving the computer industry and that's what's driving 5g so, you know These gamers can stay in their parents basement and play on a Hardware computer. They don't need to do it on their phones out in public. Thank you And I believe um, you will be our last speaker if there's the what last one here. Okay Hi, I'm marclay. I've lived here 25 years. I live in ben loman, california. Thank god. We don't have 5g up in our neighborhood I wanted I used to work in the tech industry and also for nasa at jpl The people that worked in those those labs around 5g of servers and generators for the bars rover were wearing very protective Equipment and when they were of course working within 50 to 70 feet of these transformers This whole revolution is being driven by money and politics and also security reasons Not so much by the gaming industry, but by the such security and intelligence agencies as nsa They have a huge stake in the involvement and the evolution of 5g being Established throughout the country They want to download personal data everything from you know documents to Where your emails? That's our they're concerned about security in the country regarding health Everyone has heard the various problems with the health ramifications including a heart lung a testicular Cancers and also palsy and nervous system deterioration 5g goes through the system and actually starts eroding your neuro system It's terrible Please think twice before adopting this. Yeah, particularly in the residential areas. It's extremely dangerous in holland They did a study of a 10 block area in the netherlands near the capital in Amsterdam when they turned on the the 5g transformers Birds started dropping out of the air. They started picking up hundreds and hundreds of blackbirds They did autopsy and found that their their hearts had exploded time is that please use your zoning and protect the public Health welfare your time. Thank you. Okay I'm just gonna go ahead and I'm just gonna go ahead and acknowledge that you with the lay will be our last speaker Okay, go ahead. You have my name is James Ewing. I've been a resident in this county for 25 years I wasn't gonna speak but I wasn't exactly hearing what I wanted to be heard Oh, pardon me. I what I've been a resident for 25 years. I wasn't going to speak But I wasn't hearing what I wanted to have heard 5g wavelengths have been used by the u.s. Military for more than 40 years There's planning on 20,000. There's planning on 20,000 satellites with 5g energy Any three phase Street light Once someone gets up there snap snap snap the street light is opened. The fixture is a quarter turn unscrewed Another one is put in quarter turn and that's 5g technology whether it's going to be used for information Or as a weapon. That's all I have to say Hi, my name is Judy Rosella Myers and I've been a resident of this county since the 70s And I felt like that this was a safe haven for many reasons when I moved in from la and It's really sad for me to see a safe haven turned into a place that may become as intense and Not healthy for individuals based on The electronics that we need to have in our world That we think we need to have in our world and the damage that it's doing for the insects Just for agriculture in our area is just so overwhelming to me and So many of my friends are Electromagnetic sensitive and I actually have a handout which I'll give to her that will hopefully Educate people on the council and any other people that you might know about symptoms of the effects of wireless I personally was hit by a car in a crosswalk in front of staff of life And I suspect that that person was distracted driving Or she would have seen me in that crosswalk I was wearing bright red and her eyes must have been off the road So I feel very very Affected by the fact that people are distracted when they're driving Right now. It's going to be months for my healing and I Feel like that even Regular media is acknowledging us because they're putting advertising Right now up for electromagnetic protection With fabric and clothing On the time is up. Okay Okay, so we'll go ahead now and return it back to council action and deliberation Council member brown. I'll go ahead and look to you at this time Oh, we went ahead and closed public comment We'll go ahead. Okay. We'll go ahead and pause you'll have up to two minutes You are our last speaker and there will be no more public comment It's my understanding nobody else wanted to address the council on this topic at this time And you'll have up to two minutes and then we'll go ahead and turn it to council Hi, I saw you sunday and the health and all policies health and all policies requires That you not deploy these biologically harmful Antanas everywhere in the public right-of-way And to remind you that nobody has authorized 24 7 microwave radiation Toxic trespass known to cause biological harm We do not consent to violations of our health and privacy And constitutional rights. I gave you a copy Sunday a 5g apocalypse the extinction event It starts out and it's very important to understand this It's important to understand what the 5g is doing and what they say it's doing We're told on the i triple e beam forming Document that this took technology Cooks your eyes like eggs in world war two We all need to understand these are military weapons. These are assault frequencies If you know nothing more than that, that's what you need to know It's microwave radiation warfare. That's what it is Santa Cruz needs to stand up Take a leading role and join with others and stopping this 5g deployment And we're looking to you to do that and defend the rights of the people and of the beautiful environment of Santa Cruz And thank you. Please do not adopt any ordinance Say no and Do what you're supposed to do for the public Councilor Brown, do you want to make your comments that you alluded to? Sure Thank you So thank you to uh folks who came and Spoken with us. Thank you to those who have commented Been writing those of you who aren't able to be here We appreciate hearing from you and you know, I think I've made comments in the past about my concerns my Dismay about the bind that we find ourselves in Due to the telecom acts the federal FCC rules and the aggressive behavior of the telecom industry when local jurisdictions try to restrict This kind of technology And so I'm not going to repeat that But I also want to thank staff for bringing us, you know, we're doing a lot of work I know it took a lot of effort to bring us within the what you believe is in the bounds of our legal authority an ordinance that is Does have reference to the ADA So I really do appreciate all of this work. That said, I think there's Having now had additional conversations With people who have been doing a lot of work on this I think there is more we can do and so I'd like to Put it out there and You know See what my colleagues think about In so first of all the the preamble of our ordinance is I believe Misleading let's just say and I don't this is not no Judgment here about the intentions of our The city and our staff in in including this, but I think we need to call it out and so I'm gonna Suggest that we make some changes to the preamble of our ordinance So this is for anybody who's following along and has access to the documents for ordinance number 2019-11 Chapter 15.38 .010 the purpose and intent of this ordinance it is not to protect and promote public health safety and community welfare it's just not and I think that we've heard a lot about that We were also aware that we're not allowed to restrict based upon Health, but I don't think that we ought to be saying that we're promoting health and welfare So I'd really like to see that language changed We have received Potential language for an alternative preamble and I think everybody on the council has it. I believe staff has also received it. So Rather than reading it here Unless my colleagues would like for me to do that I would say, you know, I'd like to just Have a conversation about whether option one or option two something that Um points to the reality of the situation Be included in our preamble rather than What is currently there? Secondly, I think that the question of public notification and or ability for for people to request accommodation under the ADA Is critical and I think that we um, there's more that we can do there So I have read the materials that we received from council from our city attorney's office about Triggering are the shock clocks that are that we find ourselves needing to abide by and I'm not convinced that That that that is the case. I think that we could require that notification To residents people property owners residents and I would add workers Who are within a thousand feet of Proposed location be notified and given 30 days opportunity to request accommodation before the application process And the shot clocks are triggered. I think that we can do that and so I want to propose that as well I think that we you know, I have had in the past concerns about waiver of the appeal fees because of the question of That being discriminatory when we're not when we have appeal fees for other kinds of projects planning Development projects, etc. However The case has been made pretty clearly and convincingly to me that This is a different situation because this would be because we don't have a public hearing all other Um Projects that get appealed to us have some kind of public process in advance And this is the only situation where that would not be the case and given that I think it's really important that we consider waving the appeal fees in cases where residents want to appeal the Installation of one of these small-cell facilities. So I think that those would be Some additional measures that could be taken to help ensure that the public has one Becomes aware as made aware of where and when these things are being installed Have the opportunity to request accommodation and And actually have that be meaningful rather than just saying that it's the case that ADA compliance is required This gives people an opportunity to demand that and I think they have the right to do that So I'll leave it there for now and see what others Think and um, hopefully we can move forward quickly Okay, council member Myers vice mayor Cummings and then council member Glover. Yeah, I'm supportive of Making sure we get this right Tony uh Mr. Condati, I uh There was a recent court. There was a recent uh, federal court order that court judgment that just came out It looks like last week It was done with through natural resources defense council And in the ruling the petitioners won and my read of the read of the ruling was that The ruling basically says the f ccc did not Follow nipa in doing the environmental Impacts So my question for you is How can we provide an ordinance when we haven't really followed even the federal statute around Environmental review and and impacts and now we have a court a court decision that says yes That was our arbitrarian capricious. So I'll stop with my lawyering speech A question for you and um a good question We've looked at the case and um and others on my team can address this probably in more detail than I can but in general It's my understanding that the reason why nipa was implicated in that case is that it that it involved tribal lands federal lands Yeah, right and so it's there's not the same So the so worst so the fcc basically Now could this be brought into general public health? So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is we seem to have pretty well documented public health impacts So well, how do we? How do we do the right thing in that? We are introducing a technology that that could potentially cause harm to our residents Because the federal government is basically forcing us to I wish I had a A better answer to that question, but as as we've said on many occasions One of the FCC's rules that have been applicable long before the most recent small cell Wireless order was issued back in last last fall Is that the city cannot take into account potential health effects of emf radiation in In deciding on the location of cell tower facilities You know, that's that's not a popular opinion, but that's what the law says We've looked at that DC circuit case and we've also conferred with the attorneys that are Working with portland and other cities in challenging the FCC order in the ninth circuit court of appeals And they agree with our assessment that that the dc circuit case has really no bearing on Our ability to regulate or the fc or the implementation of the FCC's order There's some aspects of the FCC's order that the court in the dc circuit case did say Neat or were inadequate and and one was the national historic preservation act I think and um And nipa But the order remains in effect in the dc circuit too And they basically referred it back to the FCC to address the The concerns that they or the deficiencies that they found in that analysis. So Like I said, I wish I had a better answer to the question I You know, I've been going to these hearings for 25 years and The main concern people have with emf radio or with cell towers is the emf radiation And and the aesthetics too, but the main concern is Legitimately, but You know, we're very constrained in how we can regulate that and and we have no No way to to use the california environmental quality act to look at this as a review with with for example the the cumulative Outlay of 40 some odd towers. There's no there's no review we could do under sequa for this I think that that we do You know The adoption of an ordinance just like an app just like a development application is a is an activity that can trigger sequa review I know when we look I think we've looked at these individually, but I'm just curious about the total array cumulative Uh, whether or not this could trigger they can come in with one application at a time That's typically exempt from sequel review If they came in with 40 probably it wouldn't be So if they came in with 40 applications at one time, we would probably look at that a little differently And there's nothing we can do with for example Any kind of I mean we got an application for you know a subdivision of 40 houses We could we would be doing environmental review. Is there any way to project? I'm just literally being creative here. I I do support councilmember browns Um amendments and I I just want everyone to know in the audience here Um, I don't know that really anyone here in the city whether it's our attorney or anyone really Is wanting to do and and support this ordinance We are in a very difficult position and we are trying to create as much protections for our residents as possible. So Um, yeah, just being creative, but I I certainly um support the amendments Mayor welkins member city council. I'm josh spanger senior civil engineer. I just pointed out to mike here that um There is in the application There is an initial sequel assessment that is required and the city can determine Whether it needs to go through sequel process or not. It doesn't talk about the cumulative effect at all. I mean, that's not That's not that but there is an initial sequel requirement Vice mayor Cummings and councilmember glever Yeah, I just want to um Share the sentiments that were expressed by councilmember brown I did think it was important though that um because the public doesn't have Access to the options that were laid out. I just wanted to read one of them because I think Just even the first one kind of captures what both of them are trying to express But in terms of the preamble for the purpose and intent Uh, one of the options that have been provided states that the city ordinances should protect the health Safety and welfare of the community Normally the preamble of an ordinance includes the following statement These regulations are designed to protect and promote public health safety and community welfare Due to section 704 of the telecommunications act of 1996 and subsequent court decisions The city is prevented from taking into consideration the health effects safety and welfare of the community when adopting ordinances Regarding the location of small cell antennas Therefore, and I add the little sentence the city cannot guarantee that this ordinance protects the health safety and welfare of the community And I think it's really important that we are Transparent and clear when we're when this ordinance is passed that um the people of santa Cruz understand that there are Restrictions that are inhibiting us from preventing this technology from coming in from doing these health and safety reviews But that we as a city council are very much concerned about this and that we are trying to do everything in our power To make sure that we can have the most restrictive ordinance possible within the legal guidelines and federal framework Thank you councilmember clever Um So there was a lot that was given by councilmember brown as far as suggested edits Is there a place where that's noted so that we can review them before we vote on them? I'll just maybe go ahead just to offer so that we can move our conversation along if councilmember brown is interested in making Her suggestions into a motion we can then move it forward with the purposes of finding consensus Mr. Kandadi yes, um I just want to raise one issue is that some of the comments that have been received by members of the public and I I believe some of the comments that that Were made by councilmember brown addressed issues that were At that were decided by the council in adopting the guidelines that you approved at the at the june 25th meeting And so to the extent that the council would like to modify those aspects of The guidelines the direction would be to return to the council at a future meeting with modifications Otherwise the action that you could take today Or not would be with respect to the ordinances that are So with respect to the language of the ordinances that are before you Okay, okay so, um Thank you for that clarification and I believe that was included in our memo, so I'll try to address the Motion to the appropriate Documents as I move through this So first I would move that we direct staff to um return To the council with and and all that before I put a date on that I'll ask the staff after we get through this to suggest when that might come back to us So um to return with an amended ordinance that includes the Uh Change to the purpose intent. This is within the the ordinance document that is before us today um Related to the purpose and intent and we is can we not get it up on it? We're working on putting it up It's basically what um vice mayor Cummings read Um, and I no longer have it in front of me because it's going up. I'll just Go ahead and say um this is related to the the fact that That we cannot guarantee the um This ordinance the city cannot guarantee this ordinance protects the health safety and welfare of the community. So Got it. You don't need this anymore. Great. So it'll be up In a moment. So that with that language that staff return to us with an amended ordinance Including that then with respect to the This would be with respect to the guidelines that that we staff return To Hold on one moment to include um public notification for accommodation that um provides 30 days notice to um Property owners residents and and workers within 100 feet of a proposed small cell facility For a thousand thousand, excuse me thousand feet. Oh, did I not say that I'm I'm in a thousand feet was going through my mind 1000 feet. Sorry 1000 feet of the proposed small cell antenna Of their right to submit a request for accommodation under the americans with disabilities act Second And but well, there's one last thing. Sorry before you And that um In terms of the the procedures that uh in the language that appeal fees be Be waived for appeals of small cell antenna installations second So we have a motion by councilmember brown seconded by councilmember glever Further comments. Yeah, thank you. Um So I was just curious maybe city attorney kandadi could answer this With regards to the Content that's listed on the application. I know that there was a request to have that specific requirement the 30 days prior to permanent application submit all the applicants shall provide notices Is this the time to note where that goes on the application and have it be visible on The bottom portion of the application itself or is that a future? Conversation because I know there's the draft that's out with regards to what that Application would look like But is there a way to get that language on the I have to confess i'm not familiar with the application form that you're referring to so I would This is Deputy city attorney stephanie hall A good afternoon. Sorry. I didn't hear that question. I actually wanted to respond to Uh the the comment about the public notification being 30 days. Is that correct? I just did want to know we still are subject to the shot clocks And city staff is concerned with meeting them. So if we give the 30 day Notice that's just going to you know reduce our window in meeting that shot clock So, um, thank you for for that and uh, yes, I I did understand that and I I believe that the the memo that we received Had that concern even with a 10 day notification However, um 10 days really isn't sufficient. I Don't believe for um that kind of you know the Documentation required for that kind of request for accommodation would probably be take some time in 10 days doesn't seem sufficient one to I think there is a question and and Perhaps you could help us clarify There for me there is still a question in my mind about Whether or not if this is done as a part of a pre application process the shot clock is triggered because my understanding Is the shot clock is triggered by the application itself? So the FCC order says that pre application requirements will trigger the shot clocks and So they they talk a lot about you know having voluntary Requirements, you know a voluntary neighborhood meeting for example. That's why we called it voluntary so that wouldn't trigger the shot clock But any kind of requirement by the city would would trigger it That said, um, I'm also aware that no jurisdiction has been Uh pursued for non-compliance with the shot clock. So I'm hoping that we can acknowledge it's a concern and You know try to do our best to meet the shot clock deadlines timelines while giving people this kind of Protection Thank you. Uh, and so just Perhaps if you could repeat your question Yeah, absolutely. Um, there is uh, and I noticed that it's not in the agenda packet But there is the there's a draft of what the application Looks like with regards to small cell wireless. Uh, someone brought it to me and showed it to me the other day It was from us. Um And I didn't know if this was the time now to make sure that this listing of the requirement of the outreach be Noted on the draft physically if it's not already. Well part of the intent was to um Take that take the application itself that work that goes into that offer your guys's plates So with the ordinance basically, um, it says that the director of public works can modify that That um form as as needed. So I'm not really sure which form you're talking about because we've looked at a couple, you know, so That's correct though, it's just a draft and director of public works will be able to um edit it Right, so then would it be appropriate then In this portion of the agenda to then give direction to make sure that there's a certain language That's included in that application that is at the discretion of the Of the director of public works and then also there's a question of some of the language in the Actual language that's supposed to go out for notifications. So specifically In the line where they're Directing their comments to both the applicant and the public director or public works director There's a concern there because it's ideally a request for accommodations that they would be submitting to the public works director and then There's there was some concern raised about the inclusion of private medical data to the Service or to the applicant and why that's relevant for them to be providing there Because the language reads please direct your comments to both the applicant and the city of santa cruz director of public works I'm sorry. That's in the application form right now the the draft one Again, that's okay. If it's not that we can deal with it later I guess but it's just something that was brought up and is important with regards to Making sure that we are protecting people's information and that They're understanding that the world we're asking for is their comments But also specific needs for requests for accommodation as pertains to the ada Because it's my understanding that the ada circumvents any policies that were put in place by the fcc So if looking at ways that we can Push back against potential shot clock timelines or all this other kind of stuff is providing the accommodations for people that suffer from electrosensitivity so I did want to respond to that comment about the ada and Fcc order telecommunications act. So I spoke We our office spoke with the attorney that mr. Kondadi mentioned who Wrote the brief for the case pending in the ninth circuit and As we've talked about already the telecommunications act is is the act it's codified in 47 usc 332 which expressly prohibits cities from regulating based on Our rf emissions and we're not disputing that ems is not a disability or that The ada wouldn't apply here, but based on my conversation with that attorney The telecommunications acts likely will supersede the ada And there's actually a federal court case Firstinburg versus city of santa fe which addressed this issue and it's a case from new mexico So it's not binding, but I think that a lot of the reasoning in the case could be illustrative to us The court noted that the telecommunications act was enacted after the ada And so congress presumably considered any conflicts with other current laws when passing it Additionally the rf preemption under the telecommunications act was a more specific provision rather than the general Anti-discrimination provision in the ada and there's a fundamental tenet of statutory construction that a court should not Construe a general statue to eviscerate a statue of specific effect So under this standard the broad language of the ada Prohibiting discrimination against the disabled cannot override the specific terms of the telecommunications Act with regard to regulating rf emissions. So I just That's kind of where our analysis stands on that issue at this point. Thank you I just have a housekeeping item to the extent that the council would like to incorporate additional language into the ordinance The recommendation would be that we pin down precisely what that language is should the council want to Introduce the ordinance for publication today so that we can bring it back for second reading along with The amended regulations and and perhaps the issue that was just addressed by council member Glover with regard to The language of the notification that's provided on the application form Okay, so that said I think Councilor crone had a comment and then maybe we'll have Councilor matthews vice mayor Cummings and then council member brown re-state the motion Just for the interest of time, I'm going to go ahead and pause for a second We have an item before us item number 28 That will actually take place after we have our six-month work plan off-site meeting discussion and then a revisiting of our previous council Consent agenda items that weren't acted upon Given sort of our tight timeline. I'm wondering if the council and the community would be supportive of moving that item to a future meeting and we can allow for Further discussion at that time. This is item number 28. It's the last item that's on our general business agenda And it's the historic preservation commission recommendation on water street bridge plaque So is that something that the council be interested in supporting? To postpone that at this time I would only be willing to postpone that if it was guaranteed to be on the next city council agenda Yeah, okay. We can have that on the next city council Okay So for the members of the community that may be here to address the council on item number 28 our historic preservation commission recommendation on the water street bridge plaque We're going to go ahead and make and maybe see if I can have a council member make a motion to do so Right. Make a recommendation the recommended action would be a motion to continue The item to a date certain. Okay. Go ahead and see that in that council member matthews I'll make that motion to continue to the next meeting. Okay second motion by council member matthews seconded by Council member glever. We're going to go ahead and take the vote all those in favor. Please say I'm Hi, any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously. We'll go ahead and hear that item at the next council meeting agenda Okay, so then we'll go ahead and return back to this item And I believe that we had council member chrome making comments and then we'll have council member matthews Vice mayor Cummings and then council member brown Yeah, I just had a question for the city attorney Um, is it critical that we can't send this back and get another reading? You know, do we have to do that today? I mean, this is the second reading But why don't we just I'd rather see all the changes um at the next meeting and then You know pass it I don't think we're operating under any specific Timelines here so we could bring it back for introduction at the next meeting if that's the direction of the council I think my other question had to do with sequa And I don't know if I understood what was said um by uh About that you can can you do sequa on a? You know antenna by antenna Uh project or do you have to have a bunch of them? It was confusing I think it's it's it the practice has been to do it on a on a per application basis. So they do. Okay. Thank you Um, I'm wondering if if maybe If the council would entertain an idea of potentially having a subcommittee of council members work on some of these specifics with the city attorney's office And taking in sort of the input that we've received to really ensure that the next time we um revisit this topic We have a really well informed Proposal, um, I think that would help with sort of the introduction reintroduction and then modifications ongoing And allow us to really have a comprehensive and holistic approach that really allows us to optimize our abilities given our federal constraints So it's just sort of a proposed concept for potential moving this forward I don't know if our council would be supportive of that council member Matthews I think we're pretty close as I get it. There's three issues. There's the preamble. There's public notification um To request an accommodation and the appeal fee aren't those the three things we're talking about I believe so Is there any additional elements that we want this there was questions around the sequa? Questions that were raised by council member mires in regards to some of the other areas that we could look at And now I have one other question And you have a question so councillor brown and I think I mean just given the The other items on our agenda for today And the fact that we've heard from one at least one council member Preferring to see all of the changes Kind of and have an opportunity to read them and digest them in advance I um, I'd be willing to go this route. I think for the sake of the interest of time for today but um So, yeah, that that I guess that's all I'll second that if that's part of the motion then Yeah, I guess I so if I if I could just restate or reframe and rest The motion would be great a little bit of a change here. Um So, um, I guess I would move that the council appoint a subcommittee Of two council members to work with city staff with the city attorney's office And public work. So just city staff appropriate city staff to return with an amended ordinance Including changes to the preamble recognizing that the ordinance Will not protect Cannot guarantee cannot guarantee protection of the health and safety and welfare of this community inclusion of procedure for It's a public notification for People to request accommodation under the americans with disabilities act And so notification to residents Workers property owners within 1,000 feet of proposed small cell antenna Their right to submit and request for accommodation under the ADA. That's the specific language and appeal of the Or waiver of the appeal fees for appeals of small cell tower installations and to return The council meeting the first council meeting in september. Um, here we come When when people think that might be Um, I I'd like to set a time certain return date so that we don't lose track of this Still second it Okay, does that did you get it? But I know that maybe I um, I think track a little bit for the purposes of the process in time unless Yeah, we think october probably october is more realistic. Okay. I think that's We have a okay, so for the process as soon as possible if it's the first meeting in october So we have a motion by council member brown seconded by council member glover Um, I am supportive of that. I would like to propose that, you know, council member brown You serve on that and we can identify a second person right now to expedite that process if that's Supported by the council as well council member crown a friendly amendment. Could um, Mr. Ryan or um one member of the group be able to join the subcommittee My intention as a as a member of that subcommittee would be to include, um, Mr. Ryan and others in the conversation Thanks, mayor Cummings I also would like to ask that in the subcommittee takes into consideration the public notification to accommodate people with disabilities language That was presented to us today. Yes absolutely Is there is just trying to be concise for the sake of time council member matthews Um Well that subcommittee is uh morphing. I I would actually prefer that the subcommittee be two or three council members drawing on the information that's been provided by the public That's a comment, but um also On the request for accommodation. Who does that accommodation go to does it go to the provider of the cell tower or to the city? That's what's not clear to me I'm not sure either I think that's something that the subcommittee could look at. That's a huge issue. It's a huge issue. Yeah For the 88 pieces, that's right So let's go ahead and um, have that just interject a comment before the council takes action What I would request is that as part of that discussion the council continued to um explore the legal constraints that we've pointed out in our both In our comments today and in prior correspondence, um, which um You know, this is a policy decision for the city council and so You know our job is a to try to plot a legally defensible path forward within the constraints of the law But b also to support to the extent that we can the policy direction of the city council I think meeting those objectives could be challenging under the direction that the council is heading in right now Okay, so Okay We'll go ahead and so we have a motion by council member brown seconded by council member glover Council member bram will be on that committee How about if any council members are interested in serving on that committee or weighing in on areas they'd like to see addressed They reach out to council member brown and we can go ahead and have you with a discretion If that's appropriate to form the committee of one two or three council members It's fine with me if it's okay with my colleagues. Okay. Is that okay with the colleagues? Okay sounds good So council member Matthews just one final question. So i'm getting the impression from your comments that we have set you an impossible task Is that correct? No, um The the path may be difficult for us to defend in court Well, I think my understanding was that the you know It was really an inclusive process to work with your office work with the community and work within the confines And trying to figure out the framework of everything that we have. I mean clearly we have You know constraints in this regard. Is that seem accurate? So we'll do the right and my concern was just that we continue to Have a voice in the discussion so that the council is fully aware of What we believe the the legal path forward is and the composition will allow I think include that That's the understanding. Okay You'll be part of that. Okay. All those in favor. Please say I am I any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously Why don't we take a short transition uh break and we'll go on to item number 27 And that's the city council six month work plan offsite meeting summary and next steps All the meeting back to order And I will ask for you to um stop your conversations as we have to get back to business I could see how that would be I'm going to see if our council members want to come back and join us up here and we'll go ahead and get started All right Thank you councilmember crone councilmember brown um And we'll go ahead and ask that if you have a conversation going if you please go ahead and wrap that up Thank you. We're going to go ahead and get started So right now we're on item number 27 of our general business and that item is city council six month work plan offsite meeting summary and next steps and before us is um our uh great staff from the departments that will uh be leading us in this discussion and um I'll just for the interest of the community let you know the process before we turn it over to our staff for The um presentations that we will have a presentation from our staff on the item We'll go ahead and ask council members at that time to ask any clarifying questions They may have a staff We'll go ahead and open it up to the community for any uh public input And then we'll return back to the council for deliberation and action So with that we'll turn it right over to sarah and ron Good afternoon. Mayor Watkins members of council How's that is that better? How are we now? Yeah ron prince special project advisor for the city manager's office um today uh principal planner sarah fleming and i will be presenting an overview of the recent uh short-term planning session that we had back in june uh 22nd and It was a retreat uh conducted by our facilitator nicole young who is Not able to be with us during the afternoon session today. So i'll be presenting The power point that she prepared and then this is a two-part presentation though I'll be starting off and then sarah will be finishing up with some of the substantive advanced planning issues that the council asks us to come back and present so Essentially, I just plan to move quickly through the power point And it's a general overview of the day that we spent together the council and city staff And uh, it's pretty pretty much reiterate the agreements that we came to during that session and to give a Good overview of the work plan for the next six months So some of the background behind this is back in april uh council Directed staff to develop a work plan for the remainder of 2019 And to initiate an inclusive planning process to build a three-year strategic plan To that end the off-site work plan meeting was held on the 22nd of june at the regional 911 center With our facilitator and nicole young from optimal solutions consulting She organized the meeting and walked us through the agenda for the day Prior to the meeting and nicole conducted one-on-one meetings with each council member and based on these interviews Put together and compiled some themes that were the desired outcomes for the session Those themes were stronger communication and relationships among between council members and staff An agreement on priorities for a six-month work plan Including starting a three-year strategic planning development process And then tools to guide future discussions and decisions about policy priorities and work plans The meeting involves several group exercises an exercise one was to create a collective vision from 50 years from now what uh The council would like to see what their hopes were and those themes are reflected here There was about 15 themes that were discussed and it was uh Somewhat of a whimsical exercise you can see the graphic off to the right Everybody had a chance to express their vision in different ways and it was just a way to actually Produce some dialogue that suggested that we have some common values and interests in the health of this community into the future Exercise two was Developing some communication tools and we had an open discussion about Examples of each of the principles for effective communication as described in the rules of procedure For conduct of city council business those nine principles that are listed here right out of the the the rules procedure and they actually We spent some time trying to Give examples of you know what it meant to talk and Discuss things with these principles in mind. So that exercise lasted about 25 to 30 minutes and I won't go into each one of them, but it's I think everybody Agreed that was an important It's a list of nine principles that are important to follow This discussion led then to the development of three agreements The first one was to follow the model Follow and model the principles during the day's discussions Continue to discuss and define what it means to follow the principles Uh, you may look and sound different for each individual And we actually went through some exercises to demonstrate that and then staff Will arrange a facilitated conflict resolution session separate from the work planning session and an effort to move forward effectively as a governing body So that these are the first three agreements of the day and they were like I said, there are several agreements essentially we spent most of the morning talking about what we have in common and What we need to do to Effectively or have effective governance on into the future for the community So that was that was the morning session The afternoon session spent on we spent time reviewing the staff's work plan for the next six months We reviewed and revised the matrix of the current queue of key priorities and projects slated for july through december and This provided a structure for dialogue about current workload before adding new initiatives To the queue and there's an excerpt of that matrix shown below there that just shows the the headers across the top The first one happens to say strategic planning and work plan update Along the way you can see that there's different milestones that are set up And just an fyi. I'm actually working right now with the nicole young on a proposal to initiate a three-year Strategic planning process so we're it's all in draft form right now But that's just an example of one of the things that we're getting traction on these things right away In the packet you've got attachment one Which is the entire matrix of all the key projects the staff is working on currently So that's uh, that's the biggest part of your agenda packet. It's the full matrix And we'll talk about that a little bit The current queue It's was prepared by all the department. It's it's um when we went through it. We had a thorough discussion With the council and staff and we updated items on the work plan We gage the feasibility of accomplishing key priorities In the current queue and then we determined whether which time Wither and which time frames can or should be adjusted The exception of the multiple large projects in the planning department queue other departments felt that the matrix reflected A body of work that they can accomplish or make a lot of progress on within the next six months And we'll talk more about the the planning efforts Why there is more on their plate that is manageable and that's why we need to have this later discussion about some priority setting So the next agreement that we had was to form an ad hoc and that's actually a misnomer. It's not an ad hoc work group It's really a volunteer group Thank you, mayor and vice mayor and lorsch mit for volunteering for to develop a process or rubric to include alignment with strategic priorities And external requirements estimated cost resources needing funding available and sources and staff time And the current workload and political readiness And the idea is to develop this process that we could use as a guideline when we start adding and developing future major projects So we can get a good sense of what it really translates to in terms of the level of effort And so yeah, the three members of that volunteer group are mayor Watkins vice mayor Cummings and interim assistant city manager laura schmitt And I believe laura's already got a meeting scheduled next week to begin that volunteer process During the afternoon session a council heard a presentation by council member crone and the The presentation involved a draft strategic planning document centered on climate change climate resilience and climate action Shared by council member crone council member brown and vice mayor Cummings It was developed based on discussions with community members prior to seeing the six month work plan Which is understandable that came Right before our retreat the work plan matrix itself So the attachment number two in your agenda packet is that that draft strategic planning document And initial feedback from other council members was that more time would be needed to review it before providing feedback And that they observed that several priorities were already reflected in the the new work plan So next agreement that popped up as a result of that discussion was to utilize the ideas and priorities referenced in the draft Strategic planning document during the long longer term strategic planning process scheduled to begin this fall It'll be here before you know it The next exercise that we did was the facilitator conducted a straw pool And the purpose was to get a better sense of the city council's priorities regarding the planning and community development departments advanced planning division Current queue that all the almost all the city departments Were the that matrix that reflects their key projects Like I said before it's there's a feeling that most of those target dates and milestones are feasible The current queue reflects more work and required resources than feasible for the advanced planning division though Certainly during that six months time frame Some projects involving advanced planning division are mandated time-sensitive require interdepartmental coordination Over previously requested by the city council to return on a certain date All advanced planning related projects on the current queue are still a priority But timelines may need to be adjusted to ensure a realistic and feasible work plan Poll process that was conducted allowed council members to use dots to indicate six-month priorities And shows here the different dots that were used And what they translated to in terms of a sense of urgency Council members and staff agreed to review updated six-month work plan in august 2019 right now That reflects the session's discussion and the straw poll results So that'll be coming up and we'll be talking about that in a few minutes in detail That's part of our post-retreat follow-up Before we review the advanced planning proposed work plan The retreat concluded with these next steps The key agreements that were some a lot summarized at the very end of our retreat were That the facilitator would summarize notes from the work plan session and those are included in your packet I believe it's attachment three Ad hoc or actually volunteer work group will draft rubric or template Is a method to determine how to establish priorities for additional projects Staff will refine the six-month work plan based on the city council's discussion and straw poll of priorities and bring it back to the city Council in august for review and approval And then staff will make arrangements for follow-up conflict resolution sessions And I believe the city manager's already got some uh, secured services of a facilitator slash mediator for that and then Facilitator nicole young will develop a schedule for an inclusive planning process to build a three-year strategic plan And like I mentioned earlier, that's in process Um Just a draft proposal and that's going to be vetted out through to the city council decide if that's the public engagement Part of that and the whole process That the council feels comfortable with how to move forward with a three-year planning process For the second part of the presentation, I'd like to introduce sarah fleming who's the advanced planning Principal planner for the advanced planning division and she will present All the the post-retreat work that the the planning department's been working on Good afternoon, mayor and council members pleasure to see you. I feel like it's been quite a long time I'm used to seeing you every two weeks. So the the summer break has got me all a tizzy Okay, so just quickly. I wanted to give you an overview of our division So we are one of four divisions in the department Of planning and our team consists of myself and I oversee two senior planners You'll also hear me refer to them as project managers or pms And then we have one time a part-time temporary staff that is not a planning professional but is Very talented in assisting us with research and data collection efforts So in the prioritization session, there were 20 items that were ranked that were either AP specific planning specific or that required significant advanced planning resources So the list here is not all-inclusive But it does include things such as parking ordinance updates in order to facilitate increased housing production The rezoning of ocean street picking that project back up again Local coastal program updates. There are two of those that are in the hopper right now one that's tied to our previous A recent update of our general plan 2030 bringing it into consistency with that as opposed to the 2005 General plan and then one related to the coastal resilience grant that we received from the coastal commission The rental housing data collection effort that we'll be talking about at our evening set your evening session of council tonight A suite of adu updates both legislative and then mandates and then returning with things that We are had committed to come back to council with from earlier in the year And the things of that nature So 12 of those fall under the planning department or ap purview nine of them are specifically advanced planning And then the additional eight that delta does require significant ap involvement along with other departments within the city So what we did with the straw pulled Data or information is I wanted to kind of weigh them out to get a sense of The value of each so that we could fairly rank The importance and so the way that I did this exercise is I went through and I said anything with a green dot Let's assume that's three points Anything with a yellow dot is two points and anything with a red dot is one point And you'll remember from earlier in the presentation The green dot was uh indicative of things that needed to be Taking care of right away within the six month period the yellow dot was uh indicative of things that while important could extend Past that time frame and then a red dot was things that could go out further than that So that's the reasoning behind the point system So you'll see here the top items that came out Um, essentially a tie was the rental housing data initiative and the transitional encampment project charter Uh, the third item there is the suite of adu related work Which again is everything from mandated legislative requirements to updates to the fee structure to updates to Parking requirements for single-family homes in order to encourage more adus to Returning with the things related to Affordability that we had talked about at the beginning of the year A additional item that was added at the Prioritization session was the community engagement effort on housing Which from what I've read in the documentation here was the wise democracy and wisdom council effort The interest in having a housing city council study session And then uh in our larger planning department the blue beam electronic plan submittal and review Those are the six items that came to the top Additionally on top of that and the reason I'm I'm really here today is that I wanted to talk with your council about is that While some of these items um either were not ranked or did not make them to the top of the ranking We do have a a series of items here that are really time sensitive And that need to be undertaken currently And so I want to chat with you a bit about how we make sure that we're addressing All the interests of council while also making sure that we're meeting our state mandated deadlines and and other Mandatory timeframes that we we have to make sure that we that we meet Um with the limited resources that we have so um the first one is the sb2 planning grant application Uh, this is a senate bill that uh levies a transfer assessment essentially on real estate transfers of I believe it's something like 75 dollars a piece that money goes into a nice big pot that we can apply for planning grants from And um this essentially is approximately three hundred and ten thousand dollars of Over the counter money that um it the the application is not that challenging and essentially each jurisdiction is Guaranteed that funding if they submit a complete application Those applications are due uh in november of this year. So that's something that we'll want to be really mindful of If the council chooses not to apply for that, of course That is your prerogative and we can replace that in the work plan that you'll see here with other things But um it is something that is um Staff would encourage council to apply for that because it's essentially three hundred and ten thousand dollars That we're guaranteed The second is downtown plan updates There has been a series of Non-conforming or not really non-conforming but uses that are going to sunset In 2020 and we've extended this sunset several times in recent years and and the most current extension is until 2020 and I believe it's sometime in mid 2020 so Staff really would like to go ahead and have that dealt with and not extended again That would be another option that that council could choose is to further extend that I think the concern is that it provides uncertainty both for The people who occupy those uses and are operating those uses as well as the community in terms of what those Properties can be used for in the future. Uh, so that's one of the things that um, I have slated on One of our team members work plan for this year that we'll talk about momentarily I mentioned earlier the two local coastal program updates One of which is mandated by the end of 2020 because of the grant term And the other one that frankly has really been kind of on the back burner since The general plan the new general plan update and we really should Get that dealt with and it makes a lot of sense to do it at the same time as we're doing the Coastal commission grant because we will be going in and adding a new hazards element and updating a lot of our C level rise policies So it makes sense to go to the coastal commission once go to plenty commission once you guys once Coastal commission once with that bigger package if possible The next item on there is cannabis ordinance potential updates Earlier this year We had been given direction by your council to do two things One is to Look at potential Best practices for on-site consumption of cannabis in existing cannabis businesses And then the other one was potential business license transfers And so we have that slated to come back at the second meeting in september currently And then just want to let you know while it's not at the end of this year We do have several state mandated annual reporting requirements that are due in january. So we have One to the department of finance that's due january 15th We have one to the u.s. Census that is usually due january 31st And then we have a very large one that's due to hcd that will come to you in march But that they really really changed the reporting requirements this last year And that will start to pull resources from the ap team Probably in december I would guess as we're starting to pull the information on permits pulled and permits finaled this year So what i've done here is i've split this in so i have two project managers on the team Or we have two project managers on the team. So what i've done is i've split this into The yellow planner and the orange planner And so You'll notice the yellow planner here has fewer items Then the orange planner that you'll see shortly the reason behind that is because there's a different level of complexity in The various types of work And I wanted to make sure that the work is done by the individual who is the expert the content expert In the field and so as an example here, you'll see with this planner. We have The rental housing data collection effort Assuming that council this evening chooses to move move forward with something there She will be on that Really as her primary focus through the end of the year Additionally, she's our content expert on accessory dwelling units And there is a pretty significant suite of legislative updates that I will expect will be signed by the governor will know in september Assuming he doesn't veto the things that are coming through There'll be a suite of updates that'll come through with that There's also and I separated these two out for a reason We had committed to the council to come back at the end of the year with the affordability review analysis That we had talked to you about in february Ideally they'll go together That said I have them separate because since those are not mandated and the state ones are mandated And we need to have them in place by the beginning of the year because most of the laws require That they are effective january 1st of 2020 There's a chance that these other ones could go on a separate track And so ideally again, they may go together but depending on the community outreach What council decides that they want to do with those items? They may end up extending or morphing a little bit more than the mandated legislative updates And then we are going through a suite of approvals with the coastal commission Right now based on approvals that your council had given us early this year to our general plan and lcp Some updates and so those are now working their way through the coastal commission process I don't expect that to take a ton of time, but again, you never know They are their own decision-making body and so right now we have a tentative Deadline for the adu parking changes that need to be approved by them for october november And then you'll see the other ones on the orange planners list here momentarily So if you're looking at this planner, um, this is Plenty of work for frankly, I guess the next really four months because we're halfway through august And you only have one meeting in december and so taking into the consideration both the Holiday season that comes at the end of the year too. I want to be very mindful of that that people are gone and that city Closes to some degree. Um, I just want to make sure that we are Committing to something that is reasonable and that we're able to do and that we're able to meet Our state mandated day deadlines as well So this would be my proposal for our first For one of my two planners. So that would be the rental housing data collection effort A suite of adu updates and then ensuring that the coastal commission approval for the parking changes is done this year Staying on top of that So for orange planner here are the items that I have So one of the items I guess that I did not put on the slide before That we had already committed to come back with is a planning commission subcommittee city council review of roles This was an item that had been requested by the planning commission This spring and we originally were going to bring it forward At the one of the june meetings. I don't remember which one But due to scheduling conflicts the the agendas were very long. We opted to go ahead and move that to Our next august meeting. So that will be coming that has already drafted already ready to go Assuming that the council takes the staff recommendation and doesn't have us do any additional work That will be done as of august 27th. However, that said if council may have Other opinions or other ways they want us to move forward And so then that would then impact the october november december that you're seeing through there in terms of what type of work that you'd like done on that Below that you see the two cannabis items again. Ideally they could go on the same track that said I like to separate things out. I've learned that sometimes some things are simpler than others and I want to make sure that Again, I don't over commit to something that Or assume that council will take a specific direction that potentially might change So I have those separated out but again potentially they could move together The only difference would be the business license transfers. So the cannabis item in orange Would not be required to go to planning commission and so it would move on a slightly different track So you would see the council first reading would come in november and then the council first reading Assuming that council wanted us to move forward with some sort of on-site consumption ordinance That would also be required to have community outreach And go to planning commission The earliest I believe we'd be able to be here for that would be december And you have a one meeting in december. So just be mindful of that Okay, um the next two are two coastal commission approvals one for the density bonus language and one for incorporation of the local hazards mitigation plan into the general plan Again, these are tentative. I have fairly certain Direction from the coastal commission based on a conversation I had last week that we will be going in september on the density bonus item Unfortunately, they had some oh, and I forgot the cultural resources maps down there too. There's three coastal commission ones unfortunately there were some because we haven't updated our General plan to be or our lhmp. I'm sorry our lcp is alphabet soup. We're going to play bingo later um the the lcp The way that we brought it forward to council is that it was tied to the general plan 2030 But our current lcp is not tied to general plan 2030 So we may have a little cleanup with you that we need to come back that was an oversight on our part We need may need to come back and just have you update Uh a the uh authorizing resolution to take it to coastal to essentially say A General plan 2005 So those those two will be tentative We'll hear more from the coastal commission this month on if they need us to do that or not So we're kind of in a holding pattern on those two again Not necessarily expecting that those two will take a lot of effort But it really depends on what the coastal commission staff ends up recommending to their approving body And if we need to write any rebuttals or anything like that so And then finally, uh the downtown plan updates, um the planner who is uh working on that that She is already the specialist on that and she's been looking into it and would be ready to go Um, I don't I wouldn't expect that we would be ready to have it completely To council by the end of the year. Um, there is a significant amount of outreach to the effective properties and depending on What council decides they want to do with the sp2 grant which we'll be talking about a little bit later That may impact the scope of the downtown plan updates So that might change this timeline a little bit But the idea would be that we would be able to do our outreach For a lot of these things the ad us the cannabis stuff The downtown plan updates in that kind of september through november area And then be ready to be back before planning commission and then council with several things in that november and december time frame So that those are the two Planners that I have the two resources that I have this would be my proposal To make sure that we're meeting all of our mandated deadlines achieving and moving forward on goals that council indicated were important and That we're able to do it in a time frame where we're you know I would much rather under promise and over deliver than tell you guys that we can be here with something that we That we can't do so that is why i'm proposing Everything to be done this way Then finally, I will work on two additional things. So I will be coming forward to council in october or november with several options for A proposal for the sp2 grant We're talking through right now with the economic development department what we think might be successful in achieving A successful grant application, but we would really like direction from council on which of those projects to propose So we're working on that now. We have to have our package into them by the end of november So what you'll see from me in october Or maybe the first meeting in november depending on the timing of other agenda items would be three potential options one of which would be expanded Updates to the downtown plan But that's another conversation for another time, but that could potentially impact the downtown plan Work timeline for the orange planner And so you'll see me there here in november with that and then I am in co-project manager on the coastal resilience Grant item with tiffany wise west our climate action manager There are a series of deliverables that are mandated by the grant that we have to meet with that So I will be working on that Through december 2020 and then obviously overseeing the team and reviewing reports and all of the things that come forward to the council Between now and the end of the year and ongoing So with that there were several non ap division priority items Or priority items that had joint responsibility with our team. I've outlined these in the report There's the transitional encampment project charter and community engagement effort that is currently underway Being handled by the city manager's office The blue beam electronic plans submittal and review our administrative team is working on moving that forward And housing city council study session as I mentioned in the staff report Should council Want the ap team to move forward on that we would need to have a discussion If that is before the end of the year on what other things would need to be prioritized given given the resource constraints There are existing presentations out there from the housing voices outreach process Which are readily available online. There's a lot of content online that might be helpful that said, um, you know, we We serve at the pleasure of we do, you know, our work is at the pleasure of the council So if that is something you'd like us to do this year, then we should have a conversation about the um The trade-offs Okay, so beyond 2019 I just really wanted to quickly kind of talk through you will see as the fourth attachment in your package a Existing a plea p work plan. So this is the work plan that I had slated and Ready to move forward before the prioritization effort happened. So you'll see in there There are several things that were completed. Those are the items in gray in that packet that we did in this last calendar year There's also a series of items that are kind of outstanding But are well underway that are going to be moving forward Into 2020 but they're they're underway and you've seen those reflected in large part in this presentation there's also Several items that came out of the housing blueprint subcommittee report implementation that were Expected to begin at the second half of this last fiscal year. So starting in january that because of council's Reprioritization and interest in other efforts. We haven't been able to start So I just want the council to know that those are still on the work plan But they are not necessarily unless they've been discussed here the highest priority items and On top of that we have our core service items that we generally provide. So ordinance cleanups things like slope There's some slope ordinance stuff. We need to clean up beekeeping ordinance Or language that we'd really like to be able to update to facilitate that and make that An easier thing to do in our community Grant writing there's a lot of core service responding to council and commission inquiries That do get pushed back or slowed up or right now. They're not they're not necessarily the We do our best obviously to respond to to inquiries from the outside but things that other things that we'd like to be doing More rapidly that are have been kind of pushed back Also from our general plan 2030. There's about 350 implementation items in there Not all fully owned by planning but many that planning is the lead or there's partnership on that We are not currently working on So again something to think about and so I would just recommend that as council moves forward to Create your three-year work plan that you would um, you know stay in close contact with the planning department myself our director butler Because we would love to find a way to work with you to ensure that those things are considered as well So with that I will turn it back over Thank you, sarah So we only have two more slides left. I promise to recap essentially Attachment one is is the matrix that we've been talking about with the the revised work plan And the last page of that matrix is a legend that describes how each item is categorized So the very last page shows, you know, the w's represents the staff is actively working on the project a c in the monthly column Is the recommended timeframe coming back to council for action? And then we've got a couple other things they're planning commission and we've also got coastal commission So there's some codes there that drop into the different monthly buckets But the matrix sets forth clear direction for the city staff through the end of the calendar year It's a really important tool for us But so for today We had just the two recommendations that were represented on the cover sheet of your agenda report And that was to receive this report on the outcomes of our Our six-month work plan off-site meeting and by motion provide direction on next steps As appropriate and then the second item was to by motion accept the proposed advanced planning division six-month work plan and With that that concludes our presentation and mayor i'll hand it back to you All right Well, thank you for the presentation and your hard work on all of this information and to nicole Who's unable to be here this evening or this afternoon to explain what uh transpired since our studies I mean our um special sessions so With that we'll go ahead and see if there's any questions from council members before we open up To public comment and then we'll return back for deliberation and I believe council member mires has a question I have a question Other questions council member matthews I just have a quick question on the um well first of all, thank you for organizing all of this. Um It's a huge amount of work And uh, so I know you guys probably weren't on vacation in july based on all the material that you've provided Um, so thank you for organizing this One of my struggles. I think for the last six months is that I feel like our our uh I feel like we have been a little bit all over the place and so I really appreciate I know I know things may change a little bit this afternoon, but I do appreciate seeing seeing everything in one place um I had a little a bit of a question about the um sort of the red green yellow dot stuff and um And I know without being there kind of understanding what red green and yellow dots may be But I'm I guess when I'm trying so I and I see later in the in the document that some of these items will be referred to for example that the cash but In some of these um situations. I I'm not sure that the kind of the waiting Exercise may be played out as clearly Because I think when we were doing this, um, I don't know that we were thinking that these things would be weighted And so, you know one thing that pops out to me a little bit is um For example, um You know the for example, I'll just take the transitional encampments I think that's probably the one that where you've got four reds and you got three greens and you got a yellow So what does that mean? You know in terms of the intent? I'm not saying that we need to take that off per se, but I do think that um as we talk through things today We we should remember Sort of kind of it was It wasn't a fully like developed process and I think some people decided not to put dots up So again, um, I think it's just important for For the public to know that you know, there's a there was a level of sort of casualness to this and uh So I hope that we can continue to have these discussions up here today and Um and just make note of that Just specifically in terms of trying to understand how how we were how we were looking at things So I don't I guess it's more of a comment than a question But I don't know if you had any responses or you know, how those numbers played out at all Sure, so I was not there. Um, so for me, this was the most logical way to try to quantify the um Potentially somewhat nebulous dot exercise Somebody voted twice on the transitional encampment project target by the way because there's eight dots But again, it was a very um Open from what I understand a very open process So this was how I decided to present the material If council does not find that this is appropriate or would like it done another way I am Very very open to that process. I just wanted to try to find a way to Rank it so that I could make sense for my work plan Thank you I just have a quick question and I'll see if other council members have questions as well Um, and and I hate to have you go back on your slides But in terms of the items that you said where some of them are mandatory and others were prior council's direction Can you specify which ones are mandatory this this this slide and which ones are not? Yes, so sp2 planning grant is that deadline is mandatory if council does want us to move forward on that Okay, we do not have to by the state apply for that And I I have a question Well then before we do and then I'll just move it over to other and it is the last also a mandatory item That is mandatory Downtown plan updates. We have to do something by 2020 We either need to extend that deadline again, and I believe it's been at least two if not three times extended already Okay, um Or go ahead and make the updates So the two that aren't necessarily pressing pressing are the local coastal plan And the cannabis ordinance updates or is it just the cannabis ordinance the local coastal plan There's two updates on that one is pressing But that is it will not take resources from the two planners on my team because I am the co-project manager on that So but we do have deadlines to the coastal commission that we have to meet Um, and so that pulls me from being able to do some other things Cannabis ordinance updates entirely up to the council, but we did commit to council to be back in september So that's why that's on here. I mean so we are currently working on that and then Did I answer all the questions? Yeah, no, I just I mean you have time sensitive mandated or previously requested So just to be able to like categorize it in my head of what is truly mandated and summertime sensitive and others are Kind of open. That's really helpful and clarifying. So thank you my pleasure So I see that councillor matthews had a question councillor brown had a question councillor crown had a question Basically the planning matrixes are so impressive Reminds us once again how much is going in all the departments and you guys just have everything on your plate. It's incredible Um, I'm just going to make a few comments. I mean I do want to wait Maybe we can hold off on comments. Okay, and then we'll do questions. We'll open it up to the community and return for comments Does that sound good? Yes at this time. Okay, let me just see if I have questions Oh, I'll wait. Okay Any questions councillor brown? Well, it's it's a a question following up on council member mires comment about the sticker dot exercise Because just and I understand you weren't there And I really appreciate your efforts to make use of that The information from that exercise. Um, but my understanding about the red dots was Though those were placed on items that we that individual council members did not want to that was a negative proceed on So including them in the waiting is a little You know, I don't know that'll make a difference in terms of the action we take today But I just wanted that so that I wasn't that was a clarifying. I was okay. Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thanks Just wanted to make sure I mean I was there, but you know sometimes not all was there All there a bunch of questions. Um Just going through this document. There's some things here I don't know about like the downtown needs assessments coordinated maintenance and beautification plan That is not a planning item. I think that is um, is that in the matrix that has the blue on the spreadsheet? The attachment one right right. Yeah, so that is more broader citywide. So I would defer to Ron on that one And I would have to defer to the department that that's associated with so let let me try to find that and I have this here I can try to address it really quickly. So this is uh, it's actually based on previous council direction with the previous council where We were asked to really focus on drawing trying to make some beautification efforts in the downtown Largely, a lot of it is sort of maintenance items painting the railings Just updating some of the things that have gotten Tired and worn and so the economic development department is taking the lead and They've done an assessment. They've walked all up and down and identified all the things that need to be You know kind of cleaned up or updated or painted So that's what that's about What's the eda grant a ucsc Santa Cruz? What page is that one on? 11 This is not a planning item. So i'm not well versed enough to be able to spit. Well, here's bonny Oh, bonny lipscomb director of economic development. That's a grant we applied for With ucsc and a number of partners And we applied for a few grants. That's one. We've gotten initial feedback for to resubmit So we're we take advantage of opportunities where we feel like we're a good fit to bring grant money into the community And this is when we had a lot of support from the university as well What what's it hoping to do if when if you get right the grant Specifically it was looking at entrepreneurship opportunities and reinvestment in local businesses. And so we were looking with And particularly looking at the university and they had some support with their startup sandbox and then with Santa Cruz work So we were trying to leverage Leverage that into bringing more funding into incubate small businesses in Santa Cruz Thank you On page five. There was revenue bond sale Implementation 350 150 million 10 year cip. What is that? That's the water departments Water infrastructure bonds, I believe Yes, that's the water departments There was One more here No, I think that That's all thanks. Okay. Did you have a question? Yeah, um, thank you So, uh, all great information. Uh, it was it was a good opportunity to get an idea of all the things planning is doing Um, I was curious on the yellow Planning sheet. I think it was Let's see here Yeah, that one. Um, the timeline for the rental housing data collection process I know y'all have a bunch of other stuff going on It just seems like four and a half months to get it back out in front of The council is a long time for just establishing a concept. Um, not even I'm sure you're pulled in a million different directions So, uh, I'm just curious in what are there some creative ways that the planning department is looking to try and Get some of that work off of your principal senior planners and on the people that are a little bit That don't be quite as qualified to do some research and pull together some potential structures or look at Contrasting cities like El Cerrito. I think some of the other ones that are in come up this evening To come up with the preparing of the concept and then even assisting with some of the outreach To speed up that process or allow your principal planners to be focusing on some of the things that Say community members or interns would not be available to do like the adu language and stuff like that sure so, um We'll talk a little bit more about the timeline of that this evening and why we feel that that is a reasonable timeline, I think potentially We And sarah is probably watching this and is going to shoot me for saying this We could potentially be back to council in november I don't think we would be able to do it any faster than that And the reason for that is that there's an extensive amount of community outreach that we're going to want to do for that particular topic You'll hear tonight that we will be talking about doing a series of focus groups a couple of citywide community meetings Given the tone and tenor of the conversations around everything rental housing right now We really think that it's very important to do a deep dive with the community in terms of assuming again This is an assumption assuming that council tonight directs us to go ahead and move forward with something close to The proposal that we put forward to you tonight Those things take time to set up and to do properly I think we might be able to get back to you in november with the council check-in I do understand the urgency behind it absolutely But again, I would much rather take the time to do it right The time it takes to bake a pizzas the time it takes to make a pizza You can take it out of the oven early, but it might not be that good, right? I just want to make sure that we're and if we can over deliver Fabulous, but I would rather be really reasonable in terms of the time frame And then come back early then tell you something and not be able to meet your expectations Absolutely, and I totally appreciate that the question though is are there any creative problem solving or solutions being implemented that could take some of that smaller less engaged work off of your principal planners and be placed on to say volunteers from the community interns or Staff or better representatives that don't necessarily need quite as much professional training as your principal planners So I know that there are a lot of people within the housing Rental world I would imagine that would be happy to donate their time to compare or draw things together if that's the kind of things that you're doing just based off of the The the way you have it described now each one of these headings may be completely different than what I'm imagining them based on the heading But to prepare a concept would be in my opinion To gather information from other places and then put it together into a proposal that would then be used for outreach Moving forward so sure sure, you know could you use local housing advocate support? In creating that process so that it wouldn't fall on your one of two principal planners Sure, and so I think that obviously staff is open to all of these things My concern would be um that we really and you'll hear this tonight when we make our presentation We really as the city want to Um at least our staff my team wants to do everything we can to be very neutral in that process And we would welcome assistance from anybody who is open to giving it, but I also want to be very pragmatic and diplomatic in making sure that it is I want us to be able to develop a data source that is trusted by everybody and my my concern is that if we start Having outside input especially in the formation of it that the data will never be trusted And and I want I want us to get to a point where we're able to have a mutually trusted Conversation based on some data that we can all buy into And so again, I am open and if you have suggestions and maybe as we talk about it a little later this evening you know we can Maybe talk about if how this changes or if we're able to do anything like that But I would just be really hesitant because I want I just really want our community to be able to come together around this and I'm just so fearful that We just need to be very very Calculated in our approach in terms of making sure that's trusted maybe if I may I think that So the purpose is of this conversation that we can have those in-depth conversations around this specific item this evening Sure, and because I think that will absolutely Influence the general kind of direction in the next several months Yeah, it was more just with regard to the timeline that's anticipated here and if there's a way to either move Resources for the more trained people into some of the more Arduous tasks and offset some of the volunteerism, but thank you for your input. I appreciate it And absolutely we can move forward Okay, unless there's any additional Questions we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment Is there any member of the community who would like to address us on this item? Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes And I just want to note. I'm acknowledging that you do want to address. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not I'm I'm sorry. I'm speaking to the gentleman in the left here on my left here who's sitting down just before I Feel to recognize that okay, please My name is raw fail And just to make sure you'll have up to two minutes, but we'll go ahead and see if the speaker can do it Thank you so just looking at the proposed plans as Some of the council members noticed the the cannabis work plan is A plan that's being implemented entirely at the direction of the city council I would suggest that maybe the council consider Substituting those planning programs with other programs that might be more high priorities such as homelessness related policies or planning around those Speaking personally as a member of the community advisory committee on homelessness I would personally like to be able to coordinate with the planning department in our Work and the sooner that we could do that the better especially considering that there are Time constraints when it comes to State funding that's available I believe there's there's a heap money that's coming Available that hasn't been spent through the HAP process yet that you know that that would be stuff that would be worthwhile to consider and to worth be worthwhile To coordinate with the planning department on if there are programs that The city council thought were Maybe more high priority when it came to Sort of the the human cost compared to something like a cannabis ordinance. Thank you Okay, is there any additional members of the community who would like to address us? Okay, you'll be our last speaker Afternoon Scott Graham I would like to see the ADU ordinances updated to reflect that Any units out there that are non permitted now would be grandfathered in as long as they're safe and not a fire hazard and Also that the permit process be brought in line with what's going on in the county where if people Agree to keep these units at an affordable level That they don't have to pay the fees to The permit fees to build a unit Um, I would also like to see there an update to the inclusionary housing element That they're right now Developers can pay an in-loop fee which will not build a unit So the in-loop fee used it needs to be raised to a level where It could build a unit and maybe even higher than the cost of building a unit San Francisco, they haven't doubled the cost of building a unit. So if a developer doesn't want to have an inclusionary unit The city will be able to build two units somewhere else The other thing Which goes along with what this last guy was talking about Maybe doing something about homeless within the next six months Going along with Item 17 one of the things you could work on is a safe parking program So that you know instead of having these vehicles that people are living in out on the street There's a place for them to go where they're going to be safe where there's going to be You know possible porta potties or something Thank you Okay, we'll go ahead and return it back to council action and deliberation The recommendation before us is to receive the report which we have and then by motion Accept the proposed advanced planning division six month work plan So that's sort of the parameters in which we are asked to consider the direction we're going in councilmember Glover and then councilmember matthews and then councilmember brown Thank you. Uh, yeah, so a lot of um Great input from the community. I think something that's really telling and that I totally agree with is the catch And the ability for them to work with planning intentionally and freeing up some of the spaces One of the things I know that the catch is looking into is transitional encampments, but a variety of other things was zoning and parking space potentials all those other kinds of things so if Feasible and possible. I'd love to hear from planning about the possibility of De-prioritizing the cannabis ordinance even though you were planning on coming back in september with it and then reap and prioritizing Solutions or at least tool for homelessness Sure. So, um, yes, we are open to taking whatever direction council would prefer on that those two Would be good to swap For a couple of reasons number one the cannabis items are not Mandated so we don't have mandated timelines The the key commitment that we've made is To the industry that we would look at those things and to council that we would be back at that specific date So those are really the two commitments that we have Additionally, um planner orange is the planner who I have slated to work with the Catch on those ordinances. Yes, so she would be the content expert for that So it would be a great swap if that is something that council was interested in doing Okay, then I'd make the motion then that we would Read we would de-prioritize cannabis and replace it with uh, the analysis of the transitional encampment project planning to work with catch for a more expedited outcome Okay, we have a motion by council member glover. Is there a second? Council member brown and then council member um Myers So in in terms of and I agree with the comments made by mr. Sonnenfeld And council member glover about the importance of this item. I guess I'm wondering If given the timeline for the catch And the potential work that would be involved from advanced planning related to transitional encampments Is that something that you think would be a one-for-one replacement? I also just wonder about the timeline because I wonder if we're going to get those kinds of recommendations from the catch like immediately If I know maybe if I may before you respond to Sarah the vice mayor and myself were at the first cash meeting and Just sort of welcoming them but allowing them to do their work So we stepped ourselves out of the conversation But my understanding was that there was an interest that and this was related to the cash members That if there were things that they could bring forward to the council Right away in terms of policy recommendations prior to the conclusion of their time Serving in this committee that they would do so So I think it was sort of open in that that we had areas that we'd like to see action on Sooner rather than later and if and when they're prepared to do that that that would come and take priority So I think it's sort of to be determined but definitely an area where we could bring and fit that in So my question isn't just about the timeline It's about the amount of work that would be involved with this with the preliminary conversations I mean, I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding like wrapping my mind around What? I mean, would this be a full-time or like, you know, a big piece of a work, you know, uh, project Managers work. Well, it depends on what the catch would like us to look at You know, if it's if it's a full ordinance, that's a pretty big project If it is amending something existing, that's a little different and it really depends on The it really depends on what the catch would like us to look at and then that will inform the amount of time and the outreach That would be needed And also, you know, if they're timing if they don't if they're not ready to move forward until october We we certainly would not be able to be back before council before the end of the six months, right? So maybe a suggestion that I could make is that We move forward with cannabis as Currently slated with the understanding or the caveat that should the catch be ready to move forward And have our staff plug in that that would be the first thing that would potentially be Deferred or that would be what that opportunity would cost the cost would be for that So we would then put that cannabis work on hold and pick up the catch So moved okay So council member matthews and then starting council member mires Okay, I think there's a motion on the floor. I'd Personally prefer to hear everyone's comments before we start amending the plan here. Okay. Um, and so I just have a few questions and comments On the sp2 planning grant. Uh, is that uh for the project of our choice? So it needs to be It needs to be a project that is um In its planning stage. So not a development project or construction project or anything like that, but planning for increasing housing That really is the goal of the of the grant program. And so what we would be Excuse me be bringing forward to council would be three potential options for you to choose from for us to apply for okay And I understand there's some out there that are Eligible for this it would help support the Staff support for this consultants. Uh, you mean in terms of the money? Yeah Yes, so the money could be used for um developing of the plan funding staff to assist with the Development of plan hiring a consultant. There's a whole gamut of things that that money can be used for But it's for the planning for example. It could be like Pacific station or is that planning for that? Yeah, potentially. Yeah, potentially just a for example And Um What are the two local coastal? Categories of updates can just very briefly if you absolutely sure so um one is one that's been outstanding since our general plan 2030 which is a comprehensive update of our local coastal plan in order to Bring it up to date with our general plan 2030 because currently it references our general plan 2005 And then also to update Some sea level rise policies that was the original intent But since then we've received this grant from the coastal commission to add an entire hazard section To our coastal program or coastal plan that would um address sea level price Sea level rise in a much deeper way And so it's almost kiss-met that this other item has been on on hold so that we can can do them together But they are two separate projects But my my goal in order to maximize our resources is to try to take them forward together In general, it seems to me those things that have dates and targets and so forth. Yes. Yes No bringing There couple one of the things that occurred to me that um, I think we have heard is a priority For people's not on this list at all is something we've been talking about a plastic pollution ordinance So that that's just one more thing That's right. Um, that would be in core services And I don't think we'd probably be inventing the wheel probably collaborating with what the county's been doing in that general direction But again, it's one more thing. So how do you see that fitting in here? Um, Well, um I think I don't know if it would be advanced planning actually slated for an upcoming council member to be brought forward I mean upcoming council meeting to be brought forward in the near future. I'm just thinking of yeah Because if it doesn't fall in title 24 typically now, this is typically public works. Yeah, it would fall in a different department. Yeah, got it. Okay um Just a couple of things. Um I personally would really like to see at some point a housing study session Because I think back of the deep work that was done a few years ago and so many of these things have just been Pushed back down the line, but are so critical to everybody. I think a shared urgency about housing So, um, it's it's one thing to say well all that route all that information is in the housing blueprint report But honestly, that's not the same as having a study session. So Probably, you know, not so much for me, but for the council members that didn't go through that very deep year on housing issues. It could be um a good personal Focus on that Another thing that It's kind of related that um Things a challenge for us to come up with a three-year plan Is that um, we are one council and there's going to be another council in 2020 and this is what i'm thinking back with the housing things The effort that went into that thing and then you know life goes on. I mean that's how city councils are but um I think it'll just be for all of us and those who continue to maintain a focus and um Not waste all that effort of of thinking hard and developing a three-year plan and then It's all different. So that that's just perspective um One of the things that um, I just want to ask you about is the ocean street rezoning because it seems to me that is such potential for um upgrading of our main commercial core and housing and um, that's just not on the map Is that right? So it um ranked depending on if we're counting the red dots as one or as nothing It ranked either as a three or a four with the highest thing on here ranking um a 15 So that is why I don't have it reflected here now if council Chooses to give staff direction to do that then of course we will pick that up But in terms of the ranking it didn't it didn't rank high on the list Okay, I think those were my questions Okay, and so just sort of keeping a kind of an eye on the clock here I think one of the things that we want to Recognize is how comprehensive and complex this is that this will be integrated into the three-year work plan But if council members want to express areas of agreement for what's before us As they go through their comments or questions that would be appropriate I'll just sort of because I can't make a motion. I'll just briefly sort of share my thoughts on this I'm supportive of the cannabis Kind of being on the back burner I think when we think about the pressing issues issues for the entire community housing and homelessness and such like that Really does rise to that level and if we can free up in terms of opportunity costs there Knowing that this is something we do want to address But not necessarily it has to be within the next several months Then that would be an opportunity for an opening for us to address some of the other pressing issues um I think that that said that could go for The if there's any items that the cash wants to bring forward as well as Something that was brought to my attention that could become available Which is the electrification of policy in policy around that for planning And what could be potential funding available through the Monterey Bay community powers And knowing that that is an area I think of alignment and opportunity for us to really Accelerate our abilities to have more sustainable housing that would be a really great opportunity that we don't want to lose sort of Upcoming kind of potential there. So that would be sort of my Kind of overall sentiment here I think tonight when we have the in-depth conversation we'll have an opportunity to go into what that means for the community So with that I'll turn it over to councilmember mires and then vice mayor Cummings and then councilmember brown I just a couple quick quick questions Let's see gotta keep losing it there. It looks like some reason the housing It's on page Page one of the chart at the bottom For some reason the housing study session was put under the cash. It says handle through cash And I don't I don't think that was the intent of the housing blueprint Which I think speaking to councilmembers Matthews This was really I believe meant to be looking more broadly at you know back at the blueprint Making sure we're tracking on on our housing goals and objectives I'm not quite sure why that ended there and right below that It's 125 curl street property acquisition and Based on the timeline so I agree I I'm not feeling that transitional encampments are immediate priority. I'm very interested though to Make sure that we don't Ignore and this is going to be a planning Unfortunately a planning question If we do and aren't able to acquire the coral street property and we go into a master planning process for both the hsc and the coral street Um That is a huge priority for us for homelessness I would say that's quite a bit higher than transitional encampments at this point and from what I understand We have a very short timeline to do the acquisition and then do planning then actually start to To operationalize what I think will be a major Overhaul of our infrastructure around how we are able to actually service people who are unsheltered in our community So that didn't come up anywhere. I know that's a big planning question for you. It's a cash question I'm not sure who whose world that belongs in but I'd like to see that. Um, I guess my comment is my question is Did that get missed or should we refine this description and then just question about the housing study session? Maybe that's just a typo and it ended up in a weird place So yes on the housing study session that did end up in a weird place. I don't think that that was intended to Be handled through the catch. I agree. Okay, great. So that one addressed In terms of the coral street and the master planning process with that I would defer to the city manager's office in terms of what department that would fall to I it You know, it would be up to them to assign the work to to where it would Where it would best fit With respect to the master planning process. Yeah, it's it's a it's a team effort with our office Taking the lead since we're focusing on the homelessness issues In combination with economic development and property management As well those I think are the primary and public works and depending on the various issues that come Arise out of looking at the master plan. It also have to be done in conjunction with the county And the services that are provided. They're obviously in the homeless services center. So it'll be a team effort Vice mayor Cummings and then councilor Brown I had a question because I know that there's a number of Items that have kind of just been in the queue for example the inclusionary ordinance and then I thought I remembered things items coming up around the corridors plan and when that would be coming back To city council and so I was just kind of curious where those stand right now because those were brought up probably back in january February and It's now august and I'm just kind of curious where those stand sure so I would defer to the economic development director on the inclusionary ordinances In terms of the corridor items. They have continually been deferred from our work plan because of repositioning council priorities and so The unfortunate reality is that with the resources we have they have it has been pushed back It we were originally expecting to be able to start Restart that the conversation with the community in january but Things change and that's okay. It's not that we don't want to get to it. It's just that we haven't had the capacity and so As an outcome of the prioritization effort what we're seeing is that it's still not ranked highly So I would say unless council decides at some point either today or in the future to re-prioritize that I wouldn't expect us to be getting to that until At least nine months out at this point given the current workload and the resources that we have Thanks, and I would just add about the inclusionary ordnance. Actually, it should be in there I think we were having a discussion about sort of the timing of the settlement discussions and not wanting to put a time Down there, but I think we could put down there and leave it somewhat vague at this point But we should be tracking on that and so it should be included so we can follow up and make sure it's it's in there Okay, councilmember brown and then councilmember matthews and then hopefully we can move in some direction for All right, so there's a motion that's hanging out there So I don't want to preempt that but I would like I have a motion that is Has some additional items that I would like the council to consider so i'm just wanting to see Which will include Okay, do you want to withdraw your motion allow for lovers hasn't been seconded? Oh, I'll still withdraw the motion just uh to out of interest of council brown's motion I'm gonna give it a shot and we'll see where it goes. Okay, so I Um, first I just want to say I really do appreciate all of the work that's gone into this I also want to appreciate staff for bearing with us as you have been buffeted by shifting wins and so I I don't want to continue to contribute to that and I I do want us to get to a place where we have some kind of Clear understanding of what's realistic in and priority in the next six months um Recognizing that some of these items will take more time than others some of them may take longer for Reasons that are kind of external other things may come up. I all of that is still there and I don't want to You know, I want to acknowledge that those are all possibilities But right now what I'd like to accept the report As recommended by staff and move to revise the six month work program for The advanced planning division Um as follows Do my best based upon like what I've heard and if I miss something jump in So I I think that retaining the rental housing data collection program pending our conversation this evening Retaining the adu affordability review Retaining review of the planning commission subcommittee and I think you said that should be handled so it's not a big item And also retaining obviously anything mandated That's required you know required for us and retaining The sp2 planning grant application. I think it would be silly to miss out on an opportunity for Getting some additional resources And um, but I also do want to add back in the planning commission review Of general plan policies related to the corridors to resolve existing conflicts I have attempted to do this now. It's kind of been left on put on the back burner But I would like us I believe this is a serious community priority And I would like us to Take it on I don't know that how much work that's going to be to initiate that process and have conversations with Members in the community. We've had requests for this Repeatedly so I want to add planning commission review of general plan policies related to the corridors to resolve existing conflicts And my motion is for staff to bring us back this The revisions of the next meeting august 27th with these changes And to delay and to add Recommendations that may come through the from the catch Where they involve advanced planning? I don't want to limit it to transitional encampments, but I believe that's um on since it's on their agenda And they've the members made that request that's certainly there But just recommendations that in would involve Advanced planning to the extent they do involve advanced planning in this six month period And to delay remaining recommended projects until 2020 Um Except projects can be included to the extent they don't impede these out of these projects. I think these are really for the priorities and Richard so return at the next council meeting with their revised work program second So we have a motion by council member brown seconded by vice mayor Cummings Um, is there a question from staff? Well, I just do have one concern. So, um the Content expert For the ocean street and golf club drive Policies is the same individual who is working on this already very dense workload. And so my concern is that um One of these items may need to come off in order for her to do that and given the Mandate of the state on some of these things and the rental housing data collection assuming that does move forward Um, I and we can't move the coastal commission approval. I would I guess recommend removing the adu Uh affordability review and uh sfd parking modifications in exchange for that. That's really the only wiggle room I have for her Okay That that is all right with me And so I didn't quite finish my motion because this one I believe is not for advanced planning I do want to include in the motion to ensure The review of inclusionary Be recognized as part of our overall work plan not advanced planning So I'm making that separately, but it within the motion. So I guess the third piece of that Okay, so And just if I'm okay with that, I mean, I you know, I think it's a priority I you know, I know we've been talking about it for a long time But I I just want to make sure that this And the golf club drive is not in my motion. Okay noted. Okay, and then I would also say too You know as much as we can bring the affordable The second adu item. I can't seem to say that today back with the mandated legislative updates If it makes sense and it's able to do and they don't end up getting split off into two separate things It may be manageable But if for some reason either from the community consultation process or from council's desire to maybe Have additional changes to that that is the one thing on her work plan that would probably get dropped It would have to get dropped in exchange for the the Corridor's policies and I appreciate you raising that and being realistic and which is Why I say to the extent include whatever all they're all priorities. So include to the extent they don't impede That added project All right, so we have a motion by council member Brown a second by vice mayor Cummings There are elements that I agree with in this motion and then there's areas that I would like to kind of address in terms of concern and maybe Probably not accepted as a friendly amendment, but would propose that You know having gone through The corridor plan when we were running for council years ago and recognizing that it is unresolved But also keeping in mind ultimately How are we best influencing housing and affordability of housing to revisit an item for me at this time with enough Kind of controversy In the community doesn't necessarily feel to me as fruitful as it could be if that were incorporated into this reyear Strategic plan So in the next six months for me having us really focus on some of the things that are really going to facilitate in a way that had community support And community input on in regards to such things like ad us and really helping ultimately with the mind around affordable housing That would be my priority to revisit and open sort of what I would suggest is sort of this kind of lingering wound and um in the time that we're at feels um Really concerning personally, but also recognizing it definitely will be resolved and I know that was sort of the that was the Sentiment um from the blueprint subcommittee From the prior council. I think that's definitely Area that this I'm sure this council wants to revisit and not necessarily move forward within a way that's dedicating resources on but um to to bring that up in the next several months feels um For me concerning. So um, that would be my sort of instinctual reaction to that element of the Of the motion although other areas I I support Council member matthews and then council member mires. I got the impression from staff's comments that inclusionary Review should be on here. Is that correct? Yeah, so I think we could just I'm just saying it's not so I want to make sure it is and have that on the record And just to confirm it's not on the ap work plan, but it is in uh on page three of the larger city of san accruz Six months work plan. It is um near the bottom there There's a ordinance updates for rental projects and for ownership projects And it's just indicated to start at the beginning of the next calendar year and and I have repeatedly brought uh an agenda item to uh have that considered sooner I've pulled it and I'm not interested in waiting until next year interested On that one I I'm not so we'll see what others say just I'm council member mires. Yeah, I'd like to echo just a little bit for the motion maker I think that I heard very clearly that there's a number of general plan 2030 objectives and I think that We could probably realistically say corridors ocean street and probably golf club drive are sort of that sweet Which is you know future development areas Um and I think that that fits in our in our three-year strategic plan starting, you know Really really well I worry that we continue to lose sort of the opportunity of low hanging fruit with ad use and trying to get Those jumps started. I talked to lee Just a week or two ago and you know There's a lot of permits sitting or you know, there's really there's not a lot of movement because I think that We're sort of halfway through the revisions And I think people are still waiting to know whether or not they really want to try to pursue building an ad you So, um, I would echo the mayor's Comments that if we were able to prioritize those three planning efforts into the strategic planning process And we were able to really give Planning staff time to just finish off the ad use if you would be amenable to that Do you want to make that as a Friendly amendment Well, I mean I can respond. I want to let others speak but I can respond or Yeah, I mean I would propose it as a I think you had ad use in your motion though. No, I I and I want to keep ad use in the motion with the understanding as As sarah suggests that that would be the that would have to drop off I would so I'd like to keep it in there, but For me, um, no So I and I'll just try to explain my rationale here with the corridors I believe and I I completely understand mayor Watkins your concerns about um, you know the controversy around this I understand the Possibility for this to be considered as us within the suite of kind of expansions for development purposes, but what I'm seeing to extend the analogy Or the metaphor of the wound. I believe this is a festering wound and it's not um, something that Ignoring is going to I mean, it's it's open. You know, it is open. And so I don't believe that this is opening it up more I believe that this is giving creating an opportunity for public that has been waiting and a pretty organized public that's been waiting to Um, participate in that conversation. So that is my rationale for for doing this right now I just maybe I have a clarifying question So in terms of the rationale to do that urgently But also weighing that against the opportunity cost of having a impact on affordable housing Sort of in the immediate How do you reconcile that? Because that to me doesn't necessarily move the needle on affordable housing or sort of solutions around that at this time I'm not sure that it's going to preempt moving the needle On affordable housing. I mean, I think what's going to move the needle on affordable housing is if we approve projects that have Affordable units in them and some of those will be coming to us So I think there are There are ways to move that needle and we haven't been doing that and and I hope we will But I don't think that that is a trade-off that's being made by inclusion of consideration of you know, revisiting the corridors Maybe that would be a question for advanced planning in terms of your expectation in timing if We're unable to address certain things that you have listed here that fall within this person's parameters That really I think do try to move policy that's going to influence housing production in a way that was Sort of accepted by the community at the time in terms of policy If we were to move forward with the policy to revisit the corridors and have that go forward as Kind of a component of this individual's work plan Will that cost will the opportunity be cost be to stop work on some of these other efforts? Yes in the short term And there's a couple there's a couple of points. So The first one is that we do currently have a tool to be able to approve Projects in the on the corridors even though we do have clearly the inconsistency between the general plan and the zoning That is absolutely correct But we do through our plan development and development agreement processes have a way to be able to Approve those projects. So we do currently have a tool in place Yes, there would be an opportunity to cost if we did want to move forward right now with With it in really frankly the next four months It would be the ad you item here that we discussed Additionally, one of the items that we'll be bringing forward Is the sb2 grant proposal would be to Potentially apply for the grant to help us have that conversation with the community Not only on ocean street potentially depending on You know how the funding shakes out potentially on additional corridors as well That was one option. We'll be bringing I believe a downtown plan expanded update And I can't remember what the third option was but that is something that is not very much on our radar and that We're interested in getting feedback from council on in terms of that that grant program But yes, candidly there would be an opportunity cost here and we do have tools in place to be able to approve projects in that area So That's just something for council to to weigh I'll just reiterate my concern about that because I think you know given the fact that we are going to do a Community outreach process for a long-term strategic planning process It really feels very kind of fitting to have that corridor aspect built into that Knowing that within the next four months and under the current conditions of living and affordability that we could potentially make a difference I don't feel comfortable doing that personally Knowing that that's the opportunity cost So councilmember crone and then councilmember matthews and then I have a friendly amendment I'd like to add to the motion. I'm not sure sir. I'm not sure if this is the right question, but like Where where is the corridors plan because I Thought over the last couple elections. It was it was dying dying dying and dead and other people in the community have raised concerns that it's not actually in that They would like to see it dead I'm not saying that that's what I want, but where where is the corridors plan and why is it still have life Sure, so the corridors plan was actually put on hold in 2017 as a part of the housing voices outreach process The mayor at that time mayor chase Really wanted to have a deep dive conversation with the community about broader housing issues And so through that we had the housing voices outreach process and then subsequent to that We had the housing blueprint subcommittee recommendations which came forward in just over a year ago As a part of that the corridors process is in there, but it was not one of the primary priorities for that first six months of the New fiscal year last year and so what you saw has come forward within the new fiscal year last year was our community outreach policy Some ad u updates a large rent increase updates. We did an analysis of the measure m So those were the things that our team was was focused on Um We were slated then to start the corridors process conversation again in december But when the new council came on it was pushed back again so that we could continue to have conversations around homelessness and just cause eviction and other rental protections and tenant and landlord protection conversations and so As of today where it stands is that it's still on hold Because it has not come to the top and it's not on it's on the next six months Work plan because it hasn't come to the top of the prioritization list in the straw pool So that's kind of the history of where it's moved and where it's sitting. Um, it very much still exists It's not dead. Um, it just hasn't been the hottest boiling pot And I I would just sort of add that I have an email from the city manager That just basically and I think nothing has really changed that staff was suspending work on the corridors rezoning and to help further Directed at that point and that's been sort of the correct. Correct when we when the council last went through a prioritization process that was sort of the council direction to Not make it a priority. He didn't say don't do it. He said don't let's not make it a priority. And so as Was explained by sarah that has been what the staff has been doing So, uh, I think vice mayor Cummings council member brown Councilor matthews and then maybe we can take bit by bit the motion I know that we're going to end up pushing cannabis off for a while But I just wanted to state that having met with a lot of the small business owners and knowing that cannabis is a new Industry that's rapidly growing And additionally the loss of tax revenue from retail that we've been experiencing that I think we need to keep in mind How we can work with some of the small local cannabis businesses that have been around for a long time to ensure That they're going to be able to remain in our community and be successful because if we neglect them too much The consequences could be that they would not be able to stay in our community and would be replaced by large corporate Cannabis retailers and so I just want to put that out there that we should really think about How we can better support the cannabis industry as we move forward I also wanted to make a friendly amendment that we That when cannabis comes back that it also is considering standalone consumption sites, which were which are different from on-site consumption Council member brown and then council member matthews and then I have a friendly amendment So Just to be clear and so we're there's no misunderstanding um I think part of the issue that Is calling for some you know Revisiting the corridors now is that there are tools and mechanisms available to continue with Elements of the corridors developments without there being a clear plan and agreement about what that plan is So it's precisely because there are those tools that there are so many people in the community who are very concerned about it So I just want to be clear about that. It's it's not uh Like that's part of the issue Not part of the Solution to we can deal with this later For me anyway and the people that have been communicating with me about this Just to be clear Okay, council member matthews and then maybe we can go yeah Just a quick point. I overlooked before one of the items which is yet to be started, but it keeps coming up in terms of housing that could exist is Looking at unpermitted dwelling units and so I just You know that's what everyone's can't we just deal with that one? Sure So again that wasn't highly ranked in the straw bowl and there's two elements to that There's working with our code enforcement team Because there's the actual kind of building code issues, but then there's also the land use issues So it's a dual team effort and on the land use issues Which where we could talk about things like parking and things of that nature that would require somebody from my team So the code enforcement team is working moving forward on their piece Our piece has not started yet because We it hasn't been prioritized by council. Well, personally, that's an area where I'd like to go As well as Keeping the ad use on there I did have a Just a comment. It's on page one the community engagement it and throughout the text that refers to the wise democracy Process when I heard that it was like a tool, but it was not guiding the whole engagement It's one among many many tools. I think it would make sense to Delete that specific reference. It sounds like that's the Framework for the whole community engagement process. That's just my comment. That's the way I understood that And then just in terms of process, I think I would really like to see Specifically the actions that are different from what's What we've been given here and that we Either achieve consensus or vote On the changes because I think we all have some we're gonna vote for and some not And we could we could do that we could facilitate that Yes, and I do have this sheet here. So I mean, I know we are a little constrained for time So if you would like us to come back at the next meeting we could do that But I'd also have a worksheet here that if it's if you'd like I think we could let's try to go through it by Just sort of item that we have in the motion and then we'll see if we need to do it by sheet I'll have I have a friendly amendment one of the things that I know that I know councilor brown knows that we talked about with the housing blueprint Subcommittee was to get the child care developer impact fee before us. That's a really great tool to facilitate resource for child care, which is leave as fundamentally Struggling nationwide and in our community and is a huge need for working families It's a tool that we have as policy makers and I'd like to see that prioritized for the next four months So that would be my friendly amendment to the maker of the motion question for clarification If we're going to be taking each of these individually or you're asking to include it then in the motion and then Look at each of them individually. Okay. Okay. Is that accepted from the second? Okay. Great Councilmember Kern and then we'll go through just a side issue I was wondering about the ucsc long range development plan liaison. Where does that fall on here? And what would it take to get that started? That's happening. It's happening and it's not advanced planning. We're working with the the county to Do an mlu to be able to hire the staff person for that? Okay. Yeah, we're working RFP is going out soon next week or something and there's a committee that's really taking the focus of that work. Yes Councilor vice mayor Cummings, and then we'll go through the motion And you said that there were two separate individuals kind of working on these different items and I was wondering where Review of the rental inspection program might fall in here whether that would be something that we could also include For one of these people to do if it's not going to be too cumbersome Sure, and so that does not fall to the advanced planning team that would fall to our code enforcement team and Here's laura landry Mayor c council members laura landry with code compliance And we are currently working on options to bring to council in october Sorry Thank you Okay, so let's go ahead and try to tackle the motion I have the first and council member brown. Maybe you can reiterate the first element being to have the rental housing database And kept in but pending conversation this evening. Is that correct? Yeah I can read it off Okay So the motion is to direct staff to return at our august 27th meeting with a revised six month work program for the advanced planning division including the following Retaining mandated projects and Retaining the sp2 planning grant application Retaining the housing data collection program pending Decisions to be made at this evening's City council session, let's maybe pause there Given that portion of the motion. How are comfortable in the council with those elements? To keep the mandated to continue if mandated there was there was a cluster of things that were both mandated or had timelines They weren't mandated there was sp2 and then there was There was a page of things that had there that one So but time sensitive being All but cannabis essentially So yeah, we're supportive of as a council on that Okay, so time sensitive and mandated. Okay Okay, so that would then be including every element here other than cannabis which we've had discussions about Lowering the priority. Does everybody feel comfortable with that? Yes Okay, so for that portion of the motion all those in favor Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay that passed unanimously All right, and then we will take the next bit All right 80 affordability review ending Recognizing sorry recognizing that it may need to drop off Depending on how much the time how much time other items take And on that one specifically I got the impression you said that you could maybe handle the adu affordability review But not the single family dwelling parking modifications. Is that correct? Not quite We would bring them together the only issue would be if we would want to bring The adu item in the yellow is mandatory. So that will come and as much as possible We will bring the Affordability review and the single family dwelling unit modifications But I have them separate because they could end up being on a separate track than the mandates Understood. Yeah The proposal in the motion is to move forward with the mandated legislative updates at this time given the conversation around the corridors Replacing the adu Other policy right well retaining of adu affordability review if possible depending on how much time The other items take I would I just want to be clear that I don't want that to be eliminated if it if it turns out that this that the review of Opening up the conversation about the corridors is simply a matter of the planning commission hearing it and Some community groups that want to have a meeting that have been unable to get a meeting for example Can do that then it may not take that much time. So I'm just trying to you know Maybe if you want to do the vote on the corridors first and that one. I think they do that. Yeah, okay So maybe you can okay specify what you want to the board. So to add Planning commission review of the general plan's policy is related to the corridors to resolve existing conflicts And so I'd like that to be included in a Return at our next meeting without included in the plan Okay, so I think I've expressed my opinions about that I don't think that's a productive way for us at this time to move forward with bringing our community together as well as making a difference in affordable housing as I think clarified by a planning director I think that could be incorporated into the longer term conversation So I will not be supporting that given we're about to embark on a three-year plan Which will engage the community and that's a great opportunity to do that on a big issue like that. So for me, I won't be supporting him Okay, so all those in favor, please say I I opposed no Okay, so then I think that was at the cost of the adu component So I guess adus will take a back burner to the corridor plan at this point You specify that boat. Well, I didn't actually so all those in favor were brown vice mayor Cummings Glover and crown to reopen the corridors Sort of bumping adus and the work on adu policy for this person Below that as a consequence. So that was not in my motion to Do that as a trade-off the response was to Sarah's comment that That may have to drop off, but I'm not asking that it be dropped off in favor of the corridors I want to be very clear about that It would be the second adu item the mandates will come they have to Um Then what would happen is the second adu item would if possible continue on the same track as the adus But if they split on tracks and we have to choose between The affordability review of adus and the corridors then based on the Motion just accepted by council. It would be the corridors items that would Supercede sorry and that was supported by council member brown vice mayor Cummings Glover and crown with mayors Matthews and myself owning again Okay, again, just want to be clear for the minutes. So we don't have to correct the minutes later that this is not Requesting that be dropped Okay, okay, is that the conclusion of your Well, I mean the rest of it was This was a way for me to try to Suggest or some reprioritization um, but We can proceed with I guess the child care developer fees. I the rest of the motion was to Delay the remaining recommended projects until 2020 except where projects can be included to the extent they don't impede The added projects the cash was also in there. So the cat rec any recommend so To my other page, um So that no that wasn't it the the cat the recommendation the other edition was any recommendations from the catch To the extent that they involve advanced planning Okay, I think okay All those in favor, please say I I any opposed. Okay that passes unanimously And Excuse me, and that goes where in the six month ap That goes in that person's and that would be in and in lieu of the cannabis being prioritized. Okay I think we have consensus on that that's unanimous They're finding question. We did we lose the housing study session. We haven't voted on that one yet. Okay Okay, was that I had a note was that part of the I didn't include it in my motion. I think that that can wait until next year If that if there's a trade-off that that one to me seems If I may mayor, um, there is one item that was missing unless I didn't hear it is and the original motion was to retain the PC subcommittee conversation that we were going to bring on uh, april 20th or august 27th as well. Correct. Great Vice mayor coming in. I mean sorry To retain the review of the planning commission subcommittee In the community outreach policy in the community outreach policy Okay, all those in favor, please say I Think sorry councilmember clever vice mayor Cummings and then councilmember matthews and then I think we just need to kind of wrap Up what we can at this point. Yeah, and so that was the end of your motion right councilmember brown Okay, wonderful No, because I accept it. Um, okay. I'm going to wait till you're all done with that and then the developer fees Okay, thank you after so let's go ahead and take that vote and then we'll go ahead and know Okay, so um, so the child care developer fee was something that was worked on by A person in our city manager's office. I think was really quite close given that the county already passed one Had kind of lost. I mean, I'll let our team burn all speak to that sort of lost where we are with that But was a priority that was specified in the housing blueprint subcommittee that I'd like to make sure we're able to move forward on And I don't know if you have anything to add at this point. It was something that casey came out So it's not an advanced planning So I would include that sorry to interrupt but that it like the inclusion area I would not include that in the Request for the revised and that wouldn't be in something that I've okay. We'll go ahead and post it All the plan is involved planning it's involved in as it relates to Develop these that's what it is. So would that not fall into your staff's workload? That I believe and uh, eric marlitzer. I think would that be more your team or would that be my team? I think it'd be like a both. Yeah, and that's something I could work on. Um, so it's I could fit that into my Workload, okay, so let's go ahead and vote for it now or vote for it wherever you feel it fits Does there any further clarifying questions on that one? In the citywide work plan But if it passes into ap then so be it if we're if we're on to citywide then I want to make sure that inclusion area is also Because we can take that one next we can take that next. Okay. So all those in favor. Please say I I any opposed Okay, that passes unanimously. Do we want to move on to the City webbing one more on here because I added in the standalone consumption site when the cannabis ordinance is coming back Right, and I think that was acknowledged as that will be incorporated when that I did not we need to roll on that or not So, okay, we can all those in favor. Please say I'm I any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously Was that a motion and that was um, let's make an emotion by by vice mayor Cummings I'll go ahead and second it for the purposes of moving it forward and then we had a unanimous support for that Okay, uh councilor Brown. Do you want to speak to the inclusionary? I I would like to ensure that Inclusionary ordinance updates for ownership and rental projects be included as a priority for this six-month work plan for the general City work plan all those in favor. I have a question. Okay, councilor Matthews So I want to ask is that in ap or is that an economic that would sit in economic development So I do want to ask where that fits in in your workload And we would partner with them and assist again that would probably come from me But yes, it's it's housed in their team. Yeah, I'm I understand it. I'm just you got some other big projects Yeah, um, you know as you just met this afternoon our new, you know housing and community development manager She's definitely getting up to speed on a lot of of our various programs With that said we have been working closely with this also with the city attorney's office on this issue So from a timing perspective, we were just trying to be sensitive to that process, but we're tracking it very closely So um, and then we're also been working with with planning on this as well So we need to just figure out the timing Um, and then I think we'll have our team all on deck. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you Okay. All right all those in favor. I have a question also on this. Um, is uh Is the in lieu fee Going to be considered in this also. Is that is that part of your this is well, this is a general Just general direction, but certainly that's a conversation for We'll hear to be continued Okay, all those in favor. Please say I am I any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously Were there any other pending elements of the motion that need to be addressed? I had one question for bonnie if that's Maybe before if is there anything else that's it. Okay Final question for bonnie. I said a question in terms of economic development's work plan around the warf master plan When there's what's the timeline for when that's supposed to come back as well So right now we're working on updating with the additional studies that we need Um, for there's some nesting into some different environmental studies that needed to be updated in the in the draft EIR and so that's the next element and so at the time we bring that forward I think that's when you can provide some direction to us about the overall warf master plan because as I understand There are some elements and some general support to be modified the warf master plan Which is um is something that we'd be supportive of if that gets us moving forward So um, the next step is the EIR and we'll bring that forward And then we were anticipating that you could give us direction about the master plan at that point Is there any timeline around when we're supposed to see the EIR? Yeah, we're working with we already have our Environmental consultant who prepared the original Stephanie strela with dooduck engaged in it And we're hoping it's roughly a two month process to be able to bring that back to you Okay, so I think that concludes oh council member liver. Thank you so There were two suggested actions in this presentation and also on the agenda report one was to Get a report back from the the event and then kind of have future direction. The other one was to confirm the plan Something I think I think it was mentioned in this slide deck was the recommendations from The consultant with regards to engaging in conflict reconciliation resolution amongst the members of the city council to make a more cohesive body um, I'm Disappointed that I haven't heard any of that so far with regards to Potential action we could move on but I do think that it's something that's relevant, especially because of the HR Report which has not been released to the public yet But is ideally going to be really soon We're one of the recommendations from a second professional that's been engaged with the city council Is that city council and staff should review and revise or no, excuse me should Participate in professional mediation and conflict resolution so Is now a time to instruct staff to come back with a suggestion or plan for conflict reconciliation Just because it seems now that two professionals including the I guess four three professionals that have come in as consultants that have looked at the way that this body operates And have all concluded that there needs to be some kind of conflict resolution I've waited as long as I can and so now here is a fantastic opportunity To put it into action. Is this an appropriate time in your opinion? Any of y'all staff members to move it forward since it was a specific recommendation and we're talking about future action plans I'll just um clarified what I heard I think in the presentation was that the city manager's office is moving forward with that and actually probably has a consultant already identified Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Great. So it looks like that's already in in motion And what's the uh, what's the timeline what's associated with that is I mean you have to give excuse me We've been here for six months. I started asking for this back in february And we still haven't done it yet. So if you just have a timeline associated with maybe or just so we know Sure. So it may come as early as the next council meeting. Um That's our intent. So actually I have a meeting scheduled tomorrow. Great Wonderful. Thank you. That's that's the goal. Okay, great. Okay So we'll go ahead and um conclude the this agenda. Um the afternoon session We're going to kind of move our uh evening item. We'll start a little bit after maybe 705 ish for oral communications At this time, we're going to conclude our afternoon session. Quick question I think we did did we vote did we take it all? Did you get the clarification of where we're at with all of the supportive areas moving forward with this? We'll have to list another video for that But what about the consent? Yeah, that's a question The consent agenda item, I think if we're going to try to stick to what the council directed which is to have 7 p.m As the time for oral communications as well as to get in a break for dinner I will revisit that as soon as we conclude oral communications around 7 30 Or 7 35 7 0 5 ish. Yeah, so we'll adjourn until then Oh Okay, so welcome and good evening to our um evening portion of our city council meeting Um, we're going to go ahead and call the meeting back to order at 7 10 p.m And I'd like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you mayor councilmembers crone. Here lover here Myers here brown here Matthews here vice mayor coming here and mayor Watkins here So we'll go ahead and now open up the meeting to oral communications And oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on items that are not listed on today's agenda How many folks are here for oral communications? Okay, so um, we'll go ahead and have those who want to I will go ahead and allow for 30 minutes of oral communications If fully needed that will have us finishing around 7 40 p.m With oral communications in the interest of allowing hopefully everybody who wants to address the council I'll go ahead and offer any individual who wants to briefly address the council in one minute to step forward to go first Are there any individuals who want to address the council in the one minute time frame? Okay, please you're welcome to come forward My name is Freya sands I live on wilk circle And I'm speaking with regard to the property at 111 errat circle The circle neighborhood has had an open spiritual and community space for around 130 years If 111 errat circle is developed as housing The heart of our neighborhood a heart of our neighborhood And all its potential for future beautiful service will be gone forever Thank you. Thank you Any other members of the community want to address us briefly in one minute? During oral communications. I invite you to come forward. Okay Is there any additional individuals who'd like to address us in the one minute time frame? Because seeing them we'll go ahead and open it up to the left with the two minute time frames He'll have what to want. Hi, my name is lane peonta. I live at 71 front street And I've been a resident of santa cruz for a year now I'm rising to speak against the recall effort against council members crone and glover I'm very glad that my citizens and my fellow citizens have the right. Thank you to To to bring recall efforts forth. I think it's an important part of our democracy But the measure of a community is how it treats its most vulnerable citizens And I believe that council members crone and glover have shown compassion humanity and wisdom In the stand that they've taken in terms of defending the homeless people at the ross camp And I call upon my fellow citizens to drop their misguided effort to recall our city council members. Thank you very much So we'll attempt to get through all folks who want to address us at this time We'll go have you come forward. You have up to two minutes and we'll make our way down the line Okay, I'm garret philip. I wish I could get through all this But I do want to say beforehand that it this is in regards to really what is written on Say staff presentations and kind of what is spoken But I have no idea what you all do behind closed doors and and when you interview people and stuff So I could just be talking nonsense here, but this is what it seems like to me on just based on what I see, right? So I apologize in advance if I'm totally wrong But anyway, as we call last time I spoke previously about the defective leftist group identity value system of diversity inclusiveness That elevates race or gender above confidence or merit And then produces mediocrity as a better qualified individuals may be discriminated against Since this group identity membership inclusion into larger groups with however limited membership or rewards Uses an exclusion based on a too many of this kind of formula of some race or gender To accommodate inclusion of other races It is likely just as racist sexist etc as the very civil rights segregation banned by laws of the past As a possible recent example of this I cite the selection process of the community advisory committee on homelessness The staff presentation made at least two mentions of either gender balance Or balance of gender and also age different distributions as part of the selection process goals These to me are the smoking gun signs that the staff has adopted leftist mantras of gender and age coded diversity as selection templates As to the staff assertion the selection was diverse cross-section of community members I would say not but was a selection of a focus class of homeless advocates homeless service providers and community activists The laughter of the evening provided by by the group identity possessed of the council was The attempted mandated addition of two currently homeless people to the advisory committee While all candidates deserve due consideration it seems unlikely homeless individuals are experts in how not to be homeless I personally only believe in the real value of the diversity of ideas not group identity membership As the only diversity value system component that makes any sense if you care about excellence Okay, thank you, and you're always welcome to leave your comments with us. All right next next speaker and i'm just going to remind the community that everybody has a opportunity to address the council without threat or intimidation Or feeling that they aren't able to come forward. We're open to hearing all perspectives whether or not we agree with them and so please refrain from Making somebody feel uncomfortable for whatever they share And if I do notice that I will give you a warning a verbal warning and if it continues, I will ask you to leave Okay, you're welcome to thank you. Bob Lamonica santa cruz as a culture We don't know how to deal with abuse of power We have a judge as a pure court judge here in santa cruz That was censured by the california Commission on judicial performance in may for fixing her own red light ticket She's caught fixing her own red light ticket. There's no other way to parse that What is even more astounding Than judge ariadne simons being caught fixing her own red light ticket and being centered for it Is this statement of support that comes out later supporting Simons and claiming and i'm going to quote this it says she's a person with impeccable ethics And always places service above self. Now, I guess it depends on how what the word impeccable means And maybe I'll ask fred kealy one day what he he meant He meant and the others that signed this thing mean when they say she has impeccable ethics a judge We're talking about a judge that was caught fixing her own red light ticket right here in santa cruz This is a question of local application of values. This is abuse of power We need to learn as a culture how to deal with abuse of power This is what the catholic church would do which they shuffled her off to watsonville or the boy scouts now As a culture, we do not know how to deal with abuse of power And I asked synthia mathews and martin wattkins to have their names retracted from this idiotic Statement of support for a judge that was caught fixing her own red light ticket. Thank you very much Okay next speaker My name is lee brokaw. I'm a member of santa cruz chapter of aclu northern california and still able to speak for the aclu California has immense economic inequality Approximately 20 percent of californians are classified as living in poverty The highest in the country other than washington dc The poverty rate is even higher for youth 25 percent of children are state under five are impoverished Households living in poverty are disproportionately black latinx or indigenous California's high poverty and homeless rates cannot be explained by lack of jobs The state has the fifth largest economy in the world But also has the highest rate of homelessness in the nation Half the households living at or below the federal poverty line spend more than half of their income on housing Leaving little left for other necessities result of Unaffordable housing threatens millions of families with housing instability and the risk of homelessness Recent studies show that santa cruz is the least affordable housing market in the entire country And the fourth least affordable housing market in the world Therefore it should not come as a surprise that santa cruz has a growing homeless population When we do not provide adequate protections for housing stability The city can and must do better We need to put in place fair and affordable housing protections so that people can keep their homes Good evening. My name is bruce thomas. I'm an 18-year resident of dew forestry and I'm here to alert the council to ongoing problems on dew forestry um, this These problems continue about ii was september 25th of uh 2018 we presented the neighbors at dew forestry presented a petition asking for help and we've had great trouble getting all these get effective solutions to the Problems brought on by the new blaze pizza and the starbucks there. In fact, uh, justin and sandy I told you about these at the at the san francisco mine troop thing last year So i'm asking for help from the city council to monitor and See maybe get some status on really finding an effective solution Attempts have been made to try to solve problems with noise and the delivery trucks waking people up and parking double parking on the street I've supplied photos. I did send an email to all of you yesterday with documentation showing some of the ongoing problems So i'm asking for help Actually a staff member of the city manager's office has called me ralph And so but i'm asking for maybe status updates to the city council So we can really get this solved for a safe and health health and welfare of our neighborhood. Thank you If I could come in on that we did get communications I was under the impression that things had improved. So if we could just get some kind of a report back Yeah, I've asked ross and I addressed this report in my email And to keep the count and there's photos to say that things are not hunky dory. There's double parking still going on We'll get some updates. Okay sounds. Okay, please Good evening mayor and members of the council. My name is matt wedstein. I'm the president of cabrillo college and I wanted to thank you for your consideration back in june of ab 302 the bill that addresses homeless Parking solutions for community college students Particularly wanted to thank the mayor for reaching out to our staff to identify if we had any position that we had taken And the council for engaging in an open debate and allowing cabrillo staff christin febos our marketing and community communications director and our board chair christine acuevas to address you on that day um Housing and homelessness is a major issue for our students and from a survey that we had done last year in connection with the hope center for Studying these issues in a temple university We learned that we have 20 of our students who reported being homeless in the last 12 months That 50 roughly we're dealing with food insecurity issues during the same period And as was indicated in a letter. I recently said I was part of a ceo task force involved with this issue for community colleges last year We had a number of recommendations the most significant one of which Is something that the legislature did not address in a meaningful way this spring and we hope that it will come back next year The single most important thing that can be done for our students Is to ensure that they have access to cal grants that allow them to pay for living and Transportation and food expenses If we can get that change a lot of the homelessness and food insecurity issues will Evaporate for many of our students in our system But in a city like this where the cost of living is so high and housing is so high That is critical for our students I want to thank you again for your advocacy on behalf of our students I want you to know that it is a critical issue for us We are engaged as a college and we are serving our students as much as we can. Thank you. Thank you Meetings mayor Watkins and council members. My name is mark. I'm cd. Miller I've lived in Santa Cruz for about 36 years and had a little business downtown for many many those years I'm here tonight to talk about the proposed mixed-use library downtown And this has been a some of the conversation in the community lately And I just wanted to share my thoughts the proposed plan Or a mixed-use downtown library facility is nothing short of brilliant The plan grew out of the creative thinking that values leveraging every tax dollar to provide citizens with the things they want We want a larger newer library with almost double the space for children and teens as well as space To retain prized current programs like genealogy and immigration services We want modern fully accessible restrooms and we want space for books and more computers and other technology We say we want a modern full service library that is located near transit and other community services We want all this and we can have it too Additionally our downtown businesses and those who frequent or work at these businesses want more parking It wouldn't it be great if it was centrally located? We are also painfully aware of how much we need affordable housing And wouldn't it be great if that housing was located in our downtown where people could walk around instead of drive around our community Unless we partner with these other uses the other option limits us to a partial renovation of an existing building A building 8,000 square feet short will have to reduce the number of books and services The renovated library will not meet current user Lee needs let alone future growth We'll spend all we have and have less to show for it The proposed mixed-use library however provides all that and more I urge you to use our tax dollars wisely And build the best most modern library possible Get the parking our local businesses need and provide affordable housing in the heart of our city Thank you I'm natalex dot kennedy at gmail.com 3 4 6 9 8 8 Uh, the first thing I want to bring up here is the new 5g technology for cellular use And it is way I'm going to go ahead and pause you we had that as our uh on our agenda today So this is for items that are not on today's agenda. I wasn't here at that time Okay, so that this would be appropriate to talk to us about any other item that's not on today's agenda So 5g wasn't discussed. Okay. Well, then then there was enough said there. Um The next subject We have fortunately legalized cannabis in this state One of the only states that's done it so far and if we go back in history 10,000 years back People have been using it for anything and everything you can possibly imagine Clothes paper building materials you name it But uh, what we don't have now is a legal legitimate place for people to consume it When they're When they're out in public because you go anywhere in public anywhere and Smoking the green stuff is still illegal But uh, what I think we really need to do is we need to have several permits granted for what would essentially be a Pop bars or pubs or tavern or whatever you want to call it. I would happily start one myself But I need resources from other people investors people willing to work at it and all that And uh, it's just it's something we really need we call this a free country, but It's not really that free um That and uh Another thing about this we need to focus more on industrial hemp that used for everything other than smoking it and we I think the city Should take the forefront on this and grow thousands like hundreds of thousands of hemp plants Not kit not marijuana, but industrial hemp that we could use to make Anything and everything you can pretty much imagine Even henry fort himself made a car out of hemp in the 30s All out of All that he grew himself. Thank you Okay, we'll have our next speaker and then just for clarification for those we'll go ahead and close oral communications after the last gentleman in line Then we'll open it up to our evening items. So The gentleman in the blue shirt with the beard you'll be our last speaker for oral communications And we'll go ahead and start with you Good evening mayor council members. I'm here To speak to the Contract that's been offered to supervisors bargaining unit. We three I would ask the council. Please consider their last best offer Based on The following i've been here for 37 years. This is the first contract i've ever seen rejected Not only rejected by but rejected by 86 of the supervisors Supervisors are your core of institutional knowledge in this city They are the people that come up through the ranks That show the greatest responsibility in rising through the ranks They are the most responsible people that make the most decisions on any given day or night They know their people. They know their equipment. They know their area They make and keep budgets Supervisors are that sphere where policy life and the work of the city that must be done all intersect And they handle that every day If you show a lack of concern for your supervisors, what does it say to the people we must supervise? And what does it say to those that may have an interest in taking these critical positions in the future? Please reconsider your offer Mayor and council members. My name is iseth. I am also here with the oe three supervisors bargaining unit And I am a supervisor myself for the parks and recreation department Seven years ago. I was extremely Fortunate to be hired by the city of santa cruz. I entered the city as a temporary part time a a one Bottom of the bottom rung I have achieved my current position The same as my fellow supervisors through hard work dedication integrity commitment sacrifice All the things that you want all the things that make myself And the other supervisors secure employees Last year in the spring of 2018 myself and two boys were caught completely off guard We were subject to landlord that is doing but so many landlords in the area are doing they increased our rent By almost double we'd been in that house for nine years since my boys were two and four I was suddenly In a very insecure situation. I have good credit great job great employment history great references great Everything it took me six months to find a place Because most of the landlords here want three times what your rent is we now found a wonderful place in felton It's a drive, but it's worth it What i'm asking what my fellow supervisors are asking is to have that sense of security that we provide to you Knowing that you guys are going to get your your work done your programs filled your your drains cleaned, etc Please we deserve a fair and equitable contract Thank you Santa Cruz Recently of the Santa Cruz Sentinel banned me from making comments And they erased all my comments with no explanation Simply because another commenter said i'm reporting you for anti-semitism Well, what is anti-semitism? I'll tell you what it is. It's any criticism whatsoever of jews israel or zionism Any criticism whatsoever? I'll give you an example. I've had uh exchanges with Uh people of that ban online. I simply ask them What is the harshest criticism of israel jews or zionism? That you would accept without calling it Anti-semitic Did you get what I said? I'll repeat it if you didn't I ask and I ask everybody What is the harshest criticism of israel jews or zionism that you would accept? Without calling it anti-semitic Crickets crickets crickets nobody wants to go there. They just automatically want to slam you down if you say anything about these subjects and We need to speak up And this doesn't mean that there's hate involved. It just means that we need to have a fair exchange of ideas about these subjects Because the israel lobby is the most powerful lobby in this country And if we don't stand up to it if we allow them to intimidate us into silence will continue to be sucked into wars in the mid east that Basically benefit israel only and I think that uh anybody that Wants to speak up about the israel lobby You should feel free to do it and don't let anybody tell you you can't I was visiting a friend on um cedar street and very late at night I noticed that she had a guest that lived in her the doorway of her apartment of her house And she said yeah the day after ross camp was shut down And most of that week you could hear people screaming and yelling over who? Doorway was their doorway And she was um pretty disturbed that there were actually struggles and fights to over The uh finding a place to sleep in someone's doorway And so we had the opportunity particularly justin you had the opportunity to do something right where we would have had a Progressive majority that was interested in humanitarian Issues and in the poor of our community and the tenants of our community If you had voted for the proposal to clean ross camp Remove the enough people so it would be safe and make it a safe place so that those 300 people didn't have to find Doorways on our streets So I encourage you to go out there tonight at 11 and walk All the way from the post office on cedar street Go back across over to front street and walk back to the post office and see how many Dozens and dozens of people are living in those doorways So we're facing probably a pretty Intense economic downturn. I don't know how many of you believe that there will not be Downturn in the next two years anybody here think that there's not going to be a depression The likelihood is very high So if we can't even handle the number of people living on our streets today How are we going to handle the thousands more who are forced onto the streets? Because of the collapsing economy and that includes many of the people that currently right now have houses Who are likely to have uh face foreclosure? And end up living in the doorways of santa cruz. Thank you very much All right, and you'll be our last speaker for oral communications. I'm lion. I agree that we gotta Do what he's saying. We've got to keep finding more alternative campsites more alternative living sites Make them fresh clean Little houses whatever alternatives we can Got to keep moving forward on this just like with the environment now. What do we have? It's a big another crisis with the recycling No recycling santa cruz anymore. I have to go to watch some bill And that may end So what are we are we producing these products and not recycle them and then before We were relying on third world countries Well, that was kind of bogus too because you know that wasn't going to work We need to have a sustainable system our own We just started the city and a county and asked the state to get money So we can redo the recycle system. We can't have replant it back Then we got to do it with a ns metals have a satellite site for them because they have lots of equipment to transport it We got to move forward on this. We can't just stop it And there's a lot of people that are low income not just houses people that depend on like when I was walking here There was a pregnant woman. I met before Roy really nice lady And she picked up a can I said there's a couple more over there And I told her about that she couldn't turn him in town anymore. She didn't know about it yet And she's saving those cans for her kids to go to school because she's low income It's one of the only ways she can do it. She just got accepted up at the university to go to school So that was really beautiful. Another issue we have of course is the bathrooms problem Loud Nelson we got to open those back up. I even asked okay if I come here and play basketball I can't use the bathroom. Can I know You got to be in the program you want to use the bathroom loud Nelson would be turning over his grave This guy's a freed slave who started this the community center. We can't cut out anybody Everybody's part of the community. It's just not fair Go ahead and close oral communications at this time I originally said that we were going to revisit some of our consent agenda items that after Oral communications, I'm going to go ahead and move those to the end of the meeting Knowing that we have a number of members of the community here who want to address us on our evening item So we'll go ahead and jump right into the evening item, which is our data collection related to rental housing and Just for the flow, I'll go ahead and remind our council as well as our Community members that those who What we'll have is a presentation from staff and then we'll have a opportunity for Council to ask questions of staff and then we'll go ahead and open it up to community members who want to address the council on the topic I'll go ahead and allow for anybody who wants to speak for one minute to come forward and then group presentations And then the two-minute time frame and then we'll return back to the council for action and deliberation I just want to remind those in the audience here that it's our opportunity to hear Our Professionals as well as our council members as well as each other To hear their opinions and to allow them to voice those opinions without disruption or intimidation As I mentioned during oral communications When others are speaking to please refrain from speaking and and refrain from any intimidation or Making this so that this is not a democratic process that all can participate in if I do see disruption I'll ask that you I will give you a verbal warning if I see it continued I will ask that you leave and I want to thank you in advance for showing your fellow citizens that respect as well as our council and professional staff here Who are here to present us on this item So that said we'll go ahead and turn it over to our staff presentation and we have the saras Here to present the item Good evening. I'm sarah noisy with the advanced planning section in the planning department and with me is my supervisor sarah phleming and We're going to talk about a rental housing data collection effort to be initiated by the city So a little bit of background June 11th your city council received a report from a consultant about the feasibility to convene A citizen's task force related to rental housing issues at that point in time Motion carried to bring back some recommendations at the june 25th council meeting about Creating an online rental lease rental increase notice to quit new eviction submission and tracking program So we came did come back on june 25th To discuss sort of a preliminary Set of questions with your council talking about what's the goal? What's the intended outcome of this program? At that point we got some direction from the council motion carried to bring back staff recommendations at this meeting To develop a rental housing data collection effort informed by a proposal that was provided by vice mayor comings at that meeting That proposal was an attachment to this report. So it's available On the website through the agenda if any members of the public didn't get a chance to review that And focused on the number and frequency Of rent increases terminations of tenancy and evictions Happening within the city limits So just a little bit of further background As was discussed in the Feasibility to convene a rental housing task force report brought by dave seppos There was identified one of the primary problems facing landlords and tenants right now in santa cruz Is that there is a lack of mutually trusted data? That both Sides for lack of a better terminology agree accurately portrays the state of rental housing in santa cruz The measure m campaign both foreign against was largely based on anecdotes and conjecture. It was highly emotional and contentious and I believe that the city council's intention and our hope as staff is that impartial data could really answer the Questions and tell the stories of landlords and tenants so that all parties feel accurately represented and heard and seen in the data that we collect So um our one of our primary goals as staff is to really act as neutral collectors of verifiable facts That's really what we want to have at the end of this effort And we are hopeful that good data can lead to some good policy choices by your council So i'm going to launch right into the staff recommendation Given where the community is around this topic We are recommending for now a limited term pilot program that would connect collect some initial data And allow us to sort of get our arms around what this process Needs to entail what it looks like and how it works and how effective it is in meeting the goals that we have for it We want to take an approach that's collaborative and unity focused and focused on really hearing All of our community members those that are involved directly with rental housing and those that aren't um As currently recommended in the staff report The pilot would include all rental housing so that includes units that currently are not subject to the rental inspection program Units that are owner occupied where they rent a room Properties with ad use sros and so use mobile homes. We think through these are some of our more affordable Housing types and we want to capture that information. We don't think there's any good reason to exclude them from this effort We're also at this point recommending that for the pilot program It'd be a non compulsory effort and that there'd be No enforcement mechanism it built into the program. We really want this to be an opportunity for community building and And an opportunity to really see how effective it is So one of the other things that we want to Be sure that we have as a component here is that we allow data to be input by both tenants and landlords And that will allow us to get sort of a picture of how accurate is the data that we're getting Are we you know, does the data match? Is it you know, sort of time stamped within like Two weeks of each other that there's been an event that occurred at a rental housing project And we think that that will be a better way to sort of gauge Compliance rather than building in some kind of an enforcement mechanism into this pilot program um, we are also recommending for um Ease of execution and in terms of staff resources and opportunity costs that this initial pilot program Operate exclusively online and not include a fee. There are some technical challenges with engaging in those efforts that are Not insignificant. Um, certainly if your council really wants to go in that direction, there are things we could figure out. Um, and This is our recommendation that we not do those things at those at this time This would also allow us to create a program that could be initiated by a resolution rather than by an ordinance which would allow the Program itself to be a little bit flexible during its course of operation so that we as staff could like Learn as we go and make some minor adjustments and changes as it happened We wouldn't be bound specifically by a set of proposed that was written before we really knew what was going to happen. So What i'm going to go into now is our preliminary staff proposal I want to be really clear with everyone in the room that this is a preliminary proposal It is going to be subject to um A lot of community outreach that's certainly our intention is to launch this program with a big community outreach effort Um, and also I think it's important to really go through this in in a bit of detail So that we're all on the same page when we have this conversation. So my next several slides don't have any pictures A lot of text so And this is all uh attachment to to the agenda report Um, and I I did take out you won't believe this, but I did actually take out a little bit of detail Um here because you know kind of the typeface really just did get too small So i'm just going to we're going to go through this um sort of point by point in an expeditious manner here so Based on the direction that we heard from your city your council um the last time we were here and the um The proposed the purpose that was as was stated in the um proposal that we received from vice mayor comings These are sort of how we are interpreting the goals and the anticipated outcomes of this program that we will gain sufficient information to Quantify and estimate The following items the total number of all rental units in santa cruz the mean and median rent amounts potentially based on unit by unit type um Changes in rent so the total number per any period of time as well as the frequency that one unit may experience a change in rental amount And then the percentage and direction of that change Non-renewals of lease the same the total number per a time period the frequency that happens and then the timing Is that a 30-day notice? Is it something else? Is it simply a non renewal of a lease at the end of at the end of the lease and then also unlawful detainer which is As I have learned the technical term for an eviction it begins with an unlawful detainer and notice to quit Ends with an eviction when the sheriff shows up at the door. So there are there are many steps. So um That's what the extent of process Means in that so what point in the process of an eviction was reached before the situation was was resolved. So These are sort of the goals as we understand them of this data collection effort. So in order to achieve those goals The data that would be required is as follows the address of a unit so we can detect we can determine What's a you know a unique address a unique unit the date the event occurred the type of event Is this an initial registration? Is it a new tenant? You know or an initial rental of a unit. Is it a change in the rent amount? And then underneath each of these, you know, we would ask What's the current rent? What's the proposed rent? How much notice was given? What is there a reason for the change? So I put a question mark after that and this was one thing that in the staff report we actually discussed it two different ways the this was very much a team effort and um Um Re-reading the staff report yesterday. I was like, oh, I see some things got a little changed around so This question of should we collect a reason that a change that an event is happening at a At a rental unit a reason that the rent is going up a reason that someone is not renewing their lease I think that's a question we should discuss with the community. We had feedback from our stakeholder groups that was kind of on both sides and we were leaning in one direction and then we were Leaning the other direction and um, I think that this is it would be interesting to collect that data I want to hear more from the community about The utility of that and what those reasons might be Our intention is for this to be a drop-down menu so that this is data We can really analyze if it's a fill-in field That's much harder to sort of code and analyze if we're anticipating like 15 000 entries or something of that scale So, um, you'll see a question mark after the word, you know reason in a couple of different places here So further data. So this is now Sorry, so type of event initial registration initial rental change in rent amount change in the level of service. So like Is your landlord no No longer paying utilities. They used to pay utilities. No, they don't pay utilities They haven't raised the rent but your costs have gone up. So that that's what we mean by a change in level of service Is there a tenant initiated move out if so how much notice was provided? Was there a reason a non-renewal of lease again timing and it was their reason and then a non-renewal of a month to month Tennessee or a termination of a month to month tenancy and then the notice that was provided and any reason that may have been Given for that and then lastly last the last two events was an unlawful detainer initiated via a notice to quit Or was there a change in property ownership? So was the unit sold if it was sold If the person entering the information is of it knows, you know, will the unit continue as a rental will it become owner occupied? held vacant or we may not we may not always know when these units change hands how they're going to proceed So then lastly in order to give context to all of those events and you know the rent amount and You know the season that these things happen and we need to know the type of housing unit that is being Entered the size of that housing unit and then the level of service. So what's included in the rent? Is it a furnished apartment? Is it, you know, does it have a parking space? Is there laundry on site all of those things contribute to the rent that might be charged? So with all that information so really so let's just be clear This is six fields of information that we would be requesting that people enter Whenever one of these events takes place in rental unit Either landlords or by both landlords and tenants So with that information We could generate at least these statistics. This is just what I was able to think of. I'm sure as with any data set Other people could think of other ways to you know slice and dice it so that you could get other sort of information But this would allow us to identify trends and make comparisons in rent amounts terminations of tenancy by either party The total number of rental units vacancy rates sales of rental units conversions of rental units to owner occupied units and make those comparisons Annually or watch for trends over time. We could make we could look for seasonal differences We could see if there's differences between neighborhoods if there are different pressures on different neighborhoods And if there's difference In the size or type of unit and how it behaves over time We could then potentially with the raw data set you could identify trends for individual units or buildings And same with reasons you could look for you know changes in the reasons that people are giving for various events You could determine the value of individual units potentially if you can use the size and the neighborhood and the Level of service to sort of determine how much value a tenant might get from that And then also, you know, sort of the tenant turnover turnover rates for individual addresses potentially could be identified So this is really just for discussion purposes Just so we're aware what how this data could be used as we think about How we want to use it and how we want to make it available to the public Because I will next i'm going to talk about our stakeholder meetings and one of the key pieces Where there was not a lot of agreement was in How the data is made available to the public We met with both tenants and landlords We worked with santa cruise tenants association together a group of tenants and we worked with santa cruise together together a group of landlords And sort of vetted this outline that we have with them and sort of talked through our idea for the pilot and got some really Useful feedback from them in general, which is summarized in attachment to as well there towards the end In general tenants We're interested in several additional data points Which again, I'd like to you know, take those to as part of the community outreach process We're not recommending them at this point because we really are trying to keep this Streamlined and focused and very simple And if there's something there that's really crucial to understanding The situation we want to find that out and add it, right? So Tenants were interested in adding several data points and and in having like access to the database itself So they could run their own analysis and so the members of the public could really Look at the draw information and draw their own conclusions Landlords Were more we're very concerned about making sure that this process was something they could comply with And not that compliance is like compulsory, but that it was something that would be easy for them to do So that's you know, we really want to keep it streamlined make it easy online make it, you know Help them feel confident that they're You know going to be able to work this into their operation And then they were also really clear that they wanted the data to be provided as aggregate statistics Created by the city And so there's a question here of Is there a middle ground there, you know, is there some way where we could provide sort of partially disaggregated data where we, you know Map it and we use our GIS to provide it based on like census block groups So we're not providing individual addresses, but we are allowing people to like zero in on a neighborhood and look at certain trends in different neighborhoods I don't know again I mean that's that's one of the pieces that we're going to have to discuss with your council and with the public about What's the right way to make this information available to the public? um and to and you know Took what end and all of all of those things there are some You know as you would imagine privacy concerns That's one of the reasons we're not recommending collecting names of tenants. That's not It's not on the list of of things nor names of landlords I mean the names of landlords are available if you know the address There's a little bit of work involved in that But that is definitely something we're keeping an eye on as we Consider this process and move forward into The next stage which is community outreach so as Your council is freshly aware having just done your Goal setting work plan item There are some opportunity costs involved with initiating any kind of new program as we discussed in the letter this We have there are several programs in the city that that touch rental housing in various different ways None of them are very well suited to generating statistics They don't collect data that could be used to do that but like the software literally doesn't work that way so In talking with our it staff and thinking about how those programs work and what they're they were initially created to do We didn't find that there was any Any time savings or Any anything was made easier by trying to feed into any of our existing programs that already kind of touch rental housing Which I understand is unfortunate for the consumer And so yet another reason why we want to make this at least the initial pilot Really streamlined really easy to get through and Hopefully have a really high rate of compliance So it and advanced planning would be sort of Initially involved in launching this pilot as we're currently envisioning it housing and community development would also be involved in terms of outreach to affordable housing providers And and then it also sort of consulting about how we handle Affordable housing units within this database and then within the data sets and the statistics that we generate. How do we Identify housing vouchers, you know, there are several little details And we'll so we'll be working with housing and community development on that definitely So our proposed timeline for this pilot as it's written in the staff report is that we would get direction from council today We would begin community outreach in september and have it run through early november and then be back with a resolution for your council to review and approve sort of November December of this year and then we would launch into creating the interface and the Backend database and begin our notice and outreach to landlords and tenants really which would need to be a really robust effort if we're going to capture As many rental housing units as possible So we would want to spend a fair amount of time doing that making sure that we really had wide reach So that would be sort of january to march and then our initial Registration period would begin in april And we would give sort of initial registration. We're envisioning would be sort of a 90 day window And then we'd want to collect about a year of data before we Determined how well it was working So that would put us back reporting to your Council in august of 2021 which i understand looks like a really long time and is Is a really long time it looks that way because it is that way um and each of these steps is really important we want to be focused on Bringing the whole community along with us and not shoving anything through too fast We want to make sure that we're doing all the right steps in the right order We want to make sure that everyone really has heard about it Before it's too late for them to have input for them to you know, we don't want anyone to be hearing about This whole effort in june of 2020. I mean, I think that would be a really Unfortunate outcome because you know, they would be coming in late. It would just so we really want to make sure that We have enough lead time to have a very carefully Crafted program with a lot of public input that we have done a lot of notice and outreach to all of our property owners and tenants so that they're all aware that they're all involved and invested in this program And I think that's really going to give us the best outcomes and the best data at the end of august 2021 so With all that our staff recommendation is that your council consider creation of a pilot program of data collection On rental housing units in the city and provide direction as appropriate including community outreach Via oh, yes via a motion Approved by the majority of council members So we're available for any questions Okay, are there any questions from the um the council for our staff at this time Customer Matthews, I remember reading, but I can't find it estimated cost. It was quite a range 30 to 125 Thousand I just read it. Can you explain a little bit about the high and low? Sure. Well, so um There are a couple of factors As we've currently designed this So Should your council just say, you know what staff you hit it nail on the head Just go do exactly what you drafted. It would probably be at the lower end of that spectrum We've been here before and we know that rarely happens. So You know that it's a range, right? And it's going to depend on, you know, do we hit any Technical snags with it, you know right now as we're currently envisioning it It could be a pretty simple web form And put out into kind of an excel database that we would then have access to to manipulate and create statistics And that's like One way we could do it that would be pretty simple if we get you know If we start adding program elements and changing things it could expand and grow You know the one other sort of model for this type of effort That we've been able to identify is the city of el cerrito. They don't have they just launched a program Um for a rental registry. There are several things that are different about it. I mean number one um It was approved sort of in line with a just cause for eviction ordinance and um That ordinance, you know has gone through some Litigation, you know, there was an effort to sort of do a referendum about it and the and their city council instead voted to just rescind the ordinance so They are still doing the registry They were also starting though from a place of all rentals in their city are already required to get a business license So they were already starting from there of everyone had to get a business license Even if you're renting a room in your house And um, so and their software allowed them to sort of add this or they did They do all their noticing on paper. So they were able to just send another notice. Anyway, they're um They're using about a half of a full-time staff member to just Run that program a lot of it's on paper though. So that's a massive data entry task So ours would be different than that Um, but we're also, you know, not starting with having everybody already know They need a business license and so already having sort of a relationship with the city in that way So there are Similarities and differences, right? And so that's hence the range. Thank you and council member Yeah There's a lot Going into thank you for all of the great work we're putting it together. Um, like there's a lot of moving parts to it It seems like um Yeah, so you said you look at el serrita. What are your thoughts on requiring uh landlords to all register with business permits so, um You know, I think there are a lot of A lot of things we could discuss Once we know how this part works I think there are you know that it might be that having a you know, a low cost or no cost business license Simply as a way to capture that registration would be a good way to go I think we won't know that until we really um get through this process First it's just because I know el serrita charges the 44 per unit Way to offset the cost associated with the program And then also do you think that a simple web form that's non compulsory that we won't get the data back until august of 2021 Will really be reliable data, uh with regards to not knowing if because if I was let's just say I was a Landlord that had the The pattern of consistently increasing my rent or kicking people out because I wanted to get new higher paying students in there I probably wouldn't turn in my Voluntary registration information because then I would be targeted or be able to or my actions would then be Identifiable by the city and those looking at rental data. So I'm concerned with the non compulsory aspect of it I'm also interested in what it looks like to have all landlords register as With as businesses with the city and then levy and a 44 fee on all of the units Since I think we know or some fee that we decide on with regards to one step or the other just with regards to What that would look like as far as revenue generation, especially with our estimation of Of rental units that are currently on the market in Santa Cruz and I mean those numbers would be incredibly interesting and I think would Kind of direct our decision most likely if we see that we could generate Enough for a half-time person to come on and coordinate the process and then All those kinds of conversations. So it seems like there's a lot of opportunity for Exploration the other thing I was just confused about Was um on the slide it said that the tenants wanted more data and transparency, but the landlords wanted an easy process But it seems like we're going with the easy process And I know that we're in the middle of talking and all kind of stuff But the way it's proposed right now is that it's just an easy process non compulsory So it definitely seems like it leaves the tenant voice out of out of the design process So I I hear that and um, I would say this is uh, Exponentially more data than we have ever had about housing units. So I think we're starting from a place of um I want to tell the story of tenants and landlords. I want to tell both stories. Absolutely. And I I am not an expert in this field. I have learned so much about rental housing in the last four weeks And I have a lot to learn still we as staff have a lot to learn. This isn't really Anyone's area of expertise here. So we are relying on tenants and landlords to tell us what's important to them and um There may be things that the tenants asked for that belong in this list I would love to hear from your council if you have thoughts on that I'd love to discuss it with the broader community And hear what they have to say about it. Um, you know, I I think that there there is a lot That's here already that is gonna We are we as staff are gonna learn a lot in like operating this program And when we come back whenever it maybe you only want six months of data and then you want to see how it's going You know, I'm I'm not here to tell you exactly what to do. I've made a recommendation and um I think that We will know so much more once we get through an initial phase of this Maybe it's not easy to run a web form and have it put out to excel right now It seems like that should be pretty straightforward, right? But kinks come up We want to track our time so that we can if should we set a fee It would be an accurate fee or at least the staff component of it would be like based on some real information And then if there's an increment that the council chooses to add, right? Obviously, that's your prerogative So, you know, we set these We want to have information to make these decisions with And so we are we have come forward with a program that we feel confident we can execute and If there are important things that are being left out, let's address that. Um, I do I do think that in terms of like Making a choice about having a business license or charging a fee I really think that's premature right now Um We there are some technical reasons that that's a little premature and then I also just think um, we want to walk this careful line of Including everyone in this conversation and not setting anyone back on their heels to think that Um Their voice is less important or their story is less important. Yeah, I appreciate it That's really That's where our recommendation is sort of stemming from and my main just concern And I totally appreciate that because it's important that we hear from all the different community members and their needs, especially The combination of tenants and landlords My concern though is with the proposed timeline and the thought that we would be crafting ideas for policy After that timeline puts us, you know, two years out And in the meantime, there will be people being actively displaced unless the council takes emergency action So if we go with this timeline, uh, then that's great But only if we have 10 temporary tenant protections in place in the meantime in my perspective, but that's my question So I believe um, if I if I remember correctly council member crone and then council member meyers questions Okay, thank you mayor. Um, I saw you use the word so you What what what is that and does it exist now? An so you is um a creature created in our cold our code. It's a small ownership unit Um, it is sort of the ownership answer to an sro Which is a single room occupancy. Those are typically rentals that don't have full a full set of services in the unit so an so you is um Defined really really distinctly and explicitly in our code. It's essentially a studio apartment um, we have a One or two projects in the city That are so use that that exists now. Yes, and that somebody bought an so you yes Where is it? Uh, there's one the one on the project at south pacific next to the turn 555 5055 455 So white building with the You know when you're driving down pacific and you're heading to the boardwalk And you make that like left that right bend and there's that It's just a story building Yeah, 555. Maybe it's 555. It's just pass. Does anybody have google maps on the I thought that was I thought that was all rentals No, some of those units have been sold. They are allowed to they're allowed to rent a portion of that But um, and they're the they're the second project. There's another project in town But I don't know where it is like 94 condos that were built there, right? Yeah A couple. Okay. Um, the other question ahead was um Why Such I could you talk a little bit about the privacy concerns again because I I don't get it. I don't I don't see how Any of this is going to be useful if People don't put the data on and the data becomes useful for someone to look it up And I understand, you know, they're doing it a couple places already right now. So What's what's what's the concern? So, um So I have a couple of concerns Number one, I'm concerned about tenants that live that are receiving a housing choice voucher And live in housing where their landlord receives a market rate rent and they don't pay a market rate rent And I would be cautious about disclosing that publicly I don't I I think that's a problem to Identify the those tenants they would be identifiable by the rent that their landlord receives It's a very specific amount. I think for one bedroom. It's like 1862 So you could conceivably scan through the list and identify all the section 8 voucher holders by their unit. I have a concern with that Number two, what we heard from landlords is that they have concerns people who own one rental unit And That that someone could look up the information on their one rental unit and then make some assumptions about their income Based on what they're able to find out from the rental database um Maybe that could be addressed by providing different cost information from the landlord, you know So that that information is put in some kind of context We're trying to balance that with not making it too complicated to come to participate. So, um I think that there are just some some challenges in making this Completely open source data available to the public I think there's some sensitivities around that and if the community Wants to go there. It should be a community discussion about it If your council feels really strongly one way, obviously we're gonna, you know hear what you have to say but I think that you know landlords are also concerned with tenants being able to compare rents within the Building and you know one tenant that's been in their unit for 20 years may be paying a different rent than someone who moved in two or three years ago Which we would all kind of expect and I could see how that would create some Tension in a building You know, I think there I think there are there are some questions that we can explore around that You know, I'm interested to hear what the council is to say And as I understand Alameda And el sirita are doing it now and they they're they're collecting this information It is available all the section 8 rents are available and you you can you can look up individual units That's what i'm asking so So alameda, I don't believe you can do that alameda collects the information They review it. They have a rent control ordinance in alameda that applies to certain units and not to others So certain rents trigger administrative action by the city. So they're collecting it to view that information I don't I have not encountered does not mean it doesn't exist But I haven't encountered an open source database of rental information And I haven't found that And just so everybody knows all of our most of our salaries if you're a public employee, that's It's already, you know public. Yeah Councilmember Myers I just had a question kind of in your process of thinking through this so we approve the Large rent increase ordinance last january Uh, and so I'm just kind of wondering Where you know the signal in We may have missed that signal to some extent correct because of the timing of that But um, I'm just curious about um, just your thoughts on For example, I noticed you you mentioned that we could ask the reason for the change for example in a change in rent Amount, you know, and so would you envision? Um, I mean because I think that's an important thing I mean, I think that we have a policy in place that may either dissuade people from raising rents over a certain amount or it may cause people to raise potentially raise rents the annual limit each year. So I'm just curious about Could you could we capture that in this reason for change? Or did you think through that because we sort of have this policy that's come into place? Which is a little different than sort of even this the history of two years ago Well, so when we um When we Drop that initial list of like reasons that an event might have taken place Maybe that's one of the reasons we should add is like Maximum allowable annual rent increase. I think it would be an important if we did ask that question I think it's important to Yeah, not allowable that's correct. I mean and It's important to remember, you know, what that policy does, right? It's it's about relocation expenses. It's not about controlling the rent Um, but so, you know, we would find the right phrase to say that, you know, maximum allowable under under county city code xyz maximum, you know Sighted this is Probably a topic for a longer term conversation and I hope that um through this process That hopefully gets set up To move in that direction. We can talk about it. But I do think it's worth also acknowledging that our large rent increase Ordinance at least from what I'm hearing it has a tendency to actually Promote evictions because rather than paying relocation fees for for those landlords who don't Necessarily care who's living in their unit. They can find a new tenant and not have to pay the relocation So just want to put it out there that we should be thinking about that as part of this Conversation for future direction Any other questions from council at this time? Okay, seeing none. We'll go ahead and first think and acknowledge the staff for within a short period of time I'm providing a really comprehensive recommendation over the summer months So just want to acknowledge and appreciate your work here and bringing this proposal forward Um yeah kudos to the staff seriously um so at this point, I realize that some folks may have to leave a little bit early or Want to just briefly share. I'm a supporter. I'm against or however So I would like to open up public comment as I suggested at the very beginning of starting this item That any individual who'd like to address the council really briefly will be able to do so in one minute first Once we're concluding the one minute kind of just wanted to share x y and z with you We'll go ahead and open it up to the two presentations that reached out to me in advance to have additional time At which time then we'll return to the two minute portion of public comment So any individuals before we move to presentations want to briefly address the council in one minute? Please Good evening Good evening. My name is gail jack And thank you all for this and for staff Um, I just wanted to say I sent an email This afternoon supporting this project now. I'm not so sure As I hear the presentation and my concern is How long this is going to take and what happens to our tenants? Over two two and a half years as councilmember Glover has pointed out. I think we need to if this goes into effect. I need I think you I would encourage you To figure out what needs to be done in the interim because if as Has been pointed out We're finding landlords going to the limit on what they can raise rents on We're going to have more homeless and more people Leaving the city. Thank you so much I also agree that we should definitely Do something as an emergency now If you are a tenant you're living in total anxiety in this community And the this kind of a study I think would have to be done Where tenants and landlords have to report every single month because there's going to be total chaos Anyway with people being evicted at such massive Amounts the other thing is be interesting to know how many of these units are owned by people that don't live in Santa Cruz let alone in the state of california and in my experience of trying to rent apartments in this town The foreign owned which means maybe somebody from chicago or dc or new york or something the people that own those properties will never rent to me because You know of all kinds of status the most common being having been Convicted of a misdemeanor for trying to put free speech boxes on pacific avenue. Thank you very much Any other individuals interested in addressing the council in one minute? Okay, seeing none. We'll go ahead and invite up Our presentation folks. We have I had a robert norris from huff I'm not seeing mr. Norris here. So we'll go ahead and invite up. Uh, mr Keshav kumar from the california apartment association to have up to four minutes I'm going to remind the community that everybody has an opportunity to address the council without threat and intimidation Anybody who wants to address the council for two minutes? You're welcome to line up to my left and we'll go ahead and go down the line at that time So you'll have up to four minutes, mr Thank you. Thank you. Mayor walkins and honorable members of the city council My name is case of kumar and i'm here representing the california apartment association We are opposed to invasive data collection methods that are traditionally tied to rent registries A traditional rent registry would invade the privacy of both landlords and tenants Requiring the disclosure of information such as addresses Utility costs and the number and size of bedrooms and bathrooms in a unit It would also make each tenants rent payment history or non-payment history potentially public information Data submitted to the city could be made public if it wasn't already either through a public records request or by a subpoena through a state or federal agency The purpose of the registry is to provide data on rent changes and evictions in the city However, the data request that the city council originally proposed went too far beyond that purpose to include items outside of that scope such as the square footage of each unit and property amenities CAA views the originally proposed registry as an unnecessary burden on each property owner to create And maintain records that may not ever see the light of day With all of this in mind the california apartment association supports city staff's preliminary pilot program in its current form Some of the things that we see as being important are that it will not collect lease documents It will not collect documents in support of proposed landlord action It will not collect the names of tenants It will not collect previous rental data And finally it will not be enforced by a city entity We also support the proposed timeline outline in the memo The timeline highlights the fact that snapshots of rental trends do not work Having a year's worth of data will give the city council a far better understanding of santa cruises rental situation Thank you so much We'll go ahead and ask that if you want to take a phone call, please do step outside, sir And if uh those who are in the audience wouldn't mind turning down their cell phones That would be great if you'd like to take your phone call. You're welcome to do so outside At this point we'll go ahead and allow for the folks who want to address the council with um out interruption To come forward and you'll have up to two minutes She said I'm norah hawkman I am not a landlord nor am I a tenant So Let me just say a couple of things. They're going to be a little scattered First of all, it was quite a stunning presentation from your staff who Has now buried us In the bureaucracy Of kind of nothingness Because if you really push this program out Half of you will not be here When this comes back to a council and for some of you That's a really good thing that you will not be here, but it begs continuity That's what it's begging. That's number one So it's way too long a timeline Number two that very first slide that went up That said something about unity and collaboration is not Possible and I say in the most neutral way One group of people holds power Absolute power Over the other when you have that situation Much like with oe3 Although they have the power of their labor And they may yet flex it But when you have a group of people that holds power over the others You cannot achieve unity and collaboration Number three once again The apartment association is in the room. They don't live here. They don't have to deal with this And finally The woman that you just heard from who has worked for the city for seven years Who now lives in felton is your exhibit a as to why this ought to be a six month pilot project With consideration of extension at the end of that time Nicholas white editor co-founder of conscience and action I don't see how these statistics could Be objective they're going to be stewed Because they're only voluntary So you're not going to get accurate complete data this way This this is not professional. This is kind of guesswork and The onus to report is probably going to be very heavily on the renters and the advocates for renters Why would landlords want to uh comply with this? So if the onus is on the renters Then that builds up the possibility of great animosity Towards those renters who do the reporting You've got to be aware aren't we trying to reduce animosity between two factions in our county? Hopefully we are I think onus would also suspect how this data might be used in the future And i'm not the first speaker to say that Um, so i'm worried about potential retaliation against renters because i know a lot of renters who've been retaliated against Especially if they're organizer types And since the address would be given It would be easy to identify who might have reported And another part of my final thing is what about including landlords costs of maintenance and repair work? I mean if you're going to do a survey don't you want to include that Some landlords struggle with that aspect Um garret philip I had a couple of three points one is whatever cost this has will eventually be paid by the tenants. You do know that uh, secondly, I Did a study back in november or whatever using the best data I could And my conclusion and you go off check this yourself if you want But the ratio of rent to asset price of single-family houses is the same today as it was in the year 2000 So things haven't really changed. We've just had a lot of inflation The argument then could be made. Well, you could say well Rents are too high or you could equally say incomes are too low. Actually the data kind of suggests incomes are too low Um at any rate, I must try to read through which I can't hear Uh, let's start in the middle. I guess Landlords are mere retailers of rental housing They abide by the same laws of supply and demand or wholesale to retail prices as any other retailer It is a free market tenants can choose to live where they want if they can pay Just like shoppers can buy where they want anytime it's offered as they choose any retail product And I would add that the power that tenants have is the power to move Uh, while they don't they don't have to be oppressed Okay While landlords are subject to the harassment of the city council like this is not well understood It makes little sense that a small number of other cities harass their landlords and violate privacy rights means little to me Ask Safeway or all the retailers in town to report price changes or refusals to provide service and see how that goes over For I hope the last time I state that is no more factually Reality to state rents are too high than the state incomes are too low for some to live here This is a Trojan horse attempt to justify rent control implement some of its structure as a You know a trial thing that might turn into something else Even though there is Excuse me Uh, you want to implement some of the structure of rent control even though there is no rent control And the people don't want it as proven by the defeat of Measure M Let's speak here. Um, I'm Reggie Meisler. I live in uh, Santa Cruz I just find it really disturbing that the california apartment association an opponent of a lot of tenant policy throughout the state Loves this policy. I think that this policy is meant for tenants The reason we even have this policy here is not because landlords want data collection It's because tenants have high rents and they have concerns about that. So I just think that's bizarre Also, the main driver of cost in this policy is from a landlord request because They wanted it to be easier to use and so you're paying a lot of software cost So i'm just pointing that out as well um And then also like look at how this policy is written Landlords want aggregated data tenants want transparency. These are in opposition to each other And then one is seemingly chosen over another even though this policy is for tenants And then landlords keep coming up here with california apartment association Telling us that they're concerned about tenant transparency when clearly the outreach says tenants favor greater transparency So, I mean this is just so disingenuous um and Just one last point about the subpoenas and this Bizarre idea that we do records requests for data. I mean that takes weeks months to get I I asked for vacancy data from pg&e six months ago, and I still haven't gotten it. So this is just ridiculous So Hi Darius mostening I really learned something new tonight that there aren't Landlords don't aren't charged business licenses So do I talk to the finance department about getting refund on the $900 a year? I've spent in the past 30 years on business licenses for migranial properties. There is Every property not a landlord, but every property does have a business license Maybe doesn't apply to single-family homes, but um, so I just want to correct that Um Statement there uh second um I'm concerned about I I like the idea of the data collection to me It's like uh zillow for san jacuzzi. I don't real market. We get to see what's going on As a landlord, but i'm really concerned about the cost and so forth and I thought before You embark on what could be an expensive and dubious result Uh project do a focus group of just random tenants not tenant activists random tenants Selected give them and Tyson with a 10 20 starbucks peach coffee gift card You'll get a great showing and it'll be 100 200 random tenants sprinkle throughout the city focus group ask the very same questions I would suggest doing that prior to kicking off such a um Such an endeavor and lastly i'm still confused by the cries of displacement. What does any self-respecting digitally proficient Santa Cruz resident do when they have a beef they start a facebook page I have yet to see anything on facebook any of the moving for housing justice pages any of the tenant activists pages any of the The santa cruz rental pages of anybody complaining about being displaced And facebook is like our you know, that's where we air our grievances. So help me out with it. Thank you All right I'll just remind the community to allow the individual to speak whether or not you agree with them without disruption Please thank you. My name is fred and tacky. I'm a commercial real estate Manager at work in city of santa cruz and elsewhere in the county and i'm also an advocate for affordable housing Um, and I guess I want to say the end goal of our collective efforts I think the collective efforts of the people in the city should be to increase the supply of housing in a particular affordable housing So in my opinion the the registration this rental registration May sound like a an innocuous measure to those who favor price control approach To addressing the housing crisis, but I think as proposed by the majority council who initiated or supported This it's an invasive it's invasive compulsory Rental registration. I think it's a thinly veiled attempt to circumvent the overwhelming defeat of measure m Which lost by a 62 to 38? Percent vote last fall If this is made compulsory which adds financial and operational burdens on to people who are landlords You will succeed in driving more housing providers out of the market particularly those who rent Single-family homes which happen to be the bulk of rentals in the city This is a fact supported by data that we provided to the council It was showing that somewhere between 30 to 100 units were lost during the run up to And as a direct result of the threat of measure m last fall You cannot win by declaring war on landlords If you're serious about implementing real long-term solutions to our housing crisis You need to reach out to a broad spectrum of leaders who represent the interests of our entire community including affordable housing advocates tenants landlords property managers and housing developers And rather than try to make good on a campaign promise to pass rent control come heller high water I invite you to reach out engage with all sides and stakeholders and do the hard work to find common ground because it is hard And I appreciate your efforts what you're doing in general But don't succumb to the kind of divisiveness that we see played out on the national level So I would ask you vote against the rental registration ordinance as proposed and work towards creation of more affordable housing Thank you Good evening. My name is mary brezlin I'm a long-term resident of santa cruz and I just want to show my support for this very efficient and kind proposal Made by these two ladies I think they did a thoroughly wonderful job of considering landlords and tenants Landlords need to be considered as much as tenants 50 50 I'm a landlord in another city And my property was remodeled and maintained in such a way that I put my tenant Um as a very prized individual I'm not a greedy person I don't know any greedy landlords So I think I don't know any greedy landlords So This plan that was sensitively constructed By this committee should really be considered over any kind of coercive effort to get landlords to bend to the will Of a small group of this in this town who are angry and not able to live here economically, that's not a landlord's fault Really technically is not a landlord's fault So those of us who are very average middle-class business people in this town We just ask for your consideration In making a plan that will ease us into Something that both parties could be could work with. Thank you. I am Nancy cruzo I'm a tenant and I have Really strong feelings about this so I will keep it under control But I don't feel as a tenant that I am ever listened to in this town Or ever have been since in the 20 years I've been here I think when we solve issues We tend to solve them in the direction as someone has said of those who hold power This is not a hate thing. This is an ask for some equality of voice Of Rights of transparency If this is not enforced it will invalidate the whole collection If it takes two years to get information where and we still don't enforce it. What good is it? If we Don't require business licenses and unit fees. What are we going to pay for it with and why wouldn't we? They are a small small offering Oh, I thought you were a mesh uh motioning to me over there. So I think it should be required. I think it has to be required to have any meaning We have listened to owners Always in this country and in this state the state has 40 tenants. We have more than 50 percent We vote We're just like owners except we don't own the homes, but we respect living here We don't wish to be transient We would like to stay and have a voice and we would like this to happen and happen now with full force I oh one more thing before one more thing about uh information I consider it important to know And from this there's no reason not to know who owns a property. Are they in or out of state? And follow patterns Thank you Hi there, my name is stacey falls I think I've told most of you that I recently got uh kicked out of my home of 11 years my rental of 11 years And if I haven't complained loudly enough about that I want to complain About being kicked out of my home of 11 years. Sorry Darius that I wasn't loud enough about that Um, I didn't want to leave because switching homes isn't the same thing as switching the store where I buy tomatoes Okay, I got kicked out of my house. I spent a lot of time looking at craigslist In the three months that I was looking the cheapest rental that I found was a 1900 studio apartment So the the owner of the cheapest rental in town is making over 20 000 dollars a year This is big business and this needs to be controlled like business. We need to know what these Business folks are doing in our town 60 percent of Santa Cruz residents are renters their packet books are directly affected But I would argue that the high cost of rent affects everybody because we all count on low and middle income renters teachers nurses Transportation workers service workers who clean our hotel rooms and work at the boardwalk We depend on those people and our entire economy is being eroded And the city has a vested interest in figuring out what is going on and what can be done about it I have a pretty good idea my hypothesis is that it's because of skyrocketing rents And I know some landlords will tell you oh it's not the rents aren't going up that much and I treat my tenants like family Great fine So let's collect the data and you can prove me wrong. I don't understand why anybody would have a problem with getting more information This needs to be compulsory. It needs to be timely This business needs to be tracked like the business that it is a huge business that impacts the entire town Hi there. My name is Jeb Santa Cruz and uh, I second everything Stacy just said actually um I wanted to say so I was in the tenant focus group for this one And this presentation bears very very little resemblance to the conversation that we had which was largely about enforcement And to hear to come back and then have have no enforcement mechanism completely voluntary process I was shocked. I left that meeting relatively positive on the process and Now I I wouldn't be in favor of this thing. Um Beyond that though, I think the the Bigger problem that I have with all of this is the idea that we need to somehow In thinking about even in thinking about the data collection We need to balance the interests of all of the parties when we're interested in Climate change we don't say well What are the facts that the that the oil companies want to give us and what are the facts that the environmentalists want to Give us and then try and try and figure out some sort of happy medium There are facts that are needed for the conversation and the city has an obligation to collect Whatever is needed to facilitate this conversation and for those of you that were elected By tenants and that were elected On a platform have spent time campaigning on rent control if we can't even get a robust data collection Effort like on the books here. I don't even know what what the city council is for I mean, this is the most this is the most minimal tenant tenant protection that we can possibly get And I think that you all should be doing whatever you can to make sure that what we get is enforceable And includes I think that most of the information that we're looking to collect is is good. This is what we need. I think it should absolutely include Identifiable landlord information all of this stuff should be in there as well but Enforceability is key and and we have to get this done and faster than a year and a half from now My name is Barbara River woman. Hello everybody I'm going to cry over spilt milk tonight I think we had a much better Solution to this whole thing. I'm going to say it was the rent board. That would have been a great Institution to collect all the data and it wouldn't have cost One cent it didn't cost a cent in berkeley It didn't cost a cent in oakland other cities that have rent control If we had had a rent board where renters and landlords could bring their complaints Over time we would have exactly the kind of information we needed the kinds of problems that come up We don't have that it would have been Cost zero not a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars could have gone into into operation really quickly We wouldn't have had to wait outrageous two years. The second thing i'm crying over spilt milk is All of these studies We've had the housing blueprint We've had all of these studies listening sessions and now it's going to go back into a deep dive into the community We've been yelling at each other for five or six years We've heard each other out we we had an opportunity and this is the second missed opportunity to have a task force and the saddest day in my life After measure m failed was to see an empty chambers here nobody from The anti measure m people nobody from the not too many from the pro measure m people Why is it down To the peace table and talk to each other and come up with reasonable solutions And i don't think all of these deep dives and all these listening sessions are going to come up with solutions because they're not solution oriented It's going to take a structured solution oriented professionally guided Thing like with the water supply committee to actually come up with a solution and otherwise it's just going to be the powerful against The non-powerful and we're not going to get anywhere. So i'm crying Hello councilmembers fazz living here in santa Cruz I really appreciate the thought that's been put into this about the or more more so the intention about doing this I think it's important. I think it's the bare bones of writing good policy, right is for us to have data right And I also like how had gale had mentioned and how others before me had mentioned they came into this meeting Thinking that this was something we're going to support I have to say the non enforcement mechanism is something that is very concerning for me Just from a data perspective, right? I mean professors can tell you this right if you're a researcher And you're doing data and you're voluntarily allowing people to file that data You've already created a bias you've created a bias of of landlords who are Who are price gouging their tenants and who are unfairly affecting their tenants not reporting that data And you have the landlords who like well, i'm not you know, you know Thankfully for the good landlords who don't do that, you know, they'll be like well, i'll report my data anyway You're already creating a skew in that data and it's not going to be accurate And so I think that just I appreciate the intention. I just don't think this is really going to do what we're trying to do Which is find unbiased data Um, it's just not going to be reliable. I'm not going to trust it And I don't know if anybody else is going to trust it concerning the fact that it's not enforceable So I think if we had that component, I think if we explore that component I feel like it would make this pilot program a little bit more effective So I really just urge you to think about that Um, and yeah, so thank you Hello, my name is Martha and I'm a landlord to a home I inherited in another county Meaning my father had to die for me to be a homeowner And I'm also a renter here in santa cruz And a santa cruz county employee I also am a counselor for students at ucsc As the data collection plan stands I I can't support it Additionally, I'm skeptical of any proposed data collection plan developed by city council You've been collecting data information and hearing stories of people's hardships for years and still have done nothing Does this mean you will do nothing in the meantime? We need rent control just cause eviction and relocation fees or some type of protection for renters now Because the problem is happening now not a year from now not two years from now. Thank you Good evening. I'm scott graham There's a few problems with what's proposed there one is how long it's going to take to implement this program I think you could have a couple of public meetings community meetings prior to no Prior to october and have the site up and running by october You don't need to like march around town for a year before you Get people's input Secondly, I think this could Eventually do harm to some tenants that Leave negative things about their landlords on the site. So there would have to be some sort of a whistleblower law Put into effect to make sure that tenants aren't Kicked out of their houses for saying what's true about the property that they live on Um The other thing is that this could be a double-edged sword and it might not not only be good for tenants to Find where the best housing is or the cheapest housing But also landlords could look at it and say hey that guy two blocks from here is charging $500 more a month than I am So i'm going to kick these people out and raise my rents $500 And you know so the fact that it's not compulsory Is also a problem because you're going to get data that Is probably going to be unusable In a lot of ways if it was a compulsory program Then hopefully the data would be more reliable and So I think there's a lot of good that could come out of this program, but there's also some possible Problems that need to be resolved before you implement this. Thank you Evening members of city council mayor Watkins Regardless of what you ultimately decide this program should look like Something that I really want to talk about is privacy And privacy of information For tenants specifically i'm a tenant in the city of santa cruz and I think that if you collect Financial information like how much money I can afford to pay at my current address And in a rental application in the future Different landlord asks me, you know, where was your previous address or do you have any references as to where you used to live? And they can see that I was able to afford more that could negatively affect me in the future So um, I have moved several times While I've lived in santa cruz because I found a better deal and I didn't have to disclose that to my to my you know tenant necessarily I could You know, I if I if I wrote other references of other landlord saying that I was a good tenant Maybe I didn't have to disclose that one where I had just lived So I just want to make you aware of the potential impacts I can have For tenants I want to you know, if taking a note to protect the constitution of the united states The fourth amendment keep supposed to keep me, you know My privacy safe and I want you to be, you know, very conscious and aware of that Of all the potential effects that it can have in a you know, a tenant's life And you know, if I'm negotiating salary, I don't know. I just there's just many other things that Having my address where a lot of people know where I live and the amount of money I can pay Disclose to the public or available to the public. It's concerning. So please keep that in mind. Thank you So I just want to get a sense of who else would like to address the council on this item this evening I did not get your request I did not receive that request. Did you receive that request? Okay. Well, you'll have um, well, you can have your two minutes I'll go ahead and compromise I'll give you I'll give you three minutes having not seen it. I I truly did not see your I sent it and I can showcase that I sent it. Why don't we go ahead and have um, unless you hear back from me It's usually not granted and so sometimes it could go today. Was it granted because I didn't get any answer at all We started the meeting at 10 10 a.m. Today. So I didn't have a chance to check my email I'll go ahead and compromise. We'll give you three minutes to to speak on behalf of your group Why don't we go ahead and allow you to come forward? I don't have any more groups. We did groups earlier Is there any other members of the community who wants to dress the council on this item? Okay, why don't we go ahead and have you do your presentation in three minutes and then we'll conclude with the last of the public comment So some of you have been accepting data from spurious politically biased sources that without requesting the source data So that's not a good practice. So um in the start, you know, you talk about a temporary I mean an opportunity for community healing but The temporary respite of another rent freeze would be the best healing balm for the tenants Collecting data to answer questions about why you should stand up for tenants is a good place to start A lot of cities are enacting ordinances that require more community participation from rental property owners And many are cities without rent control I believe a per unit fee would pay for one full-time employee for the rent registry. El Cerrito has 20 000 people We have 65 000 people. We have more units and that's more money, but they pay the person the same so Um just as a business licenses and tax information let you know what kinds of businesses how many there are etc So the rent registry lets you know the economic impact of the rental market speaking of business licenses Some landlords object to having identifying information released in a public record But heads up landlords with business licenses have had their names and their home addresses and their rental properties listed forever In the city's public business license database I looked at it today. I doubt any of them have sued each other the city or anyone over that fact The privacy concern is fake news and a red herring Here's a short list of big and small cities that have required or currently require owners of single family rental homes and duplexes To buy a business license Lancaster, Los Angeles, El Cerrito, Richmond, San Diego and Fort Bragg There's many more Santa Cruz has been missing out on a lot of revenue 75 single family homes You're not charging for people who rent their single family home out. These are landlords corporate landlords people who live in other states and Countries and cities and their average $3,000 unit grosses 36,000 a year, but many houses gross much more than that And many landlords don't live in the city, but their business impacts are streets water garbage And traffic and it's not too much to ask each landlord to pay a reasonable fee to help out And landlords received the right to practice in a landlord's market first and foremost the city's had dismal rental vacancy rates forever Landlord information is also readily available from the county assessor and recorders database There's no legal reason to suddenly disaggregate it from the public record landlord information This is simply a demand meant to slow down progress on a law that could reveal rental market data That's here to fore been collected privately by landlord groups such as cAA etc Retroactive data collection is not doomed to failure businesses keep records landlords file their income taxes And many of them got lots of big deductions. So they do keep records And i've included the city's current business license application form It says at the bottom i declare under penalty of perjury that the above information is true and correct To the best of my knowledge you can have landlords do exactly the same thing like business owners do It's really not a stretch Tenant information should not be collected at all. We never wanted it to be You're welcome to leave your remarks here So this will be the opportunity for anybody who wants to address the council for this portion So we'll go ahead and see i have two if i'm reading correctly two folks that want to come forward Is that correct? Okay, we'll go ahead and you're welcome to submit them No, there was somebody behind you. I said you can do your presentation first So if there's any other members of the community will have Um, uh, these two as the final input, please. Hi, i'm susan karen Um, i participated in the relocation ordinance meeting and i really appreciate the staff's recognition that those providing rentals Are an important part of the equation We do have a lot of experience some of us have done this for our entire professional careers And we know rental housing that most people Information about rental housing that most people might not have at their disposal I really liked what sarah said About telling both tenant and landlord stories. I think that's one of the most balanced things. I've heard through this entire process And I just want to applaud that Second tenants do not have to identify themselves is my understanding through this process that was proposed But landlords do and i'm wondering why that is What what safekeeping would there be that tenants are are providing real information? Okay, or that they're real tenants. I just there's a certain level of distrust that was identified by the Um consultant before and unfortunately that's transferred to me So I would hope that transparency would be required from both groups You're concerned about tenant displacement, but what about displacing and eliminating units from the rental stock? I see this happen every day There are a lot more than 100 units that have been removed from the rental stock. It's very sad People are selling because they're afraid of this whole process And lastly, there are so many hurtful assumptions being made The decisive device that is resulting is absolutely disheartening It's sad and disappointing and I hope you find a way to find a more balanced solution I get the distinct impression that for some of you the worst is thought about property providers Fortunately, I have a pretty good self-esteem and I don't feel bad about what I do. I know what I do as professional I'm fair. I'm balanced We manage properties that we own and it's not one or two It's a lot more than that because we've saved our entire professional careers to do this for our retirement. It's my job Okay, this is not a hobby or a pastime This is my job And I take it very seriously and I do it very well And I think assumptions are made that most people don't and I resent that Lynn Renshaw Santa Cruz together.com. I appreciate what the prior speaker just said SCT supports the staff's recommendation for a pilot program as proposed without amendments The timeline and steps for community input are appreciated You need to be very careful. Otherwise the rental supply will be further reduced Rental data should be confidential and only used in the aggregate to avoid creating new problems in the community problems between tenants in the same building If the honest goal is understanding the rental market, this is adequate I'd like to remind the council that your 2020 budget on page 22 also cites the american community Survey an independent Survey produced by HUD which characterizes rents in Santa Cruz today We appreciate staff recognizing the very challenging environment We're still in a toxic political environment where ordinary homeowners are vilified as greedy and evil There is a need to heal the community and protect our fragile housing rental housing supply People should also realize that city funds for housing are limited From the 2020 budget on page ed 21. We find the following budget housing and community development $569,000 low and moderate housing acquisition $691,000 low and moderate housing development $242,000 that's 1.5 million at 350,000 a unit. That's four units The vast majority of rentals are voluntarily provided by the community Renters depend on the community to offer rentals. That's why we appreciate being part of your welcome to leave your comments Before you get started, mr. McKenry, I want to go ahead and give you a warning I've you've laughed and made other types of comments as people are leaving and I find that as not in Adherence with our council decorum policies. So that's been a warning if you want to continue to stay Please allow for people to speak without disruption and allow our council deliberations to to continue without disruption And if not, I will go ahead and ask you to leave So before Okay, you you you have been warned as well Okay, so I have you as our last speaker and you'll have um unless there's any other member of the community who wants to speak Okay, no, you'll have two minutes to speak and then we'll go ahead and return back to my town My name is george kabin First of all, just thank you for your work staff. I i'm not going to take a position on This because I don't know enough about it. I will say I did vote for measure m And the reason i'm up here talking is because I heard one of the commenters say There hasn't anyone complaining on social media about being displaced Well, I lived in the same house for 17 years. I was a reliable tenant um kept very good care of the place and um Would never have been asked to leave except the owners decided to sell the house They gave us 60 days to leave after living there for 17 years And there were five of us and it was it was brutal. Um, this was a little over a year ago and um I can't afford to live in this town anymore and i've been here since 1990 and um I've worked at the same job for 20 years and i'm still at that job And I get paid, you know way better than minimum wage, but I cannot afford to live in this town anymore I had to move into A friend's house. She was kind enough to take my twin sister and I in we share a very small bedroom We share a bed. I am the displaced I'm not saying I have the solution, but I wanted to speak up because I am among them It's been very traumatic and affected me In countless ways so um And when I did say something on my own facebook page, I didn't identify my landlord But I complained about numerous really disrespectful things that happened in the 60 days that we had to leave and we were still paying full rent She went after me like the vengeance because she saw it on my facebook page I again did not name her but somehow she found it and it was really messed up because The things I were complaining about was You know I shouldn't have to pay full rent and put up with all the stuff that was happening You know as I was trying to move out of this house of 17 years, so I am the displaced. That's all I want to say Okay, so um, that will then we'll go ahead and close Public comment for this item. I just want to thank you for being here and voicing your concerns I um want you to know that having been through a number of these Meetings that it's it's always a difficult conversation and I think you know as we move forward I ask that you allow us to have some deliberation without interruption After the seppos report. I think we have an opportunity to really try to change some of our patterns and Ultimately, hopefully we can come to an area of consensus or an area of direction that will lead us to best serve our community And I think that's why all of our council members ran for office That's why we're all sitting up here and and we ask that you as Observers and participants also respect this process So we appreciate having had a public comment we're going to go ahead and close public comment and I ask in advance for your respect to allow us to deliberate for Action and next steps without disruption So at this time, we'll go ahead and return back to council for action and deliberation And I have vice mayor Cummings grabbing my attention Please So there's been a lot of concerns that I've heard that we've heard tonight from the public and there's a lot of concerns Around and first I actually want to thank the staff for all the hard work that you all put in Especially, you know going through the summer months when a lot of folks were on vacation And the fact that you all took the time to reach out to folks in the community I think that's extremely important and I love the fact that you all intend on continuing to do that because It's just another step at our ability to try to find some reconciliation in this whole process I do have some concerns with the voluntary data collection around enforcement and another point another part of the Recommendations I had concerned with was really understanding the current data collection systems we use and our ability to Incorporate this kind of data collection within those systems and so So currently I don't support the staff recommendation to pursue the voluntary program But I think the city council needs more information on what's an acceptable mandatory program Whether or not that's feasible and to also Get more community input So I would like to make the following motion given that it's nine o'clock and we still have I think four or five other items So motion that the city council Establish a two-member Rental data collection subcommittee to follow up on the information presented In today's staff report and to investigate further the feasibility and cost effectiveness of modifying One of the current city data collection systems or explore other systems to collect and provide comprehensive reliable data And information on rent increases and evictions and notices to quit in the city It's the first part And then that the city council direct the appropriate city staff to meet with and assist the subcommittee in understanding the city's existing data collection systems And exploring feasible options for modifying them in a cost effective manner And that the subcommittee with staff assistance investigate similar programs in other communities And provide recommendations to the city council And then finally that the that the city staff Um continue community outreach to further inform this process So motions by vice mayor Cummings. We have a second by council member brown. We have a hand by Yeah, thank you a couple a couple things So vice mayor, what's your timeline associated with that proposal because that sounded like it was going to take a while I actually Fairly confident that we could bring this back probably in the next two next meeting on the the one after I mean because I think that what we're really trying to do is build on what the staff program is The outreach I think is going to take a little bit longer time frame and we're going to work We could work on that plan with the city staff When we saw the work plan that came out earlier It seemed that um the establishment of this program was going to take a few months and within that subcommittee. I think we could work on Bringing back recommendations and a timeline for the implementation to the city council for action Totally so the timeline that we saw earlier today was From now until december and it was my understanding. I must have misread the chart I thought that was like, okay We're going to start there and then we're going to collect data and start doing stuff And I get that's the timeline kind of except that the end result is august of 2021. So I'm concerned on a lot of levels with the I mean First of all that motion was huge. So I don't even remember What all four of them are do you have copies of it for everyone so that we can look at what you wrote? I can pass them up, but essentially to create a two-member subcommittee composed of myself and sandy brown Uh to review what was proposed today and provide modifications and um recommendations That we meet with city staff To understand the data collecting systems and export feasible options And that we assist staff the subcommittee with staff assistants investigate similar programs under the communities and continue community outreach and do you have a solution for In the interim of this whole process With regards to protecting tenants or we would want to bring this back for action and deliberation Amongst the city council members. So if we would like to consider another Like if we're going to resurface anything that was brought up previously I think that would be a separate item that we wouldn't be able to act on that at this point in time okay So just to voice some other thoughts that came up through the conversation Definitely disconcerted that the proposal is supported by both the apartment association of california, which just to put it in perspective for everyone Is the same body that uh, basically pressured the el sirido city council to rescind the just cause evictions Ordnance that they had put in because of a threat of referendum They were criticized by local progressive groups in the area for collecting signatures in unethical ways And it's also a point to bring into a point a point of context that this is the same organization that dumped boatloads of money Tens of thousands not hundreds of thousands of dollars into our local election last time So I'm a little concerned that they support the proposal Also sand and cruise together which has come out and made it unequivocally very very clear that they have very little to No interest in renters protections based off of everything that we've tried to establish in the consistent pushback against anything even resembling representation of tenants in policy and in data collection So those two things make it immediately that I cannot support this This I also really you know the the statement that came up about wanting for a quality between the two groups and I couldn't Agree more with the speaker who mentioned the inability of us to maintain or even get to anywhere close to unity or equality While there is such a power dynamic that exists between renters and landlords So we should really be taking that into consideration and again I do want to echo my appreciation for The staff for wanting to tell the stories of both the tenants and the landlords But we need to be looking at this from a real world perspective and in the real world Tenants have almost little very little to no power in what's going on So that needs to be taken into consideration in the community outreach process in the structuring process and in the engagement process The fact that I mentioned before that it's non compulsory is unacceptable to me personally Doing some quick math If we there's as I always hear this number estimated 15,000 units in Santa Cruz that are for for rent Let's just say that their claims of losing a hundred or more rentals Throughout whatever tumultuous process there was that would still eat 14,800 whatever. Let's just go with 15,000 though At the $44 per unit rate that would come out to $660,000 per year that we could use to run a program to analyze and look at data collection and figure out rental solutions So there's the money for the program right there. We don't even need to talk about 30 to 125,000 coming out of our fiscal revenue Also, it was brought up that we're we don't have enough money for affordable housing I believe was that the representative from Santa Cruz together That mentioned that well, you'd absolutely correct I would agree with you on that except that it's because we have failed tax policies that make it so that landlords Especially ones that are buying multiple properties or doing things are not paying enough into our affordable housing development funds To be able to go ahead and pause you I just want to remind the community again to allow the council members to speak without disruption We've had an opportunity to hear from you now. It's our time to deliberate So please continue without I appreciate that even though I totally welcome your your auditory responses So, uh, I think I really enjoyed the whistleblower uh protection for retaliation because a post measure m we did see many Rental advocates experience retaliation and lose their housing or experience tremendous rent increases due to retaliation from landlords Now this is not I just want to preface because All a lot of landlords come and say you're you're painting us all with a bad brush No, that is not true But there are bad landlords and there is no protection for tenants against those bad landlords as good of a landlord as you may be You are not the unequivocal Example or sample of landlords if you are someone that's good I think that's really important and it's what's really interesting to me Also is this sense of oppression that landlords Talk about when they come up and speak on the on the thing now It's not to say that their feelings are unjust because if you feel a certain way then that is important for us to acknowledge But what's important is to understand why you feel that way And there's a really interesting quote, which is unattributed to anyone But it's that when you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression And so taking it from that lens and looking at a population of people that has had literally Unlimited power when it comes to their decisions on renters and where their renter Alliances lead are now being put under a microscope and being asked to justify their behavior And rectify issues in our community which have been caused from uncontrolled rent and unprotected tenants So whatever we do whether we go along with councilmember or excuse me vice mayor Cummings Proposal seconded by councilmember brown and they do form the subcommittee All of these things need to be taken into very careful and clear context when building this system and looking at El Cerrito also also, I mean Yes, they have a paper a paper process and an online process, but their questions are robust So I think that we should be looking at their questionnaire as a model for ways that we're going to be collecting information And I do think it is opening up a larger conversation You know Darius who left is someone that who owns apartment complexes And I believe that's the recommendation or requirement for having business permits. I would imagine But everyone You know because because one of the speakers came up and said It's we're in the capitalist market It's just like someone that's doing retailers and the last time I checked retailers have to have business licenses So if we're going to use the argument that we're in a capitalist system It's a free market and everyone should be able to do whatever they need to do Then we need to be holding landlords to the same expectations of our other capitalist ventures that are generating profit off our community Thank you very much I want to thank staff for putting this together and doing it fairly quickly or very quickly not fairly very quickly um, the thought you put into it and appreciation for The people who participated in the focus groups, which I didn't know were happening, but thank you for doing that Um, I am interested in hearing more and I think it is worth having broader conversation in the community about this um I just want to say I seconded that before I heard my name mentioned as a so just saying I my second stands I just uh, you know, and there's many things I could say, you know about my my feelings about um The broader context in which we're trying to come up with some kind of data collection uh program What's happened what is to be the challenges that um Our community faces the challenges that tenants face. I mean, I've talked a lot about this. So I don't think I need to Belabor that um, but I specifically related to this proposal. I do want to make a couple of comments Um, I have concerns about the voluntary nature I I don't see the the will get any useful data really and I'm sorry to say that but you know Social scientists and several people in our uh public comment have mentioned self-selection bias will get us Um data that it really does not give us an accurate understanding of what's going on in our rental housing market um, even the most competent, um researcher, uh qualified in in quantitative, uh social data collection methods would not be able to find ways of um, um adjusting for you know those that bias. I mean, I just don't think it's possible. Um, so I have concerns about that I have concerns about the timeline and I I again I understand um That it's not as simple as it may appear on the face of it. Although I'd like it to be um I also want to understand the data collection technology and um, you know the limitations there a little bit better Um, and I also have concerns just which I'm not going to go into the details about those but related to the the content kind of the substance of the collection the content of the the data and It's accessibility and transparency So I think those are all conversations that we need to continue and I I don't know that we could hash them out tonight if we wanted to um, but um, I'm willing to participate in if other council members are Amenable to it in that process And come back within I I think next council meeting may be a little ambitious vice mayor comings, um, but um, you know by the second meeting in september Maybe so that gives us about six weeks Or the first meeting in october to um Somewhere around there would that'd be my aim um to to come back to the council and um So that's What I'll say for now Plenty more could be said. Thank you mayor. Um Could you could you go over when you come back to council what you'll be coming back with? I believe that the vice mayor here is typing up your Motion we're going to be sending it over to our city clerk here So we'll have a more clear picture of exactly what's being proposed. Okay, and um, I just want to say that I agree with um Not a year and a half timeline about a six month timeline. Um, I would like to see the maintenance costs also Included as as someone Mentioned at the podium. I think it should be compulsory and timely and tracked It should be enforceable identifiable landlord information Um, and I agree that there's with council member brown. There's a self-selection bias, you know, if we're going to go the way Um, it's now written And I do think The deck is stacked against tenants and it has been for a long time and um I the only the only comment I want to go back to is that someone said people are Uh selling because of maybe uncertainty in the market or fear And during the whole measure m campaign Uh, my wife and I we own three units and we also own our home And I feel privileged to to be in that position But during that time we got we've received no less than 12 postcards. It was it was a weekly thing telling us we should be fearful and The market is chaotic and they were from real estate people and people from other cities, you know Saying you got to sell now. You didn't know what's going to happen in San Diego It was like stirring up this fear used to bring these cards to meetings and pass them around and say this is what This is what's happening out there. So I don't know if uh, who created the fear in the market But uh, I think it was like a self-created fear Thank you Just in the interest of time my many of my comments have made been made and um right now i'm leaning towards uh Supporting the motion and that I think we need to to work on it a little bit more. Okay Any other comments from council members? Matthews as do we Bonnie have you received the motion? Okay, we'll go ahead and have that that comes from Matthew Just a few things occurred to me. I got the impression that our existing IT systems were oh, sorry I got the impression that our existing IT systems were just not in the All part for this so um, you know, if that's a reality move on and look at something new That will serve the purposes Certainly a voluntary system is uh incomplete. It's something it's a starting point I'll be interested to see what comes back and as I understand In your motion, you don't specify one or the other is that correct? So we'll see where the cards shake out there I am interested as you explore this to see what other Sources of information. This is not my field, but I am under the impression that there are multiple Different sources that in aggregate gives some information about Average rents and increases over time and so forth. So I know others know a whole lot about more about that than I do A question is how often would this be reported annually or every time there's a change etc. That's just a question to ask I give yourself enough time to do a decent job on it So yeah, october Because I am under the impression that you want to get information from other places I am concerned about privacy I I think that's it the subcommittee studying what other communities systems have Done and what they what their goal was in collecting this information I think the discussion now has said simply as a base of gathering information Not as phase one of some broader program That may be some people's goal, but be honest about intentions And then also what time I I think it's good to consider this a pilot so What when you come back to us have an idea of Once implemented how long you're going to allow for the pilot to to get results and and tell you something Um, so that's it. Um, you know, I have preferences, but I think asking more questions at this point is fine Just make a few comments and then I'll go ahead and acknowledge councilmember clever and then vice mayor comings one of the things that I um Sort of pick up throughout which is woven and I guess in the in the agenda report Is that you know, there is I think there is a community scar in this regard And I think one of the things that this comes on the heels of is sepas report Which said not to form a subcommittee, but at minimum that there was alignment between various sectors in the community around wanting more trusted data And I just really want to acknowledge the staff for An attempt to say that this is a sort of if you will a baby step in getting us to that place Um, and I think absent acknowledging that There will be a sentiment of it not being trusted data and we'll find ourselves in this cycle Where we won't be able to move and I fear that if we're unable to Come to a place that we can live with that may not be One thing for one person or the other But at minimum we can live with as a baby step to move us as a community in alignment In a way that will hopefully get us to a place where we're able to serve our community to the best of our ability Of all types tenets landlords and everywhere in between We we we have to remember that and so I'm supportive of this process I I just want to acknowledge that sentiment in this agenda report because I think If we don't acknowledge that then we're setting ourselves up for a cycle that we're not able to that's paralyzing essentially and and for me That's a disservice to our community. So I hope we can balance being in action Accepting that it's it's imperfect But at minimum we're able to try to move the needle in a way that's going to bring us together and support our community members So that's just sort of my general comments in regards to this This item in at large And then in regards to the motion before us happy to explore that as the best next step I will just caution uh Any kind of date certain with the reality as mayor and trying to set these agendas That it's really difficult to not have what we had today Which is a 12 hour meeting and if there are dates certain that are out of my control and trying to manage that I find us in a pattern where I'll either have to recommend that we move items and We're it's just it's just too much to take on and and so I Just want to caution that knowing the urgency of it with the balance of other items that felt felt urgent as well And how to balance those um those agendas for those purposes, especially those that have high community interest So with that I think um the motion before us is Is reasonable I think one thing to think about if we are moving in a manner where we're looking to see how we get A blended sort of perspective it would be interesting to see if it was a three council subcommittee and having somebody like Councilmember matthews on there as a landlord. Sorry. I'm not a landlord. I don't know I think I mean if we're looking at trying to have reconciliation and see where A variety of perspectives are sort of Providing a lens. Um, I think that's interesting first next step to consider. I won't stand firm on that but um It's just something to offer to the council for consideration and to the council member matthews who was named I'm being vetoed well, um, yeah That's up to the council at this point and it's up to you in terms of your interest as well as the subcommittee that's being proposed So that would just be my thoughts and sentiments and uh, we can take them for what they are and see how the council wants to go um council member I think it was council member glover and then um, was it back to the vice mayor if I remember correctly Yeah, just a quick clarification. So is there going to be a goal as far as time associated with this because uh, there's been From the vice mayor as early as next meeting, which I don't think any of us thinks it's really possible but then also council member brown saying the last meeting in september and then, uh Council member matthews saying the first meeting in october So it's always what i'm concerned about just keeps getting so if we could get some certainty in there. I'd be happy with the second uh second meeting in september if that Was acceptable to The two motion makers, but I figured I just put that out there as a request not even necessarily as a friendly amendment But I figure I just put it out there. Okay vice mayor coming I'd say on or before the first meeting in october that way there's flexibility if we're able to bring it back sooner We can do that and if it fits within the timeline and the schedule of the other items that we're going to be putting on our agenda Then we can bring it back sooner if not if it needs we need more time to work on this than October and and we can go from there. Thank you All right And council member brown just want to add I didn't veto The addition of council member matthews but um, so if anybody on the I mean if you want to if you want to Self if you want to self-select That's okay, too But I just wanted to make that clear because I think we you know have we can have the conversation with a group of three of us And staff I mean the goal I think is to is to get with staff and try to move things along and and so I'm happy to do that I mean whatever configuration. I just wanted to encourage the community Um to provide us with input I think I've mentioned this a number of times that One of the things that we want is to start working through this reconciliation process And that's going to require folks reaching out to us and providing us with meaningful recommendations um I think that you know, we all want to move forward And we can do so but we need to hear from the people in our community in order to Incorporate the positive changes that they want to see so I'm going to put that out there again for the community And for other members of city council And if there's some issue with brown act, maybe that can go to staff and they can bring it to the subcommittee But I just want to make sure that that is out there Okay, seeing no um further discussion for deliberation on this item. We'll go ahead and call the vote all those in favor Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously and thanks again to staff for their hard work on this item mayor I I do want to express because I didn't personally My appreciation of the staff I particularly appreciated the intention and the spirit Which you approached this you got that message About the division in the community and trying to bring forwards something that responded to the council And it's being further reworked, but I just want to appreciate your effort and your intention Well, thank you very much It really did come from a place of wanting to try to help the community reconcile and move forward So thank you very much. We look forward to working with you guys I'm with all due respect We heard from one part of the community that they were supportive We heard really strongly from the renter part of the community that they weren't supportive So, I mean, I there's something to disconnect here that I'm not really getting People are oppressed. They are desperate. They are tenants And we are doing little up here to address their needs right now. So I I'm just Upset that you would think that we are hearing from everyone and they're gonna sing kumbaya now We need to do something for renters. That's that's what we need to do And this was supposed to be a renter initiated Uh, uh database, so I'll I'll leave it there All right, we'll go ahead and allow um for the chambers to transition as we will return back now to the remaining items from our consent agenda Give me a minute. Thank you Can we just watch a show instead? Yeah, something funny Oh I'm gonna ask those in the chambers if you want you're welcome to continue your conversation outside of chambers And we'll go ahead and transition out Let me just go ahead. Why don't we take it? We'll take a five minute break continue items at this time. Okay. Thank you Thank you By the sixth request Okay, so we're going to go ahead and return to our consent agenda at this point We have still a few remaining items to finalize So we'll go ahead and return. We have items 6 10 17 19 and 20 to revisit For those that are in the audience I will read just let you know that we've already taken public comment on these items. So at this point We won't be having any public comment Um, and um, I believe the remainder of the items if and if I stand corrected, please let me know but our um Pulled from council member Glover. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay, so you can go ahead and uh speak to the items Thank you so much. So, uh starting with number six I imagine this is something we can all get behind it was in the consent agenda Um, and I want to give a shout out It first of all it is the Resolution to endorse the green new deal both in house resolution 109, but also in senate resolution 59 um It was something that I brought forward And got cosponsored by council member brown and vice mayor Cummings and we've been working in communication with Dr. Tiffany wise west of our climate department to be figuring out what would be good also running it by The city attorney's office and other stuff to get feedback with regards to the language and some of the Stuff so it was a great opportunity to Figure out how we can even further Emboldened our climate protection and our climate adaptation and our climate mitigation, but there were just a few changes that Myself and other climate Oriented community members and organizations felt could be strengthened and more inclusive So you'll notice that is uh noted in the red Line, uh, you should have one. Okay. Cool. So I don't know if you don't need to put it up. You don't want to um so anyway, um the changes are as Follows which is basically just adding that it incorporates and includes senate resolution 59 Which also is recognizing the duty of the federal government to create the green new deal Um, it just adds that language uh down towards the bottom But first in that second to last paragraph just making the language a little bit stronger and um making a assertion instead of a guess From could to will Exacerbate by climate change and that's wildfoward wildfires drought and flooding as well as coastal erosion The last paragraph on page one is just the addition of senate resolution 59 Resilience against climate change through investments water management Repairing and now the statement of water management was not to disparage or suggest that we're not doing adequate water management But as something moving forward the emphasis on the need to continue increasing our water management and conservation Also increasing renewable power sources use in manufacturing and that was kind of vague as it just said use in manufacturing of goods and materials eliminating Fossil fuel use so that was not in the staff Provided one so really wanted to make sure that we're working towards the elimination of fossil fuel use Then as we continue down into the resolutions specifically There were a lot of aspects of social justice that were that are in the green new deal language that were kind of left out of this document so Decided to put it back in be it further resolved that with this resolution We recognize the legitimacy and urgency for this new social contract Which upholds the value of workers members of vulnerable communities and their right to equity So be it further resolved local businesses and multinational corporations and Santa Cruz should be held accountable through policy and regulation for the environmental degradation caused by waste and pollution generated through day-to-day business and the products they sell Be it further resolved that as we implement policy moving forward We ensure that future policy will help create high quality union jobs which pay prevailing wages Higher local workers hold training and advancement opportunities and guarantee wage benefit parities for workers affected by transition And this is language from essentially the green new deal be it further resolved that through future policy We should guarantee that these new jobs will have family sustaining wages adequate leave paid vacation and retirement security And then be it further resolved that through policy We will help ensure an environment where all workers have the right to organize unionize and collectively bargain free of coercion Intimidation and harassment now just a reminder that this is a resolution So there is no way legally binding But it is in more of a spirit of wanting to see these changes happen in Santa Cruz and to strengthen our toolbox To be able to address climate change and make sure that the concept of health equity And sustainability are all taken into consideration when we are building our policies So Any I mean I'm happy to Answer any questions or comments that people may have from this otherwise. I can make the motion for us to move forward and past the resolution Well, I have a question my understanding is that Did Tiffany wise west our climate action manager have a chance to look at these modifications? They were modifications that were in there originally and were removed subsequently over time because so specifically for the business lines They didn't want to alienate the business community And so what I'm trying to get at is that we need to have a mental shift in our community One that starts to put the environment first Amongst business interests amongst development amongst transportation so that we can make a serious stance Make take serious steps and have serious accountability to ourselves and to the community around Climate change and the emergency that we face. So she's seen different aspects of the language some of it got taken out But I'm putting it back in Okay, I just want to also just acknowledge that she Was here earlier, but had to leave and so I'm sure she would probably have wanted to speak to this and I know that she was tracking a lot of these details very Purposefully and so just kind of wanting to acknowledge that because I know that she had to leave to get to a conference I believe okay vice mayor Cummings. I know that Tiffany work has been working really hard with us on this and so at first I want to acknowledge her work and I know that she was here earlier and had to leave and I very much and I just saw these corrections earlier today and really would have liked an opportunity To have her way in on this So I would actually like to move that we put this back on the next consent agenda And I think that this is also demonstrating How when we have these really packed agendas That it makes it difficult for us to be able to have staff weigh in when we're going so late into the night And so while I know that there's a lot of stuff we want to get done We're also trying to manage this in a way that we can make sure that staff is here and can weigh in on All the items and we can move forward in a way that's efficient Can um before I go ahead and I'm going to go ahead and ask you again Mr. McHenry to please reframe from interrupting the thing next time since we're starting a new item We'll go ahead and give you a first wording next time. I'm going to go ahead and ask you to leave So, um, I guess one of the things that I could suggest is that we adopt the resolution before us as presented and then provide Further direction for potentially the subcommittee that brought or the council members that brought this forward to work with Tiffany to have further refinement so that we're able to Have something move forward at this time But have an opportunity to hear it again in a different form if that feels appropriate as a potential compromised solution Okay, council member lever council member matthews council member crone council member miers. So I appreciate That suggestion Mayor walk-ins I and just you know, I'm always in this weird spot where I question what the role of staff is because While her Tiffany is amazing. She's a fantastic staff member and it was a pleasure working with her on this but we just diametrically did or were in differing perspectives when it came to the language of Certainty, you know, like if you can see here on the second to last page It said that the Santa Cruz climate Adaptation plan update and local hazard mitigation plan both state and the city is vulnerable to coastal erosion wildfires drought and flooding and her language was which could all be exacerbated by climate change there they're I don't understand where the Disconnect is between whether it will actually be exacerbated by climate change or not because we know that statistically and factually Wildfires coastal erosion droughts and flooding are all exacerbated by climate change So that's an example of some of the language changes, which we spent some time going back and forth on But which I just don't agree with and I don't think are strong enough language to Be making the statements that we are about about climate change, so I would be happy to do that and then ask for her feedback for it to come back at a later Meeting or something like this, but I do also say that the feel that this is an issue with moving things around on the agenda I totally get why you were doing it and but it's just There were people here like there are people here that have been waiting literally all day to hear this this topic And because we moved it because we were making time for something else Because the consent agenda was stacked with issues that in my opinion shouldn't have been on the consent agenda because they required some conversation So anyway, it's just I really appreciate your suggestion Okay, councilmember crown councilmember matthews councilmember mires um, you know, I I've known tiffany for many years. She got she received her phd from the department of environmental studies. You see sanikers And I think she does tremendous work Vice mayor, you received your phd from in up at ucsc2 and evolution college and evolutionary biology As you look at this because we are the decision makers here as we all look at this. What are we taking Issue with I mean, is there something here that you're reading that you don't agree with and that would be something to inform Councilmember glover about what's I'm willing to wait and get tiffany's input, but I'm just thinking, you know What is it that we might the seven council members here disagree with on that that's in red Okay, well, I don't think you have to answer at this time, but we'll go ahead and now I have councilmember matthews mires and if you want to weigh in you're welcome Could I could I weigh in on a housekeeping matter just very briefly? I haven't seen the language that was Circulated I'm just wondering also if there are additional copies available for members of the public who might be interested in looking at the language I I include one for the clerk to put up on the screen Which I thought was Technical difficulties Oh, I can send it to you though councilmember councilor matthews I'm not comfortable with the concept of approving a resolution and thinking will come back when you've adopted the resolution That's what goes out there I would much prefer to have Tiffany since she did have strong feelings about this. I'd like to know what they were I particularly had difficulty with the the final addition in red on the bottom of the second page Further resolve at local businesses and multinational corporations in santa cru should be held accountable through policy and regulation for the environmental degradation caused et cetera et cetera, you know To what extent and I think there's a different way to phrase that It I think shouldn't imply that we're I don't know what it implies. I think you can state that as saying that we Make a priority to work with local businesses to reduce waste and which is just what we're talking about in the All the all the measures we've taken over time with plastic reduction and all that it's it's kind of this but it doesn't have the The heavy hammer and I don't know if that's what bothered her or not, but That's one that Councilmember Myers and then vice mayor Cummings Yeah, I guess I'd I'd kind of reflect on What I you know, I I think of as as about 20 years of really progressive environmental Work so far and I certainly Support the green new deal the concepts of it state of california has been basically doing a green new new deal for about 25 years We've spent almost 300 300 billion dollars over the last 25 years protecting thousands of acres of land restoring thousands of acres of habitat building miles and miles of of Bikeways, I think city of san cruz has been and the community of san cruz has certainly bought into that I know personally of dozens of businesses here locally that participate in Creating jobs around that exact opportunity. So we have green jobs here. We have companies that are supporting green jobs we have nonprofits that are certainly supportive of all the All the intense of the resolution I'd like to see the language on Regarding the local businesses and multinational corporations Let's I'd like to see some some rethought of that Um, I don't know. I think we are up to almost 500 businesses and our green in the Monterey Bay green business Program, I think our businesses are committed. So I'm feeling That some of these changes could be vetted a little bit more and certainly supportive of the intent But again, I uh, I hope that we can also acknowledge the good work that we've done to date And that we don't want to lose sight that we're not a community that is polluting We're a community that created the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary the largest marine protected area in the world 20 years ago and So let's let's uh, let's remember that and keep creating green jobs and caring about the environment move forward Nice mayor Cummings and then council member and then I have a comment and then council member Glover and then council member Brown Yeah, so I made a early made a motion that we um Bring this back of the next city council meeting on the I guess it may be not on the consent agenda since there is discussion about it but I think that it would be really good to have tiffani way and I think that you know as Council member chrome pointed out. I also received my phc at ucsc. I don't have that many problems with this but I also think that um Tiffany brings a lot of professional experience to the city and I would want to Get her since she worked with us closely on this I think that it will be really good to get her professional opinion as to what she she would think would also be appropriate in this Resolution being moved forward. So I'll just want to say that my intentions around this um are really to You know Work with the person who's worked most closely with us and understand, you know, if there are concerns Where that concerns coming from so that we can make sure that this is um a strong deal I'll second the motion and I will just suggest that if it's not prepared in the way that feels like it's complete By the next meeting that we be flexible with that because I think we want to get it, right? I'll just speak to the um kind of the topic that was addressed in terms of some of the language around Accountability, I want to remind the council that We along with a number of other jurisdictions throughout our nation and state are In the process of looking at holding our fossil fuel industry accountable for their impact and influence in what they've known for decades in terms of how their Their product essentially is destroying our environment and have intentionally deceived our populations in How to move forward with that and are now at this time seeking immunity at the Federal level so I think if we want to get that right that's how we want to probably frame something like that Because I think that's something that's very much so in line with previous council action and the position of the city And frankly was something that I was able to advocate for at a national level um So that said I'll go ahead and support the motion. Um, if there's further conversation council member glover brown and then crone Yeah, absolutely, so The statement we should acknowledge the work that has been done and we have over 500 green businesses I would totally agree with that, but I don't understand the danger concern Caution hesitation to make sure that the businesses outside of those 500 Make a get a message from us that they need to be held accountable for what they're doing It's that same argument of the landlords. Oh, there's 10 great landlords in this room right now that means that all landlords must be great It's just it doesn't correlate logically to what we're trying to accomplish if you care I mean if the environment is The number one issue right which a lot of scientists and people and activists say that it is the number one issue Because everything else correlates to the environment. Then why are we holding back or being tepid or offering milk toast resolutions that aren't going to make a difference? um The uncomfortable with the business section. Okay, I can appreciate and respect that you're uncomfortable with the business section but what part Why are you uncomfortable with the business section? Is it just because you don't want to call out business or what is it because Those vague general statements don't help in crafting or changing the language They don't help in providing context and they don't help in protecting the environment If you're just going to remove the accountability of businesses and multi especially multinational corporations. I don't even know why I don't understand why we would be protecting multinational corporations and Santa Cruz that are providing waste and stuff Also, if you want to know what tiff again, tiffani is great I think she's fantastic. It was great to work with her But if you want to know what she thought was appropriate language, just look at the document without the red lines And then look at the red lines that are added to the document and what they add social justice equity rights for workers unions paying jobs like All of these things that we as a city I would imagine should resolve every day that we want to have in our city and for us to be striving towards on a policy level But for some reason we're getting pushback about equity justice representation and unions It I don't understand if someone could explain to me what you're talking about or why this is problematic for you Then I would I think I would really appreciate it I think people in the crowd would appreciate it because It it I I'm finding it hard and this this is a problem. I constantly have with this body You say you care about renters. You don't do anything to protect renters You say you care about the environment, but here is the most Basic of resolutions that just say people should be held accountable and that we should support our workers And yet we want to postpone it so that a staff member who has already weakened it tremendously from its original purposes Is going to do it again like I don't understand what you hope to gain from additional conversation with the same staff member That already gave their feedback So anyway, uh, there's a motion on the floor, uh, which is to what again? Okay, we'll we'll have uh, the vice mayor restate the motion or I can attempt to do it Essentially what this would be would be oh, please the motion is to have this come back at the next meeting so Tiffany can weigh in on the Comments that have been provided So I just want to clarify because of a decision by the chair of the meeting to push this until 10 o'clock at night when staff There's no way staff could be here Now we want to push it out another two weeks because the staff isn't here because of the way that the meeting was run I'll just speak to that a little bit. I think that as you know, there's a lot of items that come before our council There's a lot of interest of things that we want to get done And there's a lot of community input that we'd like to hear and in order for me to do the best I can at balancing that And allowing for us to have adequate discussion around big items such as us talking about our council work plan for the next few months I as mayor and anybody who is in this position After me and has been in this position before me is required to do the best I can at managing the meetings in a way that's Allowing us to get city business done I do request that As city manager martin brunel mentioned earlier that if there's any questions or Any types of items that you'd like to either make comments on or get answered in advance To please do so especially in relation to the items that are on consent agendas And that for those that we do want to pull for further discussion We do so but recognizing that we try to cup or even in actually even logging in A statement of dissent or a statement of concern is completely appropriate, but for the purposes of being able to have Our city government function in a way that allows us for adequate time It's really truly my responsibility and I and it's not anything personal or any type of manipulative Approach it's truly it's trying to manage the meeting I do I do regret that unfortunately it is now 10 p.m. At night Tiffany is unable to be here. I ideally would not have had it go that way and felt really It was important for us to also allow adequate time for some of our general business items as well as some of the other large items before us So i'll just sort of speak to that in general But here we are and I think that there are areas where we would like some clarification is sort of the sentiment I'm getting from the council in terms of some of these additions And we are lucky as a city to have a climate mitigation and adaptation manager and I feel it would be appropriate to have her her eyes on this personally Um, so that being said how to move this forward at this time. There's a motion. There's a second Further discussion Sorry, I'd like to make an alternate motion or a substitute motion Before you do I want to just make sure I acknowledge any other pending comments If that was I believe councilor crone had a comment I just wanted to see the attorney if he saw any red flags in the red letters on the Alternate version Uh, with the time that I've had to look at them. Nothing jumped out at me from a purely from a legal perspective I I don't sense that that's the Really the tenor of the discussion that the council's having right now, but from a legal perspective I didn't I didn't see anything that I thought was problematic And I would just like to urge my fellow council member I would like to see unanimity on this on this issue here because I think that we can get there and If it takes having to come back and and maybe asking tiff any a few questions at the at the podium and as an agenda item I would really appreciate getting us all on the same page Okay, well then I will not make my substitute motion Um I find it hard on this body to believe that there are I mean something as simple as this I would imagine we should have in my opinion should have been able to all get on the same page, but we have differing Priorities it sounds like so some of us care about the business community others of us care about the environment Others of us don't think it's that big of a deal at all because it's already the work that's been done I mean, these are just the statements that I've personally heard up here during this conversation. So We I'm not sure what that looks like and But I will uh move forward so we can move Okay, so council member mires, and then maybe we'll take the vote. I'm just gonna I just might respond You know much of this language is Right now when I read some of your of the language that has been put back in which was it in my packet And which I just received as as the item was basically started um We have high quality union jobs. We pay prevailing wages If you would like to look in the records, you will see that any Project that we build that has anything to do with infrastructure Climate change the kinds of things we're preparing for We pay prevailing wages on our contracts We do the best that we can to hire local companies and local workers So when I go through these these this language what I'm looking at this as as a city council person is What is it that I'm trying to pass for my community that actually Um provides a map for people to either improve Or to understand the urgency of an issue And so when I see the language in here Which is written by a congress You know congresswoman and congress you know congressmen and senators in other other states And other communities maybe that language makes sense in a federal resolution or in a federal intent But I think a lot of what you want is is actually being done. And so You know, I I think that's my reservation is that number one I didn't see the language until we sat down And number two Reach out to some of the people that do this work find out what's happening talk to the companies Don't assume that people aren't doing the kinds of things that are in the resolution And if we can let's make the resolution And acknowledgement of the progress we've made so far and the work to be done But let's not be punitive about it councilmember brown Yeah, um really briefly I um I totally agree with everything that is in this resolution and in the Proposed changes I will support the Motion to bring this back For a couple of reasons one. I agree. I think it is important to see if we can get to Unanimity on this kind of a resolution it is as councilmember Glover suggests non-binding. It doesn't mean that we don't we It can't be improved. Secondly, I Out of respect for dr. Wise west who did put Some effort into this who did contact the signers the co-signers And when she asked about having some additional conversations to Um make uh, you know to do some revisions and then bring that to us. I agreed. I said, yeah, that's okay Go ahead and do that and this is the what we got as a result. Um, I feel Like it's my responsibility As as an individual councilmember and I'd like to see us just agree to go back and have that conversation with her and see What we can do um because I am I totally agree that all of these things are important and I also want to comment on the um, You know, um councilmember Myers has mentioned a lot of the progress and that we do have green industry and we do have green businesses and we also have a community that has um You know some pretty low wages and that's not to indict the you know green businesses or green industry that that's just to say That's a fact of what is going on in our community. So making a statement about um living wage jobs As part of this as has happened in the federal resolution or the federal legislation I don't think is a bad idea. I just would like to spend a little more time figuring it out and I think that if we do that I'm absolutely on board So that's Okay, that wasn't as brief as I thought it would be sorry Okay, councilmember clever and then councilmember matthewson. Hopefully we can move the item. Thank you We're already doing this gets back to just what we just said. Um, it basically we're already doing it. Um The language which was just pointed out by my colleague to my left Is that We're already doing the the union jobs. We're already doing Prevaling wages the language says be it further resolved that as we implement policy moving forward We ensure that future policy will help create high quality union jobs Which pay prevailing wages hire local workers hold training advancement opportunities and guarantees wage benefit parity for workers affected by transition So no matter what we're doing right now Whatever we implement in the future Needs to be guided by the guidelines of creating these things into a reality of those new industries that we're going to see in Santa Cruz It's not just a guess all that we're going to get it And then secondly to say that we already have these union things We had a union worker stand up here and say that she was forcefully removed from her house because of rent increases And now lives outside of the city because she can't afford it while they're saying that their Negotiation process has been lacking so that the huge population of their members have refused our proposal Which means that we are not in that second line on the back Which we're already apparently doing is having jobs that will have family sustaining wages Because right now we do not have jobs that have family sustaining wages for our employees. So it's it's really disconcerting how Freak feverently will argue about how much we're already doing when our city is suffering in so many different ways So I look forward to the vote and bringing it back next time so that we can get Unanimity on it, but it's just the the process is really disheartening Okay, well in the spirit of unanimity, we'll go ahead and take the vote all those in favor. Please say I am Any opposed Can I say something just really quickly that passes unanimously can't to the point of process again I just want to emphasize what's really helpful is to get Advanced notice of questions and issues particularly for the staff because again Even if tiffani had been here without advanced notice that just puts in a very awkward position You know, this is not about tiffani And I think it just makes it very hard for staff to come here and to be here when you know, we're not able to Prepare and get notice. It's just simply not fair. So I would really ask the council to please do that And I think it's also not efficient. So We'll go ahead and note that may just get clarification. So we have councilmember glover made a motion, right? I think it may be the original one to adopt this I was going to get a second. Yeah, I didn't make the motion. Yeah, so there he passed out the document We reviewed it councilmember. I mean vice mayor Cummings made the motion. I seconded it all those in favor were unanimous Okay, so very quick question. If I have a Suggestion or a comment on language Just brown act stuff. I would send it to tiffani Yep I would send it to tiffani because I had one too. Yeah, okay So we'll have us then return. So we have item 10 17 19 and 20. We have uh, mr. Dettel here Thank you. Good evening. Good evening Good evening Are you answering any questions that you have on item 10? Yeah, I'll make it quick and we can do two at the same time item 20 and item 10 ironically 10 in part So my they're both on acquisition of caterpillar pro Tractors or excavators or all kinds of other kinds of stuff. So just some quick questions. Why are we going through caterpillar? um What the landfill typically all our equipment is caterpillar Our mechanics are trained on caterpillar parts spare parts are caterpillar They they provide an effective piece of equipment for the type of use if you look we're replacing a 18 year old caterpillar piece of equipment that's been rebuilt a couple of times Has a tier zero emission We're going to a tier four which is a higher quality and reduces our Knocks by 80 percent. So that's what the effort is. Okay. That is great. Thank you It was it was interesting just because they're fossil fuel and vehicles And I know right now we're in the process of transitioning and the difficulty of available vehicles and we talked about before So thank you for your consciousness around that and making the intentional push in your department to transition away from fossil fuels I will say though that it is problematic for me with us to be using caterpillar for variety of reasons one The cease and desist letter that was given to local business for the use of the word cat in their title That that's problematic for them attacking local businesses but just as a Disturbing is their participation or their equipment being used to destroy thousands of homes in palestine I'm not sure if you're aware of that but caterpillar and their armored vehicles tearing down palestinian homes to make room for israeli settlements So that is um a problem also the the warranty thing with with farmers That live in middle america that can't work on their own tractors because of the warranty that will get voided by caterpillar So they're forced to use really expensive repairs So there's problematic stuff there and then of course the fossil fuels So just want to put it on the record that I think that if ever possible We should transition away from caterpillar until they change their business practices But I do appreciate parks or assuming public works and your intention to transition away from fossil fuels So with that I would make the motion to Uh move on the recommendations for item 10 and 20 A motion by council member Gleaver seconded by council member crown for the discussion Seeing none all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. We'll go ahead and move those We'll um now move on to item number 17 and 19 are the only two remaining. Absolutely. Thank you very much mayor So number 17 is another example of things that I don't believe are appropriate to have on the consent agenda because they are so amazingly controversial and Directly impact the poor I one of the questions I would ask is why was it put on the consent agenda? And after I was talking I understand that there may have been an associated timeline with it being a bill in the process of a bill we remember that schoolhouse rock cartoon, but The issue you know speaking to some catch representatives is that they were bummed that they weren't even informed about this Had a time and I know earlier in the meeting we said that we don't some of us don't want the catch to be the catch-all But this directly has to do with poverty and people experiencing homelessness Also, I don't understand why we would endorse this bill before we understand in detail the situation of our citation data Unfortunately today, I really appreciate the city attorney putting together the information with the different staff members of the city But we received maybe an eight minute overview this morning in closed session about the impacts of our citation rules and Whether they may or may not Do anything with regards to staff member I just want to remind the council member of the confidentiality of closed session discussions Yeah, it wasn't on the wasn't it on the agenda closed session agenda, right? No, but wasn't it on the agenda about the the data? No It was a closed session discussion We couldn't talk okay. Well We we So without looking at any data with regards to Citations which was requested and has not really been reviewed by the council in full yet. Unfortunately How can we move forward on the criminalization of people in their? Their vehicles, which is really problematic for me So it's also the bill is sponsored by the aclu of california The lawyers committee for civil rights of the san francisco bay area the western center on Poverty and law i brought y'all some some fact sheets if you'd like them just with regards to The situation of the bill as well as the letter that was written and distributed by the aclu to santa Cruz I believe in opposition of the the bill So, uh, also the data that's cited in the letter is a little um concerning And what was brought up earlier day in public comment with the impact that it has on municipalities and also The cost associated with it. So in a report called toad into debt how towing practices in california punished the poor There is a a quote that cities are losing money on toes Especially when the reason for the toe is someone's inability to pay government fines and fees Toad vehicles sold at lean sale in san diego generally accrued three thousand dollars in fees and fine But the average sale price of the vehicles is about five hundred and sixty five dollars Resulting in the public paying more Also in that report they go through heavy data that points out that poverty toes disproportionately lead to lean sales Losing a vehicle can limit housing opportunities impact on individuals living in their vehicles are is greater Um and the poverty toes disproportionately impact housed unhoused people Immigrants and people of color. So, um I would uh make the motion that we not follow the recommendation and not send a letter opposing ab 516 and if it's an issue of homelessness that we want to deal with then it should be an issue of homelessness that we're talking about Not towing cars Second, okay, so there's a motion by councilmember glover seconded by vice mayor Cummings Mr. Dettel, did you want to I was just going to say that this isn't a homeless issue from our perspective It's a a parking citation Enforcement tool that we use and we typically don't toe. We'd use our booting system Which immobilized the vehicle and then the person can come to the parking office and And either is offered a payment plan if they can't afford to pay the citations But we we actually been doing this booting for about 15 years to eliminate the number of toes that we do It's been very effective And we see this as a tool to to um implement our our parking park, you know program So it's a concern when a park a car is Is either abandoned or are parked in a neighborhood and there's a permit program or something like that We get a lot of calls if we don't have the tools to deal with it. So It's that's how we see this as a it's a tool for enforcement Councilmember matthews and then I have a quick question Uh, I'm going to be voting against the motion I want to point out that the recommendation is a letter of opposition unless amended And I think it's uh, and that's the position taken by the league of california cities It acknowledges there are a lot of social equity Implications in the abuse of towing and so forth. Um, I don't believe that we're doing that here. I think Also, there are in many other communities and there's a legislative option to Implement alternatives to more expensive fines and so forth. Um, but I know in my own neighborhood Many years ago. We had a real problem with people abandoning cars And there they were and that's one of the And they weren't that people were living in and they were just plain abandoned They ran out of juice and people left them there And so I think um, there are other instances that are mentioned in the staff report where there are vehicles untagged, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera are either pollution problem or identified with a law enforcement problem and To my mind the bill as written removes an important enforcement tool so I I would support the language As of the resolution to oppose unless amended and I I believe and hope that in sacramento, they're working on Some amendments that respond to the concerns of cities I I agree. I think it's we don't want to lose our local discretion And I also acknowledge what I think has been brought up is that this has been misused in communities as a way to penalize those who are Homeless or have no means to get their car out and which is Troubling and horrifying to think that we're only going to further kind of build Dig them into a whole of homelessness. So I'm wondering in terms of us I mean, maybe this would be at a future conversation or not, you know, but You know, how we're supporting those individuals, whether it be a by play bit plan or if the heap funding has some discretion in regards to individuals who want to make a case that You know, they need support for any type of towing or cost associated with it, but I think the The challenge here is that we don't want to lose our local discretion on a tool that we can use appropriately And we want to acknowledge the fact that this is a tool that's not being used necessarily appropriately in some communities and can further kind of you know propel a person into poverty and And we can look at our own practices in that way, but supporting that The motion as suggested with the amended language. I think will help kind of clarify that But also give us an opportunity potentially at some point to look At our own policies or our own resources to ensure that we're not Contributing to that in that way. So that would just be my sort of sentiment on this time Councilmember Glover and then councilmember brown. Thank you So I do want to point out on the sheet that I handed out there down at the bottom It does provide some support with regards to a b516 leaves intact over two dozen existing Authorizations for towing so it doesn't completely tie the hands of people in our organizations or departments from towing I think that we need to emphasize that also The league of cities While we are a member has been increasingly and unfortunately more and more conservative leaning in their bill Endorsements as well as being invested in the private prison system of california. So when looking to Signals of which way to go the league of cities is not necessarily my first choice of deciding where to put my votes Also, I would say that that I would You know, I would assert that from my conversations of people that are advocates for people experiencing homelessness and people that are currently experiencing homelessness I would say it's a stretch to say that we Don't Disproportionately target people from their own experiences that they report to me about Their feelings of being harassed and ticketed multiple times and having neighbors calling them all the time and then having their cars towed or the Citations mounting up so they can't renew their registration and then therefore lose their housing because of their car So we are a great city and we have a lot of great stuff going on. But I do fear that our parking enforcement Is problematic councilmember brown Yeah, um Well, I'm I'm just going to say I think it's unfortunate that this was brought to us With a request to oppose it. Um, I've been following this piece of legislation I oppose it personally. I can't I cannot I mean I support it personally. I oppose the sorry I oppose Opposing it. Um, I support the legislation Particularly as it's been amended and you know thoughtfully moved through the legislature I Given the the advocates and you know the supporters the organizations. I mean these are organizations some of them I've worked with and for In over the years That I absolutely trust their their advocacy Include the aclu western center on law and poverty equal rights advocates other I could go on but I won't It's unfortunate. They came to us. I mean I I I support it and but I wasn't going to bring a proposal to the council to Ask for council support because for one, I don't know. I think it's of limited value Our state, you know, somebody came and spoke earlier today saying that Our assembly member already kind of has taken a position on it. So But here we are so I'm going to support the motion I could not oppose this piece of legislation. Um, and I don't think we ought to as a body I'm just going to comment. I want to make so I want to feel like, you know, I think aggressive Santa Cruz would would support this and I mean again reiterating what Councilmember Brown said and I'll say it for the record because I wanted to be really clear that courage campaign Right advocates American civil liberties union of california the national lawyers guild the san francisco public defender's office and the public law center all Organizations i'm fairly familiar with so and they all Support this legislation. They haven't withdrawn their legislation and it's not pending amendments to the to the bill Can I just add one more thing really quickly? Um, I think we also heard Earlier today and I you know, I I trust that it was genuine That the county sheriff has said this is not a tool to achieve removal of abandoned vehicles, so I just wanted to add that in there in terms of how that affected my thinking It just kind of solidified my my view For the record Okay, unless there's any further discussion Um, I think we have a motion um and a second. I guess just for the record. I um support the Recommendation which is to have opposition unless amended and that this is not about Disproportionately further penalizing those who may be in unfortunate circumstances, but about ensuring that we are thoughtful about our tools um for enforcing other types of behaviors, so just sort of for the record. I want that to be clarified And uh, and we'll go ahead and take the vote at this point So all those in favor of the motion on the floor, please say aye. Aye opposed. No Okay, that passes with councilmember brown, vice mayor Cummings crone and Glover in support Matthews meyers and myself voting against Okay, so we have one last item item number 19 on the agenda Yeah, just for the in the interest of time. I was going to say I love bike safety and I make the motion to move the item Okay, any further discussion all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay, that passes unanimously So we'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting and um There we go. Good job everyone