 think that it's really important if I can turn it around that the SDGs be seen through the prism of landscapes which means that we don't just look at the targets the obvious targets that focus on terrestrial ecosystems or forests or water or even oceans but that we take those targets that may not be so obvious and put a landscape lens on them so we talk about PPP private public partnerships we really understand and unpack pack what that means at the landscape level what that means in terms of small holders because in essence when you look at natural resource management forest fisheries it is essentially about a public private partnership when you look at issues related to women's participation women are very important stakeholders in forest management and natural resources management so rather than just looking at a target on women's participation in a sort of generic way that we actually look at it through the lens of the landscapes and what landscape management means for women's empowerment and for women's participation and I used other examples it's more than in my talk of short while ago I was talking about the need to also bring into the equation natural infrastructure both standalone and in terms of complementing physical and built infrastructure to look at governance issues a lot of the forest issues or forest governance issues are much broader and it becomes an entry point through which you can tackle things related to land tenure related to corruption related to how to better manage and prevent how to better prevent lost revenues and how to better apply different types of incentives so there's a whole range of issues that are outside of the sort of usual suspect targets that provide really critical entry points for having landscapes be what I call sort of an organizing principle of the SDGs we had along a lot of discussions in the run up to the SDGs and during the SDGs of whether things related to environment should be standalone or mainstreamed and I think we can actually have it both ways we have those standalone targets but we need to make sure that they don't become isolated and that we really integrate this and build up a greater understanding not among ministries of the environment but as I was saying sort of that proverbial minister of finance of why these natural resources the ecosystem services ecosystem resources underpin all of that economic growth that everybody keeps talking about well it wouldn't look different than what it is now it let me just start off by saying that this is an intergovernmental process I'm no longer part of that intergovernmental process so I'm withholding all sorts of any kind of judgment as to what the process should be going forward but that said what came out of the intergovernmental process so far is pretty good you know it's good enough for hitting the ground running it's good enough for implementation so I would think they say that with what we have right now we have to take a hard look at it and see how you take it a step forward and if we're really intelligent about the next step which is actually starting to look at the indicators if we can come up with really smart indicators that cut across or that establish those linkages between sectors or between enablers and sectors then we might end up with actually a proportionally smaller number of indicators and we have targets we shouldn't assume that because we have 198 69 targets we have to multiply that by I don't know five or seven indicators per target and that's going to be I think a challenge and what what really will be the decisive issue there is statistical capacity and is the cost of monitoring so there we really need experts to come in there's so many indicators out there we don't need more indicators but to judiciously select which are those indicators that are the most relevant and as you know if I can heart back to my previous incarnation Columbia proposed this idea of the dashboard and the the concept there is that when you have a truly universal agenda not all indicators will be equally relevant for all countries either because it's not relevant because of geographic conditions for example or because there are different points in the spectrum of development or because different parts of the country are at different steps in the faces in the in the spectrum of development so that will be on another level of complexity if you will is how you have those those indicators reflect the differentiation both between countries and within countries well I think that the SDGs are historic opportunity you know it's the first time that an intergovernmental process has produced metrics so the degree of ownership is extraordinary so rather than complaining or trying to see how you can make it even better or more perfect we should just recognize that what came out of New York is quite remarkable and that the everybody's appetite now is for implementation and that it's not no longer just governments look at the New York declaration on far as it was private sector signing on to that so private sector civil society everybody's ready to start to implement I think that's where the conversation has to be now how do we actually do it