 about the sheriff's office you all want me here now for this that's that's what i think is ideal every leadership structure that i've ever been a part of or i've known her for a long time and she's always adapted to her situation it'll be fine hold on i was gonna finish saying something i was going somewhere with that okay no wrong one let go of me you freak hold on i need you i need you right now please just let me finish what i was okay keep talking hurry forward what we gotta talk to me we gotta talk to me right now but also don't get finished okay fine put them down okay what do you what do you want me to call me what do you want oh uh we need to yes actually right now with berik oh hey look at that berik's here yeah i i i i dragged his ass out of bed good job yeah we have a we have a six a.m academy he wants me to teach so he's he flipped the schedule around that's why he didn't go around till now holy s*** i swear if somebody were snap dunking right now i would not complain what up hey howdy how you doing berik uh well you know a lot of things going on but i'm fine um as much as people would like to about the sheriff's office do y'all want me here or no for this you get you can be here because i'm gonna tell you what my vision is for it okay but i am mainly interested in berik's uh opinion because i know i know you've been a cop for a long time cletus you know like 20 plus years some s*** no i'm interested in hearing uh what would be best for berik right now because i do i do want a sheriff's office to open it needs to be open in such a way that it does not interfere with the chain of command so the the big thing is finding out where the sheriff fits in the chain of command right uh my vision was that they would be equal to the assistant chief so that there would always be a de facto person at the top of the the chain of command that could be like okay this was this is what needs to happen right uh in this case it would be a berik or whoever else um you know in the future yeah how that would manifest because i know in the past there was a bit of um oh jenny's walking up right now she probably would know i mean it would essentially make the how do you know sudo sudo commissioner right exactly we're talking about uh max's vision for the sheriff's office and we're trying to find out what berik thinks about it how do we preserve the chain of command that's the big thing in my vision jenny because i want to you're good you're a good person to be here for this actually because uh my suggestion right now because the lspd is still regrowing and uh there's a lot of shit that needs to happen and adding another layer to the chain of coming in that could possibly complicate things would be detrimental so my idea was to for now make the sheriff equivalent in rank to the assistant chief so that there would always be the chief of police who could say hey uh you know no interdepartmental bullshit like this is what needs to happen blah blah blah we look at that the issue that may come up which is tribalism naturally because you're doing useful in departments and the issue that may manifest in that case is that you will end up in a kind of well why is it my department with the sheriff doesn't get to speak on the sheriff why does lspd get to dictate what we do we've got to find a way that somehow counters that in which you which they don't feel that they are because naturally the moment you break them up you you create a sense of tribalism that you just never going to be that so you need to find a way in which you can go hey oh like this is kind of how before that is kind of what the and this is horrible i'm not saying go back to five years but this is kind of how they try to combat this before was to butter commissioner who was in no department and be like i'm the final say and that way there was no sort of bias on even side yes they had their own leadership but then there was someone above who didn't wear any uniform wasn't part of it but they got final say on the pd and that was how they combated this is important chat with a very important conversation that's how they saw to fix it because again you immediately run into the issue of people going why is the why is the chief of police of lspd dictating what i am doing in the sheriff department would you be interested in being commissioner jenny hall yeah really i mean yeah okay oh good uh obviously that's no nothing set in stone yet but it seems like i need to start looking for a commissioner uh if you guys have suggestions let me know see it's hard right now fucking i get we can do it before the 20th on the options i don't get reelected i have heard your interest miss hall um i will start talking to cops and see if they're interested in the role i think it's the most logical solution about naked okay cool that's what we're working on right now where would i say the sheriff in the chain of command that if there was a commissioner please there's no reason for it not to be okay all right sounds good okay so well back to the original question let's say there's no commissioner then what um then i think you go with what you per what max is proposing until the day arises where there is a commissioner and then it would move everything up so would you have an additional rank within the sheriff's office no you just sorry one less so you wouldn't have an under sheriff and you'd have captains hey captain yeah we're doing one captain we're not doing this whole yeah captain first shift thing oh yeah i mean that that's i mean i'll just sit captains with an ass but yeah yeah yeah there's a there's a lot a lot to think about um i think time is short but that doesn't mean that i won't have enough time to do it berek if you have suggestions for the role obviously i value your opinion most if you can let ruby know as well um then i can contact them directly and ask them if they're interested we need someone who is firm hard and veiny mm-hmm um you're not narrowing it down too well i'm gonna be honest with you uh should be good should be good good good good good good good good good debate uh good to see all of you uh i'm gonna go get people i gotta go say hi to someone good shit all right good luck y'all love you hey so are we doing like uh two votes for mayor because i haven't voted yet do you get two votes so you vote for your deputy and you vote for your mayor no you got a single one yeah we wanted to here's the scary part i vote for you right and if i vote for you and there's a bunch of people that believe in you and max and then all of a sudden you have a situation where a bunch of people say okay well i'm gonna vote for the deputy because he's the one in limbo but then what ends up happening it's a full-on swing and you have stanley miller end up getting involved whenever he is involved with a whole bunch of other folks i don't know how does that some bitch and i have a felony that's the thing though like i feel like if if by the options that he does get elected as deputy mayor he's not gonna be that in position for long yeah i'm tired of just ignoring folks in fact you know what i'm gonna do what's up never mind don't worry about it so i was gonna turn into it was gonna be off topic don't don't worry about it let's kind of taking it a step back right outside of the liaison position and you know the relationship between the mayor's office and the pd miss hall you know i have all the damn respect in the world for you okay i mean i've talked plenty of times and i always feel like i can i can bounce questions off of you and kind of see your opinion on things and i think that you uh i mean you have your head on in the right place right regardless of whether or not you've been you haven't been a police officer in i think you said six years yeah five years yeah but yeah i would love to to take a chance to talk to you some more about like the build out and the development of things but here's something else just i'm just picking picking y'all's brains from people's opinions that i've heard i have my own opinion on this already but what do y'all feel or how do y'all feel about two separate chains of command between a sheriff's office and in a lspd i have my own opinion on this but i want to hear what y'all have to say i'll go first if no one wants to um in my opinion uh you need the numbers to back it up making a separate department you you do not need two separate chain of commands if you do not have numbers to back you up because at that point the moment you introduce some second chain of command you are splitting opinion and you are splitting how the departments can run so you have to be aware of that yes while a sheriff's office focus on a different thing to the pd fundamentally you all have the same thing what you guys have to avoid is falling back into the same mindset that was here five years ago which is uh as i said tribalism and less of a focus on policing because you're all too busy bickering amongst yourself about which department is the better one and that's what you want to avoid and that that also comes with if you are going to have two separate chain of commands while difference is good you fundamentally want them to have the same goal and mindset or you are never going to get anywhere because you are just going to end up in meetings where you go round and round in circles for hours and hours and in the end you go well i'm going to do this anyway and the other group goes well i'm going to do this anyway and then it goes out to the office and office is like hang on a minute why did they do that i just said i agree with them i agree with headache and then it just causes more um disgruntled and then you have people who are then and then you have the whole issue of people snaking each other to try and get a better one up in the other department and things like that i'm kind of trying to avoid that by being because i think i think i know what she's so much but unified in the way that if you are going to have two separate chain of commands they have the same goal in the same mindset okay i just don't think it's a good idea or pretty much a lot of the reasons that she just said yeah you know we've obviously she even more so than being testament to seeing it so many times before and just creates so much drama and so much just entropy just feuding similar to how it was like months ago where people are at each other's throats more than they're at the throats of the people outside the building and as much as we want to talk about this than the other it does not change the fact of numbers and the amount of people that we have dude there's a lot here that i'm trying to digest okay pretty much everything you said right there is exactly how i feel exactly what my concerns will be with the two chains because there's some folks that say we should have two chains and i'm like looking you hit on a point that i haven't heard anybody else talk about i always talk about like an ideal leadership structure being you want to have leadership that can look at the same problem and see the same mistakes however you want to have people that can look at those mistakes or not issue not mistakes but just issues in general find different solutions because they're able to attack it from a different angle and then you can come together and you can find a proper solution that's that's what i think is ideal every leadership structure that i've ever been a part of or anything that i've put together back over on the form it is the exact same way i mean even even with what we have now perik and ruby being chief and assistant chief find problems they both see the problems and just have different ways of approaching them but they they can come together and they can figure it out which is fantastic yeah i mean i think i think we're gonna have something good cooking i really do i mean i don't i don't know how how quickly we can get the ball rolling on this well it's gonna be soon six days by the sounds of it i mean if if the election starts on the one way or another if there's a commissioner we won't eat as much input from everybody else to open up a sheriff's office anyway just need the money wait do we need money that that thing's like ready to go right is it though i mean there's like two there's like it cost you twenty thousand dollars to put fucking soundproofing in two cells yeah i'm pretty sure michael i think your brother's a scammer and he's a he's a piece of shit when it comes to that well yeah i gotta have a word with him