始まりました カシワノハーイノベーションフェス皆様には大変お待たせいたしました司会進行を務めさせていただきます森窓かと申しますどうぞ皆様よろしくお願い申し上げますカシワノハーイノベーションフェスは千葉県貸し橋にあるカシワノハーキャンパス駅を中心としたカシワノハースマートシティオ舞台に行われるオープンイノベーションフォーラムです2020年はエンパワーポッシブルをテーマに掲げまして大きな変化が求められる時代だからこそイノベーションにはもっとできることがあるそのために世界中の人と熱く未来を語り想像を膨らませビジネスに新たな力を生み出すことを目的に多くのゲストの方々とともにさまざまなエンパワーを生み出すトークを展開していければと思っておりますさて本日最初のトークイベントオープニングトークのテーマはエンパワーピープル市民と共につくるポストコロナ時代の新しい社会の形ですここスマートシティではデータを利活用した新たな取り組みや市民の声を街づくりに反映させる取り組みを実施する予定ですこのいずれも市民の方を巻き込んで参加していただくことがとても重要になってきますそこで最初のテーマはそういった新しい時代街の担い手にもなる市民の方に力を与えるという意味合いも込めてエンパワーピープルをテーマにいたしました最初のテーマを語っていただくにふさわしいゲストといたしまして台湾のデジタル担当大臣のオードリー炭酸をお招きいたしましたオードリー炭酸は若い頃よりプログラマーとして活躍されその後政治の世界でデジタル化やIT政策を担当されていますコロナ禍ではデジタル担当大臣としてマスクの在庫を見る化する仕組みを作るなど一役時の人となりましたそんなオードリー炭酸と一緒に市民とともに社会をより良い方向へと導くオープンイノベーションとその成功の秘訣について日本のこれからを考える上でのヒントを見つけていければと思います皆さんにご覧いただいていますズームの画面の給営ボタンから質問をお送りいただくこともできます最後にお時間があればいくつかオードリーさんに答えていただければと思いますのでぜひご質問いただければと思いますそれでは早速お迎えいたしましょうオードリー炭酸ですよろしくお願いいたしますオードリーさんこんにちはよろしくお願いいたしますこんにちは私はここで本当に幸せです私は私自身の greeting全ての オープンイノベーションについて私は私自身の オープンイノベーションについて私も一時間の未来に仕事をしています私も大変近く感じておりますがそれでははじめに簡単にオードリーさんのご経歴や台湾ではどのようなプロジェクトをされてきたのかその辺りからお聞かせいただけますでしょうかそうです私の背景はとても適切です私は中学校を辞めた時に14歳の間に私は学校の前に話していました私はオープンイノベーションのA.R.X.I.V.のアーキャルからコロナウイルネバースティーに私たちのペーパースを記載する前に学校の前に電話を読む前に私は実際に学校に行など開くことができますつまり今のリカードを読めることができます私はそのことを自分の中学校にやったのでスタッフをより多くのウェブ・テクノロジーにコミュニティーがそれぞれ私たちはスタッフのオープンイノベーションにコンセンセス シーフィック パーティス ペーション ラティコ チャンス パーティンシー5年前にそうです台湾で選択することができます私のネイティフ ポリティコ システム後でいろいろなコンポニーを 探すために何故人たちを信じているのかとても早くオンラインでどのようにハッシュタグをするのかそして他のソーシャルテクノロジープロソーシャルメディアとプロソーシャルプロダクション2014年にアプリケーションを受け入れました3週間の台湾のパラメントを受け入れましたそのデモはプロテンスを受け入れました彼らはスケールを聞くために彼らがオンライン・オンライン・オンサイトレベーションを知っていることを理解することを理解することができます現在は 次の時期のスクーステーマがこのようにオンラインの3週間のアプリケーションを実際に再アプリケーションを 受け入れましたその後、SF15年間に今後のデモは開催するということを進めていますそのため パラメントの作成を招待することがたくさん出現していますそのため、2014年のタイマー中からグラミングというのをされてきたようなんですか そのまずきっかけとなったものにはどういった環境があったんでしょうかとにかくなったものにはどういった環境があったんでしょうか活動においてもオンラインを活用するというところにつながっていったベースと考えていいんでしょうかそして信頼今のオンラインでどうして人は信頼できるかというお話がありましたがやはり政治格活動においても信頼を積み上げていくツールとして中継をするですとか透明性を高めるといったことが大切とお考えになってきたということでしょうかブラッドヴァンアクセスは人間的に正確ですもし台湾の上に4,000メートルのアイテムを持っている場合おそらくリモートアイランドやインディジナルなどの場合私たちは10メートルのアイテムを持っているために私たちは16USDのデータコネクションを持っているために私たちはそのアイテムを持っているために私たちはそれにつながっているためにありがとうございますご経歴についてそしてお考え方について伺ってきましたがそして次にですね日本とのご関係についても少し伺いたいと思いますが何度か日本にお越しいただいているということ伺っていますが日本に対する印象というのはいかがですか日本の人たちはフュチュアリスティクテクノロジーでリネクスが非常に便利なやかに効果的な方法で私たちは日本の新たなインディジナルにおかしに日本におかしに行っていると私たちは日本におかしに行っていると私たちは特にアスクレイクの後で11月11日のアスクレイクの後で日本の人たちは最もデジタルに向かっていることが人々 thank youMaleRevitalisation Attempts濃度な技術を全ての人の為に使っていく全ての人のために使っていく 歓迎していくという考えですよねはい ありがとうございますそして何度も日本にいらしていると その後も行くようになったと今お話があったんですけれどどこかいつも日本に来られると 行くところとかお気に入りの場所などというのはあるんでしょうかコミュニティーズ あの have very fond memories and even when I was there there was a typhoonSo I get to feel the resilience of the Japanese infrastructure when it comes to like flood warningsand typhoon mitigation and things like thatAnd then while I was the typhoon past I just continued to drove on the electric vehicleand just encountered the people who care a lotnot only about their local culture being seen by the worldbut also trans-culturally incorporate all the different cultures into the local populationand I think it's a really good trans-cultural placeありがとうございます今もバーチャルで行くことも簡単にできますけれどコロナが落ち着いたらまた是非日本に来ていただきたいななんて思っておりますがさてここから先は少し具体的にオープンイノベーションのお話を伺っていきたいと思いますがまず近年のご活躍といえばやはりそのマスクの在庫の管理ですとか配布をアプリで管理されたということが非常に私たちにも衝撃的というかこのスピード感がすごいというふうに報道を見て感じていたんですがまず一番最初にそのコロナですよねあの武漢で肺炎が発生したといったときにデジタル大臣としてオーディさんどのようにお感じになって何が問題だと考えられたかそのあたりからお聞かせいただけますかthe main problem is that people feel that the medical masks are being stockpiledand people kind of just randomly feel there's a panic risingbecause people don't trust a lot of convenient stores or pharmacies and so onto distribute the mask in a fair fashion nowadays of course there's plenty of masksso we don't have that problem anymore but back in january it's a real problemand numbers the numeric models showed if three quarter of people wear medical maskand have good hand sanitation habit then it's as good as vaccine it's like a physical vaccineand our value will be under one meaning that the virus will not spread so the main challenge ishow quickly can we get three quarter of Taiwanese people wearing mask and washing hands properlyin a fair fashion and we worked with the pharmacist because the pharmacists are alreadytrusted by their community and neighborhoods not only they are professional they can tellthe elderly people who often go to pharmacy to refill their prescriptions and so onthe right way to sanitize their hands physical distancing and other important scientificknowledge and so the pharmacist not only served as an educational role but also agreed to publishin realtime every 30 seconds there are realtime inventory of all the medical mask availabilityin each of those pharmacies and it's still running now so the red ones have run out of mask and thegreen ones still have some and we co-created the system with the pharmacists and the civictechnologists the gov zero people the government didn't write this interface the basic map i thinkit's been done by open street map community but what we did is that we make sure that wepublished the open data every 30 seconds so people queuing in line can participate in thisaccountability ledger so that's when i swipe my national health card people queuing after meknow how many masks i have purchased if we publish the number only every day then onlythe government can audit but the citizen cannot come up with better distribution mechanism butbecause we publish every 30 seconds people came up with a lot better distribution mechanisms over thecourse of february and finally march and by march we hit the three quarter rule so by april we don'thave any risk of a community spread anymore 非常にそのシステムがパンデミックを抑えてきたと言えると思うんですけれど実際にそのシステムを作り上げるためにどういった人たちに声を具体的に声をかけてどういう経過で作り上げてきたかそのあたりを聞かせていただけますか yes we often say our counterpandemic teamis 24 million meaning everybody so anyone with a good idea can call 1922 the toll free numberor through chatbots and other online ways to feedback what's a better idea to for exampledistribute the mask and ofcourse there are also professionals such as a member of theparliament mp go home and and go and she before serving as a parliamentarian she wasthe vp for data analytics at foxconn so she knows something about data and thenusing the realtime mask availability in her interpolation to minister chen shijong rccc commanderthe legislator said it looks like you're having a fair distribution if you only look at individualformances on the map however if you take into account the time it takes for the people takingpublic transport or in rural areas if you zoom out on the open street map contribution thenactually there's a systemic bias people in more rural places will take more time to get a medicalmass it's not fair to them because they are also part of our national team and the minister insteadof defending the policy simply said hey legislator teach us and so we started co-creatingwith her team and with the open street map team immediately so that's 24 hours laterwe introduce new distribution criteria and also worked with convenience store that opens 24 hours a dayfor more convenient pickups and mp go was very happy and say yesterday's interpolationbecome tomorrow's revision and so it's this very short response cycle rather than a perfectinitial response that encourage people to call us and tell us better ideas ありがとうございますここであの視聴してる方にご案内ですがご質問がある方はズームのチャットボタンからお送りいただければと思いますそしておどりさんに続けて伺ってまいりますがそうしたプログラムを作っていく中であの小兵器となったこと何か難しかった課題というようなことは感じてらっしゃいますでしょうかいや in many cases there is especially in our part of the world the east asianthere is a strong sense of resorting to authority like deferring to people with authorityto have a top down measure and it is quite natural to wish to do so when one feelsnot empowered maybe somebody higher up can help solving the problem by essentiallypunishing people who don't behave across to the social norm this is somethingthat Taiwanese and japanese have a lot in common we think a lot about the social norm and tomake sure that people conform to the healthy social norm but sometime it may also make senseto empower the people who are outcasts who are closest to the pain there was a casewhen there was a person diagnosed with covid-19 initially she said to the contact tracersi stay at home all the time i don't know any strangers i don't know why i get this diseasebut the day after she finally said i actually work at a night intimate drinking bar the firstday i don't want to talk about this because as a professional worker i need to protectmy client's anonymity because they don't want their friends and family i guess to know that theyhave frequent those places so it looked like a zero sum game like a public health versusprofessional privacy it looks like a game that's one loose and one wins and so on and at that time there's a very strong pressure from the society to punish people to invoke sanctions or ordernightclub to close down because they have violated the social norm but our commander commander 陳時中refuse to do so his reasoned doing this will only force them to go underground and if they go underground it's impossible to track how the pandemic spreads there and so he worked with a teamin cecc who already had extensive experience working with the hiv plus community for whom anonymity is very important and also later developments such as u equals u undetectable isundetransmissible and so on so they worked out a real contact system as long as people could becontacted they don't require real names and you don't have to file those contact to the centralgovernment it can be kept in the businesses they also explain why social distancing is important how the droplet infection scale and because of that commander chen didn't close any nightclubs didn't force anyone to jail didn't find anyone really he simply said we invite you to come up with a real contact system that maintains social distancing so such nightlife places developed creative approaches such as leaving codenames single use email prepays sim cards hats with plastic shields and things like that and so they gradually reopened with the blessing of the municipal government becausethey are also part of the counterpandemic team so this prevention effort was able togarner social stressworthiness even when there is a challenge of pressure from the citizens toclose down to shut down those places and so that is the kind of challenge we need to overcomewe want to trust the citizens completelyそのプライバシーを守るというのは非常に難しいことでもあると思うんですが逆にそのプライバシーを提供する市民側の抵抗というのはすぐに解消されたんでしょうかindeed so in taiwan the counterpandemic idea is very simple we do not collect any datathat we are not already collecting before the pandemic in short we do not use the pandemicas a reason to collect more data bluetooth gps wi-fi we don't collect these data during the pandemicwe use already well understood systems such as using the national health insurance cardto get the refill prescriptions that's the same as getting the medical mask and people understandhow that works how it will not be turned to business use or commercial advertisement usewhen we're doing the digital quarantine we make sure that people know if they break the quarantine iftheir phone leaves the 50m radius then using cell phone strength data the telecom will senda sms to the local health workers who will check whether they have broken the quarantine but thatautomated sms is the same experience as the earthquake advance warning or flood evacuation warningpeople understand it doesn't know the precise gps location and also it cannot read your email oranything it's not an appand so just by repurposing existing data collection people can feelrest assured that the telecoms sending the sms they're not transmitting this data to anybody else certainly not people who would pay for advertisement or things like that it's still in where they used to bein the telecoms it's just the telecoms agree to send a extra sms to enforce the digital quarantineso that's the philosophy of no additional data collection during the pandemicそうするとこれまでの経験の積み重ねがそういった信頼につながったということなんですかねyes and the trust isearned meaning that it's earned through trustworthiness like we're worthy of the trustbecause on specific methods such as the digital quarantine or the mask availabilitywe make sure we answer before the parliamentarians the interpolations workusually because we never declare a state of emergency everything we do must meetparliamentary approval before we do that thing and so this constant interpolation is very importantso that whenever we introduce a measure the nps can explain to their constituents that theseare not new data collection measuresどんなふうに思われましたか東京都の対策などはyeah i think having the dashboard the stop covid dashboard which i contributedin a very minor fashion i just changed one word in it most of the translation and so onare done by people in the gov zero community who already have a good relationship with code for japanthrough their okinawa hackathons and then got the coverage upon people convinced themtokyo metropolitan government to continue this open innovation website the only thing thattokyo metropolitan government can do in the beginning is to give it an official domain nameso people feel assured this is known by the officials but actually the development is entirelydone what we call made in the world with worldwide contributors this enabled the stop covid to workto be forked meaning to be uh taken to different directions in all the different municipalitiesacross japan but not only across japan but also there's also taiwanesecivic technologies and even craw asia i think uh 11 days ago uh just updatedtheir stop covid based on uh lessons learned from the japanese dashboard and so onso it's pressed to the entire world when it's made in the world it can help the world much more easily市民のその技術というのが集結してまあ台湾ではガブゼロという組織があるというお話なんですがこう市民を巻き込んでいく技術者だけではなくて大きく市民を巻き込んでいくために大切なことというのはどういったことなんでしょうかrural and remote places but when i travel the 12 ministries related to social innovation stay inthe social innovation lab and we use video conferencing to connect up to five municipalitiesand cities together to listen intently to the local innovators the reason why this is importantis that many time in the central government we may feel we have solved a problem but actually solving this problem may cause new problems in other non-municipal places and the only way tounderstand how much of an impact negative or positive we had is actually just to travel thereand spend a couple days as i often do to do a ethnographic or just hanging outwith the local people until i can see their daily life their work from their point of viewand so the importance of this is because we take the idea of taking all the sides that's thesociety need to innovate in an inclusive fashion and there must be nothing about the people withoutthe people so it's me going to them instead of they having to come to Taipei but of course my officeis opening Taipei anyone can come and visit toyes there's two main challenges one is that for many central government's public serviceunderstanding this idea of listening at scale sounds messy sounds counterintuitivethey think of 5000 people joining a petition or a hashtag as more noise than signal and they'renot entirely wrong if we only listen to the cacophony the loud ideas then you will get a feelingthat the society is very polarized that the social media is anti-social and it's a waste of timeto address those divisive toxic points that's the first challenge is about polarization the secondchallenge is about legitimacy many people who visit me or call 192 maybe primary school studentsmaybe middle school students the most active petitioners on our platform are just 16 or 15 years oldthe second age group that's active is 65 years old but anyway these two group of people have moretime on their hands i'm sure but also care more about future generations and so because of thatthe legitimacy of makingthe like migrant workers or very young people they don't have the rightto vote so should we consider them citizens are they even legitimate in bringing the policy changesthese are also questions not by public servants but by representatives like city counselorssometimes they will make this argument like they are not voters so the way to solve these two concernsis the same one is to build a pro-social media where people can see that despite ourdifferent positions there are common values with collective intelligence tools such as poliseveryone can upvote or downvote to resonate with each other's feelings but there is noreplied button so you cannot attack other people every time we run a polis conversation it makessure that we understand there's much more in common with the people across age and acrossdifferent nationalities in taiwan than we previously thought and so in design thinking termsthat's the first diamond that was missing from representative democracy before the peopleunderstand when we discover a lot more than we used to do and use polis and other toolsto define our common values than when we're on the second diamond which is representativedemocracy it actually enhance the quality of policymaking these are not noise these are truesignals that is the main contribution of civic technology on collective intelligence ifyou're interested in learning more my latest tweet in the twitter time feed has a very easy tounderstand brief about this作り上げていくということなんでしょうかyes and also fun you you missed that funはいありがとうございますそしてですねあのここまでえっといろいろとマスクのプロジェクトをどうやって作り上げてきたかといったことなども伺ってきたんですけれどそうやってオープンイノベーションで出来上がったシステムを今度そのユーザーが使っていくときにその世代感のギャップというようなものもあるかと思うんですね例えばお年寄りは使いにくいとか使い方が分からないといったこともあると思うんですがそうしたギャップというのはどうやって解消していけばいいんでしょうかdon't ask them to come to the platform bring the platform to the peoplewhen i go to the rural places and attend their town halls they're just having a regular face-to-face town hallwith very good food and music but what we did is that we made sure that it's streamedlike sometimes 360 streamed to other places in other words we amplify the empowermentof the local people instead of asking them to adapt to technology that's what i mean bysociety five being one version ahead of industry four is the industry fourhave to work with society five to adapt to the societal needs and there's many technologies nowadays such as immersive video conferencing augmented and extended reality that requireslittle to no training for the elderly to engage more meaningfully and also the elderlythey are very wise they have a lot of wisdom so we don't ask them to conform for exampleto use qr code or to use nfce or to use these technological terms instead we askwhat are their pain points so for example when they queue up in the pharmacies they would likesomething that can help them to preorder and to pick up with no queuing so we did thatand another example is when we work with the national palace museum the elderly peoplethey don't want to use the qr code they insist on using the paper ticket but theydon't like queuing either but they would love the paper ticket because they can take it homeand put it in their diary share it on the dinner table with their family the piece ofpaper is very important and a screenshot doesn't work so what we did is thatthey can use their phone they do have a phone tocontact and togo in with no queuingbut we make sure the receipt is even more beautifully printed personalized than the paper ticketand on the receipt there will be a qr code if they take the qr code back home and theirgrandchildren scan the qr code the exhibit they have seen can get into theanimal crossingislands on the game that their grandchildren's play and that enable intergenerational solidarityso they're now much more willing to then work with thisdigital way of entering without queuingthe museum with the anticipation that they will get a piece of beautifully printed paperwith a qr code on it so it's not about being paperless this is about enabling intergenerational solidarityyes and we thank the makers ofanimal crossing really fun thingしから簡単に紹介をさせていただきましてその後でまたご意見を伺いたいと思います課題先進国日本とありますが日本は超高齢化社会市場法話による経済停滞資源エネルギーモンダイ地球環境問題など多くの課題を抱える課題先進国と言われていますしかしそれらの課題を解決する課題解決の町づくりができたら課題解決の先進国になることもできると考えていますかしわのファスマートシティはこれからこれらの課題を解決してこれからの都市のモデルとなれるように世界の未来像をつくる町を掲げてただいま町づくりを推進しています町づくりには3つのテーマがあります世界の未来像実現のために3つの町づくりのテーマとして1つ目は人にも災害にも優しく強い町をテーマとした環境強制2つ目は全ての世代が少やかに安心して暮らせる町をつくるをテーマとした健康徴住3つ目は日本の新しい活力となる成長分野を育む町をつくるをテーマとした新産業創造ですさらに最近ではこの3つに加えて近年DX技術を活用し分散型データプラットフォームを構築するなどデータ区道型の町づくりにも力を入れています今回のイノベーションフェスで開催されるトークイベントは今はご覧いただいています3つのテーマにデータ利活用を加えた4つのテーマに基づいてトークテーマが設定されていて世界の未来像の実現のヒントとしてオードリーさんにもお話を伺ってまいりましたかしわのは2019年から町全体を実証プロジェクトのプラットフォームとし新産業創造を加速させるイノベーションフィールドかしわのはが指導しましたこれは町を舞台にした実証プロジェクトの受入れを一括して行う実証プラットフォームで民間企業の新たな製品サービスの実証プロジェクトを1年を通して募集しています採用プロジェクトに対しては実証フィールドの提供者や行政共産企業など関係者とのコーディネーションや技術相談メンタリングなどの総合的な支援を実施しています今かしわのはがどんなことに取り組んでいるかということをご紹介したんですがご覧いただきましておどりさんどのようなことを感じられましたでしょうかWell I had a quick view of your website and I really like how in the management sectionyou mentioned the design the maintenance the promotion. these are very important management areas.I am a little bit puzzled why would the community salon of the residents and also the council ofコミュニティデベローマンス アータステーションアリアBose very important social sector citizen participationis labeled as other.So it seems like a classic use of vocabularylike the public sector is the city government,the private sector being the managementfor promotion and maintenanceand then the third sector or the voluntary sectoror in your website is called the otherand although it's sometimes used in a way that suggestsin a public-private partnershipthat people are just volunteersI think to ensure sustainable developmentactually the people who set the agendais the most important onebecause when you empower ordinary citizensto see anything and they can very easilyeither know how to fix itor know how to find a community endeavorto fix it without any private sectoror public sector involvementthat's how the mask map appearsof course the private and public sectorcan amplify and support this initiativeby the citizenbut nobody knows how the communityshould work better than the peoplewho day to day live there, the citizensand so I'm happyto see the community councilsand the community development salonbut maybe not calling it the othermaybe calling it usなるほど私たちという主体性を持って取り組んでいくプロジェクトということですよね今もアドバイスをいただいたんですけれどもこれからますますここに暮らすかしわの葉に暮らす人たちが積極的に参加していくために大切なことをどんなことを大切にしていったらいいでしょうかit's just fun like share and enjoyshare the enjoymentin Taiwan we have this simple appcalled like the tea serving appor 封茶and this app is very interestingbecause it shows youlike a map of the masksexcept that it shows insteadthe water refuel stationsand how many plastic bottlesyou have saved by checking into those stationsthere is such an app in Japan tooit's called mymitsuand the tea serving app in Taiwanimproves on mymitsu in only one waywhich is to make it again like Pokemon Goif you continue to check in 50 daysyou earn coinsyou can redeem those coinsfor the local specialty drinkslike real teas and so onfrom social enterprisesand they also like Pokemon Gothis time limited festive activitiesthat people can participate and so onand so if we have called itthe water refuel mapwith water quality crowdsourcing dashboardnobody will use itbut because we call itthe tea serving campaigneverybody participate like Pokemon Goand so making sure that the funcould be sharedis very importantif each participant feels so much funthat they're compelled to sharewith other peoplewith at least one other peoplemaybe twothen the R value will be above oneand the community participationwill have a very good basictransmission rate of ideas worth spreadingみなさんが私もやりたいと思うような楽しさというのが本当に参加することの秘訣になるということなんですねはい ありがとうございますそろそろお時間が迫って参りましたので最後に今回このトークのテーマがEmpower PeopleというテーマなんですがこのEmpower Peopleに込めたメッセージをみなさんにいただけますでしょうかDefinitelySo I'll again quote my favorite singerLeona Cohen who saidand I quoteThere is a cracka crack in everythingand that's how the light gets inif you have a smart citywith no flawswith no cracksthen there is no roomfor citizens to participatebut with a smart citythat has a lot of room for improvementthat's when you have a smart citybut you have a smarter citizenand smarter citizenis what we are looking forin a smart city workThank you for listeningLive long and prosperありがとうございますではですねオードリーさん引き続きなんですが視聴者の方から数多くの質問を頂戴しておりますお時間の都合上本当に限られた質問にお答えいただくことになるんですがこの後質問にお答えいただければと思いますYes I have maybe 10 minutes at mostではですね質問させていただきます仮にオードリー炭さんが日本のデジタルトップにだったとしたらまず何をされますか日本は何をすべきと今感じていらっしゃるでしょうかという質問をいただけましたユーザーイクスペーアリアンス目的多くヒューリアンスエンワウイ竹中ねお depoisにメ TOPプラスレッティヘッセウポンマー現在ボンベトギスデジタルトップにさけどフィス1ポイントインスありがとうございます逆当中1つだけおかえしたいと思います中学校の教室をしています小中学校ではメディアリテラシーを行わないということですが 現状子どもたちのSNSトラブルが絶えません台湾ではそのようなことはないのでしょうかという質問をいただきましたはい ありがとうございます たくさんの質問をちょうだいしているので もう一問だけよろしいでしょうか それでは質問です台州の新の意見に耳を傾けることと 愚かな意見に流されないことのバランスはどうされていますか人々の信頼関係はどのように構築されるのでしょうかという質問 こちらが最後の質問となります大変たくさんの質問をちょうだいしたんですが お時間となってしまいましたので 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