 Oh, you're all traded. Are you ready, John? I'm ready. So it's 6-0-1. We'll call this meeting to order. I am filling in for Chair Dave Matysko tonight, who is in his post. Any changes to the agenda? Number one is audience for visitors. We have none, so I'll skip that. Item two is changes to the agenda, which I apparently did first. Three regular minutes of the April 4th meeting. Did we just get it? Comprehensive plan review updates. We did get a whole new draft, which is the tracking changes marked up, alleged final. And we also just were handed, this appears to be a summary of everything that's happened and that we've met all of our obligations. And so now it's kind of, why don't you walk us through this, Melanie? And then if there's anything else in the, I'm not looking for typos at this point, but. OK, so how are we going to deal with this? Because there's quite a few. Things like, there are some typos. Yes, you've corrected most of them. I'd like to know what TOO is, because I thought it was TOD. And it's probably TOD. Was it in the land use section? It showed up as TOO. I think when it got transferred over, it is supposed to be TOD, though. TOD, OK. It is all, all, it's there. Yeah. It needs to be corrected. It needs to be searched, right? Yeah. It is. It's like 1.0. And what's C-O-C-W-O? Isn't this supposed to be C-W-D? It's supposed to be C-W-O. So there should be Ds or O's. So in the water district, and I went, C-O-O. That's an odd. C-W-O, OK. OK, you should be C-W-D, because it's the water district. Yeah. And then the C-W-D? Yeah. OK. So there's. So it's D for O. Yes. Just do. Just change everywhere. Yeah. Just change everywhere. I'm at the time to find it. It's fine. It's fine. OK. So anyway, let's figure out what our plan of attack is for the night, because there are possibly review comments, like typos. But if there are also other substantive things that we think should be in there or should not be in there, we've received a number of emails over the course of our review. We just got some new information from the school district. I don't know. When I printed mine out, for whatever reason, there was over 200 pages long, which just seems outrageous to me, but it has all the old stuff in it as well. So hopefully it boils down a bit when, you know, how long is the final batch? It's 200 and as well as the max. Before the energy section, it doesn't I've been developed for the main document, are not incorporated into this graph yet. So it's long. It's going to be probably 200 and. This is 120 pages. I love our new cover, but they managed to get all, this is the town, all of the required information into 118 pages and with substantial graphics. And I'm looking still at 200 and some pages and it's done. I'm just. So it has to get small. There's all this stuff disappear. Right. So it will reduce the number of pages. It's not going to be like the town of Essex's plan. This is intended to be an update and bringing the plan into full compliance with some of the state requirements. They didn't have to really do some of that because they're a cycle behind us. And they also have a longer process. We started this process in February. So and it takes a lot of time. It takes time to take stuff out. It does. Yeah. OK. I'm just checking because I still, you know, this one a regional award and I'm thinking we had sort of two directions. Your one was we have to do it, but we have to do it possibly again soon when we do it with the town. So the goal was not to do a total rewrite. And we didn't do a total rewrite. Which is fine. So what you're telling me is this is the essentially the minor rewrite with all the required new information and energy plans and things that we had to have. This is basically going to be a short lift plan. The idea is, as you said, just to get us over the hurdles requirements, if you want to call them that, the state and even to satisfy the regional pilot mission. So that in a two or three or four year style, we can merge the documents together. So and so that that's fabulous. So I would I'm proposing and you can chime in, but I'm proposing that Melanie walk us through the peers where we think we are with the entire document. We think we've met all of the obligations and we put all the things in that we're supposed to put in. And then we can comment on how complete we think we are. Okay. And I don't, we need a process to go through all the typos and I think that's we tell them. Choosing which numeric alphas that we're going to use either Roman or Arabic. It's like type setting. We're the brainchild of the thing here. We're not going to spend all night trying to find the, but we need to make sure they get taken care. Yes, we do. All right. So Melanie, will you walk us through the? Yeah, I just have one thing to say in response to your desire to have a more succinct visual plan. The way we will deal with that is by doing a one to two page executive summary, which summarizes the policies and some of the data in this plan. And that will be provided to the planning commission for review at the May 23rd planning commission meeting. I will submit it as a comment for the planning commission to review. Okay. So. So that'll go in the front of this as the executive summary and then all the rest of the normal stuff that goes in here. Yeah, you know, that remains to be seen if it's going to be part of this, the plan or just a standalone document that gives kind of the highlight points. Could be a handout when people can just give us this that essence. Okay, so what I just provided to you in this evening is there's three pieces in here. The first piece is a memo to the adjacent communities, the regional planning commission and the department of housing and community development. These are the parties that need to be notified when you're doing a town plan amendment. So the first page of this document is a cover memo. Alluding people to the fact that the comprehensive plan is being updated and that if you choose to warn the hearing, it will be on May 23rd. The next page of this packet is information that is needed to show that the plan is being warned. So this is basically the public hearing contents. So when the village warns the public hearing in a newspaper and in two other places in the village, this is the content that's going to be provided as part of that public hearing notice. So it includes a statement of purpose. So it talks about the comprehensive plan being an official document and it guides decision-making and public and private investment in the village. There's a section that talks about the enhanced energy plan and the purpose of that, being substantial deference and advancing the state energy goals. The public hearing notice talks about the geographies affected by this plan amendment, which is the village. And then it talks about which sections were affected. So it's a comprehensive update of all of the plan, all content data maps were refreshed with current information and that the energy section in the comprehensive plan is replaced by the draft enhanced energy plan. I do still need to add the table of contents. I will do that in the next, I will do that over the weekend when all the changes are accepted and I can refresh everything and let the table of contents is more current. The final part of this packet is the planning commission report. This planning commission report is needed by statute. The planning commission has to warn it or the planning commission needs to approve it and it is part of the warning package for the public hearing. So this needs to be included in the materials that get shared with the adjacent communities, CCRPC, DHCD, 30 days prior to May 23rd is when the hearing is being proposed for. The document talks about it being consistent with state statute, you know, which gives the municipality the authority to plan and develop a town plan and amend a town plan. So I have gone through all the requirements of statute and determined that the proposed town plan as it's written meets the town plan required elements. Another staff person in my office has also read it and has come to the same conclusion. So I don't, I mean, do you want me to go line by line explaining this? Do you want to take a few minutes to read it? I understand you're just seeing it. Are you expecting that we actually approve this tonight or something? Do we have to accept all the changes in which case you're going to give us more than two minutes to read it? I will, yes. You have five. Yeah. That's one for longer than five. I mean, so maybe we want to hold on to this and go through the changes in the plan first or the changes that I highlighted in the email memo. Cause when I leave here tonight, I'm gonna, maybe not tonight, but in the next few days, accept all the changes. And so then what gets warned is a clean proposed copy. And I realized that I'm just giving this to you today. And so I'm not sure if you can approve it, contingent upon everybody reviewing it. I mean, there weren't any red flags. You know, the plan is consistent with statute. So are we gonna be looking for typos or are we gonna be looking for substance? I think we're still talking about this particular. I'm looking for substance. Others are looking for typos and together we'll be comprehensive. So on the new thing that we are being asked to sort of authorize it feels like, you know, I like to read things before I. Well, would you be comfortable in saying that you could approve it subject to reading it? That's what you wanna do, right? I know what, explain the schedule again. Why are we getting something tonight that we have? I mean, I get it, but are we off schedule if we don't basically say yes, we're fine, accept all the changes and what you've written is wonderful? No, so it needs to be approved by Monday. We have to approve it in a public meeting though. So we can't, it's not like we can adjourn. So I think what I'm hearing is we could come up with some creative language that says we're approving it conditionally subject to any comments that are received by Monday or something like that. Comments or changes received by Monday? And it's not the edits to the plan, it's a summary of the changes and. And I'm not assuming we're gonna object to anything. It just like procedurally seems like. Yes, I understand. Okay, so let's go through the changes and we've been through them once already, is that correct or there are some new ones in here? We have been through most of them, so let me give you an overview. So all data has been updated except for table 11, which table 11 is the average annual daily traffic. Through five corners, it's in the transportation section that will be updated for the public hearing draft. All the references and narratives have been included for a number of studies that we're referencing. So five corners, the bike pedestrian plan, the Green Streets guide, forest integrity requirements, the river corridor requirements. I've incorporated recommendations from the draft parking study and the tactical basin plans. The education section's been updated to reflect the Essex-Westford School District and we've also received some additional information from the school district. Right. That I will include in this, in the next version. I sent you the information plus the new chart that Ben just sent. Yes, I have that. So that will be in the public hearing draft. The energy plan has been drafted. We had a lengthy discussion about the plan last meeting. Any comments that we decided on at that meeting have been included. I've added a discussion about Accelerate Essex, the incubator space in the village that you hadn't reviewed yet at a meeting. I added a note to or a paragraph that talks about tourism as being part of economic development in the village. That's a new addition. The land use section was updated to reference the neighborhood development area designation. I also added additional language related to historic preservation in the village center to bring balance between historic preservation and economic vitality. So that's in the land use section. Lastly down the line. Thank you. I added a public health discussion in open space parks. And the reason for that was because it connects back to heart and soul, heart and soul value of health and recreation and also to align with our EcoS Plan strategy on health which talks about physical activity and substance use prevention. We also, the Regional Planning Commission works very closely with Essex Chips on a prevention grant. And some municipalities are starting to think about healthy community design in their plans. Winooski just did this when their master plan was approved in March last month. So that's proposed language that you hadn't seen before. I made policy content changes based on the hard copy comments that I've gotten from Planning Commission members. I haven't been able to incorporate kind of all the wordsmithing changes, not grammar, but just how to say things differently. And the reason for that is it's a very compressed time. Again, we started this in February. So I went through those comments and went and looked for policy related changes. I haven't incorporated the changes in description. To be completely honest with you, I don't know that I'm going to have a chance to do this before we turn this around for the public hearing. I mean, as it is, it's Thursday, we need to warn this on Monday or Tuesday. I am working on the weekend. So just letting you know that that's a concern of mine. And then so the things that are still outstanding, it would be helpful to just take a look as a group at the housing and land use objectives to make sure that they're still relevant and there aren't any changes there. And any changes that we talk about tonight, I can include in the public hearing draft. I think the other data point that I don't think I'm gonna have a chance to update, and this doesn't put the plan in jeopardy of being inconsistent with anything. It's just the data on the after school and camp enrollment, I wasn't able to update that information. So I can just source that it's... That's the kind of thing I'm wondering of why it's even in there. Yeah. You know, there were a number of things that just seem like, you know, okay, well, we have all this great data, but does it, is it in a municipal comprehensive plan? I think goals for housing and things like that, that's a great bunch of tables and statistics to have in there, but... The information about childcare capacity needs to be in here, that's a requirement. Yeah. After the data on after school and camp enrollment, not necessarily, I think just a discussion saying that after school and camp, I mean, it's a form of childcare needs to be in here, but I can probably take out the data because enrollment changes. Yeah, it's a provision for utilities, facilities. That's worth it. We have to state that those things are available. Yeah. Or talk about the possible availability. So are you prepared to take a look at the housing and land use objectives? Yeah. So we're going to take these four. Okay, I don't know. Mine's page 95. The objectives. Just the objectives. The housing goals. What did you say, 95? 95. So does anybody have any comments on whether the objectives are still relevant? Have any of these been accomplished? For objective 1.7, okay, it's one semantics. It's one semantics. It's when it says compile rental registry and rental inspection program, if funding is available. I'm not finding funding, okay? It's more proactive. I think it's more in tune with what we've heard so far from some members of the public that have actually shown up. And I think that's a coming wave of things. So I'd rather say find funding to compile this registry. If it's front-loading it versus in the back. Does that make sense? I have just a comment on 1.2. It says study the feasibility of adopting and enforcing uniformed building and fire codes for housing. There are already uniformed building and fire codes for housing. So it should read like number 1.3. Promote adherence to the uniformed building and fire codes for housing. And if you have any issues that we might wanna work on that's enforcing that, which we've been notably struggling to enforce things in housing, mostly existing housing, because unless there's a building project there, nobody has a reason to go in. So somewhere in there, but I think we just, we don't wanna sound like there isn't one. There definitely is one, it's a state one and we follow it. Has objective 1.6 been achieved? No, I didn't have to, no. Okay, yep, okay. So those look okay to you? Yeah. Okay. And then land use is on page, sounds good to me. I should have marked this, I apologize. Okay, yes, 121. So specifically objective 6.1, has the LDC been revised to include any overlay districts and design review? And what about 6.2? Not yet. Okay. I will say our neighbors out in the town have done a really good job of providing this little visual. They're getting there. They're getting there. Their new UTC is really coming along. 6.2 so engage the public in development of these visuals. The Design Five Quarters has some of that and we did engage the public, so we could soften that statement a little bit to say something like continue or whatever. I haven't explored it yet. 6.3, do we want to say encourage, or promote the use of, we are promoting the use of it, so. Maybe that's okay. We'll continue to promote the use of it. Yeah. So we don't have the neighborhood development area yet? We do, we got it three years ago. Yeah. It's down the, it's, it's, it's exact overlay off the place center district. Didn't make sense to only give benefits to people renovating existing buildings but not open land here for new buildings that we should give them benefits to. So is there any sense that we would use a word like expand opportunities or do we? But it's a fixed area. That sounds like many, enlarge the area, it's a fixed area. Okay. I don't know. I just think, you know, it's promote stronger because I push it pretty hard. Yeah. I'm just thinking if you're outside the village center district but you're still in one of these neighborhoods that's kind of nearby or you're, you're not, you get nothing. What about advance the village center designation and neighborhood development area benefits? We're good to say continue to promote. I like continue to promote. Okay. So what was the change in 6.2 regarding engage the public? Since that was already complete in design five corners, what were you thinking there? Continue to. Continue to. Continue to? Okay. I do. There's nothing. And the insight. I wouldn't say these visuals because it ties back to the first sentence and we aren't really trying to do that. We're trying to broaden that. So just take out these? Just take out these. Continue to engage the public in development and visuals to gain consensus on science. Okay. All right. Any other comments related to the land use goals? Let's look on page 123. Consider design review criteria for main corridors upon approach to the village center. Has that occurred? No. No. It should then. Didn't we do a study of gateways or something at one? That was quite some time as well. I was seven months, maybe 15 years ago. Still in the basement still. I got it. Although some of the comments I've heard people who probably enjoy having that discussion about the design review corridors. Yeah. One resume keeps pointing out the fact that there are multi-filling houses on every single gateway that we have. That's good because there are also main transportation rooms. Yeah. I understand that. But more education to the general public would be good. As in there, seeing that is a bad thing. Some of them see that as a bad thing. Unless they look there. Well, that's an interesting comment though, because if you extended design review to those corridors you would have more control over the appearance of those buildings. Well, it's the cookie cutter effect, I think. I think that's a good thing to add. So can we essentially push to do that? Consider extending design review to major village entry? Or I could say, install design review criteria in the land development code four. Insert design review criteria in the land development code four. And then card or as a par approach. So not consider anymore. We're saying that we want to know. It's important. Yeah, there you go. The Georgia, the Victorian cities, they all. Yeah. The Minneapolis Center, all got special treatment. Are there any parameters of state-wide, you know, statutory that we can have design review everywhere? I'm not saying. Just asking the question. But maybe we did. State about it. I don't know if we're going to come to that. So we're taking it to the developer. OK. OK. One thing that hasn't been reviewed at all is the implementation schedule. So it's probably 152. It's at the end of the plan. So my intention with that is any modifications that we have done to the goals or objectives, I will just make sure are reflected in this implementation schedule. And I won't make any changes to the department timeline or funding. And if there are new objectives, I'll propose how to fill those in. And I will do that for the public hearing draft. And so go ahead. According to the ECOS, should it also have a category for the energy plan? Yeah, that's a good thought. I could include the energy objectives in the enhanced energy plan in place of the objectives under the energy section. Because that energy section has kind of gone away. Right. It's in you. So I will make those changes for the public hearing draft. And I mean, as we continue the public process, we can make modifications if needed. In my copy of the implementation chart, there's still a lot of references to the farmers market. OK, we'll make sure that's gone. Goal. And it still has a heading that says Essex Conplan 2014. OK. Right. It says it's tables of 16 by references implementation schedule 14. But isn't this the implementation schedule? So what the bottom it says, look at table 14. So it's kind of. Yeah, like I said, this part of the document hasn't been reviewed at all. So with the joint effort with the town merge plan, the plan of public works and that sort of thing, does that make any difference as to what's merged or who's going to do it? In other words, finance has moved to the town. But that's a five-year agreement, right? Have they gotten a little five-year agreement? I think they have a five-year agreement in two years or up. So there's three left. OK. OK. I'll do my best to reflect what the current structure is. So you're referring to the services that have been consolidated for both the junction and the town. OK. I'll do my best to try and identify what those are and make the changes accordingly. I'm not sure if it's really the effect that who's responsible. It's just that I wonder if some of those activities are no longer being done. I think the activities were being done prior to consolidation are still being done by those entities. The only difference is who's paying. OK. All right. Well, all the objectives and goals that are in here relate to the objectives and goals that are in Chapter 4. So any changes that we made in Chapter 4 will then be brought into here. Are we required to keep all of this the loin-use category in here? You're required to have a statement about future land use? But not. Like, do we really need this chunk of the recitation of the LDC as opposed to just putting a sentence that says, do you want to know about the land use categories? See a land use category? Yeah, I don't think that you are. And other municipal town plans don't do that. I thought there was one change in there. There was one change because the LDC had changed. Or the planned commercial development is not a zoning district in the village, not mistaken. So it's just a line up with the LDC? Yeah. And so. I think it's better because if somebody reads that, if there's one in the LDC, and there's some essential part of what they want to do, it's not in that, because it's just racing. So then I'd say we could delete on page what is currently page 124 to page 138. OK. Although I did like on page 125 about the professional office overlay, which is not something we have currently. And that's different. We do have a professional office over at Lincoln Street. I like her wording on this. Oh, the wording. On this person. We can keep it. Paraphrase. Within the LDC. It's paraphrase from the LDC. It's paraphrasing better than I like the wording. Well, we should keep it for the LDC then. We'll be sure to change it. Because I think it describes it better than what the LDC currently does. So do we have agreement about removing page 124 to 138? The presentation of that sentence. Telling people to go to the LDC if they want to. I mean, we don't even, I don't know what we have to do about it. Because we talk a lot in the company. This is just piece of it. You have to go to the LDC. So I do think it's covered. That's a friendly amendment to my motion if I folks want to. Oh, I think, well, yeah. I think having the land use description that's in this chapter 11, I think we just included a sense about seeing the land development code for further details on it. Would you prefer that to be included in the description on page 114? Or do you want that to be the last statement in the land use section? Well, the LDC really is the last statement in the land use section, doesn't it? Or maybe it may fit better in the section about future land use. I say that because the future land use map is essentially the zoning districts and how the land use is categorized and how development will be treated going forward. Are we still trying to take out the whole section on land use categories? But what, keep the new paragraph on the village center? No, just write in a reference to go to the LDC. Land development code with detail. Yeah. I agree with that. I think it probably sets to put it in the future at the time. OK. I'm just going to see if there might have been a section of the actual reference to it in there, but it doesn't look like it. It's a lot more comprehensive than it's. Although I don't know, here it says comprehensive plan elements in this chapter four, which is page 22 talks about companion document to this plan is where the LDC is definitely referenced. Yep, as I'm saying, it's referenced multiple times. All right, let's take the whole thing out. We'll find out more about the specific land use categories going to the LDC. Out. Out with a sentence, or out without a sentence? Out. OK, let's try to help. You're here to help. No, so I think here, page 22 of this sentence, it's sufficient to, OK, are we going next? I think that's all I have. Happy days? So on the, I don't want to, I didn't want to talk to you. So on the memo, just keep one in the longer. OK. But then that kind of dovetails into my other question, which is the list on the first page here is we've got some folks that no longer are. We've got Caitlin on the content. Is this as of when it was adopted, or anybody who's ever had any like touched it? You might not be nice, but you're always the first. Do you work on it? I can say former PC member. OK. Well, we've got, we've got Lauren on there too. All right. I don't think she touched this. Where is that? Staff, Lauren, where is that? She retired. OK. So I can, I'll just take that out, take her name out. Yeah, because her title isn't assistant, wasn't it ended as being assistant manager some time ago? Right. OK. And Patty. And Patty. She's gone. So that is also retired. OK. We have a new one. One of the replacements for one of the better friends. I touched this. Yeah. Who is? I'm removing Lauren and Patty. Yes. And adding former PC member to Caitlin's board. Well, you know what it is, the trustees. Because technically, they haven't touched this, yeah. So. Hopefully they won't. So I'd say you remove Elaine and Laurie, right? Yes, Elaine and Laurie, they're no longer. OK. Should I say former or? Former. Well, they haven't touched it. So why would you put them in? Right, that's true. Which they're consistent here. Can't touch this. OK, so I'm removing Elaine and Laurie. Yes. OK. And this can change, like we can change this after the public hearing, right? Or can we not change anything after the public hearing? We can change it after the public hearing. OK, yes. So then that, because then it is going to change. So we'll receive comments at the public hearing May 23rd, Thursday. And then over that weekend, I will incorporate the comments. And then there's another meeting, I think it's June 6th, where you will decide to forward it to the trustees. Well, why don't we add Raj in here? Because he's going to be actively nominated since he's handed it to him. And he just got elected. So he's going to be an active member of this one. Is that Raj? And I'm going to troll from the advisory committee? The bike advisory committee. So he's now a trustee? Yes. OK. OK. Don't put that in there. Certain people step up on a regular basis. They do. You can tell by the bruises. Maybe now all we need to talk about is how we're going to do one of the little things that need to change, maybe? Yes, no? Are there any other substantive language changes that we had asked for that we haven't revisited tonight? No. Thank you. So now we can move on to the nitty gritty. OK. Like Arabic numbers and Roman numerals? Yes, I'm aware of that. I know. And yeah, I will fix that. I have a note to myself to fix it. OK. Yeah. Because I was reading this and going, the chapter is in Roman numerals. And then a few chapters later, it's in Arabic numerals. And that's like one. Then it references back. So what do you prefer? Consistent numbers. Consistency. I think quite frankly. Save your moment normal. So a lot of times the numbers get big, oh yeah. I think it's the Arabic numbers are probably more accustomed to what people are expressing. OK. And is that confusing? Because then the sections within the chapter are one, two, three, and four. So is it clear to say chapter one, section one? Or would you prefer chapter one, section A? No, because we think it's 1.1. We've had all kinds of 1.17s and blah, blah, blah, blah. That would be four. I believe that's the coding system. Well, the objectives, you're saying that, right? 6.2, 6.3, 6.5. So that would be more consistent? OK. So then I will make sure that it's chapter one Arabic numbers. And then it'll be section 1.1, 1.2. I think that's a Roush number. We're ready to deal with. OK, so substantive things. This is not a typo. I'm going to take it at page eight. When it comes to the third line under design five corners, it's not the awkward sentence. I would suggest either that or which. So when it reads future called design five corners, that focused on potential future development of the village center. It should be which? Or which? Should be which. Absolutely. Some people have preferences as the which or that. It's the WHICH, not the WITCH. That's my preference on the which. So then it goes down later after the black 1, 2, 3. It's a severed popular design elements. Do we need the word popular? Well, that's an axiomoron, isn't it? I'm just wondering about it. Is it we're rating that? I think it was that they're trying to establish some sense of the excitement coalescing around design subminors. What they're really saying is it was popular at design five corners during that event. Yeah, I think that's what they're saying. Last time. OK, all right. So if you go to the next page and when the paragraph is set across the connector, the last sentence says, wow, on average, six vehicles park on Main Street. And we want to say that, or do we want to say it says this, that several new spaces are expected to be added? Well, I guess my question is, where the hell is new spaces going to go on Railroad Avenue? But do we want to say how many spaces were removed? Does it matter? Still in design development? Well, if further in the document when we talk about, I guess I'm trying to be consistent about, we talk about spaces being there, or being removed, or being replaced, at the very same time as those spaces that are going to be in the press connector, we'll expect to have those spaces utilized by the customers who are patronizing businesses in the press connector. The public. Public. OK. Why are we talking about spaces at all in this document? Well, we're talking about spaces. I read the whole sentence. I'm just trying to be thinking about how I'm reading this consistently, or here's spaces, there's spaces, and everything. I thought it's in the weeds for this thing. Delete it. I don't think it matters how many spaces. Well, it's important that we're conscious of spaces. But we shouldn't be talking about any detail. This is the big picture. Big picture. To me, the $20,000 piece. Just delete that sentence. That was a good sentence. I just. Oh, that's good, Brianna. I'm just trying to get away this as to, what are we? So I'm not dealing with typos at the moment. So whatever you find in the detail. So on page 11, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, my gosh. If or I could have fun with it. OK. This doesn't mean a typo finder. Yeah, you're the doesn't mean a typo finder. Make a lot of money proofreading that. Nellie, what do you want us to do with typos? Let's just solve that issue right now. So you want us to just keep sending you those up until a certain period of time, or? Yeah, better done that way. All right, so then let's do it. I'm just doing something. Yeah, but I just wanted to address that issue. So we got it off the table. But I do want to stress that time is of the essence. Oh, yeah, believe me. I know. I'm going to the schedule next week. I would have got limited by the time. So what was to give us to drop that? Yeah, I don't know that I'm going to be able to get all the typos. I think typos can, yeah, well, I don't think that matters because the word's still the word. It's just it wasn't spelled correctly, so. Well, I think it was spelled correctly. It usually is capitalization, actually. So then maybe what we can say is I hold those for now until. I mean, you could send them to me, and I'll see what I can do. So the next steps is. So if it's late going in or something, what's that going to cause a chain reaction of a bunch of other things not happening? Yes, yes, because the plan expires in August. And so there's May, June, July. And there's three months of public process needed to get your plan readopted in August. So that's why we're working up against this time constraint. Because if we don't get it adopted by August, you will have an expired plan. Yeah, we don't want to do that. So we can keep working on the typos until the day we say it's done and it's printed. Well, I can't imagine if we print it and we haven't capitalized on things. When we print it again, we don't need to run the system to say we put a P in plans to get this done. What you don't want to do is make substantive changes at the last public hearing when it's in front of the trustees. Not good. No. Because then you'll have to warn another public hearing. OK, so. We can get the trustees to make the changes. We don't want to warn any. Well, there we go. So on page 11, there's a sentence underneath the blue wording I hear that says construction completed. The sentence that says the tree farm was acquired for recreation is joint affected. Do we need to have that? Because that is opposed to being future oriented, accomplished, objective. It was accomplished last plan, not this period. So take it out. Take it out, please. Take that one out. We'll work on new stuff. It's for an environment. OK. That's another whole 2.6. Objected 2.6. Can I come out? Great. Well, we held the design suret. I don't know that we've finished developing design standards for downtown, but we came up with the design five corner. So if you're going to say anything in there, you should be saying something about continuing to pursue the design objectives established in the published process resulting in design five corners. Or you just say continue to establish the established design standards. I think they're trying to get at the notion that we actually had a public process and it resulted in something. That would be important to say and that we're still working on. Well, it says hold an enhanced community discussion, which means it could be part two to this. Part one was done. Part two maybe shouldn't have that, I think. All right. What's next? What's next? Yeah, it's going. If I have to go page by page. I'm working page by page. I'm trying to find where I wrote things in the margin. Just leave them here today. OK, I'm going. I'm not looking at typos anymore. Then you can get rid of. OK, on page 31. Does railroad avenue recess still exist? Not for that very often. OK, so where is that? This is on page 31. OK, where on page 31? It is the second dot from the top. This is a downtown revitalization group has been reformed. They were, they were active, quite active. For a while. And I don't know that they, their, their, their work is being utilized, but I don't think that they are there. There's another one. I deleted another one. Look at you. Another chocolate for that. Yeah. There we go. Yeah, it won't be enough for you. You're going to be down to like 10 pages by the end of the week. John's going to be happy. We'll keep this up all in the chocolate left for me. Well, there's plans. They're supposed to be down every five years. Not eight, right? No, it didn't. It's all right. It's eight years. Yeah. Most of the plans in Chittin' and Cotty wanted to be 10 years, but they stayed ten years. What was five and how's eight? Happy days again. Two? Mm-hmm. Alexis, you. Turncoats, they had the lowest two. It's still here. They? They had the lowest two. What? They, they're, they haven't gone anywhere. Oh, it hasn't gone anywhere. Well, just the answer being correctly, then. Didn't. I knew where the job was, what can I say? Yeah. All right, leave it. OK. It's not going to happen, unfortunately. That wasn't funny, so long. Hey, what is it? On page 42, the Parazzo Farm is owned by the Essex-Westford School District. Wait, hold on. Teach me a while to get there. Say that again. The Parazzo Farm, Jay, is owned by the Essex-Westford School District. All the school properties were converted to Essex-Westford. OK. So there is no, the Essex-Jetjus School District has been unincorporated. OK. Thank you. If that helps with the objectives later, just putting in school districts would probably be generically fine. OK. Part of it would be generically correct, but wrong. Question I have for you on page 44. Are the volleyball courts still in the plan for Essex-Recreation? I think so. OK. That's a typo. OK. Hold on. Turn the page quicker. Hey. Well, how can you say, well, the same volleyball courts are currently in the FY17 capital plan? No. Say again? Didn't all their projects get moved into the general budget? Still? I think they're still separate. They merged them so much as Essex-Parksley-Rick, Sharon Alphys, the ministry, that's it. OK. I don't know why we're talking about them, really. I'm not sure they need to be in here either. We have a pool. We have x. We have y. We're thinking about sand volleyball courts. I'm just saying that it's in there. I'm kind of wondering if it needs to be there. So on page 53, we have two charts. We have a chart on 52 is a sidebar. But the one behind it on page 53 is a duplicate of the one on page 32. OK. That may go away when I accept the changes. Well, it was in black, so I'm. Yeah. It's an image. And the images don't really show up as a delete. So one may be deleted, but it doesn't get deleted until I accept the changes. OK. All right. And it's referencing a 2008 plan. Why are we doing that? Do we just like this quote? I mean, it made no one could be relevant. We're not necessarily talking about the open space plan anymore, because we're talking about the Vermont Conservation Design Project. So we can strike this. Take it out. OK. I'm going to grab a sand. There's another one. It's saved at least another branch. 69, you know that highlighted it. Yeah, I had a question about whether that occurred. Jim Gertres. Yeah. OK. If not Jim. Chelsea. Chelsea might actually. On page 72, we're talking about six genital policies and procedures and the first couple words at the top of the page. Do we want to reference where that can be found? Did you say 72? 72. Is this something that's on the website? Is this something that's. That's an extension of policies and procedures. Because is that the ordinance? Is that, you know, I don't think there's a click on space that says policies and procedures. So we're going to send somebody somewhere. I think we should send them to the correct spot. So I'm not seeing where you're, where those were. Very, it's the third line down from the top. Oh, there we go. OK. It's got a reference to something and we don't know where it's at. Right. We're going to send somebody to section 7 and then we're going to send them to the right place. So we'll just, we're removing that? OK. This isn't really good helpful information on this. But do we need all of that? All of that additional p 74 sorry. Is this something like is a requirement? I mean, you are required to talk about utilities. It's not specific. Yeah, I mean, it's a utility and facility. I'm just trying to find the goal that specifically talks about it. And I mean, the goals are silent on whether you need the data. You had the data in the previous plan. So I updated it. That was part of the agreement that all the data would be updated. The compost and waste is actually going to be affected on people starting next summer. No, I know that. I know that. And I'm not saying like delete all of that. It's good helpful information. I'm just actually looking at maybe that in calendar 2017. So the goal that governs that is to plan for finance and provide an efficient system of public facilities and services to meet future needs. Public facilities include sewage and solid waste disposal. And in my determination, talk about how the plan addressed that goal and that it's identifying the means for providing these facilities mostly through private providers or other entities. I'm OK with it. Yeah, I agree with you. What was there? On page 78 under Teen Center, in the new red verge first line, it says it's located. The S-16 Center is located in S-6 Chips. How about Teen Center is run by S-6 Chips? That's already in the location where it's at. I'm wondering about there's some sections that come next with the police and the rescue. There's some references to the S-6 Town 2016 plan. They just kind of, they seem stuck in there. Like they're just there as opposed to flowing with what is there. Would it be better to say these sections are to be found or in the S-6 Town plan versus since it's being jointly done as opposed to just saying the source for this is the S-6 Town plan? I mean, I can take that sentence out and just include in parentheses where that was taken from. Can you just put note on it? Yeah. OK, so on page 89, there is an infographic. Does that need to be labeled as a figure, or is that fine just being unlabeled? I was feeling like it was fine to be as an infographic and not labeled. OK. Page 94, there are, I'd like to have some consistency. There are addresses for some of the projects. There are some projects that don't have addresses. Some of the projects are in the town. This is in the housing section. So is your preference to take out the addresses and remove the ones that are in the town? Yeah, because it says the village has them. Well, it says the village and the town. The following projects are in the town have been built. I mean, I have no problem having all those projects there. It's either inconsistent to have them with addresses or without addresses for consistency. So I'm going to take out the address because there's only one with an address instead of trying to find all the other addresses. So on page 98, I'm going to send you guys a copy. This is the third paragraph. And as I read this paragraph, as I'm reading the sentences, this will redirect route 15 traffic around the village center. My gut reaction to this is, are we trying to send all the traffic onto the side streets to avoid five corners? Or am I not grasping what the sentence says? Can you read the whole sentence? Well, it says this will redirect route 15 traffic around the village center. Well, it's included in the street and out of the place going as public transit as possible. They can either rail, share, do pass, sidewalks, and implementation of the Design Five Corners Project to pedestrianize a short section of this will redirect route 15 traffic. Yeah, I think it should be a comma in this, not capital T. Yeah. All right, because something wasn't quite right. Yeah, yeah, it's much more expensive than it is. OK, so page 103, the Friscoll's paragraph. Oh, I think it's full paragraph. It says C, tables 3, 5. Assuming this is 3 through 5 on the Bicycle Pedestrian Plan for a list of projects that need to be calculated. Is this something somebody can find? It is linked. You just can't see the link with track changes on. OK, so this is going to be a hot link? Yes. Cool. All right, I'm done. Hot links are good. Hey, well, I don't like that. Hot links are always good. Because then I don't have to worry about how can you find this. And I'm not going to worry about the GMT trade changes because they're still in progress. And I know that you have to get a snapshot sometime. OK, so in page 118, we're talking about various areas. In my neighborhood, which is the Warner Avenue area, there is a, it has been for the last 30 odd years, a multifamily home that was converted, I know, at the Wynn, on the Lillies Court. So that paragraph, that there are no multifamily conversions is incorrect. I used to be a single-friendly home. So there's one. So there's one. Hey, there may be others, though. No one knows about. But no one knows about. But that one, that one is all about. She also wants to say that it's slightly being cleaned up in the recent past. No, we're not going to tell you about the cleanup or any other stuff. You take it right in that little spur there. There's a apartment in there, too. There's two units in there somewhere in front of my home. So that's in there. So it's not a no. So do you want to remove that sentence? Please. Well, that's read, I think. Or read. The neighborhood has maintained a single-family residential card. Correct. No multifamily conversions have been located. She located one. Oh, yeah. I can't. I've written the word something different. I can't. I can't. Let's see it every time I play my neighborhood. At least you don't mind looking at as much as you used to. Well, this is true. It's much better than what it was. It can get better. Well, he's working on it. There's a cat in the window when I drive by sometimes. So if we want to be correct, we could say there has been one multifamily conversion located. And Diane Klamath has located. At least one. At least one. At least one. OK. I'm having a problem with the factually incorrect. Because there's a lot. As far as we know, there has been one. But he says maybe there's two. Maybe there's two. I probably didn't get a permit. No. Well, there's a lot of people like that right here, not me. If you should have heard the conversations about unpurvited multifamily homes and other areas. Can I just take the whole thing and felt it? Let's remove it. It got heated. Yeah, you can just take the set inside. That's where it just concentrate on character. There are no longer any sheep and drawn all the neighborhoods. Hey, when I moved in to my neighborhood, there was a horse in the back panel. It isn't there anymore. Is there a page that references all these abbreviations, like what they all mean for somebody? HC, I'm multifamily going back, but HC, what's that one? They're usually abbreviated. It's usually an abbreviation right after the original time. And that's how it usually is. So there's not a page. There's not a page of. No. So the first time it says multifamily is going to be full-patient AMAP or whatever. And then they use the abbreviation now, but there's no more. There's no page with it. What page are you on now? And I think that section that you're looking at is going to be removed. That is going to be removed. Right, so what? Susan Wilson Road to Woolies Court. It says HC, Samuel Clash 1. What page are you on? 2018, René Susan Wilson Road. The reason he's owned from HC, so what's the HC one? Oh, and there's zoning districts. Well, it doesn't need to be in there. To MFMU1, so the one for MFMU1. Well, it hasn't been recently resumed anymore. No. I mean, can we just keep it to see some sort of things we have in Warner Avenue? It just says what the character is. Yeah, it's just dominated by just those. So then on page 118 under summit, you would take out this section of grocery should be resumed or two, right? So take that piece out and then, so basically you're going to eliminate then Susan Wilson, just to leave that second sentence. Yeah. So anywhere it says, is there anything else? Other one, the addition on Maple Street on 119. What was the last thing that you said, Amber? Oh, Maple Street, the addition on Maple Street were 119 to add that it says zone R2 and no more multiple. Okay, just remove that. Yeah, I guess then we don't have to see that understand what we're talking about. Okay. Okay, so going to page 139. It's chapter 14 implementation. There's a yellow spot on table 14. Which probably is. That's the implementation table. So is that the correct number for that table at this point? We, it's titled 16 on the table. I know that, which is why I'm here. Too soon to tell, yeah. So I'll leave it highlighted until you. Yeah, okay. Coordinated. Okay. Hey, yellow mark. Page 149. 119. No. Okay, okay, so. I'll just try it out. You're here 149. Okay, so on a 143 in the Vermont Agency of Transportation paragraph. Yeah. Which is about more than half way down. I'm going to say they're very nice to the village. They are very nice to the village. So what is seeping? What is it? Funding for a seeping study? It's supposed to be a sleeping study. What's a sleeping study? From the agency of transportation. Okay. Scoping. Scoping. Okay, okay. Because I'm going to see. Are we trying to find the, This is from your 2014 plan. By the way, sorry. Well, we're still working on revisions for that. I didn't know if we were looking for brown fields. I just wanted to make sure. So this is scoping. Did we have the connector or grant 2014? I don't know. That'd be very sad if we did. I'm building. Yeah. Why am I listing anything that has a 2014 tag on it? We should scrutinize carefully and make sure it doesn't need to be updated. Is that the last one? With connector or kit 2014, that's pretty sad, but maybe. Have there been any other? I can check. And I was looking at the grant agreement today, so I can check when I signed it. See if there's anything else that's. Yeah, it's okay. You also have a grant. Don't forget for the multi-use plan. And we did get grant regional planning commission to do the study for the railroad avenue and the train station the last few years. And we also got the grants from Susie Wilson, the rest ring extension. And then from Athens drive to 29. So if you want to. To, yeah, will you send that to me? Send the list to, you think I'm going to remember tomorrow? I'll send you an email. All right, and then the whole implementation tries to get to be updated anyway. So when I was online to, because I don't have the maps, oh, except if I see them online, the map number three, which is not here. Okay. The dog park is not on there. And it's a quite a feature over at the state lands. So is part of the second hand. You talk about the addition to the community garden, but only section, the old section, the new section where Amber spends a lot of her time is not listed on there. Okay, so add the dog park to map three. Yes, add the dog park because I think it would be a point of interest for somebody. And if you can add the community garden new section, which is an eastern part of that green spot. The community gardens were added to the land use map. There's two, there's the, what is there? Okay, there's three sections. Two of them are at the West Street property and one's on Meadow Terrace. Meadow Terrace? Right. Okay. I've got the dog park. There's dog waste for some of the goals and it's required and people use it. I know friends might go over there just picking up dog waste all day because they don't do it that way. I thought there was one of those full tabs. I think there is something there that people want to use. I hope you can see them. It's a trustee. Jim's interest did want to do DNA testing on the dogs in the village, so he went to the village. So if the foot was left behind, they could pick it up and test to see if the dog was. They are actually doing that in some of, I just heard this, they're going to have a list in complexes. Let's start testing DNA for a long, long time. How's it to treat dogs? Not for sure, but real good. How's it to treat a dog today? Really? Just looking hard at it. I can see that. There are sticks all over the fields, and the last five things that the dog and the people sticks to the most long is just to get tested, too. Even though people that are going to the woods, and then there's no place for us to pick it up. Can this be a landscape so that it's a little more readable? It's an 11 by 17 map. Yeah, I think it was just the way it was printed. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think it was just the way it was printed. This is just because it's printed on the space. Same trees. That's okay. It's better to ask and say why when it was chucked in versus... So the only other thing is that I know the school district did, as I asked, and they sent an addition, so you have a new chart. So the question as it being is, do you want to go with, and I know you haven't really read it. Yeah, so is that cute? Sure. John's all excited. Oh, no. Yeah, so when the phrase that Melanie has, it says that the population's flat, well, it's sort of flat. Suppose other districts, which are where the population actually is, sliding smaller, or at least staying somewhat closer to a steady state. Well, we could say constant. Well, flat's kind of... Yes. That's what I had gotten from the school district, but I can replace it with the new information. You could say consistent. Or I can say consistent. Sounds better, flat. Well, yeah. You're being very flat today. But I don't know what you want to do, Melanie, because I know that I recently sent this to you, but I'm not sure we got re-sent to you in school information. Yeah, I have it. Okay. And so I will, you know, incorporate the change as indicated on what was passed out at the meeting tonight. Okay. Wasn't it the last six months, either in seven days, the run for free press has said that SX Junction is the fastest growing municipality in Cheney County? Well, housing, typically in enrollment projections, you take into consideration things like housing starts and other, you know, dwelling changes, but that may not catch up. You know, we're not building, you don't get kids for every, you know, if you're doing senior housing, you're not going to get kids like that. Yeah. And family sizes are decreasing. And if there's more multifamily development, maybe that's catering to young professionals who don't have children yet. So it's, it may take a while for some of that information to generate changes in your enrollment projections? Or you have families splitting up because that's what they do. Yeah. And then instead of having one household, you have two households. That's right. So it's always in flux. It's good to have a diversity of housing choices, too. So other than, I'll send you a miscellaneous type of, and I will try my hardest. Just drop the O and get the D. That's all I see. Well, if that one, that one's cool. I didn't know if this had changed. CWD, T-O-D. Now we probably don't even need it. And now we, well, no, I should just. There might be a difference. There's another section that had to, so it's like two, there's another section. That's T-O. I'll look at all the Ds in the plan. Okay, so I will make the changes that we discussed tonight. We should probably have a conversation about the report. I know that the. Well, like you don't have it. It's his haircut, like a student. He thinks he's like 19 years old. Feel like I'm 19. It's my boy. Any comments? Well, I mean that I'm gonna do. That's what I said. I have never been able to master the art. I thought at the start of the meeting, we said we were gonna read this to a non-Londian side. We did say that, but we've been prompted again, so we'll be able to share. Okay, I'm just making sure that that's, sorry. I'm just making sure that that's what. So if you have any changes to this. So do we have to give you some kind of emotion or some kind of guidance or direction on any of this material right now? I don't know. So I'm looking at statute or at least a summary of the statute and I don't know that you have to formally approve the report. Do you know, does anybody recall it from the last time? No. I thought we formally approve the whole plan. Yes. Which somehow includes the report. Is the report going right after the executive summary or does it go as a companion? No, I mean, so you have it in your document. It's referenced as an appendix. But it's not a requirement. And I don't know that other town plans. I wouldn't bother, I wouldn't put it in. Another tree, say it. Call the Tree Advice Recruitment. The requirement to the neighbors? Right, the requirement is that you need to alert the neighbors. Yeah, if this was an email. Right, this has to go to the neighbors. Yes. Yeah. That's it, really, after that. I don't think that you have to approve it. So we have until Monday to give you comments. So basically for us, we should probably, we should say Monday at noon, if you haven't heard anything, it's... I'm the one who would be sending it on. Right, so send all of your comments to Robin because he has to send them to the rest of us so we can look at them. You do need to consider making a motion to warn the public hearing. Make a motion not to re-warn the public hearing. For... We have a date in my room. We have a date in my room. We have two women in the street at six o'clock. PT. All right, so that's the motion. Second. Any discussion on the motion? Anything else we need to add to our motion? No, you come up with a... Do we have to warn something? Is that what we got? Let's ask what this is. I'm just making a motion on behalf of the hearing. That's just what it is. No, I mean, it has to get... Yeah, well, advertising stuff. And that'll have some specific language in it. That's what this is. And it's just gonna say there's a public hearing for it. And do we have to put the document as a link to that so they know what we're talking about and have a chance to read it or anything? Well, it'll be on front porch forward on the Village Website again. Design five corners. Don't turn this extension. Be in the library, be on Main Street. Be on your street, if you want. Okay. Uh, all in favor? Say aye. Aye. All in favor? Motion carries. Seeing none. Happy days. Any, anything further on the conference of plan? Can I? No, okay. Second. Oh, jeez. Hold on. Get in. Get in. All in favor? Motion carries. We are adjourned. Thank you. Can we keep any of this old stuff? I'm just just, I'm not feel.