 Boom. Ba da dum. Ba da dum. Ba da da da da da da. Do you know what that's from? That's not part of the theme song. Our Stupid Reactions. Tune in for the- Hey, welcome back to our Stupid Direction to eat at some Corbin. I'm Rick. And you can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, for more juicy content. They both know some people call us the Chewbreebs. Call us the Chowbreebs. Ring the bell, be part of that notification squad, baby! Wow. What were you doing there, Corbin? It's Vicky Kershaw's birthday. Happy birthday, Vicky Kershaw. You talented little man. Happy birthday, sir. Or big man. I don't know how buff you are right now. Sometimes you're little in films, sometimes you're massive like an Uri. It's a mark of a good actor. How much they can build muscle. But anyways, it is his birthday today. So happy birthday to you, sir. Yes, sir. But this is a compilation of his interviews where he's talking about acting. Awesome. So I'm hoping we'll get into depth about what he thinks about acting and his process. Because we like, we're actors. As you know, we can hear people talk about acting and discuss acting all day long. Because everybody's wrong but me. All right, ready? Three, two, one, go. You have to master your fear. You don't have to get rid of your fear because fear only makes you do good work. The day you get rid of your fear, you'll become complacent and you'll come to the sofa. Fear is a very good thing. As long as you have fear, you're alive. We're alive as long as we're afraid of death. This is something that came from inside me. I'm the controller of it. I'm the owner of my fear. I was an electronics and telecommunications engineer. And then when I had a job letter, there was a rule that if you want to act, you have to act with all your heart. Then you don't have to think that you have a backup. Because I feel that... Run the boats. Yep. Because the extra 2-3% that you give, you're giving 100% as a gift. It's not that 100% as a gift is a big deal. You have to give 100%. If you give 100% as a gift, where you don't have that much effort, but you're giving it, then you get a little bit out of it. If you have a backup, then maybe you'll be left with an extra effort. True. You wake up in the morning, and you go to the washroom where there are formal clothes, traditional clothes, with a trimmer. No matter what kind of character you are, I would give auditions with that kind of clothes. So, of course, it's not easy. It's really very difficult when you come. And from the beginning, there are 100-150 people standing for that audition. Then you have to perform in front of them, then you have to come in the top 3. Then you select from the top 3. Sometimes there's an audition round. Then you select. Then you get a 30-second ad. So that drill is very difficult. Yeah. It's very difficult. There are a lot of criteria that you have to take into account. It's difficult. But it teaches you a lot. The process of audition is such a beautiful exercise for an actor that you reach somewhere and the script is given. And they say, ready in 10 minutes. Then you are ready in 10 minutes. You have to perform in front of all those people where many people are better than you, many people are not better than you. So no matter how much you are in the water, you get a reality check every day. And as an actor, it's so important that you get a reality check. Many times we do our biggest mistake as an actor is that we saw a lot of pictures in closed rooms and read a lot of books. And we thought, we have become two-packed actors. Because we have watched the five films of Brando and read the books of Stanislavis that now we are acting. But acting is a practicing art. As long as you get down in the field and if you don't feel no matter how much form you are acting it won't work. If you don't feel on the same action. Always remember that you learned by doing. After that the result will come there won't be any problem. So maybe that ingrained feeling that if you keep doing it then it will happen or not it will be seen. And papa always says if you live completely then tomorrow will be good. Don't worry. So I don't know he has sat subconsciously inside he has done this at home. And and I really like this I really like acting. So maybe he gave me energy every day to get out nothing happened today but tomorrow we will leave and then we will do something. Yes, some days when you it takes a long time. That you don't know how it will be. But whenever mother eats food the mother says why are you thinking how it will be your work you keep doing you will take care of yourself. Yes. So this is an actor that I can do as much as I can. I don't work as a caricature maybe that is not my space. I like to do a subtle work. But it is that I don't want to make it my comfort space as an actor. I want to test myself that if my comfort space is good then I will be able to do it or not. If one day I get a chance to do something loud and if I want to do it then I will try to do it. Although this may not be my style but I will try to do it. I think this success or failure one of them shouldn't take anything seriously. Your because of which you kept the first step on this journey it is very important to remember that. I kept it because I love this thing and I want to live the joy of acting in this thing all my life. And my focus as long as it will be on that then I will find this success or failure by-product that will come and go. And both will come and both will go. So it is not in my control. You know So my my effort will be that I what I am acting what I am living that I am living in that happiness I am happy the rest what is getting with it what is not getting I think it is a game of destiny and in that my my very little contribution actually actors take a lot of limelight the actor gets a moment of fame of 10 seconds when the camera is called rolling action and then they get the spotlight that they say that they will remember there is a hard work of 200 people that is not just our hard work there are a lot of light men standing very far standing up that light is hitting on our face then that face is visible that is exactly right when you see that so many people's hard work then it may not go to your head that you are not alone Tismar Khan who is making a movie or making a movie that is all hard work for me sir they said one thing that Shor sir and everyone said in the batch that life is living like Abhinay doing and Abhinay doing like he is living and that is what I have done at home and that is what I will never say in my life so this is the biggest lesson that I have taken and and every day whenever I am on the set I always remember and I can never thank enough for that line and whenever I speak to them or whenever they get the chance to meet in their present batch I always say this line now you will not understand but when you go ahead and work on the set or when you live a normal life then you will remember so when I said to myself for the first time I did not say actor full stop that what I have to do I did not say actor full stop I said actor question mark actor I was scared of myself I could not even say myself I have to be an actor but then eventually with working with many people I came to know the importance of your own uniqueness as you are so if you stay as you are then you can also become a place for instance when we were doing Masan to be very honest we did not even know that this film will be released we were just shooting like I said that time I was really waiting for an opportunity I was lucky that I got a good script that was a film where I was lean lanky two shades darker I was working there was nothing going for me to break out there was a film which we are making it will not be released there I kind of realized that you know as an actor you need to be a part of a good story you do not make the film a star you make the film a star so from there I was very lucky that my journey started from there where many things have been cleared and especially in today's time where the audience has evolved so beautifully that you know they are ready to accept you as you are if you are playing you know if you do one scene and if you do it with all your heart then the audience will google who that person was Neeraj told me this one beautiful thing he said you do not look like a tourist so you will not be able to be one with Banaras you have to surrender yourself so you go in the city you wake up in the morning and reach somewhere and you think when will you come and that is what I tried doing and then I do not know I would come in 2 hours or sometimes late at night so that helped me a lot he just told me one thing surrender yourself to this place do not think that you want something from this place do not think the place where I went for the first time it is an open place I think till today in the history of 500-600 years it is not like no dead body is being burnt so it is that kind of place so even in the open you feel very claustrophobic because in those streets you smell the fact of burning you start getting the smell so the first time when I went I went out in 15 minutes and that is when I realized that I have to play a character who in his lungs in his lungs there is no smell there is no smell there is no smell so then eventually at the end of 2-3 weeks I could stay there for 7-8 hours I could have my cup of tea next to a burning pyre I could have said it has more sugar Banaras is the only place after spending 50 days when I was coming back to Bombay I felt like I was leaving my house and I still crave to be back at Banaras because I still feel that that is my home how important do you think that our life experience is how much does that help that you do not question a character very much for an actor especially huge that is everything that is what you are good bad bad sometimes you think selfishly sometimes sometimes I know during the break up I was happy to feel like this I will remember yeah use it use it how we able to use that the most difficult acting performance you know what I am afraid of when someone tells me that you have slept and you just woke up the one who wakes me up that is the toughest she has slept it is true okay okay okay okay okay good good it is a very interesting thing you said about not re-reading it really makes it up to the actor because I think Big B is the opposite Big B knows everything I do not read and the second thing is if tomorrow I have to do a scene then I do it one night I read the script till that scene I read the journey of the character till that scene and then I do not get into it I think it's actually a very simple thing. It can be the simplest thing. Like, your actual life is still acting. So, it's not that difficult, it's just that if the camera was in front of you, you would have thought, I wasn't doing anything till now, but you have to do it. If I don't do good at my job, no matter how many hashtags I use, no matter how many filters I use, nothing's gonna happen. I'm not gonna get likes, I'm not gonna get followers, nothing's gonna happen. The equation is that simple. You fail there, you'll fail here. You rise there, you'll rise here. That's it. You know, I read in an interview, Anurag Kashyap said about you that in the beginning, when you first started and you were giving these auditions, a lot of people said, great, the acting's all in place, but you're not hero material. Yeah, to be very honest, when I started off, I had this pressure. And it came from my own complexes that I'm lying to you, it's early hair, crooked teeth, not a fair complexion guy, not the chocolate boy hero. So these complexities were mine. And that's why I always never had the confidence of shaking hands with somebody. And this is when I just started off. Shaking hands with somebody that I'm Vicky Kaushal, I want to be an actor. You couldn't say that to anyone. I couldn't say that. Although I was doing my acting course, I was doing everything I could to become an actor, but it didn't come as confidently as I would have wanted to. But you thought they would say, that you'll become an actor, like that? Not that, my internal insecurities were there. That I'll prove it by doing it. But I don't want those judgmentalised words. Because I've done it with him. And so it's a cheap thrill of my life. So I've gone for an audition when I was doing the rounds. And knocked the door, set up my fit for the audition. And he looks at me from top to bottom. And that room was this big, this big, and it had some, like, 50 hundred boys in it. All cladrack models. Like, I thought all the handsome boys are here today. And then he looked at me from top to bottom and he's like, DOK adder. So that was an indication that you're not fit. But I didn't do it. So I'm also shameless. And he said, DOK adder. And then I was like, Sir, am I fit for the audition? And then he's like, Okay, come on. You'll find out what I meant by that. And I went in and then obviously it was that typical remove your t-shirt. Girls falling on your type of an audition. So it was actually that, that bathroom ceiling was going to fall on you and the girls were going to fall on your type of an audition. Awful. DO. So the girls were going to fall on your type of an audition. No worries. I don't know what they did, they just fell. So I was like, okay. And I gave that audition. Lanky fellow bare-bodied and like, And but that stayed in my head, that that scan of his eyes from top to bottom stayed in my head. And this year, this year, this is DO brand that came my way. That they wanted me on it. And I was like, Because I wanted that loop to close. I was its closure in my own life. That there was a time when I was scanned from top to bottom for a DO ad. Now this is the time when a DO ad came to me and I'm doing a DO ad and same old stuff. Oh, that's funny. Commercial auditions, if you're not an actor, are just the absolute worst. They're the worst. Like it's gut-wrenching sometimes what you have to do in a commercial audition, which they could cast off of a photo because most of the time, you're not saying a word. Correct. And them. And so they're like, come in and pretend to drive a car. Right, Rick? Yep. It's so dumb. Just awful. Come in and we're going to pair you with these people. We're going to be your family. And now just stand here in this room that has a gray background. And you guys are at the beach. Stay in frame, please. You can't move around. And you're going to play with the beach. Well, throw her the beach ball, Rick. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And but they actually don't want real acting. They want it to look like you're having a good time on anyways. But yeah, there was a lot of interesting stuff he said in there. And I love Vicky Gershaw and hearing him say a lot of stuff about acting. I like him even more. But I actually relate to that thing he said about not telling people you're an actor. One, it's nothing that like, because I don't care what anybody thinks at all. I don't know if it has to do with something like that or if it has to do with just I'm a very, very private person. And so like if I still won't, but I've never gone up to somebody outside of like on the channel when people ask me, I'm an actor. Of course, that's what I do. But if like somebody asks, what do you do? I don't usually say I'm an actor. Interesting. Because it's what he said about their judge, like I don't want the in their head. And then I don't want the follow up questions because it bores me. Oh, anything, anything you've been in that I know of? And so it's just the whole conversation is something I don't want. Like at all. I don't care if one down and then on you, I'd cost you a film if I'm in a Christopher Nolan film. It's going to take a long time before I'm just be like, yeah, I'm an actor. It's just it's not something I like to do. I've never, I've never said that either. Like a person to person conversation. Huh. Yeah. Yes. It doesn't, it doesn't bother me one bit. Well, you're also a lot more open than I am. And also more willing to talk to, also willing to talk to people. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's not a surprise. It's not a surprise that that's our response to that. Yeah. I don't want to have the conversation like at all. Yeah. That is like, like I'm one of those people that also hate small talk. And so it's like, yeah, I despise it. Like, oh, hey, what do you do? What do you do, man? Oh, cool. I don't care. Shut up. Anyways, but it was also interesting what he said though about when he said, I only read what's going on in my character's world, because that's an interesting discussion to have, because there's people that know everything. So don't know, like Big B, I'm guessing is like this, right? He knows everybody's lines. He knows where you are, what just happened, what's going to happen, everything like that. And that works. And that's why acting is, I think, such a beautiful thing, because there's not one specific way to do something. There's Daniel DeLuce's way to do stuff. There's Shia LaBeouf's way to do stuff. There's, I'm going to talk Bak Chan's way to do stuff. And none of it is technically wrong if it works. That's the key. If you could do anything you want, as long as it conveys on screen that you're not trying to do something. What happened? Did you freeze? I was waiting for you to say something. Oh, no. I, yeah, as far as the reading of script aspect is concerned, it depends on the script, it depends on the project. I mean, the one thing I, too, agree with him, like for me, I want to know what's going on in my character's world, not necessarily everybody else's world. But anybody in my world at that time, like I want to know in the scene, everybody's lines. Yeah, I often go back and forth on that. And I think I lean towards more of knowing because it also gives you the opportunity to improv if you know where other people are going as well. So there's that. But then also you get the organic-ness if you don't know what anybody's saying, but also the organic-ness almost goes out after the first or second take. Because you know- Yeah, like if I'm doing a scene with somebody and they've got a monologue, I'm not going to memorize their monologue. Yeah. I'm going to memorize my pickup line that comes up at the end of their monologue, and it's actually quite helpful because what I can do is actually really genuinely listen to them while they're talking. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's beautiful that there's a whole bunch of different ways. And I like it. So he also, it was, because he said some stuff, if you're not an actor, like he talked about Stanislavski. And that's, if you're an actor, you know who Stanislavski is. That's just, he's like the creme de la crème of acting teachers, like method. And you don't have to know who he is to be a working actor because I remember when Winona Ryder was nominated for her first Oscar, she was being interviewed and someone asked her about Stanislavski and she didn't have the foggiest idea of who he was. And I was appalled. Yeah, I'm an actor. I know who Stanislavski is. But he also- What are you doing up there? But he also said something very important about the why, which I know you responded to, which is always extremely important. And some little thing that you can pick up on in films, like, there always needs to be a reason why. If somebody's getting up, why? Why are they getting up? Are they just getting up? Because they felt like the scene needed movement? That's when you can see people. That's one of the things when we talk about like, you can see people acting. If they're getting up and it was for absolutely no reason at all. Yep. It's- I talked about that before. I've had that problem where I was working with a director who had a particular vision he wanted to put on the stage. And he had me cross down right at a particular point in this scene. And I couldn't justify the movement. It made no sense to me based on what I was saying. It was distancing me from the character at a point where it made complete incongruities to me. Although- And I said to him, as I crossed down right at one point, I said, why am I going over here? And he- He didn't understand where I was coming from because he didn't speak acting terminology. And I said, well, I'm not understanding we're having this conversation. It seems like if anything, I'm supposed to go this way. And he said, because I want you to cross down right. Just because you want me to cross down right? Yes. I'm the director. You're the actor. Oh, okay. Great motivation. Thanks. We didn't get along. We didn't get along very well. Anyways, well, that was great. Love hearing people talk about acting. So happy birthday to Vicki Grishaw. If you ever want to come on the channel and talk about acting more, you're more than welcome. And we would love- We would love it. Also, let us know what next Vicki Grishaw film we should watch is down below.