 start recording this hold on on the other one yep okay ready to go three two one welcome to the metal voice once again our honorary returning member Don Dockin himself and of course my buddy Jaws Lavery co-hosting the show today Don thank you so much for being on the show good to see you guys again and last of my saw you like we just talked about a minute ago you had to open my the door to my room because my hands were so paralyzed I couldn't get in my room so thanks all cool I would have slept in the hallway and I'm not laughing at at it the situation I'm just the way you kind of told the story yeah that's not laughing at you October 27th heaven comes down on silver lining music the new Dockin album it's been whoa boy 10 years hey Giles well yeah it's been 10 years since broken bones or even 11 years maybe I think almost the only thing that out since was the Lost Tapes album just to hold us over yeah I mean this is and this is a great record I mean I I love all the Dockin records and you know some of them have had you know some experimental moments which I think is a good thing I love the darker stuff and you know you know not everything has to sound like under lock and key you know it's great when you expand and you know more minor key stuff but this Dockin album I think anyone who was a fan of the 80s Dockin is gonna be absolutely thrilled with this and there's a plug right there and I you know I don't like to prop myself up I've done records I wasn't proud of like Shadow Life I hated that record and so I wasn't much involved it was the band decide we're trying to get you know change and become monster magnet but yeah people are asking me I've done so many interviews I said look it's been 10 years to assess my life all the tragedies we had the bass player crushing his arm like a tar player had to have massive surgery I got paralyzed from an asshole doctor and we survived and but you know I really think that as you know if you've had the album every song is killer on this record yeah absolutely it's it's just it's like it's like a collection of hit singles but they're all new yeah and they're all kind of different you know yeah remember or gypsy or like a rose and then you you know we all dock and we always used to end our records with a big fast double bass a burner right to the nail till the living in lightning strikes again and I end this record with a one guitar one guitar me singing about my journey from LA to New Mexico you know Santa Fe great song very simple this guitar just a vocal I could have made a huge production out of it and I was talking to my producer Bill Palmer one night and that's how it happened and I said talking about my past because he's from Texas and I said how do you write your whole life in four minutes yeah that's tough you did it but I did it that's a cool song it reminds me a little bit of something that could have come off the solitary record yeah as well which would have been that direction I was always proud of solitary yeah unfortunate no record company wanted it that's a great record nobody they said guns only docking I said what does that mean I am done docking it's just ballads it's just my poetry put to music great every every docking record to me sounds like docking except for Shadow Life as you say which I don't really I don't really you know I don't want to start a big thing about that record but I don't really count that as part of the catalog you know the logo is different even you know like I just I love them all like I love me never everything from like a racist light right up to broken bones up it was amazing awesome I think after that yeah that was the breaking point again on Shadow Life and that's why historically you always have the docking logo which I own and I said I'm not putting my logo on Shadow Life because this is in docking this is you guys trying to experiment and you can't even tell it's me because the first day I met the producer Kelly Gray who played in means right for a few years first thing he says to me he's me goes well I just want to say I was talking to your boys and I don't like your boys I said excuse me you don't like my boys and you're gonna produce our record well you need to get the fuck out of here you know and so as you know on that record that he put things in my voice filters and most thing I start like this you know like puppet on a string kind of yeah and that's not it's like this all these effects that you know Manson used to do on his voice and I'm like well that's crazy and I remember George he like looks so excited he said finally you know we're gonna not make dawn sound like dawn because I hate his voice and I said well George my voice made you famous so shut up well no one needs to worry this this new record is far far far from Shadow Life this is this is right in line with any other classic docking records that people absolutely I said the only wreck one of my favorite records beyond the catalog we just sold from the 80s I loved to race the slate with red beach in the band that was a great it is a greater record yeah that was a cool record great record great but I think the Gemma the catalog I would say what the Japanese disc because like two of the tunes are on the Japanese version every bit is good is the best songs that were on the international version and the same the same for long way home there's like three tunes that should have been on the international version there should just be a disc that comes out that brings all these Japanese tracks together because there's enough of them to make a record it's always been a problem since we started they would say because in Japan you could if you want to buy a record in Tokyo or something or soccer you had to pay like say $24 and or the fans of Japan could buy the import for $17 yeah so the the meant the mentality was we'll put a bonus tracks on the Japanese versions to encourage the fans to buy the Japanese version that was the whole point of the bonus tracks because otherwise the fans would go well just buy the American version you know it's cheaper right so that's why we added the bonus tracks and I was really upset like you said some of those bonus tracks you can only buy in the Japanese for really good songs like dancing the Irish song that's a cool I love that song very Irish yeah yeah that was cool very thin Lizzie little bit there is totally totally I love that tune I always bought the Japanese versions for that reason you know what I find amazing about this new album is the production it's so crisp the guitar tone is so nice these songs are really playing to your voice yeah and I think there's a little more I don't know if we'll call it darker element to your voice you know you're not singing the higher ranges used to but you're still singing in the pocket right you still you the melodies are still there you know there's something great and fresh about this album and the production that you just don't hear what the bands that are coming out of albums today no and I agree with you I think the album sounds fresh and new and I realized after all these years after a break from broken bone I said you know I don't have anything to prove you know there's always the fans in the front row when I'm playing and if I don't hit that B flat above a and kiss a death the high scream and they look at me like they point like up like hey you didn't hit the high note well guess what guys that was 30 40 years ago so I wrote this record in my comfortable range and but it still has the docking harmonies and and and you'll notice on the record there's no really songs about love and love lost and love found what used to be my kind of go-to or sarcastic songs like you just got lucky or it's not love you know kind of like saying you got me but so what but these all these songs I think on heaven comes down are like stories like gypsy fugitive I remember probably only one that's kind of a reminiscent of I was thinking about my past and my life and I wrote the song I remember but they're all still rocking yeah absolutely and it's great what you said I think is really true it sounds like you're singing in a real comfortable area and range that I thought I think your voice sounds powerful clear the harmonies are great yeah and you know you're not you're not you're not trying to sing something that you sang in 1986 and fail you're singing right where you're comfortable and it sounds awesome and I did that for several years on tour and you know I wasn't singing well and I wasn't playing well and I just said look I have nothing to prove and I'm gonna sing where it's comfortable yeah so we just tuned down to E flat and I know my keys A E and D down lower and John knows me so long now 20 years being in the band so he songs he wrote he wrote in my comfort range so I could just sing and put a motion in the lyrics without trying to sing super high which I was struggling you know because I'm something something I noticed on the last record to like a song like Burning Tears that's so in your range you sound so comfortable singing it it's full of emotion this album has that as well and I think and I think that is every bit as good and as valid as anything that you sang in the 80s yep thank you for that it's sad a little bit that you know we're known for breaking the chains tooth and nail or knocking key back to the attack under lock and key but a lot of fans don't know we moved on and did dysfunctional one of my favorite albums long way home with John Norum a racist slate with red beach you know we lightning strikes again with John wasn't crazy about hell to pay that was my first record I wrote with John and you know John hadn't played in years you know he's an attorney and he had left the business and we struggled to find John had to find my way where I want to sing and he kept trying to write songs sound like old docking and I said screw that let's just write a song that we like so how to pay was so so you know but there were some good songs on it but oh yeah we're project learning tears yeah burning tears was cool but now I'm in my comfortable range you know I know a lot of bands I've gone to see in the last year they're still very famous and I noticed as soon as I got to the venue they're singing all they're playing all their songs much lower because their singers are in the 70s but they're using backing tracks to Don you know I mean the scorpions don't thank God scorpions are still close they've taken it down it sounds heavy it's it's got power it's not like it's a cop out or anything it sounds I agree I mean why torture Klaus I went to Vegas when they're doing their residency for a month and I went to like three shows like love the scorpions and Klaus sounded great he just sings lower I mean what do you want these guys man they're in their 70s you know come on and he does sing great even at that lower range done done you know the band you know everyone keeps saying when's the band gonna reunite the classic lineup but I mean a lot of people don't realize this is how you started in a sense you've come full circle right you weren't with George Lynch at the beginning you were on your own as Don Dawkins correct yep the first time was called Don Dawkins just just quickly summarize for the people out there you know you're you go to Germany I'm not sure why you went to Germany I guess we're a recording contract and from there you sort of started off as Dawkins correct actually backwards I had done two tours in Germany as Dawkins because New Wave was so popular in LA we couldn't get a gig anymore so I got invited we did those two little club tours same ones the Beatles did you know the top ten Chicago the Beatles started out in Germany people don't remember that and they're playing cover songs five hours a night but when I met Dieter Dirks and Klaus had had his surgery and he said you know oh you sing with vibrato like Klaus I said yes not a lot of singers don't use vibrato I'd love you to come to Germany and just do the high high high notes because basically I was a virgin right my voice was fresh I was in my 20s and so I sang on that record Dieter said you I tell you what I'll do I'll let you go in my B studio with Michael and make a demo and I made a demo and actually the manager of except Gabby Hauke at the time was there making wrestling wild wrestling wild so she took my demo to Hamburg to rock barlale who's the president of career records a French label and she came back I picked her up she had me a plane ticket that was it and I went he wants to give me a record deal well that's awesome it was 20,000 marks which broke out to 8500 US dollars pennies and they really were any and he said you got three weeks to make a record here's my problem I don't have a band it's just me so that's what I called Mick who I know the boys and wanted him to come do the drum tracks in Germany he was broke the band had broken up and he said why don't you take George to and I said hmm you know I'm a lead guitar player I don't really need George he's great I said yes I've seen him George is great so I hired Mick and George to come to Germany and we did break him the chains and that was it unfortunately we're only like two-thirds down with the record I woke up one day and there was a hotel the theater owned behind the studio and they left they went back to America didn't say anything they just left went back to the back to LA went now I'm screwed the record's not done so I had to finish break the chains by myself so that was kind of let's just say we start out on a bad foot but let me ask you this and this is this more specific it's kind of like the Van Halen thing like you're using your last name as the band which probably later on helped and hurt the band right and it sort of created that tension yes so you say guys the band's gonna be called docking what were their first thoughts when you're recording that album well I think they didn't care because they thought you're gonna pay us a couple thousand dollars and buy us a plane ticket and we're just gonna go play on your record and we'll go back to our other lives and continue on with their own careers so you know years later I remember I can't remember what record it was George and I were doing like a around the world press went to London we went to Czechoslovakia we went to Czech you know Germany Paris and they wanted George to go with me to promote Shadowlight which an album I hated and we went back to Japan and I remember one day I said George what is the problem why we can't get along and I was staying on the side of stage in soundcheck and he pointed up at the backdrop said docking and he pointed goes that's the problem and I went okay if we were probably called the dead puppies there would probably wouldn't have been a problem right you know but he always took umbage umbridge that the fact the band was called docking you know I said George I can't help that it's not my fault you know but George always wanted to do his own thing he started Lynch mob you know in 90 and that was a problem and he finally owned it and said I don't like being in the band that's named after you and I said well George that's ego I'm sorry that's ego and that was always the problem you know but he took them 20 years to admit it so it is what it is a sensory now it's been all of the internet you know George spent plenty of time bashing me in the press for years and I tried not to respond I said look if you're bitter and you're unhappy I don't know why anybody in docking was unhappy because we had a very unusual band agreement that all the money would be split split four ways so mixed the lucky guy Mick made millions and he didn't have to write shit he only had to play drums for a week in the studio and rehearse couple weeks he made a lot of money but that was a deal I made you know so I didn't understand why the band was felt like I was doing something that wasn't right when we were all making the same amount of money it was very bizarre yeah and the band was doing great you guys were doing amazing in the 80s it was it's hard it's hard to see why anyone would be unhappy with that I think it's kind of like the David Lee Roth Van Halen thing right like even though David Lee it's kind of like he's pigeonholed you know he's got it they got a pigeon pigeonholed on him because he can't go out as Van Halen you can only go out as David Lee Roth and he did and he did and he did and he did and they did the re-election and I felt so bad for David I'm known forever when they did that TV show in Times Square and here's David and he's doing his martial arts thing with this oh yeah and he breaks his nose which is the stick hits his nose they had to take it off they had to go off and pipe them up and then start the show again and he's just like playing what the fuck's going on you know where's David he's off the side trying to push his nose back together that was kind of kind of a bad way to start the reunion tour another great story is a lot of people don't talk about is how and again I don't know how true this is but when tooth and nail was released it was a slow burner right it was a lady was the label ready to drop you where management came in and said no you're not gonna drop these guys you're gonna let them do another record I mean how did that go down I was really freaked out you know when we did break in the chains tour it was our first arena tour we were playing with Royster called an Aldo Nova and Aldo Nova had that big kid you know like there's just fantasy can't you feel this fantasy life you know so we were the opening we got 35 minutes but we're playing in front of 10,000 people so I was really happy and I thought and then I would I swear every city we went to everybody every radio station when there was still radio was playing break in the chains so I thought we're on our way you know and there's a saying after the tour when they told us we only sold 100,000 I said well how's that possible we just did a huge tour how's it possible and we're on the radio everywhere I could hear myself in LA every half hour on KLOS KMET KMST breaking the chains and the term the record companies would say it was a passive hit everybody loved the song but nobody bought the record turntable hit turntable hit they used to call it to yeah turntable hits and we done the video silly video me chained up and you know it was our first you know time but I was sold the record company of course it wasn't just us an electorate they want to drop docking and I think Molly crew they want real smart thinking that two biggest bands let's do that yeah well they wanted to go what was happening they wanted to hire black r&b singers and new wave bands and they did they signed a lot of bands and the joke was it you know bands like docking and Molly crew and we kept that label going yeah and they wanted to drop us so yeah that's why we called the record tooth and now and actually the band we kind of broke up after that tour George was gonna be joining Ozzy and he went to London to audition he was like up to like the number one guy they're gonna take and for some reason I still don't know they put him on a plane and sent him home he didn't get the gig jakey lee got the gig so here I'm moving forward I'm playing the whiskey and I've hired warranty martini who was in rad and he when we were showcasing and I look out in the audience and there's George down there what the hell's he doing here at plays and Ozzy and it was kind of funny he kind of pulled war in a side where it was 18 and George like you don't want to be in docking you don't want to do this you know Don's an asshole you don't want to do this because George wanted his gig back that's the bottom line right and rad had just released that EP you know and wanted left the banks he didn't get along with George and rad exploded you know when they did round-to-round so that was that and I had to laugh I saw George standing from the stage the whiskey and he wanted to be back in the band and I said well you can't be like coming and going and either you commit or you don't commit so that the bottom line is like I titled the record to the mail which means it's your last fight it's your last chance and the record company between even with my manager was clip Bernstein returned up he's like the most powerful management company in the world you Brian that Metallica who can play anywhere they want they played the Antarctic they had Tesla they had Queens right they had smashing boom I mean clip is a genius and I thank Cliff for finding me and calling me and saying hey I found this record called breaking the chains it's an import and I'd like to meet you in LA and talk to you about managing you and he came out and met me and I remember saying well I'd love you to manage me and help me out but we don't have her I don't have a band I had Mick actually Mick was my roommate so you know Jeff was playing in club bands George was trying to do his own thing and I told him I don't I don't have a band so Cliff said you should reach out to George and and one you know and one said no I don't want to do it so we got Jeff found him in a bar and the rest is history you know and and it turned out I can't take credit for all the success of doc and I swear to God Cliff Bernstein was a genius that's probably why every band he ever managed had success but he had a plan and every time we got more famous gold records platinum records I kept saying why could we go out and headline nope you got away gotta wait gotta wait you gotta be a support band you know gotta wait be patient and I was very frustrating and then finally we got to the monsters of rock level so Dr. Cliff had a plan and then we broke up yeah I think he took that whole docking plan and just switched it over to Metallica same producer Bob Rock Bruce Fairburn they actually came to one of our shows we met him in the hotel room and I'm thinking oh my god we can get Bob Rock and Bruce Fairburn this album will be amazing and my and the three of them didn't want them and I was not happy and our management wasn't happy I said it's Bob Rock man it's Bruce Fairburn their body of work speaks for itself I mean God bless Bruce Fairburn's passed away but Bob Rock was the guy and my band members didn't want to use them and I thought this is so strange so that was a problem because the way I set up the band doc and it wasn't like a Bon Jovi where he's the boss everybody had equal say everybody if I made a dollar he made a dollar he made a dollar he made a dollar but it was kind of a mistake you know because there was nobody running the ship and it was three of them against me and that's the way it went you know because by then they were just went down the rabbit hole in the cocaine and the drinking and and I didn't do drugs so the kind of I was the odd man out and that really affected our career to the end even monster rock we broke up on the last show and I remember being on stage and the cameras would swing around to George on a solo no George we're talking about Giants where's George at he's standing by his amplifiers playing and the road he's holding a straw while he starts coke and I thought oh shit man this is not good and that's why I decide to end it you know yeah so this new record where would you personally put it in the docking in you know out of all the cattle where do you feel like good question your job where do you where do you feel like we're gonna put it done we're gonna put it I honestly I mean every musician has a new record and they say it's the greatest it's our best it's amazing you know I wouldn't say that but look we've got lightning in a bottle this record haven't comes down I'd say is as good as any docking record we did in the 80s you've heard the record yeah yeah I went out of my way that I didn't want any B songs when I call filler you know a lot of these bands you know you write the hit maybe two and the rest you buy the record you keep guys and must have gone through that and the rest about records like it's alright yeah that's like most records now like I said this is so refreshing to hear as I said earlier it's like and I'm not just saying this it's like an album of hit singles but they're all new yeah and I agree they're all hit singles will we get hit singles probably not the world's changed you know you know the problem is now you put a record out you know on Monday and then somebody puts it up on the internet and everybody downloads it for free so you can't make any money thank God we made money we don't care about the money we touring out because we love playing you know in the 80s we wanted a mansion and a Ferrari we wanted to be millionaires and that kind of drove some of the members I honestly lived in a very modest house down by the beach I just wanted to make music man and when I won that award you know when you guys were there when I got super drunk and you guys had to help me get into my room because people kept buying me drink drinks all day and my daughter was there and she was dad you better eat something you look like you're getting really wasted and I went yeah I think it's kicking in and so when I got that lifetime achievement award and I just it's so nice now this record I mean we delivered this record one year ago one year ago boss dude like I'm chomping at the bit you know I want to play these songs live they want to let us they don't even want to talk about it till now I'm saying because they're worried about iPhones and they hold them up we play a new song like Fugitive and it'll be on the internet the next day sounds like crap you know on an iPhone but they said don't play in the new material and we're like come on man let's go we got great softs on this record but they're saying you got to wait you got to wait you got to wait it's driving me crazy it's definitely worth the wait let's put it that way so tell me about your live plans we talked about the new record what do you plan on doing in terms of the performances live or are you doing this George Lynch docking thing is that continuing that's done yeah we did it for a year Don Dock and George in this reunion but that it kind of got out of control he was supposed to just come on stage and play two songs and then he put Lynch mob back together and they're opening for us so now he's opening for us and he's playing two songs at the end of the show so now he has been launched from playing bars back into playing for thousands of people were docking so that helped him out because I don't think his career was doing great we talk he lives in New Mexico now to live in Towson in the Santa Fe and I and he texted me a two months ago and said I've done six records this year six you did six records in one year and it takes me years to make one and he said hey man it's just about the money now about to make the money do a cheap video it's a little it's a little little hard to keep up when someone's putting out four or four to six records a year I see a lot of guys doing that and nothing against anybody God bless you do what you want to do but as a fan when someone I like is you know I can't keep up with how many records and how many projects and how many bands you kind of just lose interest in all of it because there isn't any one thing to focus on you're just kind of like I'm over here and here there's another thing oh and he's on someone else's record on there's another supergroup supergroup yep it's I agree you know I saw his videos he's got Doug Pinnick on one record yeah Michael Sweet on another record Oni on a record I'm like Jesus Christ you know so and I would lose interest too but he said it's not about perpetuating his career or his legend as a guitar hero it's just about money but now you don't get a million dollars per record or a hundred two hundred thousand so it's like well if I do six records and they give me 20 grand a record that I made a couple hundred grand that's that's his thinking I think and Jeff Pillson only lives you know like two blocks from George in his LA house and Jeff has a studio so he goes over to Jeff's great at recording a pro tool he came an expert so he just goes over and writes riffs and just cranks him out he's not a songwriter so he just sends the songs to all these people and they write the lyrics and he puts out these records I can't do that you know nobody's gonna write my lyrics and nobody's gonna arrange my song you know that's not satisfying to me I think the anticipation is gone right and I think that's what you're kind of getting to like if you wait even you couldn't even wait to bring out your record you just want to show your music to the world and that's anticipation for you right that part of the music industry is gone it's finished it's just it's a world of give me give me give me now it is when people are putting out six records a year I mean you don't have time to anticipate anything and you know you know on YouTube now seems to be the vehicle you put out a cheap video and people click on it oh new dark and song renew this band of this band and they watch it for a minute and they just go on to the next video yeah you know no no you know the world's child I people have no attention span anymore that's right yeah that's right that's when we did the video for heaven comes down and my record company no offense to them but they gave me like a tiny little budget and I said I want to make a great video it's my last record my hands paralyzed I can't play guitar anymore I ship my piano to my daughter it's over and I said but it's got to be a great video that people are interested in and the money they gave me I said so you want me to film this video on iPhones okay you know I did I said you know when I pick an iPhone yeah man we do it all the time I'm not doing that people make movies people make movies on iPhones now you can do amazing the new ones with the three cameras you could make like here's my studio right here you know but I know you're getting to you're not gonna do it on I got that movie V made that he said that iPhones are so good now they're better than what we use to make V well the years ago this phone has more power than the computers they used to put the first man on the moon right right they also say and you know back in the 80s we're using film that's right it was different it's different developed and we had to edit it and you know no special effects now you have AI you can you look at the new Queens right video it's all AI it's crazy animation it's amazing but I said nope I'm gonna do something different it'd be very simple for us just rent a stage go on stage lip sing make a video three cameras done nope not gonna do it I just happen to be lucky enough that the venue meow wolf which is an art installation is in Santa Fe and I negotiated we could film there under when they're closed on Tuesday so we filmed say fugitive and it's a very cool interesting video it is which I think you made a point she's it's over a half a million hits you know so we've been out six weeks and our new video came out gypsy and I said okay we did that and we only got we only got away with that video because I had people they're famous directors editors directors of photography there were fans of dark and they said don we'll fly to Santa Fe and we'll do it for free we just want to we just want to make a great video Tom strict fat and drug always 5k cameras does football now these are movie cameras that's why it looks so amazing so we did gypsy I say let's take a left turn we had a girl draw that by hand on her iPad she lives in Poland I said let's do something different so gypsies very cool but I was talking to John Levin was very good friends with Tommy who manages extreme and he said you know extreme plans on doing a video for every song in the record so they can keep the album alive for a year and I said we should do that let's make 10 videos be it animation AI film go pros whatever so we plan on doing that I'm already working on the next song is it me or is it you working on that video right now Don as the last question is this your last docking album I don't know you're alluding to before so this is your absolutely your last Don record docking record that you're gonna I feel guilty because I said that after broken bones but yeah it's that's it we're done you know we've made our statement in the rock and roll history you know we'll continue to tour I mean my problem now is when we tour is we'd had so many hits and they only want you to play 90 minutes what songs do we kick out of the set and add to the new record be it gypsy or fugitive or over the mountain what do we kick out into the fire breaking the chains the hunter alone again it's not lucky just got lucky it's not love what do we get rid of you know we only got 90 minutes it's a really hard it's tough and then there's a whole lot of great music from the late 90s 2000s it doesn't get played as well you know you could do a four-hour show in theory we could like man you know Metallica plays two and a half hours but I said what do we keep what do we get rid of but for us you know to be fulfilled as musicians we just we don't want to be foreigner we don't just want to play all the hits it's boring so on our show now we do too high to fly which was undisfunctional because that's a vehicle for john to play his solo in the middle of the song and people look at us and they know what's they don't know the some people know the song some people don't it's my homage to Jim Morrison but I said let's just say we want let's all sit down and and say what do we want to play what makes us happy to play and if the fans go I don't know this song or I don't know this song sorry yeah I came to a very revelation two years ago when I got paralyzed that I spent my whole life my whole career to keep the fans happy to be on the road for a year and a half no life I had a son and a daughter and I didn't even watch them grow up I'd come home and they sprouted a foot and I said you know I don't have any obligation to the fans to keep going on I do it because we love to play but I would like to play songs that are near and dear to my heart so that's what we're gonna do we're right now on a 10-day break and I said everybody write a set list of all the songs you'd like to play Chris, BJ, John tell me what you guys would like to play live and we'll play it but we're gonna have to ditch maybe in my dreams into the fire you know we we got I mean we're still playing break in the chains and that song was written over 40 years ago the shocking thing is when I see the fan I see people in their early 20s 30s 40s 50s 60s and we play break in the chains everybody knows the words even a 22 year old I'm like you weren't you weren't born when I wrote that song but we still play break in the chains even though it wasn't a big hit uh you know it wasn't but they but they found the song like a treasure you know when they got older and I talked to these people and they say well you know my parents got married they got a job they bought a house and they weren't going to rock concerts anymore and smoking pot so they took all their records and CDs and gave it to their kids and their kids got it turned on the dock and but they were only 12 or 13 they couldn't come see us and by the time they were old enough to come see us we broke up so now they're like finally I get to see docking live and now I'm 24 five you know that's pretty cool I think it's pretty cool you know what it's very admirable what you're doing you know and and all the power to you the album's coming out October 27th on silver lining music heaven comes down another classic docking album I will say absolutely and you know what if it's the last one what a hell of a way to go out there you go yeah but if you but if you change your mind that's cool as well we won't hold it against you how's that we won't hold it against you yeah I said that I'm maybe I'm speaking too soon I was at the airport with John we landed in Dallas before I later I said John you want to do another record and he says I don't know if I have it in me and I said well let's just work on heaven comes down we'll talk in a year about John goes I have eight songs I've written and I still have four or five songs that are finished so much for that you know what's gonna happen you know like never say never Murphy's law is gonna happen you're gonna this is gonna come out and be a hit and then you're gonna have to do another record yep I'm gonna be apologizing to both of you saying I'm sorry I said this is our last record and now we have another one I apologize that one's gonna be the last record it's okay it's all right that'll be there it's like the Rolling Stones are in their 80s now and they're still making records you know and they keep saying kiss he says you know we're not making any more records because they don't have to they had so many hits but they're still touring and every year it's our final tour it's our farewell tour we're over but they keep going out but I don't I don't honestly me think I'll be doing that I think I've devoted my life to my fans and people like you and I've given 40 years and now I just turned 70 and at the end of June and I think it's time that I've left LA now and I'm now in New Mexico in this beautiful chateau with a mountain I own the whole damn mountain because I didn't want anybody building behind me and I'm just want to enjoy my life and you know what gives me happiness is now walking my three shepherds every day up the trails and hiking and what I do late at night is uh I have Alexa and I'll have a memory of a song when I was 14 and I'll go Alexa play incense and peppermints from the music machine you know when I was you know 10 and they'll she'll play it play me some Beatles play me some stones play sympathy for the devils kind of like I'm reminiscing about everything I grew up with and that's kind of my happy space at night what a great way to end the interview thank you so much Don I hope to interview again you again on your next album or your next tour but if not it's all good buddy it's all good it's all good well just tell your fans you've heard the record we've been very very on the DL on this record yeah I mean they wouldn't let us play any songs live you've heard the record it's a great record and that it is that all right have yourself a wonderful day thanks a lot